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7:00 AM
I thought we talk about stuff we gotta live with :P
This topic is too serious for me so I tried to make a joke :(
 
I live with my mother in law of ex wife ;D
 
wot
she better be hot
 
we are roommates
 
@Raimonds I also got a ADHD misdiagnosis. Don't trust your doctor.
 
no she is like 50+
I guess there are people who are not just passionate about their job
 
7:02 AM
doctors suck. Nowadays they'll give you options and let you pick the one you want. They'll give you a percentage of how likely it is to be diagnosed with something.. like a meteorologist or something
 
Now I try my best to improve my programming skills at home.
 
"Wednesday, 60% chance of aspergers"
 
I think percentage is way better then a claim
like u got cancer, deal with it (not like I am sure but I think it is)
 
if they give a percentage, they're effectively not telling you anything
 
so he pretty much fuck your life from that point
 
7:02 AM
they can't be wrong
even if they say you have a 90% chance of having cancer.. if you didn't have it, they're still in the clear
 
they give 100% percentage now
 
which is f'ed up imho
 
I'd like people to give me directions if they are not sure
not to assume things
because it is very likely
 
yes, but the doctor is paid to be 100% sure one way or the other
 
yeah but they do still fail at that
 
7:04 AM
if he gives you anything else, he's not giving you a fair diagnosis
 
The human body is strange, and nobody really understands it. Doctors are like AI analysing the internet - they can only pick the diagnosys with the highest chance. There's very seldomly 100% things in medicine.
 
we are paid to make quality code as well... :D
 
@Raimonds at least the doctor owns up to the diagnosis
he's backing it with his reputation.. if he's wrong, he owns up to it
 
well it won't help you :D
 
telling you you have a 50% chance of cancer isn't helping you
 
7:05 AM
Like in most hospitals they deal with basic stuff
not rare cases
or cases they have even never heard of
 
one could argue that the stress that that would cause if you didn't have cancer is worth taking that doctor to trial for damages
 
Of course most people probably prefer the doctor to be sure, but I'd also prefer the doctor to be honest with me.
 
it's like throwing mvc application at classic ASP.NET developer
it will still look like classic asp.net
 
Good point Rai, I'm barely sure about my code being ok.
 
I'd prefer a doctor be 100% sure of a diagnosis and be wrong, than to receive some half-assed diagnosis which can't technically be wrong
 
7:06 AM
Like even I wound not tell I fucked up production to client
I could tell that to my manager
 
Doctors can be wrong. There are ways of getting around it, it's called a second opinion.
 
but customer should trust in me
In my case it is 3rd or even 4th :D
I went to best doctor in my country for a diagnose for a family member, he said I am not sure, see this X guy he might confirm what I think it is
 
good morning
 
well both doctors can be wrong
 
Morning
As a dev I like statistics ;D
 
7:09 AM
the chance of a doctor telling you that you have a 2% chance of having some rare genetic disorder that very few people have is never going to happen regardless
so rare diseases are never going to be properly diagnosed
especially if they're mistaken for other diseases
 
My wife has health issue that only 1 in a 1 000 000 have
took 2 years to diagnose
 
also you forget that the doctor is throwing percentages out of a hat
 
initial diagnose - you are pregnant
 
that's harsh
 
she was 16 at that time, and well after 3 years no baby came out....
 
7:11 AM
I'd have thought that was a fairly straightforward diagnosis
 
So yeah passionate people who love their jobs and enjoy daily work are the ones you want to go for
 
how do you assume someone is pregnant when they're not given blood samples and all of that?
 
throws up every now and than, doesn't have flow, suddenly wants to eat something, than don't finish...
how do you suggest someone to test herself?
 
In my small country only few doctors know of existence of that disease she had, one even wrote book about it. Since he only read about it in books. It could be good episode of doctor house.
Nah she was just throwing up and feeling sick all the time
and hormones were fucked up
so no flow as well
100% pregnant
 
@ntohl Yeah, but you draw blood in that case.. you don't just say.. "CLEARLY she's pregnant.."
there are also tests for that sort of thing
 
7:14 AM
urinate tests
 
I think level of medicine might be different :D
I am not sure about details
 
that's the first thing I'd assume too
but that's not a diagnosis, that's a hypothesis
 
but I think tests on blood were giving false positives
 
if hormones were fluffed up, than it could also have a false positive
 
if you wanna see bad doctors go to nhs site and do self diagnose :D
 
7:16 AM
:D
 
I am pretty sure you will come up with something nasty
like that movie
"Idiocracy" I believe
where doctors had tablets with options to choose from to diagnose patients
 
I get it, doctors are just doing their thing best way they know how
Most people just demand a diagnosis or a name to fit every problem they have
so I tend to take their diagnoses with a grain of salt
same for psychologists
everything has to fit in a neat wrapped little package with a bow, but not everything is so clearcut
 
@Neil I used to think that way, but sadly when I needed their help I found out some of them are quite ignorant and not giving a shit type of people.
 
@Raimonds I think if doctors were the types of people who gave a shit, they'd become doctors and promptly quit after a couple years
I think it requires a certain coldness, honestly
 
Rob
@Raimonds That's not really acceptable language mate.
 
7:23 AM
at first four doctors and psychologists told me, that I am no autist. But I knew it by myself. In the end I got the diagnosis.
I think it is hard to diagnose if you have a higher intelligence because you can compensate a lot of things.
And it is even more difficult to diagnose it in woman
 
@Raimonds I see boobies and buttocks
 
higher intelligence generally means you recognize particular traits that you have
maybe you can't really help them, but you know they exist
 
@Neil A problem is to understand the feelings of others. It is easier with higher intelligence.
 
Knowing yourself is the beginning of all wisdom
 
which really when you think about it, is just our brains knowing itself
the brain is the only organ in the human body which named itself
 
7:33 AM
@ntohl Yes. :D when I was 20 I went to Japan into a monastery for meditating. :)
 
@kame no. I time travelled to Aristotle. I heard it first hand
 
7:47 AM
@Rob I have no better words for drug addicts, alcoholics, people who punch doctors in face and so on.
 
Rob
I'm sure you could find a word that's not a slur if you tried.
 
i usually call them "people"
 
can anyone help me with this error
Unhandled exception occurred! Provide following error code:58fb9324-fcc2-44bc-880c-dfe6eda796d2
 
People. People are the worst.
@ratna Which service? That looks awfully like our "Unit of work id"s.
Doesnt look like a Windows error code
 
ok .
 
7:59 AM
it isnt an htmls code either
Ok is not an acceptable answer, ich asked "Which service".
 
after migration production site to new site I got this error in new site
there is search function .
 
Morning.
 
that is throwing error
 
Morning Roel o/
 
morn
 
8:01 AM
@ratna Who are you supposed to provide the error code to?
Also what site, and also can we see a screenshot?
 
I'm sorry @Squirrelkiller I can't show you
pls don't mind i can't show . it's strict rule
 
do you have type information about the exception?
like... StackOverflowException, NullReferenceException, IOException, Exception, ArgumentException, FormatException, etc?
 
@Wietlol 58fb9324-fcc2-44bc-880c-dfe6eda796d2Exception
It's a very specific exception
 
(X) Doubt
I dont think a C# class name can start with a number
(or can you use @ there?)
no, no numbers nor hyphens
 
Well it wasn't actually meant to be taken seriously, you know
 
8:13 AM
do you see my face avatar?
does it look like I dont take things seriously?
on a side note, fancier languages do support such names
 
@ratna You'll have to contact the developers of that site, not us.
 
for example Kotlin or F#
and I kinda love it
 
We can't really help with inernal errors.
 
especially for unit tests
 
Rob
@Wietlol You can if you're a wizard
void Main()
{
	throw GetNamedException("58fb9324-fcc2-44bc-880c-dfe6eda796d2");
}

static Exception GetNamedException(string name)
{
	name = new String(name.Take(1023).ToArray());
	AssemblyName assemblyName = new AssemblyName("MyDynamicAssembly");
	AssemblyBuilder assemblyBuilder	= AppDomain.CurrentDomain.DefineDynamicAssembly(assemblyName, AssemblyBuilderAccess.Run);
	ModuleBuilder moduleBuilder	= assemblyBuilder.DefineDynamicModule("MyDynamicModule");
	TypeBuilder typeBuilder	= moduleBuilder.DefineType(name, TypeAttributes.Public,	typeof(Exception));
 
8:22 AM
You're a wizard, 'Arry!
 
you wot?!
this room is out of control
 
May 5 '16 at 15:17, by BoltClock
THIS ROOM IS OUT OF CONTROL
 
Cap'n O7
 
How to write to the output window while running test cases
?
 
8:32 AM
what happens if you use Console.WriteLine() ?
my IDE then tells me to stop being an idiot and auto-fixes it to whatever it needs to be
 
Console.WriteLine should work provided that its a console program you are writing
 
pros: I dont have to know what it needs to be
cons: I dont know what it needs to be
 
@Wietlol Nothing is shown :/
 
        private readonly ITestOutputHelper _testOutputHelper;

        public MyTest(ITestOutputHelper testOutputHelper)
        {
            _testOutputHelper = testOutputHelper;
        }

        [Fact]
        public void Test1()
        {
            _testOutputHelper.WriteLine("");
@kame but your IDE doesnt yell at you?
what a primitive IDE
 
No
THis is the output
[18.06.2019 10:27:57 Informational] ------ Run test started ------
[18.06.2019 10:27:58 Informational] ========== Run test finished: 1 run (0:00:01,2189977) ==========
[18.06.2019 10:32:47 Informational] ------ Discover test started ------
[18.06.2019 10:32:48 Informational] NUnit Adapter 3.13.0.0: Test discovery starting
[18.06.2019 10:32:49 Informational] NUnit Adapter 3.13.0.0: Test discovery complete
[18.06.2019 10:32:49 Informational] ========== Discover test finished: 4 found (0:00:01,7600027) ==========
 
8:34 AM
Why extra output in a unit test at all?
 
maybe there is a Console window too?
 
for XUnit, the above snipper works
 
@Squirrelkiller When no executable is available I only can use code in test methods. But when programming I need some extra information.
 
a white box debugger, you must become
 
@Wietlol what is a ITestOutputHelper?
 
8:37 AM
it is an XUnit thing
 
I see
Ohh, there are two different Outputs. :D Output window of VS and Output of the Test methods
 
oh, the luxury of Rider, where everything just works as you woud expect
 
Rob
8:54 AM
Never got rider to work for me. Granted, we have a massive codebase that only barely works as is
 
did you try to install it manually?
this often happens if people ignore the Jetbrains Toolbox
installing their IDEs manually is just sad
the toolbox can install any IDE of them flawlessly, you can update them there, install different versions and manage them, etc
and, the installations of the toolbox are more complete than manual installations (which are error prone)
i think that would solve even nyconing's issue
 
Hey gitlab guys, is it possible to reuse runner from previous stages, so I don't have to pull image again?
 
No, the point of dfferent stages is that you can basically use 5 runners and dont have to care.
@kame You need some postman, boi
 
Rob
9:11 AM
@Wietlol Not sure, to be honest. It was a while ago now
 
I have been using it since beta
was a bit shakey back then
now it is pretty stable, but still lacking ux of IJ
 
@Squirrelkiller Why?
 
Because with postman you can just fire an actual request against you api, so you debug it without starting a client
 
!!Did you feed the squirrels yet ?
 
9:21 AM
@Hans1984 Of course not
 
lmao
 
@Squirrelkiller Postman? You need some openapi love, boy.
 
@Squirrelkiller But I see it as extra step to pull same exact image again, well I guess there is some sort of caching maybe so just maybe it is reusing same image and not pulling it again, by reusing I mean it just starts new instance of pulled image
About postman - good if you will wan't to repeat your tests but I tend to use F12 console
 
mr5
9:35 AM
Guys
 
Yes
 
mr5
I need an single word for "not yet added"
I'm thinking of "neglected" but I think it doesn't fit.
 
Implementing
Upcoming
should it be noun?
 
mr5
Context is, "The postal code you provided cannot be recognized. Please make sure it's within country only. However, we may have <insert word here> it yet..."
 
I would avoid last part
It tells you didn't do something yet
 
mr5
9:37 AM
Or better, suggest a new phrasing. My engrish not veri gud.
 
main iznt aither
 
mr5
Well, we are not really sure.
because the data for postal codes is scarce
Even wikipedia is incomplete
 
Just add manual input button?
Here in UK we use Royal mail database under the hood
 
mr5
Yes. There is already a manual input
 
if query gives you 0 results, it means post won't find you either
 
9:39 AM
eh
you say that
 
@mr5 "The postal code you provided cannot be recognized. Please make sure it's within country only. However, we may not have added it yet..."
 
Royal Mail are very good at delivering mail with a half wrong address
 
@mr5 are you checking for it's validity against something?
 
I think they are legally required to keep trying to find the right place for mail @Raimonds
 
Maybe delivery guys are lazy :D
Legally you can't go faster then what speed limits are
I mean on roads
I had a case where my mail delivery just wen't by me in a car after few minutes i received sms "you were not home"
 
9:41 AM
Argh
 
mr5
@Raimonds yep. I gather some data on the internet.
 
any1 wana do squats?
 
mr5
My PM provided one: "The postal code you entered cannot be validated at the moment. You can still proceed with your order, but we may not be able to process your order due to this."
@Neil do you think the last part is unnecessary?
 
My bodybuilding mate challenged me to do 100 pushups till august
If I do that he will make attempt to learn my native language
I said it's javascript ;D
 
@mr5 Knowing typical users, no. It isn't unnecessary
otherwise you get calls of "It exists! It EXISTS!"
 
9:42 AM
@mr5 that sounds very scary for a customer
 
@Raimonds in a case like that where i'd seen it i'd be straight on the phone to the delivery depot like "WTF are you playing at"
To be honest, i had a bad time trying to get a signed package recently
got some files sent from my old work and they tried to deliver on a saturday, but left no card to indicate that they had tried
 
Unpopular opinion - CV of good employees get's thinner with years ?
 
why would it get thinner?
 
I should've started with juniors put way too much on their CV
 
So long as you are not changing permanent jobs every 3 months, you'll be fine
i have shit loads on my CV lmao
 
9:44 AM
"I've seen word.exe"
- put's "word expert"
 
@Raimonds I don't think you can justify two pages without at least having two jobs
 
and three unless you've had 5 jobs and you're hellagood
 
I stick to jobs I pick
Only had two so far
 
I worked with created a service for Word Interop, So I think I qualify for "Word expert"
 
9:45 AM
Well IT related
I was system administrator as well
I would not qualify as one tho
 
@CaptainSquirrel they don't call people like you experts, they call them word gods
 
PC housekeeper and network router rebooter
 
I mean
I did accidentally take down our production server with that same service so
I have a habit of creating malware by accident
 
Like the more I learn the more demanding it gets for keywords I have already to exist on my CV
 
9:46 AM
meh, who hasn't taken down a couple production servers by accident back in the day?
 
I mean this production server was quite beefy as well
 
I did not take down a single one :D
 
He's so proud :)
 
dual top of the line xeon's, 256gig of ram
I am!!!
There was an issue with the service that i wrote
It would fail right at the very end after everything was done & saved, so it was "technically" working
it just didn't close the word.exe process when it errored
so it ended up eating more and more ram until the OS was like
HELP
I somehow managed to make a tel: link open like 50 windows when you clicked on it with IE
 
aren't there PRTG monitors? :D
 
9:49 AM
lol
 
@Raimonds not as badass as Klingon... 😃 todayifoundout.com/index.php/2012/08/…
 
GOsh that title
that guy is not a good parent
like even if he succeeds his son won't be able to talk to anyone of his age
meaning he will have development issues
You take these jokes different when you have kids haha -_-
 
Bad but not quite as bad as the vegan parents who tried feeding their son only vegetables as an infant
 
(yes to the vegan thing) Not really to the klingon thing
 
Yeah I know that
kidney issues
 
mr5
9:51 AM
@Neil haha yeah, what I was thinking.
 
and other shit due to lack of "stuff that meat has"
 
his mother still spoke to him in english
PLUS
Its literally no different to a kid growing up and speaking lets say
Spanish and english
 
I think teaching Klingon is not bad if you are like 7 maybe
But I would go latin instead
 
@Raimonds read the article. He was good parent, and stopped when it was inconvenient for the kid
 
mr5
@Raimonds idk. Do you think we need a red exclamation point icon after this message is displayed?
 
9:52 AM
Teach him Dothraki
 
imagine they ask you for foreign languages you speak in an interview
 
I would like to speak dothraki pls
 
When did it became inconvenient tho? :D
 
and you say klingon
 
@Raimonds read the article, it tells you :D
 
9:53 AM
@mr5 red is bad
@mr5 yellow maybe
red usually means "ok bro, it all ends now"
where yellow or orange would be "I am not so sure about this, have a try"
but we warned you
 
@mr5 why not just have the address choice be a dropdown
If your address isn't on the list, enter it manually
no need to give a message like that, which will only result in support issues
 
there was that episode of The Office where Dwight teaches Erin Dothraki as a language (her thinking it was a real language)
 
mr5
@CaptainSquirrel we've provided a map for that. the entry has an icon that if tapped, it will navigate to map page and the users are free to choose from. they could also manually edit each address components i.e (house#, street, postal, city)
 
Dothraki is more or less real
 
9:55 AM
It follows rules of real language
Movies do commit to it
 
mr5
@Raimonds jk. we have an exclamation though but it's color green with green border and white bg
 
Do web designers earn more than developers who implement it?
 
mr5
one more thing, should the house numbers be always in capital letters?
 
The elven language in lord of the rings was a real language as well
 
...
House Numbers
 
9:56 AM
My company did pay like 800k - 1kk for just designs
 
In Caps
 
mr5
@CaptainSquirrel you sure?
I mean, All Caps, not Pascal Case
 
@mr5 think about what you are asking
Do you mean the entire address?
like 123 TESTING STREET
 
mr5
@CaptainSquirrel no. The House Number only
 
...but its a number
 
9:57 AM
I think that is legit address :D
 
you can't make a number upper case
 
²³
 
@Raimonds I wonder how many packages get sent from companies creating their first online shopping website to that address
 
@Hans1984 QUIET YOU
 
mr5
@CaptainSquirrel there are house numbers with letters
 
9:58 AM
:p
 
Fun fact: Japanese don't name their streets
 
I founds testing road on google
 
@mr5 not that i don't believe you, but can you show me an example of that?
lmao
I'm struggling to understand what you mean
 
Emm there was a funny case with that
We used to use specific testing postcode that 3rd party supplier provided
 
@Neil that's true
 

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