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5:04 PM
eesh that was 2 years ago and they're still complaining about MS' refusal
 
I was trying to buy something and I got this message lol
This site is live
 
@KalaJ chat.response.amusement
 
Well, you know, not the worst error I've ever seen.
 
@Sidney, please share :P
 
Hoooray! My code broke in a different way!
 
5:06 PM
that rhymes
 
Possibly my favorite of all time. It's just so encompassing.
Sep 25 '15 at 13:11, by Squiggle
user image
 
:D
It seriously couldn't even, though
 
lol
 
Do you remember what you were trying to do when you got that error? Did you get that error, or did you find it somewhere?
 
me?
 
5:10 PM
@Squiggle originally posted that error message.
 
The one I shared I got it because it said I had an account already and I forgot my password, so that's the message it gave me
Ohh haha
no idea how Squiggle got that
 
5:29 PM
!!are you alive
 
user47589
Caprica Six is giving us the silent treatment.
 
Appaz not
 
She's not even in the room.
 
She is just below the set of users in the summary.
 
user47589
yeah she's in here
 
5:33 PM
Unless the avatar changed, I'm not seeing her. Huh.
 
user47589
expand the user list
 
user47589
 
mine says "other rooms you're in" instead of "not the room you are looking for?"
 
Huh... I just don't see her. Weird.
 
user47589
@CuddleBunny if you're in only one room, it shows "not the room you're looking for", otherwise you get the message you get
 
5:36 PM
!!live
 
user47589
this is the only room on SO i'm in
 
yeah she's super dead
ugh, five tasks currently unfinished under my name
I need a manager
 
@KendallFrey stop hating yourself
 
no really
a scrummaster or manager
 
blargh.
 
5:40 PM
whose job it is to make sure I can get work done
 
how much time do typical developers spend working up quotes/LOEs for their sales people?
 
30 seconds
 
I feel like I just spent 2 whole days doing it.
 
really depend on what kind of developer you are
there are positions like data analyst who spend 8 hrs per day doing it
although i strongly believe 6 of that 8 hrs was spent on online gaming
 
I guess it wouldn't be so bad if there was any chance these quotes were valid.
"How much is it going to cost to implement a backend connector to this new system our customer hasn't bought yet and knows nothing about?"
"...... 10 weeks?"
"That seems high. Justify your quote."
 
5:47 PM
most of my job is telling people it can't be done with the time and resources that you're giving me
so nothing ever gets done
but I still get paid so it's all good
 
Bmo
@MichaelEdenfield are you being challenged by someone who knows nothing about software and the development process?
Because I love it when that happens.
 
@Bmo my favorite statement from the business: "this should be easy to do"
 
I've been trying to explain to this person for 8 years that there is literally no code change I get into production in under 4 hours.
 
Bmo
"Just add a button"
 
5:53 PM
before I got here, the typical deployment process was to have a dev take a laptop to the customer's site and do builds for a week until everything worked.
 
@MichaelEdenfield they are confusing you with someone who makes every change in production
ask them if they have ever heard of an "application lifecycle"
 
Bmo
There's a different way?
I usually sing, to no tune in particular, "Testing in production" while doing so.
 
do you have a pink sombrero?
 
user47589
lol
 
I have one
 
user47589
5:59 PM
you're my new favorite pink-sombrero-wearing person
 
it gives me superpowers
I've never deployed anything broken to production while wearing it
@Amy rabbit*
 
user47589
reminds me of that Donnie Darko quote, "why are you wearing that stupid rabbit suit"
 
i have a rainbow sombrero from Epcot
 
@StevenLiekens and I have a rock that protects me from tigers
@MichaelEdenfield IRTA as 'Egypt'
and was like...is that something they do there? How does the Islamic theocracy feel about that?
 
this text input thing is killing me.
 
6:04 PM
use an escape sequence
 
user47589
dodge.
 
@Amy wow such evade
 
I'm watching a pluralsight course on leadership
I realized I need a cape to match my sombrero
 
you do
 
user47589
and some flamboyant pants
 
Bmo
I'm surprised I never heard of the pink sombrero. I need one.
 
A Blackadder quote for all occasions
 
6:21 PM
@MichaelEdenfield - re: loe. Shouldn't you already know how long it takes to do the same thing your shop has already done?
 
sure, if we've already done it.
 
Yeah, so.. trick question really.
 
user47589
gotta avoid those gotcha questions
 
In that case you need to charge for creation as well. Creating is a pain in the ass, so make sure it is expensive to dissuade people from asking you to create all the time instead of using something you already have access to.
Take something similar, add a 0 to every aspect of it, and then negotiate down to something they are comfortable with when they balk at the quote.
 
@MichaelEdenfield in my world it'd be something like "Well we need Ops to do two things, and for each thing we want them to do they seem to take approximately five weeks to do a thirty second job, so that's ten weeks"
"QED"
 
6:31 PM
@Failsafe good. No game losses given out the whole tournament :D
 
@Codeman nice
Were you judging or playing?
 
@TravisJ everything we write is custom line-of-business software; pretty much 100% of what we're asked to do doesn't exist yet and has never been done (by us, at least), or they wouldn't be asking us to do it
 
@MichaelEdenfield - I believe yelp would call that $$$$
 
how do get $$$$
pls
 
judging
I should have gotten credit, lol
but my box was pretty good. Arlinn Kord, foil Thing in the Ice, foil Declaration in Stone.
 
6:42 PM
If you judge does it show up on your player card?
also nice
last box i got was foil slivers
@Codeman Although I havent played since Rise of the Eldrazi came out
or whatever the one was with the non-color cards
back in 2011
 
wat
 
yea it was eldrazi
it's been a looooooong time since i played
i want to play at Origins next year so i might get back into it
 
not sure
eternal masters is looking pretty sweet
reprinting lots of good stuff
 
is that the next card pack?
 
Wretched whackamole, I want to write real code
 
Bmo
6:56 PM
Man, javascript is out of control. Like I just want to focus on learning one thing. Then they're like "Oh here is this other .js that you have to have" then I look at that. Then it's needs some .js to work.
it*
 
May 5 at 15:17, by BoltClock
THIS ROOM IS OUT OF CONTROL
 
@KendallFrey Sorry no vulgarity pls remove
 
@michael If you care what enum values are - you should specify them
 
@Bmo That's how everyone programming language is. Unless you want to write all source code, and all source code it depends on, in one file. Which is possible but would be pretty insane.
 
7:06 PM
@Brandin JS takes it to an extreme that's pretty much unheard of in most other environments, though
ie: left-pad :p
 
Bmo
Well, I think there is a happy medium out there. JS is particularly bad.
But it's probably a function of what javascript was, and what it has become.
I'm doing some nodejs tutorials and I'm not using it to serve content, but it's full to the brim with calls to express.
And they're just doing very, very simple gets
 
Isn't ecma pretty good though?
er ECMA2016
I heard it was decent
and the JS room seems to like it quite a bit
 
es2016 is pretty good step forward
 
wow
it's like i can summon you by saying ECMA2016
 
I like js for front end
 
7:10 PM
or I was already in the room
 
but js for server side is a nightmare
 
shh let me believe
isnt ExpressJS server side? I thought that was supposed to be decent as well
 
@TravisJ node isn't bad.
express is okay. little bit awkward in bits
 
@rlemon - I wouldn't use it to develop a server side application. There are too many features that it lacks when compared to other languages with larger histories of supporting server side technologies.
 
lol. there is nothing wrong with node on the server. it is stable, there is a large community, and it is fast for what it is meant to do
 
7:12 PM
MEAN
 
I would avoid serving static content (put node behind nginx)
 
Bmo
It's working great for what I'm using it for.
But I did one of those fire, feel your way through the dark, type of builds and I was trying to get a grip on the fundamentals.
 
@rlemon - Nothing wrong? I wouldn't go that far, there is something wrong with every language in one way or another. Otherwise they would be perfect, and require no more updates evarr - which clearly isn't the case.
 
How is there anything wrong with node
 
so then you don't use any languages to develop anything because all computer science is inherently crap
3
cool
 
Bmo
7:18 PM
Now now.
 
I would pick NodeJS over C# for most development tasks anytime.
There is nothing wrong with using NodeJS at all.
 
@rlemon - Don't let the pursuit of perfection prevent you from making progress ;)
 
The only thing better than Node is JicamaJS
 
Bmo
If SignalR had raw tcp, I wouldn't have mentioned node.
But here we are.
 
With TypeScript paired with NodeJS, and the upcoming non-nullables, that combination is far superior to C# (for web development, that is). The only thing that you would miss is something like Entity Framework.
 
7:20 PM
EF is so 2013
 
Bmo
I made a motivational poster for my cube that says "Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough."
 
EF does a good job in translating relationships and intentions to SQL through the powerful expressions, something Node severely lacks at this point.
linq2db would be fine too, whatever.
 
user47589
does "framework" have an antonym? if it does, that's what I want to use
 
user47589
Entity Unframework
 
That'd be something
 
7:21 PM
Entity Unformedblob
I Have No ORM and I Must Save
 
user47589
nice
 
I have an allergic reaction to anything that has "framework" in the name. Puke.
 
so
.NET?
.NET is pretty bad imo
 
The air we breath and type
 
@Amy the opposite of Framework is Prototype.js
 
7:23 PM
You can't like, type air, man
Invalid cast exception dude
 
Oh shit. .NET ... don't say the unspeakable word
 
invalid type exception
 
who really wants to eat .NET sounds fishy
 
user47589
why did MS call the framework ".Net"?
 
user47589
they could have made up any brand name
 
7:25 PM
40
Q: Why was .NET called .NET?

compieI always wondered why Microsoft chose such a strange, search-engine-unfriendly name for such a great platform. Couldn't they have come up with something better? Apparently the codename was NGWS: Microsoft started development on the .NET Framework in the late 1990s originally under the na...

 
@rlemon - Did you clear the star on my response to you? :)
 
user47589
i found that using google but it doesn't answer my question (i'm kidding)
 
user47589
show me the solution pls
 
please help
 
claps
 
7:27 PM
need 10key text box give me teh codez
 
show me the solution pls
 
user47589
no whammy big money big money no whammy no whammy STOP
 
no caprica?
 
user47589
she's dead.
 
@Failsafe I only have precipitate
 
user47589
7:29 PM
got eaten by quite the grue.
 
Bmo
@Amy Thy Dungeonman reference?
 
The Dread Gazebo
 
Does anyone know the best way to access any file that I add to a visual studio project?
 
.....
?
 
There doesnt seem to be a simple, common way to do this
 
7:31 PM
click on it?
 
What do you mean by "any file"?
 
user47589
access it HOW?
 
user47589
double click it
 
Like If I just added a Text file to my project
Access it within code
access the path of the file within code
 
user47589
embed it as a resource
 
user47589
7:32 PM
go to the Properties panel for that file, change its build action
 
I saw that
 
user47589
then look online for accessing embedded resources
 
There is also slightly more sophisticated resource support in C# projects
You can set it up so that resources are static members of [some class whose naming convention I can't remember]
I don't think content type "Embedded Resource" does that automagically
 
@TomW yeah there is a "Resources" part of a project where if you enable it you can put files in a "Resources" folder accessible via Properties.Resources....
But I dont want to have to use the Resources
 
7:37 PM
that gives you Properties.Resources.stuff
 
all the different ways to include "resources" in C# projects is highly confusing.
 
then there's WPF resources
 
@Michael ok, well there is a solution which takes away the useful features, which has already been explained
 
Bmo
well there is a solution which takes away the useful features Hey, that sounds like the way corporate deploys software to operations!
 
user47589
copy the text file into a string literal in your c# code
 
user47589
7:43 PM
hey @TravisJ
 
@Amy - Yeah?
 
user47589
nothin'
 
HAHAHAHAHA REKT
 
@Amy ;)
 
@Sippy
 
7:48 PM
hey tam
 
user47589
hey @Sippy
 
hey @Amy
 
user47589
whats up
 
A Pixar movie
A song by Shania Twain
14% of a soft drink
 
@Sippy
 
user47589
7:58 PM
someone just called me three times and doesn't believe me when i tell them they called the wrong number
 
user47589
what do
 
mess with their head
 
Hahaha
 

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