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6:01 PM
It worries me a bit. Not a lot. But a bit.
 
yeh me too ... i should care about this a lot more than I do day to day
 
In terms of a 'what can I do today?' approach I'd like to see advice like 'open the profiler every time you open a solution, press x and y, and if you see z, worry'
 
but it feels like i can just assume the GC will handle it
 
o/
 
I've mostly worked on web stacks
so the bulk of programming i've seen is working on browser based apps
the browser stays running all day for most
and on the server the app is running all day in IIS
but I never had a colleague come up to me and say stuff like "this IIS app needs to manage its ram better"
its usually "we ran out of ram again, lets get the system guys to up the VM resource allocation"
or spin up a another farmed instance
like the fact that the server is a ram hog is not important
How cool is this ...
 
6:46 PM
the fuck is that
@Wardy I guess ram is cheaper than hours/days/weeks of developer time
particularly fixing the bugs introduced by a faulty microoptimisation
 
@KendallFrey good evening :) here?
 
blerg
 
@KendallFrey wtf is blerg? o.O
 
the sound you make when things go through your mouth the wrong direction
 
why im not a proper english speaker:(:(
oh
 
6:59 PM
@Slashy/@Wardy please one or both of you get different avatars. I struggle to tell you apart
 
@TomW allright allright allright.
@TomW better? :P
what... i've updated it..
 
it takes a while to propagate
it shows up on your profile
not in the chat window
 
okay..
 
but thanks
hey Liekens, you too
 
@KendallFrey so just somthing i forgot to ask,how do i supposed to send the rest of the bits in the next frames?
if it's just somthing like this
for (int y = region.Top, yOffset = y * w; y < region.Bottom; y++, yOffset += w)
                        {
                            for (int x = region.Left, xOffset = x * 4, i = yOffset + xOffset; x < region.Right; x++, i += 4)
                            {
                                byte red = (byte)(n[i] ^ p[i] );
                                byte green = (byte)(n[i + 1] ^ p[i + 1] );
                                byte blue = (byte)(n[i + 2] ^ p[i + 2] );
                                int rgb = (red & 0xC0) >> 6 | (green & 0xC0) >> 4 | (blue & 0xC0) >> 2;
 
7:05 PM
Well, it wasn't me that suggested it, so I don't really know how or why you would do that
 
i shall just do red value minus shifted red-and to send this in the next loop?
yeah i know but if you could help in the concept
i just didnt got 100% what roel said
 
I suppose you'd send the first two bits, than the next two, and so on
combining them with the previous values on the other side
 
@TomW lol soz
@TomW its the ceiling in a restaraunt
@TomW that would make sense, why pay a developer for a month when you can buy a stick of ram for $20
 
@TomW I really need to actually fill in my profile on here at some point lol
 
7:12 PM
@Wardy as a gag someone should actually photograph the ceiling of a restaurant and set that as their av
 
lol why?
 
> as a gag
Find one that looks roughly like a stackoverflow default av, I mean
 
ok ... random
 
er
you literally just made that reference two minutes ago
it was your idea
OH!
I assumed you were responding to
> @Slashy/@Wardy please one or both of you get different avatars. I struggle to tell you apart
the random tiling looks a bit like something you might put on a ceiling, I assumed was what you meant
 
@KendallFrey damn..
 
7:20 PM
@TomW lol the ceiling thing was a funky 3d video i found
not sure how they did that
then that somehow got linked to the discussion about avatars
then i got confused
that explains it though lol
 
I just derped
 
lol ... if this was the game dev room someone would try to convince me I was wrong about some point there
jeez that room is full ADHD kids
 
sounds like the Lounge to me
 
lol
 
7:42 PM
Haha. There's a podcast linked to by that article about memory
they quote Thomas Watson "There is a world market for maybe five computers"
paraphrasing
How many cloud providers are there?
About five?
 
user47589
more than that
 
Azure, AWS, ...
Google?
 
user47589
those are just the US. you said world market
 
user47589
i'm certain japan, china and russia have their own cloud services
 
Anyway, the point was that Thomas Watson's conception of what a computer is and how it's used is a lot closer to the concept of the cloud than it is to personal computers
 
user47589
7:50 PM
sure
 
And he was probably talking about the specific device they were marketing anyway, so
 
user47589
i wonder if the NSA facilities counts as cloud storage. they've got the biggest data center in the world, i've heard
 
I think I've heard that too, and I wouldn't be surprised that they'd build it, but I find it hard to imagine that even with everything they could gather, they could gather as much as the customer base of AWS
 
user47589
good point
 
why is HttpWebResponse Error on a 404? that is the code I was looking for - Caught the 'error' but that is not really an error is it?
 
user47589
7:56 PM
404 is not found
 
ya but it's just a code
Why would HttpWebResponse hard break on it
 
user47589
that's right, 404 is just a numeric code
 
user47589
uh, i dont know, do you have an exception?
 
user47589
what do you mean by "hard break"
 
guess if you Really expecting data, but should defensive code the block for that
 
7:57 PM
@KendallFrey getting the next 2 bits is x&0x30?
 
Send a Request - Requests comes back 404 the Code Breaks, to show me the Exception
Why is 404 an exception
 
user47589
i have no idea what you're trying to ask.
 
user47589
but i get the impression the 404 isn't causing the exception, but the other way around.
 
n unhandled exception of type 'System.Net.WebException' occurred in System.dll

Additional information: The remote server returned an error: (404) Not Found.
 
Ha. Ward Cunningham describing the boot sequence for a PDP-12
or possibly his PDP-12
 
7:59 PM
why? if the error comes back 404 that is a valid response
 
turn a key to connect the power supply, then enter the boot loader using a bank of toggle switches, one word at a time
total 2 words
 
8:17 PM
I miss writing delegates without knowing what they are
Everything seemed like magic
 
/
o/
 
8:35 PM
@Slashy yep
 
@KendallFrey hi
 
user47589
everything is magic
 
user47589
if you see a world without magic, i recommend seeing a doctor or smoking illegal substances.
 
8:50 PM
I stopped believing in magic once I saw humans coding for the first time ten years ago
These magical things that had a special syntax were reminiscent of something magical about the past until I realised it's delusion
 
@SteveG hello mine turtle
 
mine turtle?
 
!!youtube hello mine turtle
 
!!youtube mine turtle
 
user47589
tortuga was a mine turtle.
 
wow i hate that song
first time hearing it, and i want it to die
 
have you even watched asdfmovie?
 
user47589
has anyone here run fiber optic cabling? i'm considering running it out to our shop, about 400-450 ft away from our house.
 
no
 
8:57 PM
wtf is wrong with you
 
if it's anything like that video, i'm glad
lol
 
not until you promise it'll be better than mine turtle
 
it's not a song
 
user47589
its terrible
 
user47589
8:59 PM
ugh, i need eye bleach now
 
you're terrible
 
user47589
only in chat rooms
 
yeah thats like
those
that
adult swim show
what the hell is it called
random skits, cartoons, pretty vulgar
robot chicken
 
user47589
robot chicken has some great moments.
 
yeah, lol
 
9:03 PM
do i supposed to leave the (6/4/2)?@KendallFrey
  int rgb2 = (red & 0x30) >> 6 | (green & 0x30) >> 4 | (blue & 0x30) >> 2;
 
you have to shift by different amounts because the bits are in different positions
 
@KendallFrey so red by >>4,green by 2 and blue by nothing?
 
@KendallFrey what are you doing today
 
fuck all
 
9:12 PM
oh, shitty day?
 
no
perfect day
 
what do you mean 'fuck all'?
 
!!urban fuck all
 
@KendallFrey fuck all nothing
 
oh
 
9:13 PM
!!oh
 
!!every
 
@SteveG That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
we should make an api
 
You should help me make a language
 
9:14 PM
that caprica can hit, that produces a large image of whatever text we feed her, and limit who can use it
so we can make points, in very big font
@KendallFrey that doesn't sound like a lot of fun, to be honest
not really going to use it professionally, and it doesn't help me make money on the side
 
@SteveG it does if you try to
 
what?
 
A language is profitable
How much money has been made off the development of C?
 
my mother always told me
 
You will get hired where you wouldn't have otherwise
 
9:22 PM
if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all
 
I'm trying to encourage you to pursue something that could be fun but if you have no interest in it whatsoever I withdraw my statements
 
thank you for the encouragement
 
welcome :)
 
:)
 
10:00 PM
:) Make the Best you new You()
there a way in the Debug view to scroll to the last item in an array?
.. in the watch window
 
user47589
10:26 PM
i wish the Watch window supported LINQ expressions
 
user47589
i think it does in VS2015? not sure
 
That would be cool , do breakpoints?
 
user47589
no idea.
 
user47589
i've never used conditional breakpoints
 
? Really, use them all the time - do lots of sorting and parsing data tho
so made an async program
it gets about 5k urls and posts them out
the output window has all threads exiting - that is them finishing?
 
10:48 PM
where can I see what ones have finished?
 
11:08 PM
Or the list of tasks while they are running in debug?
 
11:25 PM
is there anything in dotnet to convert an integer to a char in a specific encoding?
 
sweet
 
Just curious, Anyone know why The acronym for Data tier application is DAC ?
 
11:47 PM
DAL? Data Layer
Data Constructs
 
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