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2:00 PM
I read that @Nadal you old f-ck..
Just kidding haha
 
-_-
lol
nah im only 20
 
lol
 
old guys
 
Don't lie to us... I read you're 41..
 
i wish i was, i wouldnt have to worry about damn school and VHDL
 
2:01 PM
@Nadal I missed it, what was it?
 
i'm 27
 
11:01 am here.. DAM hours...
Am I the youngest here ?
 
@Andredseixas if you didn't want to be disrespectful, why did you ask me my age? lol
 
all the guys 35+ are lucky, for some odd reason they dont need as high degrees to get good jobs, DD im 20 lol
i feel sooo young when working with all these other programmers but as soon as I go back to highschool I feel like an old grumpy dude
 
@DeveloperDavid Because if you think it is disrespectful asking your age, I wouldn't mind if you didn't answer... That is why, I don't like to be disrespectful..
Anyone younger than 19 here ? Am I winning ?
 
2:03 PM
@Nadal LMAO me too
 
@Nadal are you kidding??? I'm a MCP, MCITP in MSSQL 2008, MCSA, CCNP with a Ba(Hons) in Information Systems Designs
 
kendal is :P
 
KendallFrey is 17
 
@Andredseixas I'm just pulling your leg dude!
 
hes the chat's baby :P
 
2:04 PM
but he knows a lot, so compared to him i feel like the youngin' ;)
 
What the.. @KendallFrey is it true?
@DeveloperDavid Ok, so how old are you...
 
I'm 18 years old with 14 years experience....
 
@DeveloperDavid Good for you..
 
32...
 
So, you started working with programming before you knew how to read/write?
 
2:05 PM
so that's why I am grumpy when I wake up in the mornings! lol
 
@Andredseixas I thought it was only women who got angry..
 
18 + 14... = 32
 
i was programming as a fetus....beat that Jon Skeet
Jon Skeet: I was programming as a sperm
 
Jon Skeet made Matrix, and made you as a fetus..
 
i started programming when I was 8... well, html coding. I didn't start PHP until i was like 13 or 14
 
2:07 PM
@LewsTherin Angry? Women? Did not understand...
 
man I hate school, 90% of what I learn is random bs I have to do just to get through it......When I meet those guys from colleges they know soo much more than me...
 
@Andredseixas Ask women their age, and they don't seem to like it for some reason..
That's what I've read/heard/been told.
 
@LewsTherin that's because they like to lie about anything....
@LewsTherin so making them confront their age is like, OMG, the end of the world...
 
@DeveloperDavid Oh..
 
woman usually hate answering 2 questions, one is the age the other is the breast size :P
 
2:10 PM
@Nadal it's easy with their breast size, just put your hands on them.... it's easier than asking them
 
@Nadal I would think that would be women with small breasts.. yes?
@DeveloperDavid Ha ha.. bitchslap incoming
 
no, it seems women in general are just very insecure about it
 
@Nadal How do you know this anyway? :O
 
@LewsTherin exactly, bitchslap incoming --> duck
 
@Nadal And yet.. they have no problem answering if they want to go out with me or not :(
 
2:11 PM
@Ammar-Thebadprogrammer :( I know the feeling too well...
 
they tend to be a lot of drama....(I have had much experience...)
 
@Ammar-Thebadprogrammer women don't trust men with anything, yet they trust us to read their minds???!!! WTF!!!!!
 
@DeveloperDavid On tv the men always duck a little too late.. ha ha
 
you will think at one point they are p***sed off as whll but thats actually them horney
 
oh boy
 
2:12 PM
very strange psychology when it comes to women
 
@Nadal Seriously how do you know this? :O
 
Lews, I cannot reveal my sources or I would lose my upper hand :P
( lets just say I have been close to a CRAP load of women since birth)
 
back to C# anyone?
 
Ok, what is the difference between Dictionary<,> and IDictionary<,> ?
 
I never understood Mierin...
 
2:13 PM
@DavidDV - exactly
 
there's an "I" in front of the second Dictionary
 
Ok back to work..
 
I was thinking earlier of making a rhyme application that gives you all the words that rhyme with the one user inputted
match all words with last 4 letters being the same
 
@Nadal great biz plan for aspiring rappers...
 
@DeveloperDavid I can see that, I'm not blind, but what does an interface changes between normal dictionary and interface dictionary ?
 
2:14 PM
or last 3
it doesnt seem difficult
seems to have been done already >.<
 
Anyone? What is the difference between Dictionary<,> and IDictionary<,>. What does the "Interface" changes ?
 
IDictionary inherits ICollection and IEnumerable
 
hmmm
 
15
Q: A difference in style: IDictionary vs Dictionary

reinI have a friend who's just getting into .NET development after developing in Java for ages and, after looking at some of his code I notice that he's doing the following quite often: IDictionary<string, MyClass> dictionary = new Dictionary<string, MyClass>(); He's declaring dictiona...

 
@Nadal Does loop rhyme with soup?
 
Ok, let me read the article..
 
@KendallFrey nah but I am sure that there is some library that provides sound pronounciations as well which can implement the same logic to make it work
 
The I in IDictionary is meant for global use in the whole app ?
 
@Andredseixas noooooooooo
 
Just pointing out that spelling != pronunciation
 
2:19 PM
@Andredseixas what you are talking about is public private acessors...
 
@DeveloperDavid I really can't understand the use of Interface objects and stuff..
 
you should use
var dictionary = new Dictionary<string, MyClass>();
;)
 
@KendallFrey I am just so lazy to be super specific about what I am thinking that I just say one statement and hope other people assume generally what I mean because it takes so much more energy to type more
 
I am using that, but I just want to understand the Interface usage
 
2:20 PM
Interface is just a contract that means that you must implement the methods defined in your Interface
this allows for Polymorphism to take place for example....
 
@DeveloperDavid I want to do something different today, something problem solving and work related but I am kind of bored of C#ing....is there something fun in programming, problem solvingish?
 
Tired of C#? Try C or C++. You will never be tired of C# again.
8
 
what was that link that I think Travis J sent to me??? it had like 101 problems to solve???!!!?
 
Have to star that.
 
lol so true
@DeveloperDavid programming puzzles?
 
2:23 PM
@Andredseixas getting back to Interfaces, when you do a Foreach loop through like a List<T>, all items are of the same type
 
code euler maybe?
 
You mean ... Project Euler
 
@Ammar-Thebadprogrammer I think so, yeah, that's the one... what was that link??!!
@KendallFrey what's the link programmer buddy?
 
there you go @Nadal :D
@Andredseixas only problem with doing a for each loop with a List<T> is that it gets pretty limiting....
 
2:25 PM
So @DeveloperDavid If I want to loop with a foreach I'll have to use a IList in IDictionary ?
 
Not exactly. I'm showing you WHY we use Interfaces and Inheritance....
 
I still can't understand Interfaces... :(
 
so here's the deal.... when your class inherit an Interface, you are saying that your Class will have x z y functionality ( or methods ) that had been defined in your Interface
 
@Andredseixas it is because interfaces don't make any logic in smaller examples and projects IMO
 
so that, when you have another Class that inherit the SAME interface, you can now do in your List<T> a for each loop through your objects which has inherited the SAME interface....
this is an example of Polymophism ....
 
2:30 PM
So you can inherit your structure to another dictionary and use the same structure on this new dictionary ?
 
forget about Dictionaries!!!
 
D'oh
 
can i jump in here with an example? :)
 
@Steve yes pleeeeeeeeease!
 
2:32 PM
so lets say you're making an application to handle purchases in a music shop.
right
 
now, when you want to find out the price of a guitar, you pass the guitar object to a method which takes an argument of the datatype guitar
 
the guitar has a method named "getprice", but what happens when you pass in another object of type "banjo" which has the same method "getprice"
it breaks.
 
ISalesItem
 
2:34 PM
@KendallFrey You Sell Items?
 
so if you have both of those objects implement the same interface "instrument",
 
I knew you were going to say that.. I knew it !!
 
@Steve that was just plain wrong!.....
@Steve just kidding!!! perrrrrfect!
 
@Steve Price doesn't have anything to do with instruments. You want an interface that covers all other items.
 
@KendallFrey forget about the details, @Andredseixas understood the concept!!!
 
2:36 PM
any ideas why this isnt working?
public static void PopulateLists<T>(TableLayoutPanel userInputs, List<T> container) where T : Control
        {
            foreach (Control control in userInputs.Controls)
            {
                container.Add(control);
            }
        }
 
@HansRudel because you coded it?
 
then when you pass either the "banjo" object, or the " guitar" object to the getprice method (it requires a datatype "instrument"), it doesn't break
 
@HansRudel A control cannot be part of 2 containers.
 
@DeveloperDavid thats the correct answer...
 
yeah, i didn't sit down and design this @kendall, it was just something off of the top of my head lol
 
2:36 PM
Damn, I hate theory...
 
@HansRudel just kidding, let's take a look :D
 
@KendallFrey howd u mean?
 
Oh, wait. container isn't a control container.
Nvm
So, how doesn't it work?
 
Does OpenCV work only on C and C++? Or does it also work on C#?
 
I"m not familiar with TableLayoutPanel Type object
 
2:38 PM
@KendallFrey nah its just a list but i wanted to make a list<textbox> and a list<combobox> so i can sort them by tab order
 
Oh, I know now.
 
@DeveloperDavid np bro
 
You need to check each control to be sure it is a T. if (control is T) container.Add(control as T);
 
@DeveloperDavid god I jus had a look that site hurts my eyes those math problems....
 
2:40 PM
C#ers.... thank you for ignoring me after all I have done for you:'(.... I am turning over to Java in my anger
 
He was never sincere anyway...
;P
 
I am being truthful.... how do I use Java?
 
You don't. Simple.
 
@Kendall Pin chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/4636354#4636354 so people know what they have done
 
@KendallFrey there is only one type in each table layout panel (probably a bit wasteful but.. looks neat) Ur answer was right, as per usual, the errors have gone. Thank you very much :)
 
2:42 PM
grinz
 
But seriously.... Does OpenCV work only on C and C++? Or does it also work on C#?
 
Look for a C# wrapper library.
If you don't find one, use pinvoke.
 
I mean straight up C#... none of that wrapper shit
 
Ell
Then no
 
Isn't it a native library?
 
Ell
2:45 PM
It is a c++ library i think
 
:P I knew I should never have depended on anything OpenSource
@Ell C
 
C# does not straight up support native libraries.
 
Ell
@OutlawLemur what is that supposed to mean? "I knew I should never have depended on anything Open Source"?
 
@Ell That I don't trust other people
@KendallFrey Then I miss C++!!! You can do so much more
 
Ell
If anything open source is for the untrustworthy
you can't trust proprietary code, but you can change open source code to suit yourself
 
2:48 PM
I don't trust ANYONE!!!!!
 
@Ell Exactly. Trust is a bigger issue with proprietary software.
 
Not even myself
I do trust Jon Skeet though....
 
Ell
@OutlawLemur but seriously, a large amount of good libararies are written in C/C++, which means you will need "that wrapper shit"
 
lmao
 
@Ell stunned silence
 
Ell
2:51 PM
sorry that was overly blunt especially since I don't come into this room :L
 
i thought it was funny
 
I am just kidding.... but I will now do some image processing in C++ :D
 
Ell
haha
 
c++ is what my university starts teaching freshmen as their first language
after that, everything seems like a piece of cake
 
Haha that is a terrible idea
 
2:53 PM
Scarred for life...
 
I LIKE C++
 
lmao
 
Course I started with VBA. Not much difference.
 
Ell
C++ is a brilliant language
 
I started with C#, then JavaScript, then C++... so I slid into it pretty well
 
2:54 PM
its nice, its powerful, but its hard and takes long to write and debug. If you don't need all of that power (most people don't).... then stick with c#, or whatever tickles your fancy
 
C++ was the main language all through the curriculum at my Alma Mater
 
Ell
I went as2 -> vb.net -> ruby -> vb.net (again) -> c++
 
it was our main language too
 
I hear Khan University was talking about using javascript as an introductory programming language
 
i went php ( on my own when i was a teen) -> c++ -> java -> c# -> heaven on earth
 
2:55 PM
I generally need power.... but I have 1,000+ lines of C# code.... so that would be like 3,000 lines of C++
 
JavaScript is a great language to learn.
 
Ell
@OutlawLemur why would c++ be inherently larger?
 
javascript is a given
 
has less of the abstractions
 
Power and usablility are on opposite ends of the scale.
 
2:57 PM
Because it is in WPF so I have to make the windows.... and for the Kinect SDK everything is larger in C++
 
Just write what you need to in C++, and the rest in C#.
 
I have already have put like 500+ hours into this, plus I still suck at C++ so I am staying in C#.... also I need data from a website that was written in C# so
 
Ell
whatever floats your boat
 
I gtg :C
 
kbye
 
3:00 PM
How could u populate a list<textbox> when the ui first loads?
 
i kind of miss writing in c++ in a weird way, i haven't written anything in like... idk, maybe a year
2
 
Form_Load
 
@KendallFrey does that happen before or after

public userInterface()
{
....
}
 
After. You can also do it in the constructor, after InitializeComponent()
 
they're moving my office, yay
 
3:06 PM
@KendallFrey like this?
public partial class userInterface : Form
    {
        public userInterface()
        {
            InitializeComponent();
        }

        private void Form1_Load(object sender, System.EventArgs e)
        {
            FrazerMann.CsvImporter.UserInterface.Misc.UiHelper.PopulateLists<TextBox>(uiTableLayoutPanelColumnNames, SortedColumnNames);
            SortedColumnNames.Sort(FrazerMann.CsvImporter.UserInterface.Misc.UiHelper.SortList<TextBox>);
            ...
        }
 
Ell
@Steve woah how big is the crane?
 
pretty big
they're putting the whole thing on a boat and are shipping it to shanghi
 
Ell
awesommmeee
 
@HansRudel Yeah, assuming you hooked up the event.
 
Ell
anyway I'm off to mow the lawn, catch you guys later :D
 
3:08 PM
@Ell bye :)
 
@KendallFrey no i hadnt (facepalm) but its still saying my container is not initialized, ie null
 
The List? Initialize it. container = new List<TextBox>();
 
but its a property
 
its like this
public List<TextBox> SortedColumnNames { get; set; }
im assuming i have to declare it the old skool way
?
 
3:13 PM
SortedColumnNames = new List<TextBox>();
Preferably in the constructor.
 
...ok :(
 
Rawr!
Finally found the blog post on why PHP is the biggest pile of turd ever!
 
@KendallFrey works like a charm, thanks bro
 
@SPFiredrake you should read the book PHP the good parts
its like the Javascript the good parts but then for PHP
 
Does anyone know how to find out where my program is spending most of it's time at? Some of my pages load a bit slow.
or should I just step the program like a true boss that I am
 
3:18 PM
@Ammar-Thebadprogrammer are you using EF? :p
 
Randomly pause the program in the debugger. That should usually stop at the bottleneck. #profilingforcheapskates
 
@DavidDV sure am
lolmvc
 
just remove EF then
 
you can always try this -> efprof.com
 
3:21 PM
I rather just go to lunch today
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to get those N+1 selects
 
ill look into that!
 
@DavidDV HAHA! Holy hell that's great!
 
:)
 
Not sure if it's just my PC or what, but all I see is the front cover, and then 60 pages of white.
No content.
 
3:24 PM
that is rightt :p
maybe 60 pages of trollfaces would have been better
 
lol Just saw it
 
Nope.
Perfectly fitting
 
back
 
JSON and Asynchronous calls, Y U R SO ADDICTIVE !! :(
 
3:31 PM
@KendallFrey shouldn't you be out getting drunk, sleeping with women, and doing what normal teens do: have fun and be stupid? get off of SO, thats an order
 
Make me :P
 
lol
 
All Some of that other stuff is for weekends.
 
I imagined Kendall doing mc hammer dance and singing "Can't touch this" after reading his comment..
 
wasting your youth on SO chat
 
3:32 PM
lmao
 
Wasting my youth earning money and SO rep.
4
 
im going to take you to canada, we'll get drunk and do hookers, it'll be a good ol' time
 
Go to Brazil, where hookers are cheap and the time is good...
 
I'm in... wait, I'm not anymore.
 
hahaha
 
3:35 PM
I forgot the 9hr drive on Friday.
 
yeahhh
 
@Andredseixas just make sure they are women
 
SO needs to make a way to exchange rep for cash. 1 for 1. Yeahhhh
 
Brazil is not Thailand..
 
lol
.
 
3:36 PM
Lunch time !
 
yeahh
does jon skeet ever come in here
 
good, he saved himself some embarassment. I didn't want to have to show him up
(joking... don't everybody react at once)
 
I just emailed jon a transcript of the last 5 minutes
 
crap. he's going to come after me now
 
3:49 PM
lol steve
he says he knows where you live o.O hes on his way with his laptop
 
i feel like you could make alot of money if you master Rx
 
dont u guys sometimes feel that ur life is passing by too fast while you're so busy coding?
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by the time you realize it you've got grey hair
 
Coders all get gray hair by 25.
 
I don't
:p
genetics
:D
 
That is, whatever remains after tearing it out so many times.
 
3:56 PM
there has to be a better way to live life
 
hi kendall
 
@Nadal for sure, i think i might just quit one day and be a drifter, at least you can enjoy life
 
@HansZ You're welcome for the vote ;P
 
@Steve there are hundreds of people as we speak that are making millions without lifting a finger or working and enjoying life...
 
Specifically, CEO's
 
3:59 PM
entrapreneurs to be precise
 
CEO -> Crazily Enormously Overpaid
Entrepreneurs work hard.
 
thats true
 

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