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10:00 AM
@serhio Hmm could be not zero, try setting it again
 
NLV
hello all
am i allowed to ask any questions here?
 
hi
 
o/ @NLV
 
you are
 
@sinni800 margins of what, canvas or UserControl?
 
10:00 AM
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Q: SharpSVN: How do I create a new file in my SVN repository without using a working copy?

ArjanI want to create a new file in my repository without having the file stored on my hard disk first. How can I do this with SharpSVN?

 
Usercontrol
 
can any one answer me
??
 
@Arjan do it from someone elses hard disk?
 
NLV
I'm trying to create an asynchronous file transfer between two clients in an ASP.net application. Any insights? Or this is a wrong room? :)
 
@Sres Smartass :D
@NLV it is the wrong room, normally. but the asp.net rooms are empty
 
10:01 AM
hah
 
So It won't make sense there. I asked an asp.net question here too
 
hey alll................
 
@Pramodh what happened my friend?
 
NLV
@sinni
of course it is
 
Hmm
 
10:02 AM
@DrTJ , i'm having a doubt
 
Asynchronous file transfer between two clients
You'll have to go over the server
 
about what?!
 
And ajax your way through or wait for websockets ;)
 
@DrTJ ,wat is oops....?is it Object oriented programming? then it is oop right?
 
oops = object orientated programming system
 
10:03 AM
@Sres , System, it can not be
 
NLV
Any insights? I've created chat app using a combination of WCF/JQuery. I want to provide file transfer option in the app.
 
is it
 
it also occurs in linux when the kernel deviates from normal operation
 
@NLV file transfer? Let one client upload to the server, then the other download from the same
You can't do P2P in javascript
 
@NLV FTP!
 
NLV
10:04 AM
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Q: Asynchronous file transfer in ASP.Net Chat Application (peer to peer)

NLVHello I've developed a chat application using WCF/ASp.net. I want to asynchronously transfer a file from one chat user to another chat user. What is best approach for this? here are my insights/doubts Do i need a central server between two users to assist the file transfer? Can i create a dir...

 
Won't work peer to peer, @NLV
 
NLV
@sres - FTP? weird.
 
peer to peer in asp.net isn't possible
 
You will need a server to assist
 
NLV
i dont want to keep a central server and hammer it down with all the requests. Instead, i want to establish a direct channel between the chat clients to do the file transfer.
 
10:05 AM
@NLV again, you cant :)
@NLV not with web browsers
 
@DrTJ , are you there?
 
@Pramodh as far as i know, OOP is just abbrivation of Object Oriented Programming... sorry, i dont get ur question
 
NLV
Can't i use sockets to establish a channel?
 
@NLV no
@NLV The other client will have to listen. and listening on sockets in javascript?!
 
@Pramodh do u mean this??
 
10:06 AM
Doesnt work
 
@NLV Silverlight + Sockets = \o/
 
@DrTJ , yeah ... its OOP right? then why we are saying` oops` instead of oop
 
@Sres does silverlight support listening now?
 
@Sres silverlight does everything! EXCEPT for having a default file name in save file dialogs
SOOOO un-awesome
@Sres "So Silverlight 2 applications will be allowed to connect only to the host from which they were downloaded."
 
10:08 AM
And why do you think they don't allow that? Default file name I mean
 
@Pramodh maybe its SYSTEM
mmmm
let me c
@Pramodh where did u read it?!
 
@DrTJ dat's what I said
 
No peer to peer, @Sres
 
@Sres yes, i just repeated ur answer
 
10:11 AM
India? :)
 
here, this means OOP Languages
i think
 
@DrTJ plagiarism!
 
I still wonder why so many microsoft programmers come from India, is there a reason?
 
@Sres what!?
 
repeating my answer :)
 
10:12 AM
@sinni800 , may be hard workers
 
@sinni800 either that or call centers?
 
@NLV if you're willing to use flash flashrealtime.com/basics-of-p2p-in-flash
flash has peer to peer it seems
 
NLV
how does gmail & yahoo do file transfers? so they have heavy servers?
 
@NLV of course they do
 
NLV
to handle millions?
 
10:14 AM
yeah
basically
 
NLV
just curious about finding the right architecture
 
@Sres sorry, on that moment i had no time to look for ur name
 
They don't have 1 server
They have thousands
 
@Sres excusme
 
@DrTJ , but i'm confused with the "s"
 
10:15 AM
OOPS = Object Oriented Programming System
Not widely used
 
@DrTJ don't worry about it, was only having a laugh
 
Google might have 100.000 servers. Facebook certainly does have 10.000 I think
 
@Lasse Could you have a look at my question? stackoverflow.com/questions/4031926/…
 
Flash does this natively now
 
@Arjan I have, I don't know, I think you need to build your own client software
 
10:16 AM
It tries to interconnect the users through UDP
 
NLV
@sinni hmm it's tough to plug-in or switch over to flash
 
I have a question regarding using multiple server
 
@LasseVKarlsen Thanks
 
if it does not succeed, communication goes over flash media server
 
NLV
so 'server' is unavoidable - bottom line.
 
10:17 AM
Yes
Our network architecture demands this
 
@Sres where r u from?
 
UK
 
@Pramodh treat them as OOP ;)
 
Lasse V. Karlsen i m new to this chat room and i have a question regarding use of multiple server
 
So ask it ?
 
10:19 AM
@NiteshKatare first, please try using @ and then start typing the name of Lasse. It will autocomplete, you can use the autocompletion with tab
It will also highlight the text message to him, so he sees he's being spoken to
 
if google and yahoo use thousand of server den do they use single database or multiple
 
Multiple most likely
Sharded
 
@NiteshKatare They are most likely having multiple clustered databases
 
then it might need synchronization of database ?
 
This is a big complex issue
There's no "yes" or "no" answers to this
Let me walk you through a thought experiment
Let's suppose they don't want synchronization
 
10:21 AM
@DrTJ , ok friend. thank you
 
So they partition up the database, so that you and 100 other users are on one server, and me and 100 other users are on a different server
When I log in, I'm directed to "my" server
 
@Pramodh u r welcome
 
This would make their system scale easily, just add new servers before the existing ones are full
However, what about failover now? What if one server dies? Surely my data aren't lost or unavailable for long?
 
@DrTJ , wats up der...? had lunch...?
 
k if 2 users from different server want to cummunicate den will it be easy to handle tat ?
 
10:22 AM
What kind of communication do you talk about here?
Email? That's just a message from one machine to another
 
k
if dey are dng live chat den ?
 
@Pramodh not yet... ;)
 
Then they need some way to communicate
Probably message bus type of system
 
i'm just working
 
@DrTJ , :)
 
10:24 AM
thanks and once i heard that Facebook is running on 40 thousand server so got this doubt
One more doubt if a user log in how do the application will come to know tat in which server the user data is stored
 
A database with that information?
Again, replicated in case of failure
 
k it means first the application will check which database is having the particular user infomation
 
Yes
But this is of course just one of many ways to do it, I don't build such large systems, so I don't have the necessary experience
 
NLV
@NiteshKatare clustered database is used. In fact the request is load balanced by a load balancing technique and then directed to a server. The server will take the data from the clustered database. They would have implemented multiple RAID techniques to withstand failures.
 
wat abt user name and password informtion will this infomation also shared on multiple servers on single 1
 
10:28 AM
You can bet that they don't store anything on any one single server
If that server goes down, everything goes down, so they have stored it on several
And to get specific details, you probably need to ask them instead
 
@NLV can u plz explain me bit about cluster database ?
 
@Arjan Why do you need to store a new file into Subversion without a working folder?
 
@NLV thanks
 
should the return string of a ASP.NET WebMethod be in JSON form?
 
10:41 AM
could be xml, surely. Depends on who is calling it.
 
jQuery is calling the webmethod. I fixed the JSON format. But now it tells me that I exceed the string length
 
run it through fiddler; see what is actually coming over the wire
(that should actually be the default for pretty much any issue between client and server)
 
@NLV I have a question regarding win forms
 
Eliminating Spof's is essential :o
uhh
 
10:48 AM
@LasseVKarlsen I have a question regarding win forms
 
asp.net mvc definitely needs a XMLResult
at the side of the jsonresult
i implemented a viewengine which checks for xml=1
and redirects to a view which returns xml instead of the normal html
hmm, the xml view could use a xslt though
 
Hi,
in windows application, application.run() methods getting invoked twice
 
@Rupa , hi Rupa
 
how can I stop this
 
any sample code?
 
10:53 AM
m using one thread inside a form
its a normal windows application with 2 forms
from one form m calling the second form's method
 
@NickCraver Thank you. I'll look into it
 
By creating object of the second form you cann call the method right?
if you want to display the form you can use show() or showDialog() method .
its just a suggestion?
 
@NickCraver I'm not too sure but I don't think JavaScriptSerialiser exists in .NET 2.0
 
@MarcGravell I have a Question regarding win forms
 
11:15 AM
@NiteshKatare: That's nice, but unless you ask it, it won't get answered
 
/sigh, demonstrating software to customers. Why can't sales people sell my software for me :(
 
Hey Im back after a day :)
@sres, then your job wouldn't be fun :) its part of the experience :)
 
lol
I like the surprise, the... can you demo your software at the drop of a hat. Yeah no problem mate, I'm only juggling 3 projects at the moment, I can slip a demo in no problem...
 
lol Ya, and not to mention the fact that it might not build, had that prob before....
(employer): hey i need you to show this person how the project works
(me): uhm, 30 mins? I need to make it build then test it....
(employer): I'm your father, I say now!
there needs to be a split view for chats...
 
I'm your FATHER?
Oh lord if my boss would say that
 
11:29 AM
lol he is...
im only 14
 
also how do people manage testing a application with ten thousand code lines? compiling takes ages
oh gee
i didnt make applications when i was that young
i was still coding already, though...
 
not many did :)
nah, im writing an iOS app..
but started programming in C#
 
And now to luncheon, o/
 
hmm, i'm thinkin breakfast..
 
Just got access to the chat. Didn't even know that my newly favourite forum had a chat client! Nice!
 
11:43 AM
Hey welcome!
Heres a good way to get rep: Answer some questions too :)
 
good evening (:
 
@BleuM937 , good evening
 
[Warning[ productivity levels decreasing [Action] Attempting Coffe Boost
 
Hey, good evening to you good morning (i need to have a doughnut lol) to me :)
@jaminator lol
 
[Action]Attempting Heavy Metal Boost
 
11:47 AM
coffee is the best
 
[Action] Initializing Head phones
 
I cant get past the smell...
[Action] starting iPod :)
 
@richard dude u just reminded me of my ipod touch it was soo good but one God forsaken day it got fired in rain
 
@BleuM937 , i prefer Tea
 
[Action] Deleting ipod log
 
11:49 AM
if (this.HasIpod())
this.Ipod.Play();
else if (this.HasZune) {
Console.Error.WriteLine("[Warning] you are using a crappy media player, please switch to an ipod");
this.Zune.Play();
 
@Pramodh tea is good too
 
[Error] Ipod Malfunctioning
 
I have iPT 4th gen and I love it..
@jaminator [Action] send ipod back to apple
[action] sue apple for making a device that malfunctions
 
if(this.HasNothing())
{
this.sleep.Activate();
}
 
11:51 AM
lol
 
lol
nice one guys
 
[action] sue microsoft for the blue screen of death
 
now i am seriously of for some coffee
 
kk cya in however long it takes to have coffee :)
 
[Action] vaguely mumble something somewhat related to C#
how does one unit test data access code?
...the room went silent
 
11:57 AM
@jaminator my ipod touch just commited suicice
 
@BleuM937 , wats up in Australia ?
 
umm
well
for year 12 kids
in victoria
exams start tomorrow!
scary! :S
 
@BleuM937 , :-)
wat xams buddy?
 
ummm, luckily for me I don't have an exam tomorrow
most people have an English exam
Friday is Specialist Maths (exam 1)
which is completely tech-free and awfully hard
then Monday I do the tech-active spesh maths exam
 
lol im 14, i'm writing iOS app, dont need to take exam :)
 
11:59 AM
Maths is an interesting subject right?
:48480
 

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