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12:12 AM
wooo chat
 
12:31 AM
Woo!
 
Rye
Wooo.. lol!
 
What does "There can be only one" mean?
 
Rye
There can only be one chat for c# lol
 
@JoanVenge C# lol
 
1:01 AM
wicked
 
That's an awesome use of the chat room feature, to point people to duplicate questions before they try to post it. Nice. I might become a believer.
Can we permalink this stuff for refrence in SO and meta?
Oh yes we can permalink .... awesome! Really well though out. Impressed.
 
1:31 AM
Hello
 
@400_the_cat Bonjour
 
Hmmm.
 
2:01 AM
@rye there is the 'remove old version' option. And also, you have to increment the version number on the installer
 
Rye
2:18 AM
@kervin That is why it is not updating because of the version number. Thanks.
 
China developers here ?
I have a question here: do you work under framework 4.0 now ?
 
2:35 AM
@ligaoren: I develop software for a Chinese company. Does this help?
@ligaoren: or are you specifically looking for a Chinese developer.
 
@rye yup, common issue. Got me to. Now if some kind soul would patch autobuildversion.codeplex.com to increment version numbers on Setup projects we'd be all set :)
 
Rye
@kervin ah. That makes life easy :)
 
Who changed from VC++ to C# and never went back?
(or just C++)
 
Who am I?
@ligaoren I'm using .NET 4.0 from it's RC release, and RTM in production.
 
You're Jeffrey, Jeffrey.
 
3:07 AM
This is nice.
 
@NickBedford Does Java count? :)
 
3:46 AM
OMG, this is back to 1999 when we have public chat rooms. Is the internet moving forward or backward? Interesting product to see anyhow.
 
@NickBedford I have, used to even do partial specialization template programming, nuff said... C# RULEZ!!!
 
4:12 AM
Hello
 
@AndersonImes DB Pro is a double side blade, it takes a lot time to maintain it
 
hello
 
How is everyone doing?
 
hi.. this is great.. stackoverflow is going great...
 
Question: Why when I try return feet * 0.3804, the compiler says the"*" operator can't be applied to decimal and double operands. feet is a decimal above. In order for me to get it to work I had to do return feet * (decimal)0.3804
 
4:22 AM
@all, I am parsing html file with html agility pack but some badly written html page can not be parsed by html agility pack, so I tried to tidy using html tidy , then it becomes totally blank, cannot make that page tidy, now I tried to make tidy that same html page with notepad++ then it can be tidied with notepad++, so what to do ?
because through html tidy pack, I can not make it tidy..
 
@Xaisoft: you can also do 0.3804m
 
ok thank. What I don't understand though is that if the compiler says that I can't apply * to decimal or double, why does it allow it when i cast 0.3804 to a decimal
 
@all, I am parsing html file with html agility pack but some badly written html page can not be parsed by html agility pack, so I tried to tidy using html tidy , then it becomes totally blank, cannot make that page tidy, now I tried to make tidy that same html page with notepad++ then it can be tidied with notepad++, so what to do ?

because through html tidy pack, I can not make it tidy..
 
well, think about it this way, if you do string*int - compiler will complain too :)
 
but isn't the number 0.3804 a decimal already?
 
4:27 AM
@Xaisoft compiler is trying to help you. Decimals are very large 128bit wide, so if it chose decimal that can potentially be very wasteful
@Xaisoft so the compiler choses the smaller option for the literal.
 
ok
 
0.3804 is a number that can be represented as a double, single ( floating point ) or a decimal ( fixed point )
If you don't specify, the compiler uses it's rules to guess
 
i was actually just trying to convert feet to meters, i started off with a float, but then used a decimal. I have always been curious why there is not a Convert.ToFloat method?
 
because its a single
I believe ( not sure ) that the CLR types use single
ie. ToSingle()
Generally, I try to avoid floats. If you think you have a choice between floats and fixed point numbers, you probably don't :) Use fixed point :)
Good night
 
4:42 AM
hi
 
5:37 AM
Hi everybody
congrats for opening chat in SOF
 
Hi
I like the idea for chat rooms, Congrats
 
@Nasser: How are you geo?
 
Hey dude
 
Rye
hey guys, does the graphics of OnPaint eats lots of memory?
 
@NasserHadjloo I like this chat room
 
5:46 AM
@masoudramezani I wish I can find experts here
 
hi alll.............
any one there...........????
hello.....................
 
@Pramodh Hello
 
@masoudramezani , hi..... how are you
???
 
Thank you, and you?
 
doing good............. whatt doing???
doing good............. whatt doing???
 
5:56 AM
@Pramodh I'm writing a new query
 
ohh.... fine.
at work??
 
Rye
hi everyone, does internal variables eats memory?
 
@Pramodh yes
 
@Rye No internal Variable in .NET managed with Garbage Collection and when a method called it fired , and when method finished working it will removed from memory
 
Rye
@NasserHadjloo thanks, how bout the gdi's? for example I draw lots of circle?
 
6:04 AM
It What do you mean that you drwaing lots of circles
@Rye Actually what you are doing in a method will happenin it , and you have to implement methods with the best performance
 
Rye
@NasserHadjloo
for example I draw lots of ellipse OnPaint (e.Graphics.DrawElipse()) because I encountered Out Of memory exception once.
 
@Rye. memprofiler.com, worth every penny
 
@Rye In this case, I think you have to clean memory by yourself in destructor
 
Rye
Thanks chatters lol :)
 
hi there! i have a tiny question regarding vb6! i know this aint the right forum but the vb forum is dead. so if anyone interested i can ask?
 
6:17 AM
@jaminator, bring it! ;)
 
thanks Simon, i made an application in vb6 now i have given it a product version from project/properties but i noticed the win explorer has two tags for exe a product version and a file version. i want to edit the file version of my app's exe any idea how can i do that?
 
I've never tried that, so I don't have an answer for you.
 
Rye
lol!
 
thanks anyway
 
6:36 AM
which event to add a parameter to sqldatasource with BookingsDS.SelectParameters.Add ?
 
@jaminator Ask that question on Stackoverflow (if you haven't already)
 
Why is it so hard to get help with Silverlight ? A decent question gets 5 views in 4 days... :'-(
 
@Xavier, COM is even worse, 40 views no answers
 
I think most people try to forget COM(+) ever existed
And Silverlight is still a bit new, not that many experts (or people who at least feel they can answer questions yet)
 
isnt visual studio written with com+?
 
6:47 AM
There are COM interfaces, yes
 
they have massive amounts of legacy code in the IDE that is written with COM
 
But it's not COM+. The UI of VS2010 is written in WPF.
 
And it doesn't matter, to me, I don't have to use or learn COM to use VS
 
1/2 of visual studio is written in COM
im actually chatting wiht a product manage for visual studio right now
 
yeah
 
6:50 AM
Do you think Silverlight is better path than WPF for RIAs?
 
wpf and silverlight are prety the same , except wpf is for desktop application while silverlight is more on the web side, thats what i know
 
I wonder if MS is going to merge Silverlight and WPF?
 
That's right. WPF can also run in a browser but Silverlight is more portable.
Silverlight can only do so much compared to WPF though.
 
wcpro, please ask the Visual Studio prod mnger if .5 VS is in COM then plz put some examples up on how to edit file properties using managed code ( COM interfaces)
 
I think that Silverlight might eventually replace WPF. Silverlight 4 can run outside the browser.
 
6:53 AM
for a month now hundereds of views and no anwers even on msdn
 
Do you have a link for your COM question?
 
i am so close in it yet so far
 
i don't actually get what WPF is for.. isn't there already Windows Forms?
(and can't you just use the Graphics object to draw custom graphics if you need to?)
 
i am using c# with directx when i creating setup for my project, i unable to run my project in windows7 64bit os
i amging target platform as x86
 
@ratty make sure that all of the dependencies are built in 32-bit
and not just one component
under C# you'll get a BadImageFormatException when calling functions in an assembly or native DLL built for a different architecture
 
7:04 AM
@Hach-Que: wpf is an updated rendering engine for the windows platform not based on Win32/GDI
Those were showing their age
 
Hach-Que, WPF makes making UI intensive app easy, its windows have different thread not the classic dialog, it provides ability to write XAML scripts that will help making UI coding easier
 
@AndersonImes it seems to be just like an embedded HTML document (except written in XML instead)
 
@hach-Que i am sure with that
 
i.e. it gives me the impression that they're just running it all in an IE embedded control
 
@hach-que not quite :)
 
7:07 AM
is it just me or is there no visual designer for WPF forms?
 
It's just you
 
its just you there is one
:)
 
@hach-que: it is just you. There is one built into VS and an outside product called "Blend"
 
VS 2008? I tried double and right clicking on the .xaml documents, but no designer to be found
hmm
 
Not all Xaml files are compatible with .Net3.5
 
7:09 AM
well there is a Show Designer option now
 
if anybody think he is good at COM, will appreciate help here stackoverflow.com/questions/3967329/…
 
Nor are all Xaml files WPF files
 
but it says No editor available
maybe i just didn't install that component when i installed VS
i think my important question relating to this is, will WinForms be phased out in favour of WPF?
 
The default editor for XAML files was the designer/code window (it shows both at the same time), on my machine
Was super annoying in fact, since the designer is pretty slow
I changed it to just show the XML, that was lots better
 
@hach-que: almost certainly. They won't retire it completely for a while, but they will stop adding WinForms features (already have)
 
7:12 AM
:(
i like WinForms
it's a solid framework
i don't really like XML-based designers
it feels like your UI is seperate from the code
(i.e. your UI is stored in two completely different types of formats)
 
@hach-que: only because you haven't learned WPF yet. Personally I wouldn't do WinForms anymore. WPF is better
 
Well, there are pros and cons for everything, so we should move on and try everything
I agree, WPF with MVVM makes life easy
 
@hach-que: nothing could be further from the truth... Try MVVM WPF and you will learn true separation of concerns
 
@hach
it would be nice decoupling of Presentation and logic ....
 
i hate decoupling
you gotta keep two formats in your head at the same time to understand how your UI is presented ;P
 
7:16 AM
:)
 
I love decoupling
:)
 
:p
 
Obvious troll is trolling
 
;))
 
Goodnight folks
 
7:16 AM
good night
 
Good night Anderson
 
who's trolling? o_o
 
sleep tight
 
don't sleep loose ;)
 
:D
 
7:18 AM
It's so cool that SO now has its own chatting system............... :-)
 
indeed i do like this chatting system
 
well depends how we all use it :)
 
yeah, you are right :-)
But I think this is gonna be great
 
it would be like, ideas and suggestions instantaneous and on the fly
 
@Nitin: As opposed to the days you have to wait to get answers on the main site
;)
 
7:21 AM
right
 
WPF is great though, the only thing WinForms really has going for it is immediate control.
 
what do you mean immediate control?
i didn't understand :(
 
In WPF you can't just override OnPaint() and draw whatever you want
 
really?
OnPaint rules
 
You can do custom drawing, but you don't normally control when your drawing code is called
Because of the deferred model
 
7:24 AM
you can't just call Invalidate?
 
Sure, you can, but that doesn't necessarily mean WPF has to go through your code again to rerender
 
o_o
then how does it determine what to draw?
 
Since what the code does is to build up a render graph
And if it hasn't changed, WPF just rerenders the old one
 
oh
so you don't interact with the canvas in any way even like the Graphics object in WinForms?
 
Yeah
 
7:26 AM
:(
 
You can draw lines and strings and whatnot yourself, but not in a way that they immediately appear on the screen
But that's not really something you need to be able to do when just designing a UI
 
no, but if you're ever writing a user control
you'd need that
(unless you plan on strictly using the pre-existing controls in your user control)
 
Not exactly, it's not like you can't do any custom drawing
 
Just testing this out
dont mind me
 
@Kory: sandbox

Sandbox

Where you can play with regular chat features (except flagging...
2
 
7:29 AM
Thanks Joren
 
Thanks Joren for your explanation :-)
 
hello...
 
Hi, welcome to room
Any suggestions for updating chart data in Open XML SDK
 
7:46 AM
OK folks, have a nice time
bye*
 
lunch time
 
eh, not had breakfast yet!
 
I have breakfast in front of me (not yet eaten)
mmm... lunch
 
what is it?
 
a meal you have at midday
 
7:51 AM
... but that's not important right now
 
no what are you having for breakfast, i always have sucky breakfast
 
(I'm sure you can connect why I brought that up :))
 
8:12 AM
Hi everybody, how are you?
 
@DrTJ , fine ........ thank you........... how about you....????!!!!!
 
@Pramodh: fine, thanks :)
 
wat doing???
 
haha, just trying to understand what people are talking about in this chat room... ;)
@Pramodh whats your job?
 
sw engnr..............
yours???!
 
8:18 AM
me too
the same
me too
 
oh.. its showing time out message !!!right?
 
yes
why this is happening?
 
@DrTJ , in which platform you are working?
@DrTJ , no idea
 
@Pramodh my last project was just about C# 4 and ado.net
but
But, i'm currently working on MVC
it's not so long, just 3 monthes
 
oh... okey.... fine
 
8:22 AM
and you?
 
c# .Net...........
 
I really like to do international projects
do you think its possible?
 
@DrTJ , mmmm........... yes we can
 
@DrTJ Wha did you mean by international projects? ;-)
 
i can not understant fully what you meant by international projects???
@Shoban , hi shoban
 
8:25 AM
@Shoban something like multilanguage projects
that we use shared thing in cultures on them
 
@Shoban , r u der...........
 
@Pramodh hi.... @DrTJ ah.. ok... Luckily I am working on few projects which involve international clients and deveopers.. (Paris, Nordic, germenay etc)
 
??
 
Sorry guys.. Have some network issues and getting disconnected
 
@Shoban , sugamano???? trivandrathil endokkeyundu viseshangal???
 
8:27 AM
hi
 
@Jaffa , hi
 
@Jaffa Hi
 
Hello People
 
@Darknight , hi
 
@Pramodh plz EN, or teach us hindi ;)
 
8:28 AM
i'm trying to work
 
@Pramodh ha ha Sugam. Sugam!! Ellam sugam. Endhoke undu viseshangal?
 
@Darknight Hi
 
@Shoban , sugamayi povunnu
 
Has anyone worked with Unified Comunications Ajax API?
 
@DrTJ , oh ... sorry......
@Shoban ... no....!!!
 
8:30 AM
@Pramodh no problem
 
eba
is it possible to catch .net exceptions, from unmanaged code?
 
@Pramodh i'm trying to learn Hindi
 
oh... fine ... superb
 
anybody here who has prev worked on vb6?
 
@DrTJ , and that was not hindi............... malayalam
 
8:32 AM
@jaminator I was working about 5-6 years ago
@Pramodh about malasia?
 
@DrTJ , no its a language
 
ok great Dr TJ, i made an application in vb6 now i have given it a product version from project/properties but i noticed the win explorer has two tags for exe a product version and a file version. i want to edit the file version of my app's exe any idea how can i do that? file version should be x.x.x.x
 
okok
very nice
 
@Pramodh Great!!!
thanks
 
8:35 AM
Hello all o/
 
@Sres hi
 
@Sres , hi
 
I should visit here more often, how long has this chat stuff been about?
 
Hands up here, I've worked in VB6, back in the days :)
 
@jaminator Do you mean you wanna change version of app exe file?
@Darknight hahahaha...
 
8:37 AM
I'm new to this chat stuff, this is the first I've seen
Any one know what underlying tech they are using to power this chat?
is it comet? or just ajax?
 
@jaminator why you dont use ResourceHacker?
 
@Dr TJ yes
 
hello
 
@Beatles1692 hi
 
What's up?
 
8:40 AM
@jaminator use ResourceHacker and just open any exe file and change what ever you want from Menu Item Texts and file version and the others
@jaminator Let me find a link of that
 
nice idea Dr TJ
let me try it
 
Reflector.Net is a good disassembler too :)
 
Hands up, if you have two screens, with this one open only and "alt-tab" away ;)
 
but do you know if there's a way that we can get the private key of a signed assembly?
I am stuck with an old exe that we have lost its source :(
 
@Beatles1692 is it working on VB6 exe files too?
 
8:43 AM
nope , it works for dot net assemblies
I thought we were talking about C# :)
 
@Beatles1692 hahahah
yes
 
or am I in the wrong room :)
 
I recall using a VB6 (reverse) dissembler, I'll see if I can remember the name
 
but just one question about VB
 
there are quite a bunch of disassemblres for VB 6 but I have not worked with them
 
8:45 AM
I have used on, and it managed to get the source fairly well, of course some of the names was a bit random, but it was readable
 
@jaminator download this (Resource Hacker) dl.kamyabonline.com/download/program/ResHack.exe
Password: www.kamyabonline.com
 
ok, a quick google, reveals this: decompiler-vb.net
 
are you guys sure that there is no way i can update exe file version from vb6 IDE and only way is too diassemble the exe?
i have the exe dissassebled by the way and it compiling script now
 
Why are you asking a VB6 question in a C# room?
 
@lasse
yes u r right this c# forum, but vb6 forum was dead so i thought give it a try here
 
8:51 AM
you could use Resource Hacker as Dr TJ has already mentionded
 
Please don't type in just @name alone, type a complete sentence. The chat system will beep me when you reference my name, but not when you type subsequent messages
 
that was an honest mistake
 
So I get a beep when you say @lasse, but if you take too long to type the rest of the message, I will switch away
 
sorr Lasse
 
np, just a friendly reminder, that's all :)
As for updating the file version, you can do that by directly altering the exe file
As long as the new version number is the same length as the old one
Unless you sign the file, in which case you need to rebuild it
 
8:53 AM
ok
 
But it'll be a pain to do, why not just rebuild the file?
 
He's probably lost the original source code..
 
Anyone use Devexpress?
 
@lasse : do know if there's a way to find the private key of a signed assembly?
 
Oh, yes, the :( <- DevExpress
 
8:55 AM
yeah i updated the File version using the Resource thanks Dr Tj and others
 
@Beatles1692 Yes, through brute-force, so no, there's no way
 
@jaminator u r welcome ;)
 
@Beatles1692 That would kinda defeat the purpose, wouldn't you say?
I use DevExpress at work
 
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Q: Change my applications's exe file version in VB6

jaminatori made an application in vb6 now i have given it a product version from project/properties but i noticed the win explorer has two tags for exe a product version and a file version. i want to edit the file version of my app's exe any idea how can i do that? file version should be x.x.x.x

 
@Lasse : that's right but when there's a will there's a way ;)
 
8:57 AM
afaik, the signing system in use is using strong cryptographic hashes and PKI, so I doubt you will be able to reverse that
it is probably easier to hunt down the developer of the program and steal his laptop
 
@Lasse V. lol "hunt down the developer"
"Silence of the Lambda's"
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