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5:08 AM
ok I give up on pyobex ... it does not even distinguish between an accepted and a declined file transfer.
Looking for other options : any suggestions ?
 
5:22 AM
Is there any linter or code quality tool for Python that will check my code for places where I don't handle an exception? For example if I have get_foo() and it can raise an exception. So when I do foo = get_foo(foo_id) outside of a try block it will tell me.
 
 
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6:48 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/452018/python-and-bluetooth-obex seems to pretty much exhaust the possibilities with no good answer (and should be closed as off-topic anyway; )
@louigi600 ^
github.com/martinpitt/python-dbusmock/blob/master/dbusmock/… looks vaguely relevant but I don't understand enough about the domain to tell whether it's actually useful
 
 
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8:16 AM
@roganjosh What you are describing isn't particularly different from the PVM (Python Virtual Machine) sharing an object with another PVM. That's a fancy wording for the standard "multiprocessing".
It can be done by having either a shared object server, with the VM's just offering a thin proxy that does IPC API calls behind the scenes.
Or basically as PM2Ring mentioned, it can be done via shared object memory where both VMs access the same memory and interpret the raw data as objects.
@crypticツ I don't know any, and I doubt it would do what you want it to do. Pretty much everything can trigger an exception pretty much anywhere. No program even remotely comes close to immediately handling all possible exceptions.
You might want to read up on checked exceptions if you want to stick to the plan, though.
 
8:44 AM
@Aran-Fey Today's random shower thought: super does a "descriptor lookup" through the MRO and might be feasible for a fast slot lookup.
Haven't tried it yet, but would be interested to know if you see any obvious problems with the approach.
The caveat is that it only looks into parentclasses, so the class itself would need a manual lookup.
 
Interesting idea for sure. I think there'll still be quite a bit of overhead though. It helps you optimized the loop-through-the-MRO part, but everything else (check if it's a descriptor, get its __get__ method, call it) is still there
 
True that. My draft is 13 15 lines long and has two try blocks with a total of 3 exception cases. :/
 
9:02 AM
I didn't expect this to be so complicated... I actually can't figure out how to make it work
Well, never mind, apparently I can. But I don't understand why this works, and it's probably not correct
 
I'm now grabbing field = type(obj).__dict__[field], if that fails with KeyError try super, otherwise manually try __get__.
 
This is my take. What I don't understand is why get(dunder, type(dunder)) works. Shouldn't it be get(get, dunder, type(dunder))?
 
Ooooh, I need more coffee...
Your get is an unbound dunder.__get__(self: Dunder, owner: Type[Dunder]) method.
You don't need to (can) pass the method into the method.
 
9:18 AM
Ooooh. I also need some coffee.
 
list = {"one", "two", "three" "four", "five"}
print(len(list))  # prints 4
 
That's not a moon list.
 
Implicit string literal concatenation: "three" "four"
 
ohh slytherins..
got me again
 
Actually, I feel bad for answering that. Literally the first step of debugging should've been print(list), and then the question would've been "why does this set contain threefour?" instead of "why does this set have a length of 4?"
 
9:22 AM
maybe thinik it like a fun quiz??
 
I discovered another problem: super(cls, cls).foo already invokes descriptors.
 
that's a good thing, isn't it?
 
No, because it does it with instance=None. Best case scenario is that the descriptor returns itself. Somewhere-in-the-middle scenario is that it returns a bound classmethod. Worst case scenario is that it's user-written code that goes KABOOM.
 
My draft effectively runs super(cls, obj).foo, so binding is kind of a bonus.
 
...yeah, ok, that's the smart way to do it
 
9:30 AM
...only if it's actually correct. ^^
 
Yeah I just realized, the correct behavior would be to bypass binding for the __get__
In other words, your descriptor_get = field.__get__ is not correct
On one hand, I'm not sure if it's really a big deal. On the other hand, it's ironic to do it incorrectly in a function whose sole purpose is to do it correctly.
 
Ah, you mean that field.__get__ will invoke field.__get__.__get__(field, type(field))?
 
Yep, and also it might return an instance attribute of field instead of looking it up on the class
I think I've got it: dpaste.com/2W45ZSHWN
 
9:45 AM
@Kevin Hope you find something great very soon :D
 
Could potentially throw in an optimization that skips the _unbound_slot_get if the descriptor is a function or classmethod or staticmethod
 
10:01 AM
The MRO loop in _unbound_slot_get is making my spider sense tingle again. ^^
This really is much more complicated than I expected. :/
 
You can skip that 99% of the time if you throw in a
if dunder_cls in (types.FunctionType, classmethod, staticmethod):
    return dunder.__get__(dunder_cls)
Turns out I can't use the super-fast-track in my library because it has a pesky feature where it throws an exception if the descriptor is None :(
...or should it be return dunder.__get__(instance, cls)? I'm too tired for this
 
I haven't read through all of a it, but as a random suggestion have you looked at inspect.getattr_static?
 
Oh lord, looking at the inspect source code made me realize how much I'm still doing wrong
 
At least the docs for it point out that I was using the descriptors wrong...
 
def _static_getmro(klass):
    return type.__dict__['__mro__'].__get__(klass)
 
10:17 AM
Oh my... I think I'll brush up my C instead...
 
Ah, getattr_static can return instance attributes, so it's not super useful for what we're doing
Hmm, this exception handler has me puzzled... how can an MRO entry not have a __dict__?
Actually, I don't understand that function as a whole
 
Some of the builtins don't have __dict__.
dict_attr.__get__(list)["__dict__"] fails, for example.
 
10:33 AM
Oops, sorry, I was looking for the white magic chatroom.
 
I think there's some mold growing on some of my older dark magic experiments. They're practically white now.
 
Wait, so some classes have their own __dict__ slot? I thought they all inherit it from type
Like, you can do type.__dict__["__dict__"].__get__(list) and get a dict as the result. Why do you look up the name '__dict__' in that dict?
 
Some classes just don't have an instance __dict__, is what I think that is.
# this is fine
list.__dict__
# this is fine.gif
list().__dict__
 
Yeah, we're deep in "type is an instance of type" territory now
 
Is it alarming to think "a lot of my problems could be solved if file name extensions would support the descriptor protocol"?
 
10:39 AM
I'm tempted to try and understand descriptors one more time, but I fear for what lies at the end of the rabbit hole
seeing what this does to fellow highly intelligent creatures
 
Can I interest you in our Descriptor and Metaclass?
 
Descriptor TL;DR: A descriptor is essentially a property. It can have a getter, setter, and deleter function. (It doesn't have to have all 3, just one is enough)
class Descriptor:
    def __get__(self, instance=None, cls=None): ...
    def __set__(self, instance, value): ...
    def __delete__(self, instance): ...
 
Nice try, I'm not listening. La la la la...
And what if a descriptor has a descriptor? (I know, that's part of this rabbit hole :P)
 
If a descriptor exists in a class, and you access it as an attribute, then python will automatically invoke the corresponding method of the descriptor. Example:
class Class:
    descriptor = Descriptor()

# Class().descriptor calls descriptor.__get__(Class(), Class)
# Class().descriptor = 5 calls descriptor.__set__(Class(), 5)
# del Class().descriptor calls descriptor.__delete__(Class())
 
@AndrasDeak 😭
 
10:45 AM
And as a special case, the __get__ is also invoked if it's accessed through the class. I.e. Class.descriptor calls descriptor.__get__(None, Class)
 
@Aran-Fey wait, so "it's a descriptor" literally just means that it has __get__ and optionally the other methods?
 
I think it doesn't have to have a __get__, just any one of those 3 methods
 
and a property is just syntactical sugar for creating one
@Aran-Fey huh
 
@AndrasDeak Actually, a property is a specific implementation of a descriptor, just like a list is a specific implementation of an iterable.
 
Does this also mean that all descriptors could be created with properties, by also defining setters and deleters?
@MisterMiyagi I guess that's a no
I know I could just read the "descriptor protocol" part of the docs, I just haven't bothered yet to do so :P
 
10:48 AM
I guess actually yes.
property is a very generic beast.
 
@MisterMiyagi oh no, it's beginning. Yes what? :D
 
@AndrasDeak Sort of, kind of, not really. A property always has all 3 of those methods; so you can't use a property to create a descriptor with only a __set__ method, for example
 
property can be used to implement any kind* of descriptor.
 
@Aran-Fey gotcha
@MisterMiyagi that too
thanks
 
property can also be instantited. You're not required to use it as a decorator.
class C(object):
    def getx(self): return self._x
    def setx(self, value): self._x = value
    def delx(self): del self._x
    x = property(getx, setx, delx, "I'm the 'x' property.")
You could skip the getx if you feel like it.
 
10:50 AM
And there's actually a distinction between descriptors with only a __get__ method and other descriptors (data descriptor vs non-data descriptor, but I can never remember which is which)
 
Data is with more than just __get__, IIRC.
 
@MisterMiyagi that rings a bell from the docs
Why is a python-reference readthedocs on the top of my duckduckgo search hits? Ugh.
 
In [65]: property?
 
AttributeError: 'property' object attribute 'deleter' is read-only
such a shame
@MisterMiyagi I have been let down by stdlib docstrings so many times I no longer try
 
I can get the IPython shell via muscle memory, but not docs.python.org :/
 
10:54 AM
@AndrasDeak deleter is not the droid you're looking for. That's the equivalent of @prop.setter. The deleter function is stored in the fdel attribute
 
hmmm
ah, right, this is the decorator
 
It's still readonly though
 
that's what I'd expect :)
actually, I was probably trying to get at prop.__set__ directly
> To see how property() is implemented in terms of the descriptor protocol, here is a pure Python equivalent:
def __set_name__(self, owner, name):
    self._name = name
this also tells me that there are descriptor things that properties can't do
and the glossary says "Any object which defines the methods __get__(), __set__(), or __delete__()". Quite clear.
> Understanding descriptors is a key to a deep understanding of Python because they are the basis for many features including functions, methods, properties, class methods, static methods, and reference to super classes.
*sad numerical programmer noises*
 
Wait, reference to super classes? Wot? O.o
 
@MisterMiyagi do you use the in/out dicts, by the way?
 
11:02 AM
super works via descriptors, doesn't it?
@AndrasDeak Nah. To me that's just how the IPython shell looks and I never bothered tinkering with it.
 
after years of being annoyed with them, and not having syntax highlighting with --classic, I ended up looking into customising my prompt. Now it's classic >>> style with highlighting.
 
Oh, I think they're saying "cls.__base__ is a descriptor that returns cls.__mro__[1]"
 
In case you need it, I just added this to the corresponding block in ~/.ipython/profile_default/ipython_config.py:
c.TerminalInteractiveShell.prompts_class = 'IPython.terminal.prompts.ClassicPrompts'  # same as ipython --classic, but won't affect syntax highlight etc.
 
for i in df_n.columns:
print('Minimum is {} and maximum is {}.'.format(df_n[i].min(), df_n[i].max()))
 
Already the interplay of descriptor vs owner class vs instance is a bit confusing...
 
11:07 AM
How to print column names as well
 
@Huzaifa print i as well...
 
Let me try
 
look at df_n.columns on its own
 
Okie dokie
Thanks
 
no probelm
 
11:09 AM
:)
Is this chatroom 24/7?
 
It's not active 24/7 but the transcript is persistent for eternity*.
 
Thanks
 
people are usually around during Europe/US working hours
 
So uh, anyway, I take it that object.__getattribute__(cls, '__dict__') isn't the correct way to get the class dict?
 
Great.
 
11:13 AM
@Aran-Fey Can I call may lawyer before answering that?
 
As long as you promise not to sue me
 
> Python methods (including those decorated with @staticmethod and @classmethod) are implemented as non-data descriptors. Accordingly, instances can redefine and override methods. This allows individual instances to acquire behaviors that differ from other instances of the same class.

The property() function is implemented as a data descriptor. Accordingly, instances cannot override the behavior of a property.
OK, that's starting to make sense vis-a-vis yesterday's discussion about monkeypatching instance methods
Hmmm, is the whole "self is implicit first argument" related to methods being descriptors? And if I want to replicate that with an instance attribute binding instance.meth = new_method then I have to create a descriptor myself?
 
Yes to the first, you-canna-do-that to the second.
 
ah, that's a relief
 
Descriptors aren't called when looked up on the instance.
 
11:19 AM
Ah, right. Ugh.
So is it true that you can only get the instance to be passed as the first argument when a function (method) is properly defined inside the class body?
 
There are probably some ways to cheat around it, but under normal conditions yes.
The self is bound by function.__get__
 
Yeah, I only have reasonable approaches in mind. Thanks.
@MisterMiyagi but that's only triggered on the owner class. Gotcha.
 
So evidently object.__getattribute__ is indeed incorrect because it invokes descriptors, which I don't want. For classes I can get the dict with type.__dict__['__dict__'].__get__(cls), but how do I do it for instances?
I would've thought that there has to be a __dict__ descriptor somewhere in the MRO, but I can't find one in object or in my class
Well, I can find one in my class, but that's the one I don't want to call
 
Isn't type.__dict__['__dict__'] that descriptor?
 
That only works on classes
>>> type.__dict__['__dict__'].__get__(Foo())
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
TypeError: descriptor '__dict__' for 'type' objects doesn't apply to a 'Foo' object
There actually is a __dict__ descriptor in a custom class:
>>> type.__dict__['__dict__'].__get__(Foo)['__dict__'].__get__(Foo())
{}
The problem is that I can't access this if someone overrides it
 
11:38 AM
I don't expect that there's a "root descriptor" for object.__dict__. It's only added for subclasses without __slots__, there's no common base.
 
class Foo:
    __dict__ = property(lambda _: KABOOM)

print(type.__dict__['__dict__'].__get__(Foo)['__dict__'].__get__(Foo()))
 
oof
 
No, foo.
 
fair enough :P
 
I'm starting to fear that there's no way to access the original __dict__ slot without access to the C API...
 
11:41 AM
The road to hell is paved with descriptors.
 
@Aran-Fey Yes, it's important to remember the interpreter will, of necessity or through lack of foresight, occasionally use access techniques unavailable to the Python programmer.
 
In before Aran-Fey develops a library to expose these internals with a python API...
 
Expose them? No. Use them? Yes.
 
FWIW, that's basically why I have a skeleton for a Cython version of asyncstdlib. Implementing a proper aiter is much simpler with C access, for example.
 
Skelethon
 
11:47 AM
Py_TYPE(__subject).tp_as_async.am_aiter(__subject)
And that's only so long because async was patched into an unused slot when they added it to Python.
 
Descriptors scare me
 
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cbg everyone. Are we still on descriptors?
 
@AndrasDeak soothing
 
If you stare too long into the abyss, you'll see descriptors
 
11:54 AM
I can't even find the definition of PyObject_GetAttr in the source code :|
 
@AndrasDeak Scary font
 
Wait a minute, this has to be possible from python... getattr_static does it
 
...or does it? I honestly don't know what's going on anymore
class Foo:
    __dict__ = property(lambda _: KABOOM)

foo = Foo()
foo.bar = 7
print(foo.bar)  # 7
print(inspect.getattr_static(foo, 'bar'))  # AttributeError
@AndrasDeak thanks
If I understand correctly, that 7 is stored in the actual __dict__ of foo, and getattr_static is too stupid to access it?
 
If you need a clueless outsider's take: yes, that's what it looks like
assuming getattr_static is supposed to look up instance dicts
> Note: this function may not be able to retrieve all attributes that getattr can fetch (like dynamically created attributes) and may find attributes that getattr can’t (like descriptors that raise AttributeError). It can also return descriptors objects instead of instance members.
Isn't the first part this case?
 
12:07 PM
Hmm. Maybe? Isn't every attribute in python "dynamically created" though?
 
I'll ask Miyagi's lawyer
That half sentence is meant to say something, and foo.bar = 7 looks somethingy
 
Spoken like a true physicist! ;P
 
I have time series data of patients where each row represent a hourly record of patient. There are multiple
rows/records of each patient. I am trying to make age categories using this code.
df_n['AgeCatg'] = pd.cut(df_n['Age'], np.arange(9, 90, 10), labels=[f'{x}-{x + 10}' for x in np.arange(10, 89, 10)])
But the problem is it deal each row as an individual patient. There are 40k patients and 150k rows.
I want age categories be made as per patient ID (P_ID). Is it possible?
 
(Running on tio.run now)
foo.bar = "potato potahtoe"
print(foo.bar)

import gc
print(gc.get_referrers(foo.bar))
I don't see a dict in there
[['__dict__', 'property', '_', 'KABOOM', 'Foo', 'foo', 'Foo', 'foo', 'bar', 'potato potahtoe', 'print', 'foo', 'bar', 'gc', 'print', 'gc', 'get_referrers', 'foo', 'bar'], (<code object Foo at 0x7f8b7f395150, file ".code.tio", line 1>, 'Foo', 'potato potahtoe', 0, None)]
Wouldn't the hypothetical dunder dict show up here?
@Huzaifa you probably have to use groupby but I'm not a pandas user
 
Yeah, it should. No idea why it doesn't. If you set foo.bar = object(), you get an empty list returned, even though you can still access it as foo.bar
 
12:18 PM
So there's no instance dict
now I wonder what pypy does...
 
Where's the object stored, then?
 
somewhere in C land
[<__main__.Foo object at 0x00007f24b46b2100>, <frame object at 0x00007f24b468ebc0>, (<object object at 0x00007f24b4d0c2e0>,)]
^ pypy with an object() attr
 
And yet there's still no dict in there. Weird
 
@AndrasDeak Yeah you are right. I need to use groupby. But how? Trying to figure it out :D
 
I guess objects in pypy don't really have a dict, they only pretend to
 
12:24 PM
Guess we have to check what STORE_ATTR does
 
Just wondering, do CPython objects have a real dict __dict__ anymore? I remember some talk that hinted at keys being shared between instances.
@Aran-Fey True. PyPy objects usually act as if there are hidden __slots__ – in fact adding __slots__ doesn't change their memory layout. I think it's one of the "standard" PyPy dict strategies, though.
Ah, yes. Here's PyPys class dict strategy. Thank god it's not C, eh?
 
I think I rolled a nat 1 on my comprehension check
 
12:39 PM
Dict incomprehension...
 
You know what, I think I'll just stick to my object.__getattribute__
 
Just make sure to add the part about WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT and you'll be fine
 
 
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3:01 PM
Can someone take a look at this answer? What's the rule on copying code from another site, but linking to that site? I guess it's okay, but I'm not sure...
 
Nobody would've ever found out that it's plagiarized if they hadn't linked the original source, so it feels wrong to punish them for it...
 
It cannot be plagiarized if they link the source. It is specifically "Plagiarism is presenting someone else's work or ideas as your own" which they clearly can't do if they link to it
 
"taken from here <link>" == the opposite of plagiarism
 
3:16 PM
Right, but we're also not supposed to make an answer solely from an external source. I don't know. I let it pass.
 
3:26 PM
I don't think it's particularly egregious in this case, especially when they hint that they modified it to the specific use-case (I haven't cross-reffed to see what changes they actually made). I can imagine plenty of questions I've had where they'd be answered directly by the docs but I wouldn't have found it because I didn't know the term I was trying to search for. Leaving it be seems the easiest option, as you picked :)
 
3:42 PM
@MattDMo it's OK for SO as long as licensing is OK
Otherwise you couldn't answer RTFM questions
and intra-SO copies are wrong because those should be duped instead
 
I often don't answer RTFM questions, except in comments
 
In a way, that's even worse :P
 
Yes, but not necessarily because the answer would be a direct quote, but because OP needs to bother looking
Imagine a quote from the standard answering lots of C questions
 
Right. I haven't actually said "RTFM" in a while, but I have in the past <hangs head>
 
Decently sure there are, like, a googolplex of dupes for that question...
 
3:46 PM
Such an answer could still be crap, but not plagiarised at all
 
 
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Wow, that comes out to 99$ per hour
 
Contractors in London can get ~approx that wage, but that's a push. It certainly wouldn't be anything close to an average in the UK. Even with Silicon Valley aside, that's one hell of an average pay figure
To the point that I'd wanna call bull. I don't know how you could get those figures
 
I don't see "average" in that sentence
 
It's surely implied? Otherwise, they pick the high-end figure without remarking on it? They're talking about the whole category - "developer"
 
I mean if they want to make a point that the latter is so much cheaper, they could use "as much as" for the first figure and "as low as" for the second figure while being technically correct
 
6:43 PM
Yeah, agreed. It's a sensationalist figure that doesn't really help with their narrative
In any case, it's interesting to consider wages in a per-minute fashion (which I hadn't done before, and it's definitely different than looking at wages in a per-hour basis). If you imaged some poor soul stood next to you feeding those coins in every minute to keep you running
Or, it's interesting to me, at least
 
my workflow is so diffuse that I can't really apply that kind of breakdown
 
You could, based just on contracted hours, though? That's all I'm doing. Back-of-envelope division to get a rough figure. We have to report our ours on a per-customer-project basis each week and I never know what to put because... well, am I working now? Probably; I still have all my servers running and crunching numbers, and it's way past my working hours
 
of course I could, but it would be meaningless
 
It would be inaccurate, but I'd argue that it isn't meaningless when you think about what your time is theoretically worth per minute
I spent the weekend fighting this stupid lunch break issue all over again. I can't decide whether that was work, or pride being blended in with what I'd just do for my own curiosity in the first place. I'm talking about a nominal cost-per-minute, not what you actually do
 
7:01 PM
Did you take lunch breaks while fighting the issue?
 
7:14 PM
I couldn't take that which I couldn't offer to others
 
It only counts as developer time if you're pressing a key on your keyboard. If you're just sitting there thinking, you're an office decoration
So if you take your day's wages and divide it by the 45 minutes or so where your fingers are actually exerting force on keys, then that's your true developer-minute
 
This is discrimination against developers who type with their nose!
 
Hmm, symbiotic relationship with nasal demons?
 
Crushing their home doesn't sound very symbiotic to me
 
7:36 PM
@roganjosh Sorry, I'm out of the loop. What's the "stupid lunchbreak issue," please?
 
@holdenweb Ah, I was bemoaning work stuff with simulations, not my own lunch breaks. It starts here chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/6?m=53793609#53793609
 
Ah, right - I did catch that, but didn't connect it to the above. I presume this relates to truck scheduling and driver restrictions?
 
Yep. I've tentatively fixed this new incarnation of the problem
Our next expo is coming to London in April @holdenweb
 
8:45 PM
I'm hoping it will cost me a lot of money to take a day off by then ;-)
 
 
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9:50 PM
Hmm, has something changed about sphinx html themes recently (In the last 2 years)? My self-made theme isn't working properly anymore
Wait, I can just compare a fresh build to my online docs
 
sphinx is a mistery to me
so is the spelling of "mystery"
 
If you solve all mysteries as quickly as the spelling of "mystery", you should get a job as a detective :P
Also, the answer to my question is yes. Yes, the HTML is very much different now. What joy.
 
If there's anything we know about English, the obvious culprit is never the right one...
You probably only have to check stuff above sphinx-doc.org/en/master/… . You're welcome.
2.4.0 -> 4.3.2?
 
I don't trust the sphinx documentation enough to even bother going through the change log. For a documentation tool, it's surprisingly poorly documented.
 
Versions almost doubled in 2 years :P
 
10:00 PM
Honestly? Not a bad move. They have plenty of work and cleaning up to do. The thing's a mess, although that mostly applies to the under-the-hood stuff.
...which, apparently, hasn't gone through quite as many changes as the frontend. I have written a bunch of "plugins" that monkeypatch various sphinx internals, and only one of those broke. Was like a 5 minute fix.
 
@AndrasDeak maybe you meant misery
 
there were a bunch of "html theme" changes in 3.1.0. And CSS/JS stuff being incompatibly moved around in 4.0.0b1.
of course assuming that the release notes are complete
 
@WayneWerner I think he misspelled MysterMyiagy
 
Yeah, sphinx themes have changed tons. I'm not even that involved with it, but I do know that over at Salt we ran into quite a few issues trying to upgrade
 
@WayneWerner maybe... but partly of my own fault
 
10:04 PM
Well, for most people writing documentation is a misery ;)
 
@Aran-Fey heh
 
Sphinx certainly contributes to that experience...
 
My last gripe with sphinx was that there seems to be no documented way to disable highlighting for search results. Horrible feature to begin with.
The one workaround I could find hacks the CSS to make highlight colour transparent, keeping the highlight param in the URL. It works but ugh.
 
Yeah, that's sphinx in a nutshell. Something that should be configurable requires a dirty hack.
 
of course I assume "PRs welcome"
 
10:09 PM
I just realized the highlight thing doesn't work in my docs. I don't think that was intentional...
 
Effortless success!
Myiagy's highlighting works, you can ask him for tips :P
 
That'll be the highlight of his day!
...I'll excuse myself
 
you should've taken the high...road
 
I feel like we haven't done bad jokes in a while
 
that yodelling one yesterday kind of made up for a whole month
 
10:20 PM
oh my god, that almost made me spit out my food hahaha
 
10:55 PM
I feel like you're mocking me. I was just doing my job as a reporter :/
Fwiw the person that came up with it was roundly shunned, if that gives you a sense of justice :D
 
Don't worry, I think it was a good bad joke
 
Alas, I have no good bad jokes from today. We typically open a Friday meet with a bad joke, but they're not reportable in any way. They just... unfortunately exist
 

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