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wim
5:00 PM
@AnttiHaapala details?
 
@wim apparently it cannot load files that are in a directory that doesn't have an __init__.py there.
which is quite annoying
 
wim
>>>> L = []
>>>> M = 1*L
>>>> N = M*1
>>>> L is not M is not N
# ^ guess the output
@AnttiHaapala really? that would seem a glaring oversight
 
I'm gonna go with False, even though it should be True
 
5:03 PM
I'm too staggered by the fact that 1*[] is legal
 
I'd imagine that's a special case of [1]*2
 
>>> L is not M is not N
True
 
I guess that's what I get for overthinking
 
I dont think that's how guessing works
 
Reminds me of how in C, if arr[x] is legal syntax, then x[arr] is also legal syntax.
Doesn't matter where the int goes, it just gets added to the pointer either way
 
5:05 PM
I just saw that recently
and it confused the hell out of me
 
Just so im clear in my head, L is not M is not N translates to (L is not M) and (M is not N) yeah?
 
Yeah
 
ok sweet
 
@ParitoshSingh thanks, I was trying to parse that, too
 
wim
no surprises here (double bluff)
 
5:07 PM
Have we just inadvertently ushered in a new age where x = y*1 is the new and cool way to do x = y[:]?
It's one less character and therefore better /s
 
wim
Maybe - I am not sure if 1*L and L*1 always returning copies of L is implementation detail or not, though
 
I am also not sure of that.
 
I imagine it's not implementation detail, just because this reminds me of the explanation written for the mutating checkerboard layouts
Ofcourse, it would help the discussion if i could actually recall what the explanation itself was
 
whoa whoa! The only way for any a is not b is c to be False is if a is a bool
 
i will admit i kept trying to parse "any" as part of the code for the last 1 minute
but shouldn't many other cases make that statement false as well?
or did i misunderstand you
 
5:12 PM
So even though I'm surprised that 1 * L is allowed, the test itself is guaranteed to be True not matter what... unless b is c and a is True OR b is not c and a is False
 
@piRSquared I think you may not be taking operator chaining into account
 
a is not b is not c equivalent to a is not (b is not c)
 
is it really? o my brain.
a is not b is c i was mentally parsing as (a is not b) and (b is c)
 
per my (possibly inadequate) testing
 
>>> a = "foo"
>>> b = 1
>>> c = 2
>>> a is not b is not c
True
>>> c = 1
>>> a is not b is not c
False
 
5:14 PM
b is c*
 
Or, maybe I'm misinterpreting your claim
 
a = 1
b=2
c=3

a is not b is c
Out[1]: False
 
My claim is a bit off. but there is something goofy going on
disregard for now (-:
 
"is" and "is not" and "in" and "not in" often take people by surprise because they permit operator chaining despite not being inequalities
 
I think (a is not b) and (b is c) is correct
as the "interpretation/resolution" of what you wrote
 
5:19 PM
the output of ast.parse is less than helpful
 
user10984358
I could just test this, but what if I have a file (numpyImporter.py) which has only one line import numpy as np and if I do import numpyImporter in another file say main.py can I use np.array and stuff?
 
no
 
I think of it as one of those quirks of the language that isn't cost-effective to forbid
 
but you can use numpyImporter.np.array
 
user10984358
TIL :)
 
5:21 PM
@TheNamesAlc also: from numpyImporter import np
 
kevin'd
 
@wim resources.read_text('pkg', 'templates/subdir/bar.html')
fails with an explicit exception ValueError: 'templates/subdir/bar.html' must be only a file name
even though
pkg.__loader__.get_resource_reader('pkg')
reader.open_resource('templates/subdir/bar.html')
works, for example
yes it is all over there
#"!¤!#"¤"!#¤"!#%#¤&#"¤%"!#¤
 
Sounds like I made a good decision just doing with open(os.path.join(__file__, "stuff", "myfile.txt")) as file: 👍
 
@Kevin yes! at least you cannot go wrong with it.
 
Except for the several cases where it can go wrong, that wim explained to me yesterday
... But it's not as if I really need my package to be runnable while it's in a zip
 
5:32 PM
@Kevin but at least it is right sometimes
unlike the importlib.resources which is so braindamaged that it is never right.
 
:-)
It only needs to be right twice -- once on this computer, and once on my other computer.
 
I thought packaging could be done via zipped or compressed files and that something with os.path would bork because it is assuming the resource is an actual file.
The point of the resource thingy is that it would manage that for you. Fuzzy memory on the topic.
 
@wim I.e. it is clearly broken as designed.
 
@piRSquared Yep, that's my understanding too. But since my package is just for my own personal use, and I know I'm not going to compress the file, I'm fine with using os.path
 
I might too from now on
 
5:42 PM
If I was putting this up on pypi I'd probably put in the extra effort, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
oh! is there an effort threshold to put things up on pypi?
 
I'd say the threshold is proportional to how good the name is. If you're claiming a really good name like requests, then you should be at least as good as every other request-handling library vying for the title
(to pick a totally random good name -- no shade intended towards requests)
 
wim
@Kevin using os.path is only one part of the picture
can you create a wheel and/or an sdist which correctly packages your resource file, and puts it into a place where the code can read it? that's the tricky part.
so you are not even seeing the difficult part if you get your code by e.g. cloning the repo
 
"Can you create a wheel and/or an sdist" -- no, I cannot
 
wim
so, finding the file is the easy part
the hard part is the installer putting the file in the right place (i.e. the packaging)
 
5:49 PM
@AnttiHaapala So... are you saying that /build volume is not suppose to be kept around? and delete the cache container after build?
to have latest versions of dependencies if needed
 
@overexchange that is exactly what I am not saying.
 
why do we need /cache to be kept around? when /build has all dependencies required...
 
@overexchange because it is the cache
 
But the pip install commands are relying on /build but not on /cache as given: pip install --no-index -f /build -r requirements_test.txt
in test.sh file
So.. what is the advantage of storing dependency files in /cache?
 
6:25 PM
cbg
@Kevin so all the work stuff i've done that you all have helped with until now....now I get to combine it all. So trying to figure out the GUI and threading is getting interesting to say the least.
 
wim
he talks a bit about the package structure from 8:30 on
 
Threads and event-based programming are easy once you realize that spacetime is curved
 
wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey
 
For best results, enter a monolith and become an omniscient starchild
 
@wim I still do not get why
 
6:28 PM
It seems like there are hundreds of ways to to it, just trying to figure out which is best for me.
 
The best way is whichever one that works
 
I have a realtime thing going in the back and I'd like to update the GUI every so often. I'm assuming that threading is my best bet.
 
wim
@AnttiHaapala I don't really get it either to be honest
 
@biggi_ That's what I would use.
 
Saw one example that puts the defs into classes and then does subclass threading which seems interesting.
 
wim
6:29 PM
probably distutils fault somehow :(
 
It is like "this is a deliberate choice because I'm into S/M"
 
wim
or maybe they wanted to avoid users accidentally creating namespace packages
 
Then another that consistently uses the root.after to call stuff XD
 
I think I subclassed Thread once because I was annoyed that you can't set create a thread and set its daemon flag in one statement
 
@AnttiHaapala is that Storage/Memory?
 
6:30 PM
@inspectorG4dget yes! that's it!
 
class Daemon(Thread):
    def __init__(*args, **kwargs):
        super().__init__(*args, **kwargs)
        self.daemon = True
Tadaa, by writing four lines I saved myself two lines later... Hang on.
 
Since 3.3 you can pass daemon as a constructor argument
 
wim
daemon is an init kwarg
 
@Aran-Fey !!!
 
wim
you been living under a rock?
 
6:32 PM
Yes
This incident may have been pre-3.3 but I can't excuse my present ignorance
 
Hellooo
 
Greetings
 
how is everyone
 
Words of welcome
 
hehe
so im trying to do my midterm and I think if I loop through these 3 parameters I can find the best accuracy. I just dont get how to order this correctly so all 3 params change in each iteration
for bestmin in range(1,10,1):
bestmin=bestmin
for bestmax in (0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9):
bestmax = bestmax
for bestfeat in range(1600,2500,10):
bestfeat=bestfeat
vectorizer = TfidfVectorizer(max_features=bestfeat, min_df=bestmin,max_df=bestmax,stop_words=stopwords.words('english')
That is not indented correctly
 
6:36 PM
copy-paste your code, then highlight and ctrl+k
 
for bestmin in range(1,10,1):
    bestmin=bestmin
    for bestmax in (0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9):
        bestmax = bestmax
        for bestfeat in range(1600,2500,10):
            bestfeat=bestfeat
            vectorizer = TfidfVectorizer(max_features=bestfeat, min_df=bestmin,max_df=bestmax,stop_words=stopwords.words('english')
there we go
 
@Kevin you should read though the Python 3.8+ documentation! :D
 
Hmm, unclear to me what bestmin=bestmin is supposed to do. Assigning a name to itself is usually a no-op
 
me either let me get rid of it
 
takes less than a day to skim through
yea it doesn't do anything there
 
6:37 PM
for bestmin, bestmax, bestfeat in itertools.product(range(1,10,1), [0.1*i for i in range(1,10)], range(1600,2500,10)):
    vectorizer = TfidfVectorizer(max_features=bestfeat, min_df=bestmin,max_df=bestmax,stop_words=stopwords.words('english')
 
hmm didnt change anything so I got rid of it
 
the only place I can think of where such an assignment statement works and does something is in a class body.
@Kevin actually you're incorrect :P
 
also, range(1,10,1) is the same as range(1,10)
 
In the sense that it isn't a no-op, because it doesn't compile down to zero bytecode instructions? Yeah, I'm playing fast and loose with the meaning of "no-op" there
 
from a practical standpoint, no op as in the sense that nothing changed for the values of the end user at the end
 
6:40 PM
thank you
 
kevin: do you have any good examples of how to do threading the right way? again, I have a while loop I'd like to run in a thread while keeping the GUI one up and going
 
now ill figure out how to import itertools
 
now the question is:
how to make
 
import itertools
 
and I got it lol
 
6:40 PM
for i in range(3):
    i = i
    print(i)
make it break and the other work :P
 
hmm the values in bestmin bestmax still arent changing. only bestfeat
 
@AnttiHaapala And in the globals, when referring to a builtin
 
once you go through all the values of bestfeat, you'll get the subsequent values of the other two
try this to understand how itertools.product works:
 
Keep in mind that range(1600,2500,10) will iterate over 90 different values, so if TfidfVectorizer is fairly slow, it might take a while before either of the other two lists tick over to a new value
Oops beaten
 
for i,j,k in itertools.product(range(1,5), 'abc', 'xyz'): print(i,j,k)
@Kevin I'd still say you FKITW'd on that ;]
 
6:44 PM
Ohhh I see how itertools works now
I increased the step to see more clearly
thank you
 
from collections import Counter

class NoNOPAssignments(dict):
    def __init__(self):
        self.counts = Counter()

    def __setitem__(self, k, v):
        if k in self and self[k] is v:
            raise Exception('A NOP assignment!')

        return dict.__setitem__(self, k, v)


exec("""\
for i in range(3):
    print(i)

for i in range(3):
    i = i
    print(i)
""",
globals(),
NoNOPAssignments())
@Kevin ^:P
 
An interesting twist on this problem would be "how can I iterate through all the products of my lists, while ensuring that all items tick over with approximately equal frequency?". Perhaps you could do something like that by tracing a hilbert curve over the space of the lists.
This won't be any faster than iterating over them in the boring way, but hey.
 
@wim so as always if it isn't BDFL/BDEVIL then at least FLUFL is to blame
 
would a graycode enuemeration work? Enumerate a graycode of each list of a given size. Then use that enumerateion to perform element selection
 
"what's gray?"
 
6:48 PM
The reflected binary code (RBC), also known just as reflected binary (RB) or Gray code after Frank Gray, is an ordering of the binary numeral system such that two successive values differ in only one bit (binary digit). The reflected binary code was originally designed to prevent spurious output from electromechanical switches. Today, Gray codes are widely used to facilitate error correction in digital communications such as digital terrestrial television and some cable TV systems. == Name == Bell Labs researcher Frank Gray introduced the term reflected binary code in his 1947 patent application...
it's a way to encode subset selection. There are many graycode generating algorithms that generate subsets in different orders (minimal change, reflective, etc)
 
@inspectorG4dget Neat idea. I think you'd need an n-ary gray code, with n equal to the length of the sublists. Hard mode: what if the sublists aren't all the same length?
 
Kevin, do you know of any good examples of threading to help?
 
@biggi_ I think I wrote a little toy example the last time it came up. I will peruse through the transcript.
 
@Kevin I was suggesting that you'd need n k_i-ary gray codes, where n is the len(set(len(L) for L in args)) and lists of length k_i share a graycode generator
 
wim
@AnttiHaapala I would blame namespace packaging here
 
6:51 PM
i appreciate it :)
 
Well this is frustrating. I iterated through all the numbers but my accuracy is not even close to another person whos doing the same work -_-
 
wim
it doesn't set the stuff that importlib resources uses
 
Trying to do it myself, might be nice to have a kick in the right direction
 
@inspectorG4dget Hmm, definitely worth a shot
 
wim
>>> my_lib.data.__spec__.origin   # is None
>>> my_lib.data.__spec__.has_location
False
my_lib
├── data
│   └── somefile.txt
└── __init__.py
 
6:53 PM
@inspectorG4dget if you have free time can I shoot u some of my code?
 
wim
maybe if namespace packaging can be made less retarded, then importlib.resources will just start working? shrugs
 
@wim the thing is
 
wim
TBH I'm not sure why we even have namespace packaging. Endless source of weird problems.
They should just ratify entry_points instead.
 
@ronwagner free... time...? hmm... now that's an alien concept to me. Bu throw up some code in bpaste or something and we'll keep the conversation going, here
 
reader = pkg.__loader__.get_resource_reader('pkg')
reader.open_resource('templates/subdir/bar.html')
works... for zips and not-zips.
 
6:54 PM
lol gotcha
import itertools
for bestmin, bestmax, bestfeat in itertools.product(range(1,10), (0.1,0.2,0.3,0.4,0.5,0.6,0.7,0.8,0.9), range(1800,2200,100)):
    vectorizer = TfidfVectorizer(max_features=bestfeat, min_df=bestmin,max_df=bestmax,stop_words=stopwords.words('english'))
    X = vectorizer.fit_transform(norm_corpus).toarray()
    transformer = TfidfTransformer()
    X1=transformer.fit_transform(X).toarray()
    text_train, text_test,sent_train, sent_test = train_test_split (X1,y,test_size=0.5, random_state=0)
minus that total comment
I dont understand how to optimize to get acc > 80
 
wim
@AnttiHaapala why you have to pass the package name again ? when you already have the package imported?
 
@wim I guess it works with the package there too.
 
ok so what's the issue with the code?
 
the point is that the open_resource on the resource readers that I've tried works with paths.
 
user12233274
anywhere before you output would be fine. I would put it right after library block. after you are done you can set it back to default with options(scipen=0)John Carty 6 mins ago
 
user12233274
6:59 PM
Can someone help with this issue, stackoverflow.com/questions/58438702/…
 
I revisited an old question/answer of mine and thought I'd rewrite it since the code isn't all that great. Maybe someone's interested in a little coding challenge and wants to join me?
 
wim
@AnttiHaapala doesn't ..
ImportError: loader for my_lib cannot handle <module 'my_lib ... >
 
ah :P
 
wim
my point is that if pkg is a namespace package, how will that work?
 
it isn't a namespace package
 
wim
7:00 PM
because it might have resources in multiple directories
 
it doesn't have to be.
what it says from there on "give the files using the same loader than that package used, please"
that and that only
 
wim
sure, but that might be the reason for not using your suggestion in the first place - the location can be ambiguous
 
in any case, that is what is needed
the corner cases do not matter as much
 
wim
I agree
so, maybe you can just use the get_resource_reader then? it seems to be public?
doesn't seem to pull in pkg_resources at all
 
yes I can use it... but the point is that that should be the default...
not caring about what the path behaviour is, just that give the files located by the same loader that loaded the package x
 
wim
7:03 PM
does it work on windows?
 
pretty sure it does
 
can I make another loop in that code that pics the best accuracy and prints it?
 
this is yet again the case of Python implementing something that Java has had forever, and implementing it incorrectly.
    setImageDescriptor(ImageDescriptor.createFromFile(FooPlugin.class,
            "icons/bar.gif")); //$NON-NLS-1$
this is in the code that I wrote 10 years ago and I am right now debugging as we speak...
 
@AnttiHaapala who is implementing incorrectly? Java... or (it couldn't possibly be) python?
 
python. Python always steals ideas from java without due understanding and totally b0rks them up
just look into unittest, logging, threading, proofs everywhere
 
7:11 PM
Wonder if Kevin is still looking for that example of treading....hopefully it isn't taking him this much time to help :(
 
what?! but but but butb u tbu t python is so pure and awesome. It can't possibly have b0rked something that (hocks and spits) Java got right
 
@inspectorG4dget yes Kevin's threading problem earlier is again an example of code brainlessly ported from Java
 
aha! it was ported from Java. So it was all Java's fault all along
 
no.
Java does not have keyword arguments so it has setDaemon(bool) instead.
Python has keyword arguments, that could be passed into the constructor.
Took until 3.3 for them to figure out
 
wim
LOL
you're right that all these modules copied from java suck
 
7:14 PM
/me sobs uncontrollably, hugging a teddy bear progressively tighter... a look of absolute disillusionment in my eyes... as they turn into dark voids
 
so they should understand why the java thing is like it is and which ones are part of design and which are part of java suckness.
 
wim
it doesn't mean they suck in java (which has a very "noun based" world-view), but that it sucks to just blindly port them to python without thought about making them suit the Python language better pythonic
 
but because they don't understand they copy the java suckness.
and then they break the design.
 
@biggi_ I couldn't find it, so I made a new one: pastebin.com/2u6M5F91
 
Do we not have core developers proficient in both languages?
 
7:15 PM
lol kevin
you crack me up
 
@roganjosh in python world it is a virtue to not know any java.
 
That was the answer I expected :P
 
so it's java's idiocy, it was always java's idiocy; we were fine all along and global warming is a hoax started by airline companies with rich CEOs that wanted to turn all the frogs into happy yams
 
wim
the funny thing is that java is a newer language than Python
 
wait, what?
 
7:17 PM
yeah, but it was backed by Sun... does that make it solar powered?
 
wim
I guess the people that are proficient in java have a hard time of letting go of their "everything is on Object" paradigm when moving to other languages
 
Solaris powered?
 
wim
badum tiss
 
drop that mic
 
wim
> Some people see a problem and think “I know, I’ll use Java!” Now they have a ProblemFactory.
apologies to the original author of the joke, I don't know who you are.
 
7:18 PM
I just send that over the internal slack
 
@wim More like "everything has to be in a class" and "thou shalt not have publicly visible instance attributes." Everything is pretty much an object in Python too, and I'm mostly glad of it.
 
t=0
if acc>tom:
    t=acc
    print(t)
 
@AnttiHaapala I don't know any C but it strikes me as a bit strange that C could be such a baseline language and doesn't have some established approach to do the things that Java is doing. My impression is that C doesn't go for convenience in any way, but is it not the case that someone could look at a Java feature and say "we have this 10,000 line block of C that does the same thing"?
 
I am trying to store my accuracy there and compare it to the next one
if its greater then the previous then print it
I know its not right
 
@Kevin so you don't have to use root.update?
 
7:21 PM
it should be acc>t*
 
Such that it's then just a case of getting the python syntax to drop down into the mega C algorithm
<is aware that this is perhaps excruciatingly naive>
 
@biggi_ Nah. AFAIK, root.update is conventionally used when the main thread is executing a function that might take a long time, and you want to process the contents of the event queue so it doesn't get bogged down. But in my example, the only function that runs in the main thread returns almost instantly, so the normal event loop should happily continue executing.
 
Gotcha. My while loops that I'm doing is going to take a while, but I won't have new data until it finishes anyways
 
I never use root.update in my own code. I consider it a bit of a bandaid, honestly
@biggi_ If that while loop is in the worker thread, then you won't need root.update either.
 
I think it would be where your gettemp is
Which I'm assuming is the worker thread
 
7:25 PM
Yeah.
 
Looks like I've got a fun night ahead. Maybe soon (hopefully sooner rather than later) I'll be doing something different ;)
 
7:39 PM
Just a query on the GM post. "As such we like to hold these open-house meetings every once in a while for the development team to let everyone know what they’re up to". Who is the "development team" here? Does SE/SO get notified of the transcript?
 
I think it's referring to the SOPython development team, rather than anyone officially affiliated with Stack Exchange
 
Right, ok, thanks. I wondered whether CMs had taken an interest in the past and whether it was something they tried to follow for "official"/primary rooms of major languages
 
wim
any 2.7 version for your hack @AnttiHaapala ?
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute '__loader__'
 
It's possible Jon sends news up the moderator grapevine after attending our meetings, but I wouldn't know about that
"Status of Python room upgraded from 'harmless' to 'mostly harmless'"
 
@AnttiHaapala test container is downloading the dependencies in /build and also installing it, where as builder is only retrieving those depdencies without installing it to run: pip wheel.. command. Got it
 
7:58 PM
Hmm, reading the documentation for root.update some more, I'm not really sure when you would ever use it. It says not to call it inside an event handler, or inside a function that could be called from an event handler. But those two cases comprise like 99% of a typical tkinter program.
If mainloop is currently executing, the only opportunity you have to run your own code is inside an event handler. If mainloop hasn't started executing, then the window isn't visible yet, so what events could you possibly want to update? And if mainloop is done executing, the window is closed, so there's no reason to call update there either.
 
Yea I'm not sure. It was on one example that I had read. I'll see if I can find it to post.
 
Maybe it makes sense to use in an application that has multiple toplevel windows with independent event loops... If window A's event loop calls update on window B, then maybe that's fine?
 
8:13 PM
Hey guys can I ask another question
I have instructions in my assign that say "Validate the results with the saved model (Opt_YourName) and the txt_sentoken_validity data"
do I just upload my new data file and run it through my model?
 
@wim try os.system('sudo apt remove python2.7')
it might not do the exact same thing but it would be a good start :P
 
@ronwagner I don't really have a grip on what you're trying to do. Based on the fact you had specific training and testing data (I think?) then you can just run your validation through the model and leave it at that. I don't suppose you could do cross-validation
 
wim
apt: command not found...
 
@roganjosh I had specific training and testing data from a file. I was provided another file with data to use for validation
just not sure how to do that
 
What metric will you you use to define precision/accuracy?
 
8:23 PM
so do I just run the validation set through the same train test process in this model?
 
That's a rhetorical question BTW, it's your assignment
 
ive been using accuracy. Im supposed to turn in f1score acc percision, and recall
 
@Kevin Sounds like you would use this to write your own version of mainloop. Such as when you need to interleave the tkinter event loop with some other, like a message bus polling loop, or a socket polling loop, etlc.
 
its my midterm
 
I did read that. I understand that point better than your problem; you need to research how you will validate your model because that's part of doing a course
 
8:24 PM
got it
 
From my understanding, yes, you just run the validation data through your model. It's up to you to decide on how you want to benchmark its effectiveness
 
So I run it through the whole thing, create a bow model, convert to tf-idf, split train and test set run log reg?
and thats validation?
 
That sounds like you're throwing terms around more than understanding the actual task, at least IMO
 
You are most certainly correct
 
Is this a classifier? I can't piece together the actual task from what I've read
 
8:31 PM
Yes sorry I have a set of pos and neg reviews
and then I use it to classify if samples are negative or positive
 
Right, so maybe you'd want to know about false positives and false negatives?
 
to benchmark effectiveness?
My model right now is doing well at classifying based on the samples im giving it. So im not too worried about it performance. I just dont understand this last portion about validation
 
Genuine question: what do you think validation is?
As a concept
 
checking accuracy
 
That's it? Does it have implications?
 
8:36 PM
We can gauge how effective or acceptable is
 
Does typing not have an annotation for ellipsis?
 
@ronwagner how?
 
by comparing it to a benchmark
 
What if it's novel?
 
im not sure
 
8:41 PM
9 mins ago, by roganjosh
Right, so maybe you'd want to know about false positives and false negatives?
 
I appreciate you @roganjosh
I will look in to that after I submit this
 
@ronwagner At the end of the day, without seeing the entire problem, I couldn't say exactly how I'd validate it, but I think that's something to look into. I'm being deliberately obscure but I'm just trying to make you think a bit more about the problem. I wish you luck :)
 
anyone wanting an old RO after the weekend? :p
 
wim
@Aran-Fey why would anyone want that?
 
Because I have a variable that's allowed to take the value of ellipsis?
 
8:50 PM
@Kevin bad practice to use a grid and just put your widgets there instead of packing?
 
thank you
 
I realize that cases where you want to use ellipsis are rare, but let's assume for a minute that I've found one
 
9:11 PM
@JonClements hmm, have to dust off my chat interface, but I think I can still find the RO button buried somewhere :-)
 
 
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11:49 PM
I switched from my 3.7 altinstall to my new system 3.7, and I keep typing python3.7 every single time
 
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that's what bash aliases are for
 
user3064538
I have
 
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alias py="python3.8 -q -i -c 'import random, time, math, collections, itertools, re, string, sys, subprocess, shutil, json, base64, pickle; from pathlib import Path; from pprint import pprint; from datetime import datetime, timedelta'"
 
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in my bashrc
 
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