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12:08 AM
@user2357112 you're totally right
 
 
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5:35 AM
Wednesday cabbage :)
 
5:57 AM
 
1 more vote to go
 
Good morning :)
 
morning
 
6:12 AM
morning
 
6:32 AM
morning
 
7:00 AM
Morning cbg
 
cbg
 
7:16 AM
does anybody know how to edit a tree view in tkinter?
 
 
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8:49 AM
now listening: dabeaz
and cbg
 
Cbg. What happened to your face again? :P
 
belly rubs for the puppy!
 
Find the number 2*2 squares in a 3*3 grid matrix -> should I answer print(4)??
 
probably not
 
8:54 AM
@AndrasDeak weh hey... someone's in a touchy feely mood today... scooby snacks are fine :)
@Andras how you doing anyway?
 
Bit tired, thanks :) How are you?
@idjaw has the snacks
 
@Andras oh you know... always ssdd :)
 
I figured :P
 
@JonClements you should have come to europython then?
 
Numpy 1.15 released
 
9:00 AM
yup, two days ago or so
 
"When threads sleep, do they dream of kernels?"
 
@AnttiHaapala and discover that some of you guys are actually real? Not sure I'd be able to cope with that realisation :)
 
Hm, that's why I received a "RE :" mail before the original one ._.
 
and what if someone were to discover that you aren't a juv. C. lupus fam.
 
9:04 AM
yes I read that in the "Re :" mail
Here is my inbox :
date 25/07/18 10:53
objet NumPy 1.15.0 released.
 
probably a problem on your side, I'm afraid :)
 
Tomorow I'll be aware of python3.0 release, can't wait for it!
100% on my side
date 25/07/18 10:52
objet Re: NumPy 1.15.0 released.
 
9:44 AM
Hey, does anyone here know 1st1? (Yury)
 
Doesn't ring a bell at all...
 
Do you know anyone who worked on __aenter__ and __aexit__?
I'm in a discussion with some Important People ™ :D
 
Nope... :(
Always glad I can help :) cough
 
Thanks anyway, it was a long shot :D
 
Oh, 1st1 a person, not a library :D (I don't know either, sorry)
 
10:01 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum oh sht
@BenjaminGruenbaum I am in Europython atm, and I'm pretty sure I could find someone here somehow ... :D
 
"Benjamin says hi"
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what do you need to know
@BenjaminGruenbaum ok... Yury will give his talk later here, I can relay :D
he was supposed to give the talk right now in this slot but couldn't
ah noi, I am mistaken,
 
Chaged your profile pic I see...
 
10:34 AM
No repro, according to OP's own answer stackoverflow.com/questions/51510368/…
 
10:49 AM
@AnttiHaapala would be awesome!
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ok, 1st1 was the guy who did __aenter__ / __aexit__
 
hi, do you girls & guys know why some python packages are not avaiable as compiled .wheel files on pypi.org? And I have to compile myself when doing pip install? for example the lxml is not compiled for python 37 for windows
 
I presume the package maintainers haven't prepared wheels for that combination of python version and architecture. 3.7 is very new.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum however I really do not see a question there ;)
github issues are kinda bad for that anyway :D
@BenjaminGruenbaum you can find his email address from his Github profile, he acked it was OK ;-)
or if I run into him I can poke him, but here are some 1200 ppl.
 
11:04 AM
@AnttiHaapala awesome, I pinged him on GitHub, really appreciate it
@AnttiHaapala yeah, basically we're considering doing it for Deno which is like "new experimental Node"
And I want his advice because he seems really smart
Thanks <3
 
@vaultah your picture is more than one colour - who are you and what have you done with the real vaultah! :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum you could add another comment there asking for specific input ;)
anything you wanna ask from MyPy-Jukka ;)
 
@AnttiHaapala what's your GitHub handle?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ztane, but he doesn't know me more than just chatted with him 2 minutes ;) or 1.5
 
11:19 AM
@andras thanks, your answer makes some sense to me, but still, python 37 is out there for 1 months and compiling a package on my PC takes ~1minute so thats still a little suprising for me
 
@AnttiHaapala Tagged here, hope that's ok github.com/ry/deno/issues/408#issuecomment-407721029 - let me know if you preferr it if I edited that message or phrased it differently
 
@inwenis there are some packages that are next to impossible to provide precompiled...
@inwenis however there are now:
numpy-1.15.0-cp37-none-win32.whl (9.9 MB) Copy SHA256 hash SHA256 Wheel cp37 Jul 23, 2018
numpy-1.15.0-cp37-none-win_amd64.whl (13.5 MB) Copy SHA256 hash SHA256 Wheel cp37 Jul 23, 2018
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Your last bullet point got cut off there.
 
@JonClements whatever it is, now both all-black and all-white vaultahs can coexist peacefully together 🤪🤪🤪
 
@AnttiHaapala thanks, there are a lot of precompiled version of lxml, just the verison fo r python 37 is missing. Why is it impossible to provide precompiled packages?
 
11:28 AM
@vaultah ahh... so the voices in vaultah's head are starting to agree more often, is that what you're saying? :p
 
usually the packages are built for the set of interpreters that exist at that time in one go
ah... but the manylinux extension does exist.
 
Apparently this OP here thinks changing a variable will rewrite their source code. That's amazing. Where do people get these ideas?
 
it is slightly easier for linux
 
@Aran-Fey Thanks
 
@JonClements once there was only dark vaultah. If you ask me, the light vaultah's winning
credits roll
 
11:36 AM
@AndrasDeak SNACK TIME
cbg
 
@vaultah it's cringy by itself, and double cringy if no one understands the reference :(
 
Can python overclock my USB fan/ventilator? Thanks.
 
I didn't get the reference, but I have a hunch that it's a Star Wars thing
 
something like import antigravity
 
@vaultah :)
 
11:53 AM
@inwenis huh, it felt much less than a month :)
 
12:07 PM
cbg
 
cbg
 
Anyone see something obvious I'm missing in this numpy question? I've left some comments explaining my confusion. It looks like a floating point issue but then I can easily create a counter example.
 
@roganjosh you're missing that one is an arange and the other is a literal
There's at least two ways to compute a float arange (start + int_arange*dx), or with proper multiplication-addition operations. The two will alone differ, let alone if you put literals in the picture.
a numpy double in an array should be as precise as a python double in a list
 
Ok, I think I understand what you're saying but why do both methods occasionally come back in line? Once they start to diverge in the arange, that imprecision doesn't affect subsequent values
 
In [200]: max(abs(k - round(k,1)) for k in p_times)
Out[200]: 0.0

In [201]: max(abs(k - round(k,1)) for k in time)
Out[201]: 1.7763568394002505e-15
@roganjosh I don't deeply understand floating-point errors so I usually resort to "it's complicated" and lower my expectations
 
12:14 PM
I think your example is enough to satisfy me that it is indeed the case of what's causing it at least
 
Interestingly time == np.arange(0, 101)*step for each point, which is probably why they say to use linspace if you want to be accurate
Hmm...linspace gives the same result. Oh well.
 
That's unfortunate
So really I might just have to rely on isclose for those kind of issues then
 
always!
if you have non-ints, never check for exact equality (unless)
if there's literally no math involved then you can, that's it
 
I'm glad the OP brought that particular issue to my attention :)
 
I mean, 0.1 + 0.2 != 0.3 should be enough of a warning for anybody
 
12:20 PM
True
I'm not sure I understand their issue with isclose though, that solves the issue for me and the default precision is way above the scale of the error in your example
 
Cabbage
 
cbg
 
Yeah, what Andras said. The 1st rule of working with floats is: don't use exact equality comparisons on them. I changed the OP's array name to times, so as not to clash with the module name.
m = {u for u in p_times for v in times if u==v}
print(set(p_times) - m)
#output
{4.1, 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, 1.9, 2.9, 3.9}
 
I was thinking about it and actually I have never done what the OP is doing. What I was not aware of, though, is that this issue could depend on whether you use arange or a python float
 
left a sneaky answer :P
be back later
 
12:33 PM
Having a look through. Speak later
My surprise in all of this was not being able to recreate the issue with np.array([1.9, 1.9]) so that part has definitely expanded my knowledge :)
The only way I can recreate their continuing issue with isclose is to set the dtype=np.float16 which seems unlikely that they actually get 16 bit floats back
 
@ThiefMaster wasn't an octocat.
 
12:50 PM
The greatest trick the octocat ever pulled was convincing the world he isn't an octocat.
 
1:02 PM
@AnttiHaapala lies! 🐈
 
@roganjosh And I'm glad you brought that particular question to the chat's attention
 
Yey, more than one of us learned something :)
 
1:21 PM
recbg
@roganjosh I'm fairly certain OP just missed something with the isclose suggestion
 
Presumably. It doesn't matter now since you got rid of their inefficient list comp approach. I couldn't get past my own misunderstanding to fix the overall approach
 
well, it is confusing...
but actually, OP's new p_times "array" really does look like an array, as opposed to a list. So who knows what its dtype is :D
 
Yeah, the initial one I was sure was an array, Aran-Fey fixed the formatting
 
@T.Nel "[...] so my dupe comment has been removed since the dupe link is the same as my comment [...]" Your second link has interesting info, but it's not close enough to the the new question to be added to the dupe target list because of the myfunc(inner_v) calls.
What I generally do with questions like that is to put them into a comment that says : "Also see [question_link]" so that the link gets added to the list of linked questions and the comment doesn't get eaten if the question is dupe-closed.
BTW, although it is good to encourage people to do prior research, we're supposed to do it in a more welcoming way. ;) Eg "It's a good idea to search for similar existing questions before posting a new question, otherwise your question may get downvoted due to lack of research effort".
 
@roganjosh just for completeness' sake: it doesn't depend on "arange vs python float", it depends on "literal float vs float obtained with arithmetic operations"
 
1:30 PM
Yes, that's a more accurate description
 
I had to do some mocking black magic....I'm hiding it away as Frankenmock.....I just hate what I had to do so much I don't want to give it a legit name. Frankenmock is what it deserves.
 
\o cbg
 
cue "if you made a monster that makes you Frankenjaw"
this too broad needs 1 more vote thanks
 
@roganjosh A float is rarely what it looks like. The only rational numbers that can be represented exactly in floats are of the form p / q where q is a binary power. 0.1 decimal looks like 0.1999... in hex, and the last 9 gets rounded up to A.
t, a = 0.0, 0.1
m = 1<<60
for i in range(12):
    print(f'{i:2}: {int(t * m):x}')
    t += a
# output
 0: 0
 1: 1999999999999a0
 2: 333333333333340
 3: 4cccccccccccd00
 4: 666666666666680
 5: 800000000000000
 6: 999999999999980
 7: b33333333333300
 8: ccccccccccccc80
 9: e66666666666600
10: fffffffffffff80
11: 1199999999999900
typo / resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers stackoverflow.com/questions/51519421/…
 
1:46 PM
@AndrasDeak You're correct....hmmm...so what do I call this monstrosity?
 
Quasimocko?
 
mockosis?
 
mockingjaw?
 
are you going to discard it later? why not just call it x or i :D
 
@PM2Ring yep, makes sense. What was throwing me here was, if you consider `arange` increments of 0.1 like being successive addition, you get the following:
`1.8 + 0.1 == 1.9` (False) while `2.8 + 0.1 == 2.9` (True), while their code failed for both 1.9 and 2.9 and worked for different values. In other words, I was aware of the general issue but I was seeing it manifest in a different way than I was used to
But then 2.7 + 0.1 + 0.1 == 2.9 is False, and I think I'll stop worrying about it there :)
 
2:01 PM
@roganjosh I assume the Numpy writers know enough about floating-point arithmetic to understand that repeated addition is a bad way to do that. :) The usual way is to create an integer range and multiply by the step size so that you don't get cumulative errors.
 
Spotted it and couldn't edit fast enough :P
 
@PM2Ring I checked and indeed this specific float arange gives the same result as start + int_arange*diff
 
Oh yeah, I was just using a simple analogy for "float obtained with arithmetic operations" :)
 
@AndrasDeak Oh. ok.
 
(and the same result as the corresponding linspace)
 
2:04 PM
But if you change my previous code to use multiplication you can see what I mean.
for i in range(12):
    t = i * a
    print(f'{i:2}: {int(t * m):x}')
 
rhubarb
 
wednesday cabbage
 
Noooo, they deleted before I could comment
They need to stop with that idea immediately :(
I have had nothing but horrendous headaches working with Pis for continuous monitoring, and theirs sounds like they want to apply it to something safety critical
 
2:16 PM
@davidism Gone
 
@AndrasDeak I managed to see their name greyed out. You can see I've already left a comment on that question
 
@Aran-Fey interesting question
 
Oh, didn't pay that much attention, sorry :)
 
No, I appreciate it, I only just made the comment.
I think it goes beyond a point of opinion when I have 3 pis doing continuous monitoring and all of them fail more than once a week by this point, I think it's more definitive that it's a bad idea than an opinion
What's more, it was a gradual decline into "completely broken" state so issues might not arise for some time
I've invited them here but I need to go afk for 5 mins
 
2:29 PM
I'll by idling attentively, given that I considered moving our monitoring to raspberries as well.
 
yeah, that's what I am afraid. This thing might go into a Navy ship....and if there's any issues in can come nowhere near the boat. But I have noticed a gradual decline in performance over time.
 
@idjaw dunno if you're into beer, but there'll be the 20th anniversay of Dieu du Ciel brewery on september 8. the lulz could be please by our meeting without knowing.
 
@rainwhole for us, the issue could either be dust or overheating
we got rid of the dust, nothing we can really do about overheating in the space we have available
But the first thing to go is LAN. I didn't have them doing anything too taxing, it was just a little flask server monitoring some machinery and showing the results on a TV screen
The first issue was that I couldn't ping my server, but it would continue displaying on the TV screen
The latest model, B+ does this far faster. Now I can't maintain communication for more than 5 minutes after a reboot. And that also means you have to do a physical reboot
 
@roganjosh yeah I was just doing some further testing just now. And it seems that getting the audio out from the board is causing the radio transmitter to send out this constant messy audio static through the radios in the channel, and it won't stop until I turn off the board.
@roganjosh you mentioned you had a gradual decline in performance with the pi3 over time. I noticed the same thing. Do you know what that is?
why
 
The only thing we can put it down to is overheating
It's in a small electrical cabinet, but that I have had failures on all 3, I would basically instantly rule it out
That said, I did see an article somewhere about a company developing industrial Pi's to replace PLCs. I just have to now remember what they were called
 
2:40 PM
@roganjosh yeah, my board sits inside a hermetically sealed box intended to withstand any form of water exposure. Again, it's intended to be used in Navy vessels and shipyards. So heating does make absolute sense. I am currently using a board designed by a local guy who works with the Pi and CM3. My board is using a CM3 module as the brain of the system.
 
"rule it (Pis) out for your use case". Internet dropped and I can't edit the original comment
What is the motivation for using a Pi specifically?
I don't imagine cost is a consideration for a Navy application that should never fail?
 
@roganjosh my boss wanted to keep the project cheap as possible, and somebody told him the raspberry pi is awesome. It's been a year now working on this thing.
@roganjosh I believe now a micro-controller would be a better route. Glad to see that I am not the only one having this issue.
 
What about this question, they want ISO ratings for heat. Do you not have regulations that the resulting product will have to pass?
I've started another room here before we go too off topic
 
@PM2Ring I tried to not look unwelcoming but this phrasing did not come to my mind.
@PM2Ring I felt like the first link wasn't a duplicate on its own since it doesn't offer the solution with a dict comprehension. But I didn't know about the auto remove feature, so i'll take note of the "also look for" too.
 
2:58 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier added to my calendar. Thanks for the heads up.
Oh btw, in case you did not know of this fairly new one -> 4origines.com/en
 
@rainwhole My company buyed raspberry pi 3 instead of computer since we developped on servers, 1.5 year after it became so slow we abandoned them.
But we are were 3 in the company at the time.
 
3:15 PM
@idjaw oh yeah I clearly did not know it :) thanks!
 
3:37 PM
cbg.
 
cbg
 
3:54 PM
Rb
 
Well, I just spent 10 minutes having a process hang due to calling .recv() on the wrong side of a non-duplex Pipe faceplam. Though, there is nothing like the "ahhh" moment when you solve your issue, the joys of coding.
T.Nel that's a new one. I guess everyone is into code golf these days.
rbrb.
 
if you're having code problems I feel bad for you son, I got 99 problems but a bug ain't one
def jay_z(problems): return len(problems) == 99 and 'b---' not in problems
 
4:24 PM
is selenium total trash or am I the problem?
 
Hard to tell without further details :)
 
trash ... but better than what came before
 
5:03 PM
re-cbg
 
ahoy cap'n
 
5:20 PM
@John I wouldn't call it total trash, but that's just my opinion. I wouldn't call it amazballs either.
 
5:35 PM
cbg, anyone have a recommendation for a good text editor for python. Im trying to learn django and am getting annoyed with switching between files with the normal python editor.
 
@MoxieBall that deserves at least 10 stars
 
Thats what I figured. I had done a bit of reading and it looked like what is used a lot. I do see that the CE doesnt "support" django. Im sure that just means its missing some neat features but nothing too big?
 
@ZackTarr for a project with multiple files, you should get a full IDE instead of using a text editor. PyCharm that MoxieBall also suggested is one of the best.
 
Thats what I was thinking as well. Ive been using the built in stuff since college and figured now is as good as time as any to make the switch.
 
5:39 PM
@ZackTarr I haven't compared the CE version with the paid one. I suspect that lack of django support means that you will still have to run your server, tests, and manage commands from the command line.
 
Kind of a simple question:

Let's say I have two Python files. In my main file which is the entry point to the app, I declare some object like

my_object = SomeLibrary('blah')

I'd like to pass this same object into a second file to be used

How could I do this?
Would I import it from the second file using like import my_object from file?
 
you might be able to get things to work all in PyCharm by manually creating run configurations
 
@Code-Apprentice that would be nice, but for now since I need to learn them anyways its probably best to keep using the command line.
But... I might be wrong then again
 
DSM
Midday cabbage for all.
 
@theGreenCabbage first of all, you should write all of your code inside functions. Don't write any global executable code. If you do this, then you just pass parameters to functions as usual, just be sure to import the function from the second file.
 
5:41 PM
But even if you have to do that, PyCharm is a big step up just for usability, linting, other code inspections, etc
cabbage
 
So you're saying I can just pass my_object into the function instead?
 
@ZackTarr understanding how to do things from the command line often makes it easier to figure out GUI tools...at least if there is a close mapping between the fields you type in in the GUI.
 
Where the function is implemented in my other file?
 
@Code-Apprentice I only ask because it takes the chromedriver 10ish minutes to run driver.get(some_url), firefox seems to be working fine though.
 
@theGreenCabbage I don't know what you mean by "instead". You can pass variables from one function to another no matter what file the two functions are defined in.
 
5:43 PM
@Code-Apprentice thanks I got my answer :)
 
Just got PyCharm CE installed. and I can say it already looks better than what I was doing before. Thanks guys!
 
@MoxieBall not to mention easily navigating between files, classes, and functions
jumping directly to a function declaration from its call is a great feature
 
finding usages via cmd-click and then being able to jump back to where I was before using cmd-[ has probably saved me... minutes
 
6:33 PM
y'know, it's with minutes that you make an hour
 
cabbage
 
cbg
 
6:54 PM
Need a little django help. Im new and its from the tutorial but I can find where I messed up and am getting a "Reverse for 'detail' not found. 'detail' is not a valid view function or pattern name." error. My index file is where I think the error is but I think you need to see the URL file too?
I messed it all up when it tried to walk me through generic views.
Really not sure how to troubleshoot django yet, so let me know if you have some tips. And if I have not shared enough code please let me know as well.
 
7:12 PM
@ZackTarr try question-detail
 
Sadly same results.
"django.urls.exceptions.NoReverseMatch: Reverse for 'question-detail' not found. 'question-detail' is not a valid view function or pattern name."
 
7:30 PM
question-detail isn't in either of those two files, or am I being blind?
I'm not really a django user. Did the development server restart itself after you edited the urls.py file?
@Arne did the earlier discussion clarify the use of Pis for monitoring? :)
I've just seen you're in data ccience. I've seen a few articles hailing Ras Pi as a game-changer on the IoT front but the practical application really doesn't play out how those articles seem to suggest
 
recbg
 
cbg Andras
 
8:23 PM
@roganjosh Yes it did :( still nothing.
 
mmm, scanning the docs, question-detail might not have been a bad suggestion. I find this part of django confusing
(not to say it was a bad suggestion, but I was looking specifically for question-detail somewhere)
 
Hello, i am new to python and working on POC of ATDD framework with Python-Behave.
 
Welcome
 
I am hard time to understand the fixture and its purpose and usage of.
could any one please help me on that topic with some examples.
 
What do you mean by "POC"? I have no familiarity of Behave, but POC leads me to this which doesn't seem particularly illuminating
 
8:38 PM
proof of concept
 
Assumed that but POC also disambiguates to percentage-of-completion and a couple of others that might have been relevant
 
fair enough
 
ok. i meant Proof of Concept.
 
@AndrasDeak "multithreading" comes to mind :P
 
8:56 PM
can someone help me with the below question:- stats.stackexchange.com/questions/358979/…
 
cabbage folks
waiting for build to finish
 
@ak3191 please wait a couple of days if you don't get an answer before asking here
 
9:28 PM
Is it just me or is it nearly impossible to close really simple dupes before an answer is posted these days? Either I'm getting more familiar with the regular questions or there's some new contraption that's speeding up the FGITW
 
@roganjosh Yes, I think we can actually go with it. Our environment is stable/clean/ventilated enough, we need plenty enough that cost is a factor, und if they do have problems nobody dies =)
 
@roganjosh needs more peer pressure
also more delvotes
 
@Arne I tried to look for excuses for why they failed. It could well be that they simply don't work for this application. I definitely oversold the idea, so my advice from my lesson there is to be reserved with the rollout.
 
haha
I'll keep it in mind
 
I love them for their intended purpose but I just haven't found them stable or reliable enough as an alternative for the kit we used and it's left me red-faced having to roll back on that approach
@AndrasDeak this is silly.
 
9:33 PM
ooop, pressured away
 
My god, it actually worked :)
 
What I dislike is the other answer has 3 upvotes for a question that is obviously a duplicate
 
Somewhere along thew way recently, I'm sure there has been a mentality shift of just throwing answers even when its is obviously a dupe to the people who are answering
It does not deserve 3 upvotes. That answer does nothing new whatsoever, it just happens to be right in a single line of basic code
 
@coldspeed yeah, which is why high-reps should delvote the question
doesn't need yet another signpost
 
Sure, I'll do it as soon as the delete button is exposed
 
9:39 PM
Well-considered answers might get 3 immediate upvotes from people that digest the content... the crowd that is throwing upvotes at answers like that have already got bored of a slightly challenging problem and moved on, so the upvote benchmark is a bit of a joke now
 
Maybe... but in this case I have the feeling this was upvoted because people didn't want to downvote the other answer
which is just as bad.
 
I left a comment. I would have followed with a downvote if they didn't fix the issues I stated, but now it's gone
 
@coldspeed ah, 2 days or negative score threshold
 
@coldspeed and that mentality is broken anyway. "I can't downvote the bad answer so I better upvote the horrendously-basic answer instead". There is a "no vote" option.
 
@roganjosh I haven't gotten any work with IOT-stuff yet, so I can't say. I was at one hackathon that revolved around it though, and a rpi-team won that one. Only a concept of course - so again no info on real world reliability.
 
9:54 PM
I took part Biotechnology YES (Young Entrepreneurs Scheme). The winning team (that got them a flight to Vegas from the UK to compete) pitched a biotech idea that invariably killed every person who took their fictitious product. They could also only produce 1ml a minute because they were using an analytical machine (LC/MS) for industrial purification. Be careful of what is sold as a good idea :)
 
Well, I know exactly why they won and our team didn't. Their idea involved the early recognition of earthquakes and how to save children from ruined buildings. Ours involved how to automatically set tea timers so your black/green brew doesn't get bitter while you forget about it.
 
@Arne so in Britain children are more important than tea time? How's that even possible?
 
Turns out saving children lands you more votes in commitees than tasty tea.
 
As a Brit this leaves me with a serious dilemma
 
.. it was germany. Localisation problem, I see. Should have pitched the idea on the isles.
Not even our hilarious product name could save us
IOTeaTime
 
10:00 PM
We didn't have props for our pitch. The winning team used a bag of sugar and a block of butter as props
And some real VCs lapped it up. I can't help but think I left that whole thing a little jaded over the whole investment side of things.
 
Yeah, same experience here.
I mean, we at least got to play with the real thing, in our case these bad boys.
But the reward was something like a handshake from the organizer and a 25$ voucher if you buy for more than 50$ at the local gardening center.
 
ugh, did you really link me to an IoT thing I wasn't aware of? I can't set myself up for failure on that front again :P
 
in CHATLAB and Talktave, Jun 26 at 10:59, by Dev-iL
Words of wisdom: The "S" in IoT stands for Security.
 
and the "R" for reliability.
 
^ drop the Pi idea :P
I think I need a policy of scooping up soviet-era appliances at home so that I can be safe in the knowledge it will work and not start attacking governments as part of a botnet
 
10:09 PM
Yeah, I'm really curious what the first big scandal surrounding IoT will be about.
Just probably just surveillance though.
alright, rbrb for today, still need to cook D=
 
It's already happening? I thought I read about fridges attacking infrastructure?
 
@roganjosh The mental image is probably a lot funnier than what actually happened
 
It's the mental image that makes reality palatable for me :P
 
Don't forget the dishwashers. Because what is a dishwasher worth if it doesn't have a weakly secured wifi router of its own?
 
wasn't there something about microwave-based spionage?
no, that's too absurd for reality
 
10:16 PM
I can't wash pots without some podcast playing to take my mind off the task. Denying dishwashers access to these basic amenities is inhumane
 
 
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11:21 PM
Where Can I ask how certain code works?
Is there a certain website or can I just ask in stack overflow
 
"What does this code do?" is usually not well-received on Stack Overflow. Try reddit or something.
unclear, too broad, probably harmful stackoverflow.com/questions/51471620/…
 

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