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14:00
@JGreenwell: I don't see why I should care much about whether a company is turning a profit or not. Harvard is technically a non-profit and manages tens of billions of dollars.
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@RobertGrant Where do you draw the line in the sand? Should Ireland get paid by Spain or Scandinavia?
Yes, there are problems with the system (though if you look at the actual studies, it's much less widespread than you'd think). But again, what do you replace it with?
scandinavia is ok as well, nordic countries, not so.
@tristan don't try and enrage me with cliches!
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@MorganThrapp Work. There are plenty of low-barrier-to-entry jobs in major cities -- infrastructure, janitorial, basic construction, elder care, parks, etc that you can create a safety net that creates auxiliary benefits.
user559633
14:02
@RobertGrant Same?
What's...what's my cliche?
Do any of those actually pay a living wage for the cities they're based in, though?
user559633
@KevinMGranger Right now, it's subsidized housing and income without any obligations.
I'd imagine you try and target funding at as specific a group as possible; you wouldn't pay a whole country.
And, do those jobs actually exist in the numbers needed, and is there actually the public transit infrastructure to get people to those jobs.
user559633
14:04
@MorganThrapp Taking NYC for instance, yes.
And what about people who legitimately can't work for one reason or another? Physical/Mental.
@tristan Okay, what about my small town 2 hours north of NYC?
@MorganThrapp best not to think about them
I could definitely afford a fractionally nicer car for a lot more money if you don't
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@RobertGrant The notion that a successful society must pay out to others that played in the same system and lost.
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@MorganThrapp Obviously that's different.
@tristan So there's one public safety net for cities and another for small towns?
user559633
14:05
@MorganThrapp I meant different for physical/mental handicaps and support.
Many of those didn't play in the same system at all. They grew up in subsets of that system that absolutely didn't work for them and left them unemployable and at ends with the rest of the society.
@DSM honestly, I'm getting lost in the conversation and should have made that a reply - either way: I don't think you should care as long as the results are good (i.e. quality graduates with a school)
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And yes, there is no system that will work for both large/small cities. The idea is net better, not fixed.
after that it is just getting too hard to follow - and getting swallowed up by tristan being @tristan ;)
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I'll bite. Why should the gov't subsidize someone's decision to live in a high cost-of-living town?
user559633
14:06
@KevinMGranger Eh, some did, but I think that's largely an excuse.
user559633
@DSM ^ Agreed. But that's a far larger entitlement.
@DSM They aren't. It's a much lower COL than NYC where I am.
user559633
@JGreenwell Yeah, I'm distractingly and extremely moderate.
@DSM because moving takes money and can remove you from social / other safety nets
Basically do we want more people in jail for stealing because they have no food, employ more people to check up on benefits, or let some benefits be abused
user559633
14:07
Remove you from other existing social nets that are presumed to need to exist.
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@MorganThrapp: I can speak only of the country I know about, in which there are cost-of-living adjustments to government support.
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@RobertGrant You can give people money for work. The idea is teaching or requiring work for income.
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@RobertGrant: again, I can only speak of Canada, but the number of people in jail for stealing food because they are starving is -- I am confident -- negligible.
@DSM because you allow a certain level of benefits abuse
user559633
If you're talking about America, we allow for a hilarious amount of benefits abuse.
14:08
@DSM we've a long way to go full stop. Country/religion/etc...
Because that's cheaper than housing people in jail and the resulting breakup and further desperation of broken families
user559633
You can use your food stamp card at an ATM.
And also, hopefully, more seen as the right thing to do
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And other less egregious instances.
DSM
DSM
14:09
@RobertGrant: I see no reason to believe the suggestion that what is preventing theft by the starving in Canada is tolerance of benefit abuse.
heck, I received "welfare" for about 2 months
@tristan vocally moderate I would say. Currently I would prefer no government but don't think people are socially evolved to that point and don't know that we will ever be. So am in most things a moderate in philosophy - practicality....gets muddier
@DSM I feel as though I'm offending you and I can't tell why :-)
user559633
@JGreenwell That's a good way to put it, and same. That's why I pick my battles.
user559633
I don't think we can have a meaningful discussion of government benefits across UK/Canada/USA/Small-town USA.
14:11
had to (well - didn't really I guess) leave a job to spend more time with my mum before she passed... destroyed all my savings on private medical care
etc...
user559633
Small-town USA: "What, you want to take Joe's money away from him?"
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@RobertGrant: not offended, just not persuaded.
@JGreenwell some way of defining services required in areas that require no/minimal central coordination and letting businesses genuinely compete for those service contracts would be interesting, but I don't know how that'd work practically
@NinjaPuppy I had to do much the same when my son was born after military (disability and born at 1 lbs - he is fine and growing now) - its been a hard road re-building
So the state picked me up for a bit... etc...
user559633
14:12
I'd assert that you only end up with broken families when you have a pit for poorly-raised young men and women to fall into.
@DSM I mean if you deny benefits completely because you're worried about abuse, then that could happen
@JGreenwell indeed... and that's what the benefits system should be there for...
fibs = 1:1:zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs)
cute
user559633
@RobertGrant lol, when did I ever say businesses should compete for service contracts?
Apologies for not having evidence for that in Canada, it was more like a postulate than the conclusion of a North American social study
@tristan sorry, what?
user559633
14:14
I'm talking about work for income and demanding that people be somewhere during the day.
@tristan bah... go ahead with nerdco - puppyco will be being it up soon :p
@tristan but I'm also allowed to say stuff, right? :-)
@tristan like you, in stack overflow chat :d
@NinjaPuppy yes, though in my case also had a ton of help from Semper Fi Fund and Wounded Warriors which are both private (and awesome) - practicality makes it muddier
user559633
@RobertGrant You responded to JGreenwell, who was responding to me.
user559633
14:14
I think you're offended now? I was just trying to respond to you.
Fair enough
In that case: I'm not sure if you ever said businesses should compete for service contracts.
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Well, that was fun.
user559633
@AnttiHaapala Yeah, except I haven't taken a cent out of another (wo)man's paycheck.
user559633
@RobertGrant Ah, yeah, I thought that's how you interpreted my idea that low skill-barrier entry jobs should be performed by benefit recipients (if they are mentally/physically capable)
No, I just meant how you might have no/minimal government
14:16
@tristan in Finland we have plenty of evidence about that...
US already does that with prisoners, doesn't it? Low-skill jobs or something?
now there are people working for for-profit businesses doing "entry-level" jobs for 9 € / day extra...
... making overpriced design products and such...
user559633
@RobertGrant Oh, I think the jobs would need to be government run, because otherwise, they'd get rapidly competed out of market. The idea isn't to erase the debt created by benefits programs, it's to provide quality of life improvements for both sides of the benefit system.
and the companies are complaining they're not having enough of these people...
user559633
@RobertGrant Kind of. Crime and imprisonment in the US is a whole other kettle of fish.
user559633
14:20
Paid-for basic needs, housing, transit, child support, "bad neighborhood" upbringing, and no obligations during the week == pit for people to fall into
user6568562
@AnttiHaapala Nice : D
You'll enjoy this story from Johannesburg: in Soweto there's a shanty town where the residents were promised free housing by the government, and all they have to do is pay bills. The houses were built, and the residents then said they didn't want to pay bills. The government said they had to. Now, years later, the houses are empty because the shanty town residents will attack any of their members who try and live in them. They are nice houses (I've seen them) and they stand empty.
user559633
Haha, good lord. What's their rationalization, "don't want to pay bills?"
user6568562
@RobertGrant Human dickishness, you know
The problem is white people are too racist to come and educate them while also telling them that their tribal ways are best. White people are such dicks.
user559633
14:25
From the crime rates in south africa, I'm not sure it's racism driving the lack of desire.
user6568562
That stands for all people. The hierarchy system in "spiritual" civilizations is some Orwellian sh!t where you're raised to fear and blindly follow x-persons regardless of the efficiency and the outcome of their strategies
I kid lol :-)
user559633
The other part exists here too and is an instance of actual (opposed to what twitter will cry about) racism: the bigotry of low-expectations
@randomhopeful I assume by spiritual you also mean nonspiritual that also encourage that
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@RobertGrant Hmm, I guess I should and I do. The patters that drove regions like the arab world into crazy out of this world backward state are appearing everywhere
user559633
14:28
@randomhopeful Ha, same in the "west!" High five!
E.g. speaking to people from China who genuinely love their government and not because of a spiritual reason is interesting
Not that I'd say they aren't religious, they just in some way directly worship the state rather than a supernatural $thing
user559633
Yeah, because they'll get disappeared into a labor camp if they don't "genuinely" "love" their government.
@tristan they can go to the same one you send poor people to! runs
user559633
@RobertGrant Their...their apartments, that they pay for using money?
user6568562
@RobertGrant I didn't mean they loved their hierarchy out of spiritual reasons
14:31
ha, people still worship the state in china?
I thought they only worship money now
user559633
Tristan's dystopian version of NYC: People work jobs for income. Less skilled people that are poorly educated work in jobs that better their city. Also, snakes everywhere for some unexplained reason
user6568562
I don't care how much a nation love its leader. Former tunisian dictator Ben ali was adored by millions until three hours after he fled the country. Then "suddenly", people "start to realize"
Hmm, better give it another 30.
@randomhopeful how do you suppose any dictator can stay in power without majority "loving" them :/
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@Kevin I think we're wrapping it up
14:32
@AnttiHaapala well, some people do. Pretty sure they don't all do anything :)
user6568562
@AnttiHaapala That's the thing People have a lot of shit quality comfort zones, but goddamn it if they'll let you take it away easily
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FWIW I think it's kind of impressive that we seem to have a wide set of views from people living all around the world. Now that's #inclusive #diversity
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@DSM Also, these things come up, we disagree, and (well, I at least) we continue respecting each other after.
that's why I keep returning
@DSM errr I'm pretty sure diversity is everyone believing exactly the same thing, and no-one else is allowed to speak
Sorry, I'm making jokes when you're all being edifying. I agree as well, it's really good.
user559633
14:39
@RobertGrant Well, if you attend Diversity University, but we're more the "training montage/scrappy team" version
DSM
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I can almost hear the soundtrack in the background. Not quite good enough that you'll buy it after the movie, but works well in the scene.
(Side note: I quite liked Creed. Basically one big montage and some well-choreographed fights.)
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[warning: shrill]
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Other movies I haven't seen: Rocky, Rocky II, Rocky III, Rocky IV, Rocky V, Rocky Balboa, Creed, Kindergarten Cop 2.
14:42
@DSM seen all but KC2 and maybe Rocky 5
Is 3 the one with Mr T?
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Clubber Lang
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I pity the fool who can't answer that question. Like me.
:D
(It is. That means I may not have seen Rocky V)
Rocky First Blood Part 4b
user559633
I've only seen Rocky 1 and 2. The boxing is too hard to watch (I know it's supposed to be about this dim-witted everyman that wins through "wanting it more", but good god, he would get killed)
user6568562
Damn Rocky ! You're legending the hell out of your franchise : D Can't wait for a Terminator - Rocky Balboa crossover
14:44
I found out that WeWorkWhen changed their name blog.getbarto.com/post/149317312879/why-we-changed So the project didn't completely disappear
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I guess "Barto" is a better name than "WeWorkWhen". Still wouldn't have been high on my list.
user559633
Well, there's already an established (16bb valuation) company called WeWork
yeah, I agree
user6568562
True I wouldn't feel Barto as a step up from WeWorkWhen, but I appreciate their effort to save humanity from another pun-based brand
user559633
:( bruh.
DSM
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14:47
@tristan: he didn't mean anything by it.
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actually laughing
I keep forgetting you have a startup
lol
user559633
oof, i'm taking a beating today
@tristan you need more heart
Which's the better post? 1 2
Need to hammer one against the other
user559633
14:49
I'll be doing most of the business under a non-pun name.
1 is better in my opinion
user6568562
@tristan Dude ! I'm really sorry : D
@tristan is your startup live? (Genuine question, I am very forgetful.)
user559633
@randomhopeful haha, it's all good.
Live/alpha/whatever. As in can I go to a site and see any text about what it is :)
user559633
14:50
@RobertGrant no, a month off-track from taking care of a parent post-surgery
@vaultah Thanks.
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@RobertGrant Aiming for a public beta Oct 1.
Hammered a pro hitman's post :D
@tristan ah flip sorry
user559633
@RobertGrant hey, thanks for saying that.
14:52
I started to say that sucks, and then realised it might sound as though I prioritise startup work over family and aren't they annoying for getting in your way. So I didn't :D
user6568562
@tristan I hope they'll be all well [ :
user559633
@RobertGrant Eh, don't worry about it, I would have assumed you meant it in the nicest way possible, and yeah, it sucks.
@tristan cool
I'm happy to click on things and break them if it'll help before beta
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@randomhopeful Thanks. It's going to be a process :)
user6568562
@tristan It's gonna take time for them to recover ?
user559633
14:55
@randomhopeful Long personal story that's not a good fit for this format.
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DSM
Does anyone (other than @PM2Ring, I'd guess) know what "Nuralda" means in "Strike Force Nuralda"?
It sounds a bit like a Hyundai. The new Hyundai Nuralda.
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@tristan I see and understand
@DSM No idea. Maybe they just picked a town name at random. But I don't follow sports.
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So it's mostly a place name, and not down-under for anything specific?
15:04
@DSM Actually, it's not even a place name. But according to one site it's an Aboriginal word meaning "summer" (bear in mind that there are hundreds of Australian Aboriginal languages). I've never heard of it before.
I love when I get pinged asking about "why did I downvote?" only so I can say "A dinna ken cause A dinna downvote"
Last night I put my flavored vitamin water (tm) in the freezer. This morning I took it out and brought it with me to work. While I carried it through the parking lot, it started dripping (and I know it wasn't condensation because it was orange). But by the time I got inside, it wasn't dripping any more. Now it's been on my desk for three hours and it's bone-dry.
DSM
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I find it comforting that apparently even Australians aren't sure. Thanks, PM2R.
This is like one of those locked-room mysteries where the guy is hanging from the rafters above a puddle of water.
15:06
^ oh, oh I know that one - the monkey did it
Cuz ice?
The water did freeze overnight into one big chunk, yes.
user6568562
And no liquid around the empty bottle ?
The plastic is quite thick, though, and I didn't notice any deformations or cracks.
Could still be one. That's my guess.
15:08
expansion + a slight break in the seal ring under cap which disappeared after drinking or contraction after some melt?
Either that or food coloring permeates through plastic as low temperatures for some reason.
This is my guess: the water expanded as it froze, deforming the bottle slightly and/or pressurizing the air at the top of the bottle. This caused the screw-on lid to have an imperfect seal, leaving just enough room for the semi-liquid contents to leak out. If I had carried the bottle exactly straight up, it wouldn't have been a problem.
@QuestionC I also considered that, but I don't want to live in a world where such things can happen.
Maybe the cap just isn't watertight and this has nothing to do with freezing. I have jugs of milk do that all the time.
@Kevin ....what I said :P ;)
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totaalPrijs = 0
standaardprijs.__getattribute__(totaalPrijs)
15:12
Web dev makes my head melty.
@JGreenwell Yeah.
The vitamin waters I keep stored at room temperature seem to be watertight. Maybe this one in particular has a defect not related to freezing.
DSM
DSM
^^ that makes my head melty.
The only way to tell for sure is to take a room temperature bottle, verify that it's watertight, then freeze it and see if it drips in the parking lot the next day.
I've got two docker containers, hosting a web server and my app, and a node.js express middleware, respectively. Within docker containers you can automagically find the other containers using their hostname which is just their namename, but because my Angular http requests are executed client-side, I don't know how to automagically provide the correct ip address to the client to allow angular to use express as a rest api.
Also there are far too many catchphrases in that paragraph.
namename.
I... Just.
15:16
Full disclosure: they don't actually use the term "namename"
I'm more concerned with the seemingly non-ironic use of "automagically".
Before you write a letter to the Times.
Ok. I guess I shouldn't throw stones. I'm pretty sure my work project has a WidgetTypeType class.
It's automatic and it's magic, automagic is the correct term.
5
Next you'll tell us this is an app for making "guesstimates".
DSM
DSM
15:18
We used to use that one in school. Grew out of it.
It's an asciibetical web app.
♫ Touch it, bring it, pay it, watch it, // Turn it, leave it, start - format it. // Automagic ♫
[Radical synth solo]
@Ffisegydd the way I've solved the "how do I tell the frontend where the backend is" problem is a config file that the frontend can download with that stuff. Just throw it on the same server the frontend is served from so it can get it from a known location, and edit it with whatever your setup is.
Yes that's what I'm considering, but it's too late for me to do anything about it now, I need a nap before badminton.
15:22
Or if you're using something to compile the frontend, you can add the config at compile time and make the build specific to the deploy.
As I don't do much web dev, I sometimes forget that "Oh yeah, this code I'm writing is actually being ran on the users machine and not on my server"
"sweet, time to grind out some bitcoins"
(Yes I know that mining btc in js will get you like a penny a century)
I think I've solved my issue, thank you my ducklings.
(Side bar: almost had a funny but inappropriate typo of "ducklings" there...)
What the duck? Sorry about the fowl language.
user559633
15:37
@Ffisegydd What did you end up doing?
test test
Rather than having one single docker-compose thing I'll have two, one that handles just the frontend and one that handles express and mongo together. As they're separate it'll be a bit easier to pass config into them.
So I'll probably end up having them on different servers anyway
user559633
Ah. Make sense. Outside of local, they'll be DNS'd anyway.
Quite so.
user559633
I do this ugly business of setting hostnames locally, e.g. api.local.tristancorp.com
15:43
@JonClements tset tset
Yeah I like docker-compose because you just write a yaml file and if you give your db the name "kevin" then in your webapp in a separate container docker will automagically add kevin to /etc/hosts.
I can now easily type @jon ;)
user559633
I need to docker my setup more. I'm currently doing vagrant or just running locally.
@tristan actually makes OAuth and testing easier...
user559633
@JonClements Yeah, that's part of it, and that it's closer to how it runs in "greater environments"
15:44
I've never tried it in production, I don't get myself dirty by making code actually usable to end users, but for development at least it's amazing.
user559633
Stay in that bubble forever.
@Ffisegydd just work directly on production - never ever ever ever goes wrong - promise! hides crossed paws behind back
@Kevin I already did that experiment - it is really boring being on a post for 13 hours over night (with like 6-7 hours of deadtime during early morning) and we got waterbottles in Iraq and had to check that they were still sealed (freezing them cause it is f*ing hot there and they make great ice packs). They are watertight but freezing and un-freezing compromises the seal
Hmm, interesting.
larger the bottle cap the easier to compromise
....dang it! I should have written a paper on that when I was in....missed opportunities what ya gonna do?
It's a pretty big cap. Let's see... 1.3 inches diameter. I wonder if my coworkers wonder why I'm measuring my bottle.
user559633
write a spy drama about a seal that's really bad at spying and always gets caught. name it "compromised seal"
^ FOR SCIENCE!
@tristan It's the best.
user559633
@Ffisegydd It's very very rare that devops (née system administration) isn't a thankless, tool-based job that leads to a 5 year cycle of skill erosion
LOL
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^10k only
user559633
That said, I've met some people that just thrive in that setup. One of my best friends is incredible as a sysadmin because he's great at "does this work for now and is it better, cool, done"
I enjoy devops in a "lol messing around with my dev system" kind of way.
"Ooooh a new toy I can install and check out" is more fun than "Oh god I deleted the production db and it'll take 7 weeks to copy the backups back across"
@AnttiHaapala More than a hundred deleted answers there! :D
rhubarb all
16:03
There is no satisfying craft that cannot be made into a hollow mockery of its former self by the corporate megastructure.
user559633
Star..oh wait, :(. War... oh man :(
@Kevin indeed, that's a thought to whittle away at.
Brief hello to all and sundry.
user559633
o/
I've had actual work to do, which seems mighty unfair to me ;)
user559633
I do most of mine at night/during weird hours.
16:07
Wise.
I was up until 3am last night
Stupidly, messing around with getting a Windows 98 virtual box going that was capable of playing a 15+ year old game that my lad has acquired. I must have lost my mind.
oh wow- there's pictures of "Sookie" in this album
inb4: So what's new?
Anyway - I'm away again - later...
Badger badger badger! :p
I need to build an SQL data model. Blergh.
user559633
@Ffisegydd Yeah, when you mentioned MongoDB earlier, I started counting the minutes until you realized you had to do a data migration
16:12
Different project.
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Resumes counter
I have many fingers and many pies.
user559633
I have many feet and many guns.
Yo yo
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Oi oi
16:31
Can I store result of BeautifulSoup (parsing an html) to a file? I want to speed up the parsing on URLs I frequently fetch.
what's new @tristan
user559633
@idjaw Writing more JS :) About to be back in Python land though for writing a mini search service. You?
@tristan Working out some kinks in this virtual PDU app. Was doing some ansible/docker stuff yesterday. All in all, a well balanced diet.
user559633
Nice, was the ansible/docker stuff for the virtual datacenter stuff?
@Slayther aka pickle the soup?
why not save the processed data
16:39
@AnttiHaapala Let's say I have bunch of URLs and incoming requests from people to query them in different ways
@tristan No. It was for another project. We are avoiding this massive PHP-based project, by writing an interface that allows to write modules for it in Python. These modules reside as docker images. Adding modules to it is a bit of a headache, so we would rather do it in something we enjoy working on...e.g. Python. :)
@AnttiHaapala Pickle? I will look into that
user559633
@Slayther Yeah, you can store the result. I'd recommend storing the response from the site as text so that you don't pre-filter and allow others to use lxml or other approaches.
user559633
@idjaw Python modules as docker instances? That sounds pretty interesting.
@tristan Well, I would store the parsed soup as that is the only thing I need for querying.
And is the slowest process
user559633
16:41
@Slayther You know your use case best, but if I came across a page, I'd want to lxml it.
@tristan Yeah, I always use lxml first, html parser second
Yeah, so I just started working on this project, so I'm ramping up on how it all works, so I'm still fairly new to its architecture, but ultimately the whole thing runs as its own service, and communication with <big app> is done via API. We went the docker route to manage those modules. It's pretty neat.
user559633
@idjaw Oh, modules == little services?
yeah...I was mixing up terminology there, sorry...modules are what we are writing for <big app> so I was referencing as such..but more generally, yes...I should refer to them as little services.
user559633
16:43
@idjaw Ah. I was thinking maybe you were hooking importlib to call out over http.
Pickle.. Where have you been all my life
@tristan oh, no. Pretty much wrote something in PHP that exposes exactly what we need, to allow any future development to be done in Python (or anything else really, since it's just API calls)
user559633
@Slayther Hiding behind the warning of "very unsafe if you cannot entirely trust the data you're pickling" and "makes it interpreter/architecture specific and not fit for serialization"
@tristan Ah. I guess it can be sour too
user559633
@idjaw Makes sense. My architecture is "authoritative source of truth API" that is the only thing that can do reads/writes to the "important data" DB, then services and queues in rings around that.
16:48
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. And those services are each given their own authority on what they can do against the API?
user559633
Obvi. not under heavy load yet, but I've found this architecture to be very easy to reason about, at the slight expense of response time (RTT from service->A.S.T. API overhead) and development time (doing a mix of TCP and HTTP clients off the API)
user559633
@idjaw Yep. Each consumer exists in a permission table in the AST API DB.
I might have asked this already, but what are you using to handle your queuing?
user559633
Redis for now to limit the number of spinning plates, mostly.
Great.. RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded
16:50
@tristan do you see a need to go down the route of using something like rabbitmq?
Hey @idjaw I don't know if you saw this one I posted earlier:
3 hours ago, by PM 2Ring
Here's some cool Canadian blues: Ice Queen by Sue Foley.
@PM2Ring oh..sorry about that...must have missed it.
checking it out
hi everyone, django questions are allowed here, right?
user559633
@idjaw Eh, eventually, but I'll have to take a look when I need something more complex. I persist Redis to disk, so that's one of the big wins of RabbitMQ in "cloud" hosting environments. I imagine security will be the driving factor in making my primary queue not redis.
Django is pretty much python so yes,
16:53
ah, well in that case: I just set up django-tinymce and made some changes in my form, but now it's not rendering the correct error message for that form field
my form, test, and traceback are here: gist.github.com/Flobin/05e6810bca9ee7da95d031eb0d5c1cea
anyone know why this might happen?
@tristan Yeah. I sometimes forget why you would choose to use something of the scale of problems that rabbitmq will solve :). Is your redis on a single machine, or do you have it distributed?
@PM2Ring This is really good stuff. Glad you reminded me. :)
@Slayther What tristan said. And not everything is pickle-able. But when you use it on stuff it can handle, as a way of preserving state you don't want to share, it's wonderful.
@PM2Ring I just used sys.setrecursionlimit(10000) and it works beautifully.
My file system may not be happy, but oh well
is it just me, or playing with recursionlimit is a sign that you need to refactor your code?
(not trying to sound like an ass, genuinely asking..)
No, that definitely sounds (best case) weird.
16:58
Well, pickle is to blame
@idjaw My pleasure. Here's another one I just found. The Butch Trucks Freight Train Band, featuring Heather Gillis Goin' Down
Idk how else to serialize BeautifulSoup's soup
Why are you not dumping the text?
Because I am trying to avoid parsing same page multiple times
user559633
@idjaw Since machine for now, but will need to distribute before the snow melts. You can use rabbitmq to work around architectural issues.

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