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15:00
build success. sanity restored. on with the show.
cbg
Posts about dogs with the occasional on-topic message. That's about normal.
You missed the bunnies...
Good Day!
15:02
And the cockatiels.
@Ffisegydd very nice! I just looked at the table of contents, but if it delivers, it's insanely helpful
only misses some pandas
i'm peas.
What has you confused, @Jerry?
This chat
What's wrong with this chat?
15:13
<<< currently taking the suggested approach I wrote to some collaborators a while ago, on which they've prevaricated enormously, and turning it into a 'screw you, pay me if you want it down now' project plan.
Pfft, your chat.
I'm a green bean so, I guess this is normal
mmmm green beans
Yeah pretty normal. We also Python, on occasion.
on occasion
15:15
by accident, really
So my house has tons of cats around it. What does it mean? Can I take some of the cats? None of them have collars
Can you 'take' the cats? I think you misunderstand how cats work...
every raven should have a pet cat; just so the other cats know who is boss
But per Kevin's comment yesterday, for the love of god, don't take it apart to find out how it does work.
@corvid Yes, but only if you pay a Cat Tax. You must send every other cat to your Catountant (me).
15:19
@Withnail I like cats, they attack animals I dislike like rodents
I'll take care of the Cat Tax for you.
@Ffisegydd (places paw firmly on head)
No
The cats have taught me well
(Find Unbatched Payments) C:\Users\mpthrapp\Find Unbatched Payments\Scripts>pip install setuptool --upgrade
You are using pip version 7.1.0, however version 8.1.2 is available.
You should consider upgrading via the 'python -m pip install --upgrade pip' command.
Collecting setuptool
  Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement setuptool (from versions: )
No matching distribution found for setuptool

(Find Unbatched Payments) C:\Users\mpthrapp\Find Unbatched Payments\Scripts>python -m pip install --upgrade pip
WTF Windows.
Is it up to date? Or am I using an old version. PICK ONE.
Or both
15:21
@_sebas_n_ @ChrisShut @dog_rates OMG! Really sorry. On closer inspection the dog is further left. Corrected it now. https://t.co/ByODy6M3le
@MorganThrapp I think I had that problem before
The obvious solution is to use linux.
(Who was talking about Puppy linux yesterday? Liked that, when I had a look. Cool idea)
@AndrasDeak #LinuxMasterOS
15:23
@Withnail PM 2Ring, probably
The obvious solution is to convince our bosses to use Linux where we work - obvious != easy though
I keep being more and more tempted to just switch to Linux.
If I didn't do so much Windows only stuff. :/
obvious answer - write a buggy GUI to sit on top of linuxs that looks like windows
I have mentioned Puppy Linux a few times in here, but not recently.
15:23
@MartijnPieters I read down that stack too - thought that was a great response.
JUST DO IT @MorganThrapp
everyone's happy then, amirite?
no, it was Jon Clements
i realise i could have just searched for it, btw
I soearched for you
15:24
stalk
you are my personal siri
yesterday, by Jon Clements
@JRichardSnape Puppy linux?
@Withnail here you go pcworld.com/article/2028896/…
all that windows 7 goodness
@MorganThrapp Guess - the pip on your path is not the one associated with the python on your path.
@Withnail just "sir" will do
15:25
@idjaw I find that quite unnecessary, no thx
@JRichardSnape I would assume so, I just figured activate.bat would set things correctly.
But hey, if someone wants to do that go ahead
haha holy hedgesicles, that might've pushed my dad over the edge into Ubuntu if I'd seen that before. :D
Puppy is great fun, but it is a bit quirky, so it may not be a good intro to Linux.
Windows is fine.
15:26
@MorganThrapp Oh, you're in a venv - I should have noticed. I've had the same issue.
How do I downvote? ;)
But if you're already familiar with Linux, Puppy is pretty easy to get into.
I like Linux so much I have a partition for it on my macbook
@JRichardSnape Normally I just do all my package management in PyCharm, but it's refusing to upgrade setuptools.
From my non-trivial experience of using/coding on both, I've had more issues with Linux than Windows.
15:27
Yeah, I really do prefer Windows 99% of the time, and then I try to install lxml.
*whispers macOS anyone?
For every vcvarsall.bat you get some crazy bug in /etc/herp/derp/derpyity/doo.cfg that one bloke solved once in 2004.
Of course, my experience with Linux is that it takes ~a day to get sound/video working properly.
luckily I can use Python and Linux for data analysis, just have to use C#/Windows for report creation and visualizations (and other stuff but mostly that)....though Win has improved with 7/10 (and improvements to Powershell)
Windows is fine. It gets way too much hate. I don't mind using Windows....just that the type of development that I do, there are too many workarounds I have to do to get my environment working properly that a *nix environment is the only thing that works for me.
15:28
I don't think I've had to do anything on windows in about 12 years, tbf, let alone anything technical. So my animosity is mostly historical.
Last time it was that HDMI audio was staticy beyond belief out of the box.
I still like Linux the best
So I had to edit some system config files.
Which seems bananas to me.
don't say Windows is okay around @tristan right now though. He's using it for the first time......and was not prepared for the shock
Ick, Windows :P
15:30
@JRichardSnape Halp, I'm trapped reading that twitter feed!
I think windows is trying a bit too hard to make it user-friendly for non-technical people, but that's just my opinion
@Withnail While technically it's improved, its a bit like saying that Facism has improved. Sure, they use technology better, but it's still Facism.
Personally I mostly hate Windows because all companies I worked for that used Linux (or Unix) had really great IT (or MIS if I want to date myself) departments but Windows tends to equal headaches to nightmare situations
@WayneWerner *fascism
I had to
Linux can still be a pain when you have to deal with hardware that doesn't provide Linux drivers, but at least that's much less of an issue these days than it used to be when Microsoft made it very difficult for vendors who didn't want to play the Microsoft lock-in game.
15:33
@Jerrybibo Yeah, that. Spell check on mac apparently can't tell that facism should be fascism. That's a stupid spell check
Apple's autocorrect is on point, duh
@PM2Ring That's literally the one problem I have when it comes to linux, and really it's just the printer drivers... oh and MIDI
Correcting things that are not supposed to be corrected and not correcting things that needs to be corrected
apparently MIDI is ridiculous. Or at least MIDI-to-USB adapters
oi vey....grading peoples answers to classic "beer and diapers" question - caffeine don't fail me now
15:39
I thought that was some kind of English idiom:D
Flask-SQLAlchemy has a potentially deprecated feature that commits when the request ends. Someone complained that having to db.session.commit() explicitly at the end of functions that change data violates DRY. I don't think that's what DRY is referring to. Is that a valid use of the term?
@idjaw that's almost as evil as writing Greek question marks in your code
@davidism tell them that it's more pythonic if it's explicit :D
I already said that.
@davidism Only if you're drunk
Saying it violates DRY is like saying that using print statements in multiple different places violates DRY
Or because you have an identical if statement on more than one line you're violating DRY
Maybe a better analogy would be multiple return statements.
How about using a context manager to do the commit?
Yeah, that is for sure
@davidism That's not a violation of DRY, no.
15:44
Context manager is a good idea IMHO
How the hell is automating managing transactions repeating yourself?
That's actually what we do in our software
The whole point of such automation is to apply DRY.
I think they mean that removing that feature will lead to the users having to repeat themselves...with manual commits everywhere
with dbutil.transaction() as query: ... query.execute(sql)
15:45
We're removing the autocommit on teardown feature, so technically they have to write commit for each function.
I'm doing this because teardown functions can't modify the response, so there's no way to indicate that there was an error during commit.
I like the context manager approach as well.
@davidism: actually, they are saying it is anti-DRY.
In that removing the hook makes them having to repeatedly handle committing themselves.
I dunno, some days I work my ass off to help people and get no rep. Other days, rep just drops out of the sky. Today appears to be one of the former.
Do Repeat Yourself? Is DRY the opposite of DRY?
whaddup Bobby
15:51
@MorganThrapp shouldn't you have been trying to install setuptools, not setuptool?
@holdenweb yesterday and Tuesday were examples of the former for me. Even when you put in a lot of work to show that my answer is literally 10k times more efficient than the other answer, the question asker asking for an efficient method still accepted the other answer because it 'was shorter'. Gah!
It happens, I found fun in the analysis in exactly how much effort the other method wasted.
ergh...I feel like the only way I'm getting to 10K at this point is if I FGITW everything....which is annoying.
@davidism: ah, for the fully transactional nature of Zope. Proper multi-database transaction handling.
@idjaw don't say that. There's always SOD.
in SOD I trust?
15:56
I wouldn't if I were you
cash your check, walk away:P
Agh, having a yak shaving moment trying to run something on a new laptop
Recently crossed the 8k boundary, so still slowly heading towards 10k< but with no specific motivation I just wokr on SO issues when I can
what I want to be doing is testing a template for something I want to build
what I'm doing is installing xcode so that I can install homebrew so that I can install psycopg2 so that I can make postgres work so that I can runserver the system that the templates live in.
what I want to be doing is getting my simulator working
what I am doing is troubleshooting why the yam my integration tests decided to not find my vagrant install anymore
15:59
@holdenweb That's the best way to do it... it just naturally happens as a side effect of helping people with things you find interesting...
haha Pokemon Go dev has started
I was considering doing a project myself...
@idjaw the only pokemon posts I acknowledge are about exceptions
@Programmer don't consider. do it!!!!!! :D
I have no motivation when I leave work though lol
16:03
WTF? I just lost an accept on a month old answer. The OP decided they liked the less efficient version better for some unfathomable reason. stackoverflow.com/questions/38015270/…
Thanks, anonymous up-voters. :)
:)
grumble grumble IntelliJ PATH clashing grumble
problem resolved.....I'm gonna go eat and cool down.
you know every once in a while a troll asks a question which actually spawns some cool answers
So, anyone else think this casting looks a little strange?
There's never anything wrong with Matt Damon being cast in something
@JonClements that's the way I had it figured
16:16
@MartijnPieters could you explain more? What does Zope do that makes db transactions nice?
@idjaw but, now half the movie is going to be a tenuous back story about why he's there. Also, "visionary director" [red flags raised]
@corvid if Tom Cruise can be a Japanese Samurai - why not?
So I've been spending the last three weeks trying to get Oracle properly configured on my machine and my coworker suggested "have you tried copying the tnsnames file from the database directory to the client directory? I needed to do that before my install worked" and my other coworker nodded indicating that he also needed to do that and I said "why is this the first time I'm hearing about this even though I've been obviously struggling for three weeks?" and they kind of shrugged
@davidism each request is a handled in a transaction.
And now I'm mad but I'm also mad at myself for being mad because it's obviously not my coworkers' job to babysit me in a task that we're all theoretically capable of doing on our own and it would be unreasonable of me to, I don't know, ask them to give me a written guide of all the things they tried between when they installed Windows and when their Oracle install started working
16:23
the horror. I just discovered a function I wrote ages ago where I called this_function_name = sys._getframe().f_code.co_name rather than write a wrapper to name the output. Jees.
@MartijnPieters A session is a transaction, right?
so request comes in -> transaction is started -> try statement -> build request object and find right view to call -> call view -> handle exception? Roll back transaction. No exception? Commit transaction.
@davidism the term 'session' is reserved for the cookie-bound storage representing a client.
I meant in SQLAlchemy-speak.
How do you handle what to do if the transaction fails?
But at the same time I feel like there's a real problem in communication here that we're each of us trying things more or less at random and not forming a collective base of known good information. It's textbook redundancy
That's what's in question here.
@davidism you could register a view for specific exceptions, but you'd have to start a new transaction if you wanted to commit something during that stage. IIRC.
It's been a while.
And what if the user actually wants to handle a specific transaction in a certain way, like retrying instead of rolling back?
Also I think being mad at my coworkers made them mad at me so now they're even less likely to volunteer potentially crucial information so maybe that wasn't the most politically expedient response that I could have chosen
The Zope publisher handled a specific exception to signal retries.
Interpersonal relationships are so G.D. complicated. I just want to talk to computers for a living.
16:27
Hmm, I'll have to think about it more.
Flask also has this weird property that you can push multiple requests to the stack, which I still haven't found a use for.
Not sure if that should result in separate transactions or nested transactions.
Gotta run, meeting in 3 mins.
Or if it should even be considered.
@MartijnPieters rbrb
rbrb all. need to drive home while I fume at past me. :)
I often get angry at my past self
Can someone hammer that thing please? It's already got 3 answers. :(
16:32
@PM2Ring sorry, was pondering Flask-SQLAlchemy stuff.
No worries
lol...I just got an email for an Awesome Python Programming Position with the description awesome developer who “gets sh*t done"
Greetings fellow kids, would you like a job?
@JGreenwell Does that mean chats on SO ;)
I got an email from Reed today (which I'm registered with, along with expected salary, skills etc) saying would I be interested in a junior SQL dev position for £25k
IT recruiters are the best
16:43
@RobertGrant That's a terrible salary, even for SQL devs here in the states.
I was disappointed they didn't add the word ninja, all recruitment emails should have ninja in them somewhere ;)
@JGreenwell It was there. You just didn't see it.
@JGreenwell should've went with "who does the needful"
17:07
That is not much less than what I was making until last month. :P
rockstar ninja evangelist looking to disrupt
bro
I had been making ~£25.8k
@RobertGrant ha. I recently got a request to do a 6 month contract in .NET that I would be a perfect fit for.
I did have a recruiter contact me about something super-interesting once. Rust and Go for Internet of Things stuff. But it was for a different continent and a low price range :/
My current place of employment was through a recruiter. The recruiter ended up being very knowledgeable and things just happened to work out. So I went with it. I'm super happy about how it all played out. Really happy here.
17:16
@DSM if ever you fancied getting into a video game, Star Wars: Battlefront has brought Thrawn back into the Canon.
and it is awesome
The intricate web of knowledge that I've built up on all of you brought that fact to me.
My IRL friend wants me to play Overwatch with him, but rejected my offer of "buy me a computer that will run it, and I'll play with you". How selfish of him.
Seems like a fair deal. What's wrong with him?
17:19
Blatant shameless stealing from JS room
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You could have at least linked the message, heartless crow.
whoever made that could have made the text change/insert less obvious ;P
I think I need to work on my strategy for curtailing frivolous spending. Right now my algorithm is something like: if randint(0, thing.cost*C) == 0: buy(thing) where C is some ever-constant value that I haven't precisely quantified.
I've got the same thing. I almost just spent £120 on IntelliJ IDEA when I don't even code Java that often at home.
I'm also tempted to pay £120 to upgrade my phone early rather than wait 2 months.
This works pretty well for relatively inexpensive items. Ex: I get the urge to eat at a restaurant three times a month, but randint only succeeds for that 33% of the time, which is approximately reasonable.
But for expensive items, randint almost never hits zero, so I just go without the product forever
17:24
@corvid Have you noticed that CNN et. al are starting to use spoken clickbait?
If I had unlimited give-a-darn points, I would carefully track all of my spending, and come up with a heuristic for "can I afford to buy this thing?" that doesn't involve randomness or "how many times I have denied myself this thing in the past"
Oh right I misconstrued your original point, I thought you spent money too much. We should combine our powers and maybe we'd make a normal human, albeit with 8 appendages and two heads.
> Studies have shown a dangerous chemical called Dihydrogen Monoxide is more acidic than bleach, and it might be in YOUR house! See what you can do at 7!
I don't have good fiscal habits. I just lucked into having an unusually high C value.
17:29
@Kevin Try Simple.com
I'm running out of things to watch.
This is better than having an unusually low C value, but not as good as having a precisely calibrated C value.
Because I suspect I get less enjoyment from unspent money than I would from the goods and services that money could buy.
lol...I actually saw a young guy wearing a "Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide" shirt and thought it was a great joke shirt. Then I realized he actually meant it and I wept for the future of science.
Do you have a pit filled with it in "singles"?
@Ffisegydd I just started Stranger Things. It is incredible.
17:31
Even accounting for factors like being able to retire earlier or whatever. Maybe having a jet ski now would have a greater impact on my total accumulated lifetime happiness than retiring six months earlier.
@MorganThrapp It is. I have seen it also.
I just finished ep 4 last night.
Although I can only speculate on this point, as I have never owned a jet ski and I have never been retired.
Weak. I'm pretty sure I watched the entire thing in 2 sittings.
It's the show I wish Twin Peaks had been.
17:31
Clearly you should temporarily try both
Well, I'm at one sitting so far. :P
Stranger Things is so good. I blazed through all eight episodes.
I think I did 6-2
I'm pretty sure I'm going to finish it tonight.
Looks like it'll be 4-4 for me.
I'm now watching The Night of (based off of the UK Criminal Justice)
17:33
That looked interesting.
I only did 6-2 and not 8 because FizzyGirl made me go waste 2 hours of my life watching Star Trek.
@MorganThrapp zomg, yes it is. My wife and I started, it's crazy
my BIL said that it was amazing but he can't watch it at night because then he can't sleep, heh.
Yeah, it was surprisingly creepy.
I really want to watch Lights Out, on the subject of creepy.
I need more horror films.
DSM
DSM
Early afternoon cabbage for all.
17:36
I'm not a big horror guy, most of them just feel too tropey for me.
Things on my to watch list, in no particular order: Stranger Things, Daredevil season 2, Game of Thrones season 2 through present, Breaking Bad, that one episode of Sherlock that came out in January apparently, the episode of Steven Universe that I missed yesterday because it was board game night...
Food Wars, Re:Zero, that anime about the friends that join the diving club and one of them has a muppet head, Darker than Black although it's not on Crunchyroll and I can't be bothered to pirate it so I don't know how I'm ever going to see it
I should watch GoT.
And maybe I'll catch up on The Walking Dead again although I'm not really in the mood for depressing post-apocalyptic horror and I don't think I will be for a long while
Hmm I must be missing something, but why is there no "predicate" argument in either the build in "sum" or np.sum?
Eh, you don't need to bother with TWD.
DSM
DSM
17:38
@Ffisegydd: seriously!? Everyone's favourite art collector is canon now?! (Or "again", I should say..)
This last season has been overwhelmingly stupid.
Sorting an array, slicing it and then summing a slice is actually really slow at ~1000+ elements
@Ffisegydd please watch GoT
Whoops forgot about Bojack Horseman, gotta see that soon...
17:40
I forgot about it to. Gotta watch Bojack. It's now on the list
@Kevin Oh yeah, I forgot season 3 came out. Definitely need to watch that soon.
@idjaw Eh (with a big ole capital E)
The longer I go without, the more likely I am to be spoiled by random background discussion in the sort of sites I hang around on
DSM
DSM
@Kevin: BH took some time to grow on me, but eventually it did. Took me a while to like the main character.
17:41
I got into it because I like Will Arnett, Aaron Paul, and Amy Sedaris.
Yeah he's kind of a scoundrel, but you sort of come to understand why
And then I stayed because it was way more deep than it had any right to be.
Speaking of Will Arnett, has anyone seen Flaked?
I felt very meh about it
Yeah, I didn't hear great things about it.
There's just not enough variety D: I want to watch shows but Netflix and stuff just don't have enough.
Then Amazon try to charge you £5 to rent a bloody movie for 48 hours.
17:46
Yeah, that's why I let ships deliver movies to me.
Because that's bananapants.
I might look info lovefilm.
user559633
@JonClements whenever :)
o/ tristan
user559633
o/
user559633
gaming pcs are amazing
17:49
@tristan cool... just finishing off some data munging... then I'm about if you are matey :)
@tristan ohh you installed your new video card?
happy?
user559633
@JonClements cool, it's downloading now.
user559633
@idjaw yessir, and yes, happy. 243 fps capped at 2560x1440 on CS:GO
@tristan holy heck
17:50
@tristan niiiice...I think I know what I'm spending my amazon gift cards on if they get it in stock
@tristan and here was me thinking you were getting a decent machine cough :p
user559633
i seriously need to write down a list of things to do so i actually be productive and not just play video games
you got a network connection to keep up with that? ;)
user559633
50/10 with 40-50 "ping" to most csgo servers
which 1060 did you get
imagine all the Fourier transforms you can compute!
mmmmm
I really want some kind of ridiculous setup
like that, for instance
user559633
too much border
Very much
I always stagger my monitors so the borders overlap
user559633
looks like the monitors are trying, and failing, to block the outside
17:57
Though, I think I really would need either a 10 or 9 monitor setup
I have a thing about having my monitors right in front of my face
so having one tall monitor, or two stacked, right in front of me...
with 4 to the left and 4 to the right... that would be teh joy
user559633
i have a 27" monitor directly in front of me and it's often "too much"
I would kill for a third monitor. :/
I cut down to one monitor
user559633
i wouldn't mind 2x 27" monitors if i could tilt them further away
user559633
18:00
ergo setups assume a 5' desk
how you liking stand-up desk world?
user559633
it's okay. when i'm working, it's great, but lately i'm mostly sitting
user559633
i think i need to get a computer stand (so the cord doesn't stretch too far) and a 144hz monitor so i can side by side OSX and windows
Google is kind of weird with its personalization. It seems to think I'm fascinated with astronomy because I look up "Meteor" (the javascript framework) a lot
hehehe
There's a story about that. I can't seem to find the link on scifi/fantasy, but in the story the AI is checking someone's library book history and thinks they murdered someone because of the titles of the books they checked out
18:06
my laptop always sounds like an airplane taking off when I run vagrant
@WayneWerner Some of those titles include: "Hey, nobody likes that Steve guy anyway, right?"
wim
wim
Bizarre question...any guesses as to what this guy wants? stackoverflow.com/questions/38643759/…
@wim nope ;)
@wim yeah I just saw that as well....no idea what they are trying to do there by using the thing that is removing the thing they want.....
wim
wim
I think they think they want to have all deps explicitly specified/pinned in the requirements.txt
18:15
Bojack is pretty good, just started watching it. It's filling the Archer shaped hole in my life (phrasing)
but seriously, why are systems like this not controlled on-site?
@tristan I'm almost finished - so let me know what you're up and running :p
wim
wim
what will pip do if you have a reqs file like
foo==1.0 # foo has a dep on baz < 1.2
bar==1.1 # bar has a dep on baz > 1.2
I hope pip install would detect this and fail ...
@wim open up a blackhole and suck the earth in...
Although on a more serious note - I would expect it to build a dependency graph first
Yeah... I'm just doubting that now... as it does seem to install something, install something else, then start installing dependencies... so yeah...
quick, python -m venv fnord and try it!
18:22
simply calling .json() should solve the problem stackoverflow.com/questions/38643843/curl-request-to-python
wim
wim
cbf to try and find stuff on pypi which has a conflict
@wim anything that depends on versions of pytz is probably an easy target since it changes so often
@tristan I'm just going to go have a walkies... been sitting at the desk all bloomin' day and since it's cooled down I won't melt when doing so... gives you a bit of time to practice so I don't annihilate you with my awesome(ly crap) Worms skills...
user559633
@JonClements hah, just let me know when you're ready. anyone else with the game want to play worms clan wars?
I know Fizzy and Bobby have copies...
@tristan Yup... fear me... for I'm at the advanced level of not always mixing up the jump/fire buttons :)
Hence, less likely to jump into water or shoot myself
18:37
Holy hand grenade is good fun
Yeah... I like the sheep and banana bomb :)
user559633
i have no idea what i'm doing in game :)
I even loved the original worms, with none of this fancy stuff and 10-pixel worms
when I realized I could generate levels:O
<3 worms
It's always good fun when you forgot about the wind too.
18:46
cabbage
cbg
Is it just me because I don't use steam that often or is it normal that every time you launch it, it needs an update
steam loves its updates
it's always updating
@JonClements just about to get food :(
18:49
no worries
The user Ciro Santilli digs into 4-5 year old post and finds nice dupes.
Dunno if he visits the room, Have never seen him. :/
I thought I noticed an interesting pattern in the multiplication table. Turns out it was just (n+1)(n-1) == n*n - 1
Hehe, I always used to do that. When some one asks for the square of a few numbers, like 41, you can do it directly as 40*42 + 1
Troll like Estonian president https://t.co/ajaBmUaFke
@AnttiHaapala That's some burn.
Trump also replied to Hillary the other day.
18:58
@BhargavRao and the first comment tweet under there: "I bet the first guy is satisfied that at least the last bit was in Estonian."
hehehe. Maybe I should go move to Estonia
wherever that is :P
Yep, Other tweets are funny too :D
Which very rapidly descends into two users calling each other ableist, because it's ableist to get a joke!

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