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I'm currently playing with microcontrollers and bit shifting, it's nice what you can do :)
That is off topic, but here currently topic is unset
indeed
The last time I did iris with pure math it involved a doubly-dimensionless polar coordinate system set invariant of the iris size....and made me very thankful for pandas
so I would say math is harder but then the guy I was working with still hates pandas (except the type that do kung-fu) so your mileage will vary
00:30
hmm...was about to edit the following but looking a second time it seems it should just be deleted (or moved) as it has nothing to do with indentation
flag for delete or move as it has nothing to do with indentation or edit so at least it is correct (opinions?)
it seems unpythonic to me to cram all of that into a single line with semicolons
@JGreenwell top tag JS, 11 score in python from 9 posts
guys...it's not even valid python (3) syntax :P
also, if one is talking single line statements, single line ternary operator (ish) would be recommended
00:38
@AndrasDeak i submitted a review to delete it
that was also something I was going to edit
it has something to do with indentation, ut pointless and crap and a counterexample at best
i mean if you want to avoid indentation, that's more like a bunch of nested loops and conditionals and you need to rewrite the logic instead
I'm not sure "unpythonic" is a good enough reason
I did approve it (cc @JGreenwell), because bad practices should not be on docs
but still...
yeah "bad practice" is much better wording
i'll keep that in mind
00:41
and maybe link to pep8 in the reason
I don't like to read coding standards, and I still think I write pretty readable code
well, semicolons have some place in code golf at least, but in this case the link to indentation was small (one can indent compound statements and again ternary would be better option anyway) and it is a massively bad practice in general - so I was flagging for delete too
@MarkoMackic everybody thinks they're writing readable code; what matters is whether other people can read your code
@AndrasDeak very true
or whether you can read your own code six months later
well that's it :P nobody has complained so far :)
00:47
about a week in industry and one will care a lot about coding standards - the first time one tries to read a purely academics code one will really, really care about them
@MattGiltaji I count that as a different person;) (moving goalposts, I know)
I like to comment code, I sometimes comment every line, thats when I'm bored
oi vey, the entire indentation section needs links added to PEP8, and "History of Python" actual docs to show why indentation is used not just "it doesn't use curly brackets"....it also doesn't use begin/end or a period so I don't see why that is relivent
welcome to the glorious world of SOD
00:55
or the fact that curly brackets are "imports" in Haskell
...heh...have an image in my head of a pure JS developer trying to learn Haskell and it is glourious
I never did anything in haskell
and you never want to ;)
but specific about it is it has infinite types, but I don't know what it means, I've just read that somewhere
python has an infinite type too
what is defined as a type , int is a type, float is a type?
01:06
>>> type(3)
<class 'int'>
possible:P
is class a type ( because it defines something that isn't defined, probably)
yeah that is what I mean, then how infinite types, you can create infinite classes, and each is a type of it's own
but that's almost in any oop language
@MarkoMackic is class a type?
(that link might or might not answer; as you know it's 3 AM here:P)
DSM
DSM
If you're on SO in the hour of the wolf, when do you sleep?!
I think he's a bat :P just like myself
anyways how then infinitely many types
@DSM we're in the same time zone with Marko:)
01:10
I think infinity is actually a float in python though
and to answer your question, I often sleep from 4 AM to 10 AM:D
....usually it means error to me whatever type it is
@JGreenwell it is, in numpy at least
>>> from numpy import inf
>>> type(inf)
<class 'float'>
>>> inf*2
inf
>>> inf-inf/2
nan
infinity is nan
@MarkoMackic no
inifinity is a very different animal than nan
01:12
mmm, naan is delicious
in standard too
>>> from numpy import inf, nan
>>> inf is nan
False
>>> inf==nan
False
>>> x
inf
>>> type(x)
<class 'float'>
@JGreenwell there's a standard inf?
ok, but nan is a float
01:12
x = float("inf") # also -inf
@MarkoMackic type-wise, yes
yep @AndrasDeak you're right , but they are both floates typewise
>>> type(nan) is type(3.0)
True
DSM
DSM
I had naan earlier! Yum.
I'll stick with pizza;)
01:14
what does infinity serve for when it's unknown
@MarkoMackic it's not unknown, sonny
it's just infinity
for real numbers, it's very well defined
yeah it's defined but can't be calculated
@MarkoMackic of course it can
or I should go to sleep
it's lim_n n
01:16
how ?
or lim_{x->0+} 1/x
if you don't believe in inf, then you'll have a hard time using pi:P
DSM
DSM
I don't know what it means to calculate an element, so I can't say whether or not +inf or -inf can be calculated. But I don't think it matters.
lim(1/x) = 0 , x-> inf , would that be correct
Mathematical ennui is taking hold of @DSM again!
bring the Mandelbrot sets
@MarkoMackic yes
good, because I couldn't understand your notation :D
well it is defined , but can you say the number that is infinite ( like 999...)
@MarkoMackic can you say pi?
DSM
DSM
It's true that +inf and -inf aren't numbers in R. But they don't need to be.
can you say the number which is 2 if you take its square?
x->0- f(x)-> -inf :P
01:22
never precisely enough
(I know this is underhand)
you're talking about irational numbers
not rational , how it's properly said
@AndrasDeak if you square it result is 2 but that number will never be known completely because it doesn't have the end
my mind is blown :D
DSM
DSM
So your take is that we can only know a number completely if it has a finite number of digits?
Can one ever know anything completely, though?
I still like explaining imaginary numbers - I swear smoke comes out of people's ears when I do
01:29
I mean, I have a finite number of digits, and I'm pretty complex, I can tell you.
@DSM right, both ways it's defined, but you know it only if you have finite result about it
DSM
DSM
@MarkoMackic: okay, that's a pretty strong constructivist approach. :-) That's fine, but it means that you're saying that we don't know most of the numbers we work with. It might be more convenient to come up with a new word for your restricted sense and use the ordinary word "know" in a broader sense, just to ease communication..
Yeah, that's constructive point :)
DSM
DSM
I like the surreal numbers. It's fun to write things like 2 + w^3 and have it actually mean something..
user559633
@JGreenwell they are in es6 for non default exports too
user559633
01:35
i'm convinced that running is not in our biology. if we were meant to do that sort of thing, we'd have evolved wheels (pre-emptive: yes i know that's not how it works)
@DSM I have never heard of that type, but currently reading it on wiki
and with that, good night:)
@tristan curlies? yeah, bunch of other places too...working on an edit to that post but I have this thing about putting up correct code so its taking a bit (plus wife and kids keep pulling me away)
heh - so using that in a lecture
rbrb Andras
rbrb @AndrasDeak
:)
user559633
//e.g.
import {render, getInitialState} from 'react-dom';
01:43
same with export
such that react-dom would have export {render, getInitialState};
DSM
DSM
Does anyone know of any test verification code (that it, code which checks whether or not tests are doing what they should) by introducing errors into the source code and seeing if they're caught? I could work up something myself, but I don't seem to be able to hit on the right jargon to find it on the Worldmind.
Ah, it's "mutation testing". Or maybe "fault seeding".
I've always called it fault injection or "robustness testing" as a higher, more general, term
01:59
I've never written test cases :(
I keep thinking of my friend who put his cat's food dish on a roomba and turned it on
we need a scratchpad for documentation ideas/drafts
02:49
ruhbarb all
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hmm...found my picture on YouTube
my wife didn't even recognize me from the picture - I don't know if this is good or bad
06:12
sigh students should not try and cheat with SO and Mathematics StackExchange - professors check
at least I hope we do, but considering some of those I've meet lately....
hehhehe...I thought after USMC I would have no innocents
thank you academia for teaching me at least one lesson ;)
hi
is it the valid json
{
"Result": {
"id": "82",
"name": "Hussein",
"lastname": "jafari",
"email": "[email protected]",
"password": "222",
"image": "temp.jpg",
"birthday": "null ",
"gender": "null ",
"favFilm": "null ",
"favColor": "null ",
"aboutme": "null "
}
}
this site says yes jsonlint.com but
confused
@JGreenwell
yes
but the question is what do you want to do with it in python
and what library
...though it is weird json
no i don't want to do anything with that in python. i asked this because it is general programming question. im a android developer
I've taught that class so again: what do you want data for?
that's my login data
i get it from server
06:23
okay so what are you trying to do? (currently I can only answer that the data provided is valid json if weird)
hey chaotic
@JGreenwell so but what does this site say jsonformatter.curiousconcept.com
Expecting object or array, not string.[Code 1, Structure 1]
Error:Strings should be wrapped in double quotes.[Code 17, Structure 1]
actually, I saw your note on "hateful downvote" Chaotic yesterday - and don't worry; one of my favorite posts had two downvotes before a bunch of upvotes
@sarah doesn't load/I've never used
06:27
@JGreenwell what do you mean by doesn't load
your json is not loaded, but let me check on some of my methods - but again "what are you trying to do?"
@JGreenwell Naah I was just feeling happy. Like finally I'm a true SO user :P
also, Sarah is the name of three of my nieces so I'm being extra nice :)
And the down vote came when I flagged a few dupes in docs
@JGreenwell thank u
06:30
is Manipul in India cause you people are making extra work for me (and I love it - big supporter of globalization due to experience in USMC)
don't take that as ignorance - I once spoke 5 languages so I do get confused
@JGreenwell i told u, the json is provided by the php server, you know when i login from the android app. the app connect to server which run php page, if the user was valid, the php generate the similar json and send it back to android app. what whole story
the json is valid
@JGreenwell Yes. Manipal is in India. What extra work, if I may ask?
so what is the php problem (there is a php chatroom)
and I am only php on the rare occasion that people (admissions) pays me\
if the json is right then there is no problem with php then problem is with java
do u know java
06:33
I work in academia and international students are a (for us) a welcome extra bit of paperwork
at least as long as they answer my surveys ;)
but really helpful in general, in all honestly
Oh. I was planning for masters too. Fall 2017 problly
I teach it...so a bit
public boolean isValid(String json) {
try {
new JsonParser().parse(json);
return true;
} catch (JsonSyntaxException jse) {
return false;
}
}
cool, where at @ChaoticTwist?
Glad to hear that.
Not sure yet. Application starts in Oct right?
any insider suggestions?
06:35
but there is a Java chatroom and again -> they are most up-to-date
so again -> give me a basic project problem (or what is the basic problem if you can get json)
t@JGreenwell the above code says json is not valid
your code could be a problem or not it really depends on the purpose/scope/etc.
return false
is this an archive?
yes, it matters
in fact שרה I would advise you to tell me your full problem and I'll help you edit it towards a question on SO Q&A
but on @ChaoticTwist question (sorry it got lost): what?
@JGreenwell I meant, any suggestions about Unis to consider?
You might have the inside view.
06:44
region, subject focus, what drives you?
and yes, if any of these is un-important tell me and replace with important fact
(there are a bunch of smarter, more educated Python people here so don't think you'll get lost by us teachers)
region: no preference.
I'm currently putting in for PH.D positions so I know the pain....err...drill
US or no?
subject: I'm drawn towards AI, but if there's no explicit AI degree, comp science will do.
hi all, can anyone understand what this is doing and whether it should be in docs or not? stackoverflow.com/documentation/proposed/changes/36106
US preferably. But some European schools are amazing for AI too (that's what my research has led me to believe)
06:47
I'll look in sec Matt
I know US but again ask
@JGreenwell sure, thanks
and yes, UK & Italy have good AI beyond US I know
and that's just my personal knowledge
I just want an opinion ofc
....sorting of Hoar...."quick sort"?
@ChaoticTwist is this for undergraduate (bachelors) or graduate university?
06:49
have you looked at Academia.SE?
@JGreenwell I have
anything seem interesting (do not disregard these are knowledgeable people)
@ChaoticTwist i was told that grad school is more about finding a specific professor you want to do research with (i.e. you want to help them with their research goals) rather than a particular program
06:51
^ very important but depends on Masters vs. Doc
@JGreenwell yes, much more for doctorate than masters
approved, minor edits but I'll try and add tomorrow in comments
@MattGiltaji That's what I was asking @JGreenwell. Seeing as he is in academia, he might have a better insight about what profs are good to work with?
ahh, this is key @ChaoticTwist
actually its a pretty good draft @MattGiltaji - please keep it up
@JGreenwell yeah i was missing the quicksort link
i'll give it some love
06:54
I am looking at a bunch of profs. CMU has an amazing Computer Vision faculty (which I'm deeply interested in).
yeah, if you can add this it would be good but I'm really looking at if quick sort would be better as seperate topic
......*sigh* documenation is hard @lightnessRacesinOrbit this is where your expertise lies
if you're are intesested in it - that is major plus
look at publications
apply to multiple
(in case)
and then decide against best offers
That's the plan.
any top choices?
Currently all top choices seem a little too ambitious for me :\
I gained most of my experience in military so my university experience is skewed but I have some experience (and teaching jobs)
06:58
CMU, UCB, Columbia, Cornell. in the US
ETH Zurich, U of Edinburgh - outside US
apply anyway (worst you get is no) - and focus on video application and experience outside academia
Video application?
oh, have few friends from Edinburgh its nice
give me school names but most require social media which includes video
.........don't ask
@ChaoticTwist from what i've heard, all of those US schools are excellent, but i don't know much about the non-US ones
I've had this conversation with a lot of people on how video != social
but it helps with administrations
07:00
I still didn't get your point @JGreenwell
administration likes videos
I really can't but it any more simply
@MattGiltaji I've heard the same. But they have very low acceptance rate.
@JGreenwell is there an option to send videos? I wasn't aware of it. Most of my friends who applied last year just filled out the form and sent in their documents.
.....maybe - mine included disability vs. academic achievement (4.0) and some sob-story on pain from injuries (which is 100% true) but these count
@ChaoticTwist that's part of why they are so good, they only accept topmost students
@JGreenwell Oh, that way. Now I got it.
07:02
videos always help in the sense that they never hurt but that depends on specific school
@MattGiltaji True :P
so if you want specific school ask here or academia and see if alumni
then follow advice
@Sarah any questions please feel free: I'm in good mood :)
Ah, alright. That's actually a nice advice. Thanks @JGreenwell :D
give me a sec and I can find better Academia link
seriously like 70% of use on academia are TAs or Professors - get involved
India to US, right?
07:06
yes, fairness to UK to US, or RUS to US is different but I am only a cog
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Q: Getting admission in the US after a BSc and MSc from India

Anubhuti BhatnagarSince the US considers BSc and MSc together to be equivalent to a B.Tech degree (or any 4 year degree) how should I report my result? With both degrees from different institutes and in unrelated subjects, how do I add the score and present it as equivalent to a four year course? Further, I had p...

the actually question has very little but the linked question are quite informative
I actually saw this one :D
and please add experience - I will + as this help my research (which is what professors look at)
oh, then research is what I look at - NLP and demonstrated understanding between token counts and true NLP will make me recommend and candidate quick as silver
@JGreenwell it's my pleasure to have good friend like u
all depends on professor - and we all like speaking about reserach
Add experience to my SO profile?
07:11
I am not many people's good friend - but I love too help and so do other's, Though we have the mannerisms of industry based developers, since 1999 for me - if you have a question ask, please - some of us are bored ;) ;P.
what experience?
RA/TA/Workstudy and in what?
although yes, I can help with that if I know
USMC got me used to India, UK, Aus, Can, and a bunch of others - I love that btw.
No RA/TA but I'm undertaking an academic research project in computer vision along with one of my professors.
@JGreenwell i'm crying with java
this is the code im trying to do
java is business oriented so analytics take some....interesting...changes
what do u mean business oriented
u mean about money
Java people on SO are good at analytics though - and, no, I mean based on business objectives and values over math
not bad just different then the work I do in PY
I had no RA/TA but have jobs
so I'm going to start from beginning @ChaoticTwist -> what is your dream job?
07:17
Dream job? Working on an AI platform. Like google's deepmind for instance.
oh, that's a good one
Specifically in the area of vision
I learned from industry and requirements of military -> do not do this if aviodable but if you do -> you are the bravest, strongest Dev that exists
so as to University -> who is your top pick as a teacher and why?
teacher= professor, I'm one of those that don't care but some do
a lot do
like +70% do
<- military = work or die = different priorities
07:21
I haven't zeroed in on faculty as of now. But I've looked at a few research teams. Like the computer vision team at CMU has done some good research in the past. I just read about a tool they used to make flat items into 3D shapes
make a package (yes, include video) and apply to CMU
Okay. What purpose does the video accomplish?
being from the midwest - CMU means Central Michigian Univeristy and yes it is a good school (I would recommend UoI but I'm biased)
the video helps make up for RA lacks
07:25
I was referring to Carnegie Mellon :P
I.E. I can teach
cause look at my video
@ChaoticTwist yeah that was the CMU i was thinking of
btw. SO helps with this - if just slightly
In what way?
use the video to tutorial a subject and you can show that "I can teach despite lack of RA"
I look for this but it really depends on college some
07:27
arg, clicked discard on that quicksort edit and now i am too lazy to redo it
Makes sense.
SO helps in what way?
just one of a number of code repositories
@MattGiltaji the doc UI sucks.
I finished mine (docs thing) but it was a pain
@ChaoticTwist yeah i was trying to edit many parts of the document at once and it is not intuitive at all
07:28
@JGreenwell How's UMich? I read they have a nice ML faculty now.
@MattGiltaji It isn't intuitive even while reading a doc.
look at professors
Graduate for me was based on Dr. Case who teaches AI at Central UFL and chance to learn from
PH.D is based on basically a continuing of this research
@ChaoticTwist yeah, that too
@JGreenwell Personally what is the biggest factor that makes you accept/reject someone?
Grad is based on two facts: publications chances and professors (but as un-official all midwest, yes I lived there until 2006, has good CS)
two factors: CV being stupid (I have no-nice way of putting this)
07:32
second: GPA factored with professor recommendations
i.e. Hawkings had horrible GPA but good recommendations
so GPA is big factor but there are exceptions
I also work with Internationals, so I am used to adjusting for curriculum differences
not all are
so the rule is: apply, apply, and apply more :)
I have average GPA but A's in Machine Learning and Computer Vision courses.
Because I have electronics as my major (and we can't change majors here), but I got more interested in Software and AI and finally python. I ended up focusing more on those and maintained avg score in other subjects
add computer vision to letters if you can - it is a growing field
which letters?
ML too but as part of CV
you have recommendation letters?
07:36
from professors, adivisors, etc?
ask them to add
One from the prof I'm working under on the CV project
and one from my summer internship manager, worked on an industry product related to vision
yep, I personally give a lot of credit to recommendation letters but it is common for it at least to be added to full, general, considerations
....again, I like applicable math - some like others - key is applying to all your choices
also, use library resources (yes, you have some) to at least grammar check
ofcourse :D
seriously, my adviser laughed at 90% of grammar suggestions but last 10% were important
math and CS are fun that way
07:41
also, anyone who thinks academia doesn't know what Google is - is in for a world of hurt - cite sources (not don't copy)
half of my time is just Google
I swear
That's one of the first advise my friend gave me too. People plagiarize stuff unthinkingly and get caught and end up ruining their chaces
I actually find it interesting when a student shows originality based on a known library but so many get stuck in the idea that only "original ideas" will be evaluated that they miss the chance at real research
real research is hard - and it builds
"originality based on a known library", care to elaborate on this?
okay, one sec
okay, this was the draft of my Master's dissertation proposal (standard MIT license) which was based on a number of known libraries
> Though a great deal of research is needed in the area of AI, one point which is more science fiction at the moment – that interests me more than any other topic in information technology (IT), computer science (CS), or information science (IS). I have a traumatic brain injury due to my involvement in the United States Marine Corps. (USMC). An injury which, on occasion, makes me feel as if I am not part of the human species.
Wow. This is nice.
07:54
> The analytical and logical parts of my brain are on overdrive and the emotional – the human – parts of my brain are only working at half capacity. The pain I can take, but the constant need to change myself, to consciously change my thought processes is a constant battle which slowly drains the life out of me. So, to a man like me, the trend in an increasing mixture of technology and people leaves me with hope that the veterans who come after me,
> those who injuries are as bad or worse than my own, will have an option. That this change in technological integration will provide a start to the research needed to develop smarter and smarter machines which are integrate with our daily lives and, indeed, within ourselves. Will provide a path such that no person will ever feel themselves as part of another species due to their brain not functioning the way a normal humans functions.
okay, that's full abstract from draft
That was really nice. On that note, do you still feel that way?
(that you're a part of some other species?)
also true - academia takes all kinds but we demand dedication and intelligence (hard to define) - the better you can prove one the less one considers the other
yes
on some level I always will
How do you deal with it?
hence, focus on NLP (directly applicable to veterans and Bio) and my strength in applications - but on inverse side I may be too focused
which the physical pain or emotional/mental ones?
either way, one day meet a veteran who can barely piece together 3 words - I am lucky
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