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12:01
@poke "The little box that sings" is a wonderful thing. I sometimes wish I'd learned violin when I was younger, but it does take a lot of practice, and a decent instrument, to sound good. Guitar is a lot less work. :) But I really enjoy jamming with violin players when I get the opportunity.
I just prefer the sound of a violin over pretty much everything else, so guitar wouldn’t have been an option.
I learned to play keyboard when I was little.
But looking back, I would have liked the violin more.
I had guitar lessons when I was younger but had (in retrospect) a horrible teacher and it was dreadfully boring ... I always thought I had no talent for music until I got a free guitar two years ago and figured I might as well try it ... I'm not exactly Eric Clapton, but found that I'm actually not bad at it either (e.g. I can actually play a few tunes)
Lesson: motivation and having fun is critical in learning stuff
At least ... it is for me ...
Here's one I posted a while back, before Carpetsmoker and Andras were regulars. It's my favourite piece of blues violin: Don "Sugarcane" Harris playing & singing Directly From My Heart to You, written by "Little" Richard Penniman.
@Carpetsmoker Most definitely. I've been playing guitar for over 40 years, and I still try to practice regularly. I'm currently having a bit of a break, due to sore joints in my hands, but I usually play for an hour or two every day. And you can't do that if you don't enjoy it. :)
@Carpetsmoker Absolutely. Me and my brother both (independently) stopped learning keyboard when we got a new teacher who was just terrible and only made us play stupid stuff (gospel songs and stuff like that…)
12:10
Ideally, one should start learning a musical instrument before the age of ten, but that's not critical. But you generally have the most motivation to get good at your instrument in your teen years, when you want to impress people you're attracted to. :)
cbg
@poke your parents were wise:P
I'm not saying that adults don't want to impress people they're attracted to. But they generally don't have the same raw emotional intensity pushing them as someone full of teen hormones does :)
@PM2Ring Ah, good ol' Zappa ...
@PM2Ring Plus time ...
@Carpetsmoker That, too. :)
12:13
I mean, I have to work, go home, cook, have some other hobbies, friends, etc... Not so much time left for consistent practice
@PM2Ring thanks, listening:)
@Carpetsmoker You need to get some friends who are also musicians, so you can socialise and play at the same time. :)
@PM2Ring First I need to get over my fear of playing in front of people :-/
gimme teh codez
I am only looking for relevant code snippets for the requirement, which should not be more than 6-7 lines. Would be great if someone can assist. — Sagar 4 hours ago
hi gyus, I have this strange problem with python encoding, explained here: unix.stackexchange.com/questions/273383/…
12:18
call of the hammer
@Carpetsmoker The secret is to transform the fear into excitement. But yeah, find people to jam with who are roughly at the same skill level as yourself, so you don't need to worry too much about making mistakes.
It took me a long time to get used to playing in front of anyone. I totally understand. But PM's suggestion is spot on. It was only until I started playing with people that were roughly at the same skill level, I started getting more comfortable. Now those people moved away :(
@AndrasDeak Why?
@poke Listening to bad keyboard playing is preferable to listening to bad violin playing. :)
haha, and you can turn down the keyboard volume ;P
12:24
or trombone
I used to play trombone
my parents must have really hated me
I used to play flute :[
I eventually upgraded to bass and then guitar. So I got my cool points back.
:P
Can you play anything useful with just a bass?
I always felt it was a complementary instrument that’s not really worth much without a band
(just like the drums)
@idjaw Bummer. :( Mind you, a really good musician can play with less-skilled players without making them feel nervous, but players like that are hard to find.
@poke Squarepusher has a few insane bass solo's. A really good bass player can blow your mind with what they can do with a bass
12:28
@poke that's why ;)
@poke It does get a bit boring without other instruments to interact with, unless you're a genius. But you can always play along with recordings.
hm
Random accept 18 months later \o/
I’ll take that as a no then :P
@Ffisegydd great!:)
12:29
Hooray, node-gyp now has support for the Python launcher on Windows! +1 for more cross platform compatibility
Just because I'm Canadian and I have to do this, here is Rush with a bass and drum solo, because Rush and because Canada
oh canada.
so good
@idjaw One word: Nickelback.
@Carpetsmoker you take that back....take that back
We don't want them
Package deal. Let's make a trade
the people you don't want for Nickelback
share the pain
Rush are the greatest band ever
Justin Bieber?
12:33
@PM2Ring Depends what music you play, I suppose ... e.g. I think people like Skip James or Hobart Smith did pretty well without a backing band ;-)
oh blues! :)
Love blues
You listen to Muddy Waters?
love Muddy Waters
I have a record or two, but it's not my favourite...
@Carpetsmoker Sure, but Poke was asking about playing solo bass.
Ah, I missed that part
Ruins is only bass & drums, and that's pretty cool stuff (if you're into "weird" experimental music anyway)
Also, playing the bass actually got me to pay attention to the instrument ... I don't think I ever really "noticed" the instrument before I played it ... certainly not like I do now
I went back to the bass when I realized I was missing a little something in some stuff I was recording
12:37
@idjaw Not bad! He obviously likes Jaco Pastorius.
@PM2Ring dude, right on!
But speaking of tasty bass playing, check out the delightful Australian bass player, Tal Wilkenfeld, performing with Jeff Beck and Vinnie Colaiuta doing Beck's arrangement of the Stevie Wonder composition Cause We've Ended As Lovers
I played bass a bit when I was younger, and it certainly gave me insights into guitar that I otherwise wouldn't have had. FWIW, my best bass was an Ibanez copy of a fretless Fender Precision bass.
Oops! I forgot to mention Jason Rebello on keyboards is also playing with Jeff, Tal & Vinnie.
On the topic of instruments, I'm eyeing a new acoustic guitar purchase
@Ffisegydd Nice! Random upvotes I can kinda understand, but super-late accepts are always a bit of a puzzle.
I want this
<3
"Javascripthon"
Something a bit more up-tempo from Jeff & friends: Stratus
@Ffisegydd that...can we use it for "convert this code for me" answers...just for the lol?
:D
@Ffisegydd Wow, a Foo-to-JavaScript compiler. Why didn't anyone think of this before!?
user559633
12:53
cbg all
@Carpetsmoker Dude, they have. It's actually been done quite a bit. You should get with the times.
@idjaw Tasty. I've got my eye on a Gretsch resonator, maybe this
@Ffisegydd Yes, I know ...
@PM2Ring gorgeous. I love resonators. I almost got one a few years back.
12:58
@Carpetsmoker I know you know. Don't try to out-sarcasm me.
Your sarcasm was rather low in sarcasm score...
Really?
I believe CoffeeScript is one the most "feared techs" according to the SO dev survey by they way... I think it even "outscored" Perl :-/
Also lots of snide remarks about CF in comments ... I wonder why the JS people hate it so much, because aside from a few flaws it's a pretty decent language IMHO
user559633
"a few flaws"
@tristan You may enjoy this: In These Shoes? by Kirsty MacColl.
user559633
13:08
there were "a few whoopies" under augusto pinochet's rule
user559633
@PM2Ring a new england....being listened to in new england
... Yes ... Comparing a murderous dictator to a programming language is totally appropriate ... :-/
user559633
@Carpetsmoker Yes, it is.
I mean, Java is literally Hitler, so I see no issue.
user559633
At least Pinochet only fucked over people in one country.
user559633
13:10
@PM2Ring Interesting. It's maybe too polished for me, but the part at 1:21 is fun
I am not having this conversation
Bye
user559633
okay, you're new to the room. i was being incredibly hyperbolic. in no way do i think the two concepts are at all alike or comparable
@tristan :) I like Kirsty's version of the song A New England better than Billy Bragg's original. And you really should check out Kirsty & the Pogues singing Fairytale of New York
user559633
i like me the pogues
13:14
@tristan The official video is better quality, but I like the rawness of that other clip.
user559633
@PM2Ring yeah -- pogues live stuff is great because there's a certain energy to it
user559633
@PM2Ring oh this is great. thank you for linking this to me
My pleasure!
Hello Guy, I need little help in python. I have created exe file using cx_Freeze and it's created successfully, but when i do run exe it shows fatal error "No module named flask.ext.cors". My code is working fine with python command. please help me to figure out issue.
user559633
are you using a virtualenv?
13:18
I believe in your setup file you need to include that library.
yes i am using virtualenv
You were using pyinstaller earlier, I assume you've dropped that?
yes
but that didn't work
@Karan when it says your file returned -1 in pyinstaller that means you have an error sent to stderr. You should redirect that to where you can read it.
I have tried to include it in options but it shows error when i run build command
where i can check that error ?
13:22
@Programmer Don't confuse the old problem (pyinstaller) with their latest problem (cx_Freeze)
when i was using pyinstaller i got lot's of warning about missing module in warn.txt file
@Karan we can't debug both for you at the same time, pick one and go forward with it.
Hey up Kevijn.
Ok, can you please help with cx_freeze
I haven't had much experience with cx_Freeze but I assume the problem has to do with you error when building.
What's your code? What exactly did you do? You'll need to provide an MCVE
13:26
I've been online for five minutes today and I've already voted to close two questions. It's shaping up to be a grumpy day.
Well, this is my new favorite question title.
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Q: Tiny copper waffle squares inside computer

eyqsI've been hearing a sound from inside my MSI GE60 laptop for a while now, so I opened it up to find that these two tiny copper waffle squares came loose. They were originally stuck to the board with some black adhesive, so I stuck them on again, but a few days later, they came loose again. Aft...

The waffles are inside the computer!
wafflecopter
> As you can see in other images of the GE60 motherboard, the waffles are nowhere to be found
> ps, if I told you they were tiny waffles, would you eat them?
@Kevin: That GUI framework request Q is now on hold. In stackoverflow.com/a/36334864/4014959 you might like to suggest doing the str(b) outside the for loop.
13:34
Yeah, agreed.
Hello, everybody. I wanted to ask a question, but I thought it might not be a well-formed one since it is a bit abstract. Actually, what I'm going to ask is about MongoDB. When I wanted to insert a dict to database, it raised an error saying that I wasn't able to insert it to database yet collection. I looked for it in internet but couldn't find a satisfying answer. What is the difference between "collection" and "document"? Maybe "collection" is some kind of template?
I wonder if I should make a note that str(b) isn't always character-for-character identical to the float literal used to initialize b.
It works for 1.860572, but might not necessarily work for other values.
@Kevin Good point!
Hi, Antti! How's the post-op recovery going?
user559633
13:42
._. wat
@ErayErdin I'd suggest you read some tutorials on mongodb, the differences between databases, collections, and documents are well-documented (pun intended).
You might even go so far as to say there's collections of well-documented info on the database.
2 days ago, by Antti Haapala
Nope, appendicitis on holidays. @BhargavRao this was what happened ;)
@Ffisegydd You're on fire!
For more information, refer to the room/6 newsletter.
(That is a lie. There is no newsletter)
It's more of a newslimerick.
13:46
There once was a snake from Nantucket.
"Bro, come over and check out my new sletter"
user559633
There once was a man from Nantucket
Who kept all of his snakes in a bucket
But his snake named three
Created some problems for thee
And as for the bucket, Jon took it
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It's a six cylinder sletter, top of the line. Bluetooth connectivity and it smells like freshly baked croissants.
user559633
i'm hitting peak new england here
There once was a man called Trevor.
Who had a very big -
    RuntimeError.
Something caused your limerick to crash.
13:49
As long as the newsletter is webscale, I don't care what its metre or form, or whether is pipes to dev/null/ for performance.
I only read newsletters that are in iambic pentameter.
Fair - you are classically trained, after all.
user559633
oh wait wrong meter
I only read complaints about things not being in iambic pentameter if they themselves are in iambic pentameter.
I only read newsletters that are in lambic pentameter, bit awkward as they're all on one line.
13:52
@Kevin I don't read things that aren't in groups of ten.
I prefer limbic pentameter, injected straight into my thalamus
@tristan nice save:P
user559633
meh. he left anyway. sad that we're at a point in which you have to wonder if someone comparing a hacky programming language to a brutal dictator is speaking in earnest
@Kevin That was almost iambic novemdecimeter.
Quoth he, I shall not read your form free verse,
Your documentary prose is even worse
13:55
Thalamus breaks it because it's THAL-a-mus.
@tristan indeed:(
<leaves to compose a shakespearian ode to SOPython>
So is it too late for me to ask what a virtualenv is? <joking, I'm not really asking, I'm going to google it>
I'm not at work, BTW, for those that may be thinking that UK academia consists of composing barely relevant iambic pentameter.
/me is watching yesterday’s demo of Ubuntu bash on Windows. They are just showing that they can apt-get and they are installing Git.
Ubuntu just installed Git 1.9.1.
13:57
@JRichardSnape don't you have liberal arts in academia?
That's only if you're an English Literature prof.
THAT is my problem with package managers on Linux!
@poke what? that it installs git?
The current Git version is 2.8.0.
oooh
that's not a linux issue, it's an ubuntu issue
and you can change the repos to point to up-to-date git, right?
13:58
It’s really the same on every Linux distribution I’ve ever used.
maybe you've been using the stable ones:P
(I'm only guessing, I most certainly have)
yes, but Git 1.9.1 is hardly “stable”.
That’s outdated.
I know...since I've been using python:D
I came across missing features way too often
All this talk of iambic pentameter reminded me of SPL
(started with python-numpy package rather than pipping stuff, for instance)
13:59
I’m usually compiling all the stuff myself.
Which is really against the point of package managers
But updating package sources without messing up all the other system packages is terribly hard.
@poke tell me about it, in openSUSE it feels you have to add a different repo for almost everything
want supervisor? add a repo!
./configure && make && make install is so much easier.
@poke git --version 2.5.0
14:03
hm?
on my ubuntu.
so old distro
You’re running wily?
on wily here, 2.5.0 too
14:05
This is what happens what I type python in my terminal paste.pound-python.org/show/XJyyigIERsC0ofZno8j9
so far I tried reinstalling pip doesn't work. I am unable to uninstall kivy paste.pound-python.org/show/jSnRZ8cLn5KvqlyB0iGU or check the list of packages installed paste.pound-python.org/show/ObSEd3KHGcpPNhppk2kV
Ubuntu on Windows apparently is the LTS, trusty.
@poke what did you think about the demo otherwise...
I guess they're ever only going to do the POSIXish system calls, ever.
and others will return ENOSYS
will they have python2 installed by default on windows?
@AbhishekBhatia no, windows does not have any python by default
user559633
i don't know. did you? what happened when you googled that question?
@AnttiHaapala That demo didn’t really show much that I didn’t already expect (it was a bit too “wow, exciting, vi in a console window” (apparently they never run vim in a PowerShell?)). I was a bit surprised to hear that a lot of Ruby stuff is not working yet—didn’t expect that tbh.
Apart from that, everything I wrote earlier today still applies, including my concerns.
so, they do not even have all the required system calls for ruby.
But they can compile hello world using gcc!
cbg people
14:11
@poke trusty has 1.9.1, confirmed
@PM2Ring at home now; my biggest health issue at the moment seems to be my cough
I’m really curious how this will eventually develop. I fear a bit that this ends up being a cool thing that isn’t taken far enough and will only be useful in a very limited scenario. – Which will ultimately be a bad thing because they advertise it big but then it fails.
@tristan Lol if OP thinks he can change site-wide culture by making a meta post.
I hope it fails, because if it does not fail, then everyone will say "but you can run ubuntu on windows anyway"
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@tristan I'm surprised you haven't brought up django yet;)
user559633
14:12
@Kevin Especially because the subtext is "if we don't treat women like easily offended children, we'll never get more of them in the industry!!"
or who was that if not them?
Aside: I don't particularly like the Lenna picture as a test image standard. I think it looks washed-out.
Like it came from a twenty year old magazine. Oh wait, it did.
@tristan I was also considering leaving a comment along the lines of "If it weren't for Lena, a lot of programmers would never see a woman"
but decided that it might be seen as controversial
user559633
Jokes are problematic
> It's not explicit or overtly sexual, just a woman in a hat.
^ It’s also a woman only in a hat ;P
But that meta is stupid.
14:15
I honestly didn't know Lena was from Playboy
user559633
Oh, I did ;) (because i was using it as a test image and i thought "oh this is a pretty lady, i wonder if it came from a Kodak test sheet or something")
Of course you did @tristan
There's the core issue for me: this seems like a very small hill to die on, because in order for someone to be offended by the Lena picture, they can't just look at it; they have to know its backstory.
:D
user559633
14:18
Yep. And once you know its backstory because you had to look for it, you then have to want to be offended on behalf of others.
@AndrasDeak who is Lena if i may ask :)
A person completely new to the industry isn't likely to hear that backstory. More likely they're going to go years before learning its provenance, at which point they're a little too invested to abandon a profession over an image.
Lenna or Lena is the name given to a standard test image widely used in the field of image processing since 1973. It is a picture of Lena Söderberg, shot by photographer Dwight Hooker, cropped from the centerfold of the November 1972 issue of Playboy magazine. The spelling "Lenna" comes from the anglicisation used in the original Playboy article. == History == Before Lenna, the first use of a Playboy magazine image to illustrate image processing algorithms was in 1961. Lawrence G. Roberts used two cropped 6-bit grayscale facsimile scanned images from Playboy's July 1960 issue featuring Playmate...
Thanks Kevin
user559633
I can't wait for this current wave of oppression/offense fetishism to go away.
I guess my viewpoint is "if you want to fight the gender disparity in tech, there are better uses of your time than this"
user559633
14:21
But this is so easy and gives you sweet internet attention.
@Ffisegydd Thanks for answer. As I said, I could not just understand the thing, so I wanted to ask. :)
@ErayErdin Yes. But then again you're asking for help on mongodb in a Python chatroom, the fact that you're using Python is besides the point as you're asking for help in the internals of mongo. I'd still point you to tutorials though if you're still struggling. The concepts of databases, collections, and documents is quite simple and is discussed as one of the first things in most tutorials. If you're really struggling with these concepts then you're going to have much bigger issues later on.
I remember searching for Lena's provenance during my image processing classes at Uni. I think that was before blocking access to certain sites by institutional filters was de rigeur, so there was a potentially embarassing few moments as the original popped up on screen. Oops.
14:36
@JRichardSnape Classy.
Well, y'know, shucks, how was I to know? C'est la vie. Hardly the most embarrassing thing I did at uni, there was this one tim<self censorship filter has redacted further statements>
"This one time, in beard camp..."
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Hello
hello
Does anyone have experience with having SAS call and execute a Python script?
14:42
@dustin 1. Please read the room rules sopython.com/chatroom regarding asking if anyone knows X. 2. Whilst you're using Python indirectly, it would be more appropriate for you to look for help somewhere that is dedicated to SAS.
Nope.
@Ffisegydd the preamble "does anyone know" isn't a big deal. It is how I phrase questions. I don't plan on changing how I do things for one specific purpose of my life.
[here we go.jpg]
Oooo, arguing about the room rules. This always ends well.
DSM
DSM
Make it in to the office after a lot of transit nonsense and find we're playing a lot of soccer..
14:47
I want to play soccer
@dustin That preamble sounds like an attempt to target your question to an individual, and we don't like that kind of behaviour here. You ask the question, and allow whoever has the skill and inclination to respond.
> You may ask your question without a preamble.
For example, you do not need to say “anyone here know Django?” before asking a question about Django. Even if you do, the Django experts in the room might not step forward until hearing the actual question. They may not wish to commit themselves to help until they know how much effort it will entail.
@dustin I don't know if you bothered to read the rules linked or not, nevertheless that is the portion that you should be interested in.
It says you "may" ask without a preamble. It doesn't say you "must"
Or as I put it recently:
Mar 22 at 13:55, by PM 2Ring
@BhargavRao Or re-write it as: "Do not attempt to target individuals with your question as it makes you look like a help vampire or stalker".
DSM
DSM
14:49
@Ffisegydd: we actually had exactly this ambiguity the other day with someone else. It might be worth an edit.
(Am I 100% convinced the other guy was in earnest? No. But I'm not 100% convinced he wasn't.)
@PM2Ring seconded.
and the motion was carried.
Yeah, it could use a rewrite.
This seems like something of a gray area to me actually. For all I know, dustin's question contains all the information required to solve his problem, so the "...until they know how much effort it will entail" clause doesn't apply.
Yeah agreed on the potential re-write.
I remember my times of being vampire :D
haha
that didn't end up well
14:51
FYI @dustin - as you may have guessed you've hit a touchy subject, probably inadvertantly. You can see the intent, anyway.
If there was an SAS expert in here, they might have been able to go "yeah, you just do require("system").execute("python mypythonscript.py")" or something.
DSM
DSM
By itself, though, the "target individuals" doesn't explain what targeting entalis. I wouldn't have guessed "does anyone know Django?" would be considered targeting.
If someone puts edits into a wiki page we can look at changes to the rules (to edit the rules we have to actually change the source code and re-deploy so it's a slightly non-trivial task)
DSM
DSM
Speaking of room-level decisions, did I miss a general meeting?
No we never had one in the end, it was meant to be January D:
Jon mentioned the other day we should hold one soon.
14:52
I'd love to join a general meeting
guys I need music, pls give music
DSM
DSM
Yeah, let's schedule one in (say) mid-April.
@corvid give me genre
DSM
DSM
enka!
14:53
Mid-April sounds good.
So by my reckoning, the problem wasn't the preamble. It was that the question was off-topic. I wonder if SO has a SAS room...
@PM2Ring Can't be any worse than a complete casual trying to pick up and install *nix, let alone attempt to use it.
@corvid Here's some nice guitar music by a Serbian mother of two Navaho Moon
I like Mid-April as well
@Kevin This room is a sass room when Tristan is here.
14:54
@IntrepidBrit Fair call. That usually ends in tears and frustration.
@idjaw I'm pretty open to most things, but usually prefer very fast-paced and intense sounding (regardless of genre)
Wed 13th Apr?
@davidism can you send me that link of help vampire, i have a couple of friends to send them ?
yeah, that'd be it
@corvid Squarepusher
Grr, no one-boxing.
I'm not sure if it's fast enough for you, but it's definitely intense.
anyone listening rock'n'roll here ?
@Morgan'Venti'Thrappuccino This is pretty good, something different than usual for sure
@MarkoMackic Sure, I'll listen to most anything that's not country.
14:57
I listen to everything
except Bieber and Nickelback. Because that's not music
Whatever mod kicked me, we should talk in a private room. I didn't do anything inappropriate. I wasn't rude. I read the rules. Therefore, I contacted SE about the zeal of the this type of behavior which isn't befitting.
@corvid If you like the vocalist, that's Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree. They're a little slower, but they have this awesome atmospheric prog metal sound.
I just bought 13 new albums in the last week, went on a bit of a spree on Bandcamp.
14:58
Here's some fresh fish: Samantha Fish Bitch On The Run NYC 2-13-16
@dustin It wasn't a mod, it was me (as a Room Owner).
@Ffisegydd well I contacted SE because I didn't break a rule as it is outlined.
That is of course your right to do so.
@dustin you might want to stop arguing :) i mean they'll kick you again, i know from experience

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