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8:00 PM
I'm more or less forced to learn a lot of different languages for school, but it doesn't make me happy
 
Air
@Ffisegydd You know one now :P
 
I'd rather excel in 1
 
its not for immediate use, i just find it super interested and powerful and want to learn it
 
@Air edited :P
 
After the initial hurdle of language-specific syntax, a lot of the concepts you learn in one language will be entirely transferable to most other languages.
 
8:00 PM
anyone into Python + Blender ?
 
like even if did not have to ever read english, still it would be such a waste not to read all that material that is only written in english
 
@animaacija a few. Ask your question.
 
Djikstra's Algorithm will work anywhere you care to implement it, for example
 
DSM
@Kevin: yeah, just the other day we deduced a PHP problem just by extrapolating patterns..
 
Air
I would say that not only should you learn a language in depth, you should apply it to a sizable project
 
8:01 PM
+1
 
Air
You can learn so much more from having to work on an actual project than you can by writing 100 tiny scripts for Project Euler and the like
 
user559633
I disagree. You should get drunk and eat chicken nuggets that are shaped like dinosaurs.
 
@Kevin it takes much more to write a well-performing dijkstra in C
 
yeah i am doing an udacity course on data science that uses python
 
@tristan +1
 
user559633
8:02 PM
computers are stupid
 
For me, the most expedient learning process is choosing an interesting project that is just slightly harder than you know how to deal with.
 
are you a motivational speaker?
 
Air
Ugh. I had to listen to a terrible motivational speaker at a union lunch recently. He took so long to say so little.
 
Although you need enough skill to accurately gauge the difficulty of hypothetical projects first.
 
user559633
I'm a demotivational speaker.
 
Air
8:03 PM
Blah blah blah legacy, blah blah blah passion
 
"I know, I'll make a text adventure, those seem easy" says the neophyte. But little do they know.
 
user559633
That they totally are easy, but really boring, so people go offroading and get in deep.
 
It's a teeny tiny step from "writing a text adventure" to "writing a text adventure DSL". And I don't know many programmers who have avoided that step and actually produced a game.
 
I always start a new language making a GUI based (simple) POS with database tie-in
 
Air
@Kevin Yes, but that's impossible for a beginner, so you really have to take a shot in the dark and know when to quit and try something else
 
8:05 PM
in the middle future, i wanna build a gto poker bot :)
 
Air
Which, coincidentally, is also kind of impossible...
 
DSM
If memory serves, Gareth Rees once visited here. Can't remember if I said hello or not.
 
user559633
@JGreenwell haha oh god, did you almost stop using python because of tkinter?
 
Knowing when to give up is also a skill that needs training :-D
 
Give up early, give up often. That's what I say.
 
8:05 PM
@tristan no, but I started in COBOL so nothing will ever look as bad
 
Air
@WayneConrad And on that note, I'mma eat lunch.
 
A fine philosophy. You should write a book about it, but never publish it because it's hard.
 
user559633
@WayneConrad That's the motto of my hometown. "Welcome to Portland. Thanks for giving up"
 
Air
Not chicken fingers shaped like dinosaurs, sadly
@tristan ME or OR?
 
DSM
8:06 PM
Into every life a little rain must fall.
 
user559633
I'm going to go into business selling gourmet chicken fingers shaped like dinosaurs
 
user559633
@Air Definitely one of those.
 
Air
@tristan So your spirit animal is either Stephen King or Fred Armisen. Ouch.
 
DSM
@tristan: at Edinburgers? Hearts on Fire?
 
Air
Oh, nix that, King lived in Bangor.
 
8:07 PM
@tristan That'd be awesome. Because chickens are theropod dinosaurs after all.
 
user559633
Hmm yes, for tonight's special we have the house pterodactyl chicken nuggets, free range of course, with a tomato-based demi-glasse. suggested pairing is the rhone juicebox wine.
 
when i have a try, except construct, can i just have one line of code in the try part, or as many as i like ?
 
the latter
 
user559633
@StephanKetterer as many as your heart desires.
 
I'm just starting the tkinter part though....so its great to know I have something to look forward to
 
user559633
8:09 PM
You can even nest try/excepts.
 
@StephanKetterer what made you doubt?
 
def fix_area(area):
    try:
        area =float(area)
        return area
    except ValueError:
		return None
it says i get a string
and i should try to convert it into a float, and if not possible return None
 
@Ffisegydd thx. there is this inspect module, i import it, it allows a lot For my learning span i want to know how to use this to see what procedures are called in function (for example in: bpy.ops.mesh.primitive_plane_add )? //
//so i could reproduce these and build my mesh programmically
 
the udacity infos on what they want are often confusing to me ( i often don't know what they want from me)
 
8:12 PM
What you have so far seems right, provided ValueError is the right error to except
 
@StephanKetterer I don't suppose you're doing something like:
area = "23.5"
fix_area(area)
print(area)
 
user559633
ValueError is the correct exception.
 
In which case, a string would be printed and not a float (although I guess this is a bad example since their printed representations are identical)
This is because modifying area inside a function has no effect on the value of variables outside the function, even if they are also named area
 
DSM
Why do I only have 2004 USA data on pneumococcal infections? Why does Canada do such a bad job of reporting on meningitis? Aaargh. #realtalk
 
"Maybe that's what I'm doing, maybe not", you say. "If so, what should I do about it?" Well, when you have a function with a return value, if you want to access that value, conventionally you assign the result somewhere.
area = "23.5"
area = fix_area(area)
print(area)
 
8:14 PM
hmmm @Kevin so even though i go in my function with "23.5" in your example , convert it successfully in the function to a float, and return it, outside it is still a string ?
 
MY CALCULATOR, IT LIVETH
 
Now you'll get the float.
 
oh, so the variable definition has to be changed outside the function
 
Effectively, yes.
 
8:16 PM
i am sure that is not the correct way to say it :)
 
@RobertGrant How dare you tamper in God's domain? You're mad!
 
@DSM Just quit it, either help or get out Wow that's sort of impressive...
 
@DSM flagged
 
There are some exceptions where changes can be made to values inside a function, and this change is visible outside the function. But this only happens to "mutable" values, and only for certain modifications, of which assignment is not one. Strings are not mutable in any case.
 
thank you, but what you are also saying is, what i wrote (the few lines) seems to be correct ?
 
8:17 PM
What is the role of the room owners, apart from owning the room?
 
@StephanKetterer The function itself is fine, yes
 
@TimCastelijns that's basically it. Along with everything it implies.
Rbrb!
 
DSM
@Tim: kind of like being a bartender, I guess.
 
@TimCastelijns Maintaining law and order.
 
@DSM so I can complain to you about my social life and stuff?
 
8:18 PM
Actually I like the bartender analogy.
 
buh. People keep interrupting stuff to ask questions without even checking what the error is :|
 
@Tim honestly, other people do :P
 
@StephanKetterer Besides some unusual indentation. It would be nice if return None was on the same level as return area.
 
DSM
@Tim: sure! These headphones I'm wearing are just for show, I'm paying total attention. :-)
 
And do you also drink during work hours?
 
8:20 PM
Uhhhhh...
 
@Kevin Actually it is... maybe just converted it wrong here
 
Oh, ok
 
DSM
This room has visitors from many different time zones. It's quitting time somewhere..
 
22.21 pm here
 
That somehow makes perfect sense
 
8:22 PM
we also get days off (or work nights)
 
We're pretty well represented on most continents except for Asia and Australia
 
what a day, poker went well and i learned a ton :)
 
PM covers Aus. China/SE Asia is out weak spot.
 
DSM
Sorry I moved back to the New World. :-/
 
And Antarctica, when I'm not positioned over it in my orbital laser platform every 32 hours.
 
8:23 PM
What this room needs is a sushi chef.
 
@Kevin just the fairly small continents then? :p
 
Australia is small but it's got good defensive positioning and gets you two armies per round in RISK.
 
Australia is an awesome thing to have in Risk. It's so hard to invade.
 
I am occasionally in SE asia :D
 
I was always partial to N/S America and Africa myself though.
 
8:27 PM
Well... that's mostly because everything there is capable of killing you - why would you want to invade it?
 
@Ffisegydd Is that critter really that fat, or is it a trick of perspective?
 
The H&I queue is rapidly growing
 
@Wayne I believe it's a flying squirrel so no doubt it has a lot of skin between it's arms/legs to glide.
 
My IRL friends usually stake a fierce claim on North American and Australia. Asia is right out and South America is the first target on NA's mind, so I usually go for Europe or Africa.
But not before I attempt to house-rule the Moon and the ice caps into the game as capturable territory.
 
Africa is useful to periodically wind people up by taking a country in EU or S Am.
 
8:29 PM
The room owners definitely do not perform dark rituals on the weekends. Also, there is no secret control panel to NinjaAI.
 
Air
If you like Risk but find the random elements frustrating, try Diplomacy
 
We should put together a room Risk game.
Do the moves via chat.
Roll dice using RABBIT.
It'll be the thing that finally drives our community apart.
 
Yeah... but it'd be fun :)
 
Especially when the Pan-American alliance (Zero, davidism, DSM, and Kevin) try to drive and take Asia from the European Union of Cabbage.
 
pretty sure european union would just die infighting
 
8:33 PM
Maybe the chat rooms can be the territories, with some rules to make connections betewen them. You can attack from Python to Ruby because they're both dynamic languages...
 
Ummm... well... Zero's a brit... so he'll sabotage the mission for us :0
 
Unless he's gone... native
 
DSM
I knew there was something sketchy about him.
 
And @Kevin probably won't be much good... he'll be in basement fixing the KevinScript parser/etc.... too busy to attack stuff
 
i love british people ...everytime i look outside to the bad german weather.. i think there is one place where it sucks even more
 
8:35 PM
@Stephan it's been gloriously warm here all week ;)
 
then you'd all love me right, since I live in Oulu.
 
it was 25 degrees here today and people were swimming in the lake :P
 
@Antti do you look out to Pluto and think - they'd be a better place to live?
 
Pan-American Alliance? I don't *think* so. Have you heard this one?
Q: Why has there never been a military coup in the United States?
A: Because they don't have a US Embassy.
 
@JonClements yes
 
8:36 PM
Oooooh good. In fighting for the enemy. This is good.
 
DSM
I'm not as optimistic about the NorthAm chances any more. Fellow New Worlders, I propose making an alliance with our Indian friends.
 
LOL at this title:
"python absorption galactic simulation"
 
Haha!
 
Vaultah needs to ensure that the Russian states are secure.
Hey don't laugh at people who write astrophysics simulations in Python. They have feelings too!
 
@Ffisegydd of course they are - that guy Putin's got it all sorted....
 
8:40 PM
0
Q: python absorption galactic simulation

Édi Leungfor k in range(7): Rs += k Zs += 0.01*k for i in range(len(B)): print 'i=',i for j in range(len(L)): MAP[i,j] = DensiteCol(L[j], B[i], 20., 1000.) plt.xlabel('l') plt.ylabel('b') plt.imshow(MAP) plt.show() #plt.savefig('Q8_'k'.jpg') [...

after 10 minutes, cv pls the above :D
 
DSM
sniff
 
the question might be about "how do I make a filename that contains an increasing number"
 
@AnttiHaapala Wow. It got an answer. Do you think that's for real, or is the answerer bluffing? The guy must be psychic.
 
DSM
IIUC, I see two questions: one, the name; two, the orientation.
 
but of course the galactic simulation sounds so much grander...
 
8:44 PM
How do you usually respond to I'm expecting your responses quickly, because it's bit urgent or similar in questions? Apart from editing it out of course
 
I don't know
@TimCastelijns slowly :D
 
Haha. I quite like the vibe in this chat room
 
0
Q: how to create classifiers to recognize image sequence patterns using a video in opencv

AndersonI need to recognize set of image sequence in a video file.(such as running, jumping,sixes in a cricket match etc.). So my expectation is to generate classifiers from a set of image sequence from a video stream. So I want to know weather is it possible to achieve my goal. If so can you please guid...

this one
give it the flag. close as too broad
@TimCastelijns you respond to these questions by coming to the python chatroom, pasting the link, with [tag:cv-pls]
 
Yeah that one
I just edited it out, left a small comment and moved on
 
and maybe cast a cv yourself
 
8:47 PM
I don't usually bother reading wall of text questions
 
read and cv
then they perhaps will learn to not write such...
 
Read, agreed, cv'd
I'm also tempted to -1 because it's formatted like shit
 
@TimCastelijns it would be removed anyhow after closure
 
I have no experience with that. My power ends at casting cv
 
no, roomba
 
8:52 PM
Meaning
 
164
A: Enable automatic deletion of old, unanswered zero-score questions after a year?

Jeff AtwoodJust to formally document the exact policies we have in place to remove old abandoned / dead questions, the Community user will delete questions in the following circumstances: If the question is more than 30 days old, and ... has −1 or lower score has no answers is not locked ...or... it ...

 
The "roomba" is the affectionate name for the script that deletes closed questions after some time with no activity
 
Cheers
 
@davidism Do that with your flying drone :D
 
8:54 PM
lol, I'd just use it to blast really bad music
 
DSM
Speaking of Roombas, there's a bit of a conflict at the moment between the company and astronomers over spectrum use. Robot vacuums and astrophysicists, natural enemies!
 
On Fridays it would just fly around playing "Friday" by Rebecca Black.
@DSM I saw that, I don't get why it would be hard for Roomba to come up with a different solution.
"We absolutely need strong wireless signals embeded in the ground." seems false.
 
DSM
[Unpopular opinion alert: I never quite got why the Internet was so hard on Black. No, the song's not very good. But it's no worse than about a gazillion other songs by beginners. Never thought I'd say this, but good on Katy Perry.]
 
Counterpoint: Chinese Food
 
8:59 PM
My beef with black was not with her but rather my colleague who would sing it. Repeatedly. Every Friday.
 
DSM
@davidism: yeah, I think they're just reluctant to work around it. We can't really change methanol.
 
It's nearly as bad as the song "Hannah Montana stole my jeans" which my other colleague would sing.
 
how do I check a mouse button was released in pygame?
Thanks in advance
 
DSM
@Ffisegydd: I'm going to take your word for it, and resist visiting YouTube, which is my usual move when someone mentions a song I've never heard of.
 
9:01 PM
Sounds like you have some 'interesting' colleagues
 
i'm having an issue with printing
 
ok
 
x = [1,2,3,4,5]

for i in x:
print(i, end=',')
i'm having an issue with printing
 
More bad songs: Kidz Bop's version of Thrift Shop is amazing and bad
 
what are you trying to print?
 
9:02 PM
the code prints 1,2,3,4,5, how to i get rid of the last comma so i can have 1,2,3,4,5....Thanks
 
try

x = [1,2,3,4]
 
The effort they go to to change the lyrics is great.
 
@danidee print(','.join(x))
 
@IntrepidBrit Just the right amount, @IntrepidBrit, just the right amount.
 
@Sword if you literally type that question into Google you'll get your answer.
 
9:02 PM
for i in x:
print(i+", ")
 
That would still print , after the 5
 
DSM
@Stormy: that won't work because you can't add integers and strings, and would still print a trailing comma.
 
Sorry sword misping there. I meant @Stormy.
 
@Stormy use the "fixed font" button, press Ctrl+K, or indent 4 spaces to format code
 
I'm sorry I am still learning python
 
9:03 PM
Hi Martijn, congrats on your most deserved promotion
 
ok thank you @davidism
 
DSM
@Stormy: Don't worry! I like to keep an interpreter open, just so I can try things first to catch my typos.
 
ah ok
 
@vaultah i tried your suggestion but i got TypeError: sequence item 0: expected str instance, int found
 
Why is it so that if you choose to edit a post in the CV review queue, it jumps to the next post before you can cast a CV on it?
 
9:05 PM
Whoops :( ','.join(str(i) for i in x) then @danidee
 
i had to add one last bracket so it became ( ','.join(str(i) for i in x)) Thanks
 
DSM
@danidee: heh. :-) I think you misread vaultah's emoticon :( as part of the command.
 
but when i'm printing in python3 i'll stlll have to add the brackets though
 
DSM
True enough!
 
Air
9:22 PM
@davidism what have I ever done to you to deserve that link
 
@Air "What up? I've got a hit song!"
@Tim for future reference, we like to wait 10 minutes before cv-pls'ing most questions sopython.com/wiki/cv-pls
 
Understood, sorry. Am reading that page right now
 
Well, that Q is off-topic anyway
 
It is not likely that the question will suddenly be on topic within the next couple of minutes, but I get the point ;-)
11 mins have passed, gogo cv!
 
9:34 PM
It's to cut down on the perception, true or not, that some of the chat rooms were acting like a cv-pls mob.
 
DSM
Plus sometimes all the cv-pls requests were getting in the way of silliness.
 
Isn't there a chat room with the sole purpose of doing just that?
 

SO Close Vote Reviewers

This room is for support and discussion about reviewing and co...
 
Thought I read that on meta once
Cya guys, going to the cool kids' room
 
Although they're more about the cv queue.

 Low Quality Posts HQ

Home of bots for catching low quality posts (and sometimes spa...
a bot tracks cv-pls and other requests across a bunch of rooms and collects them in that room
 
9:38 PM
That is quite something
 
rhubarb all
 
Good night
Nice meeting you all
 
rhubarb
 
Rhubarb is a species of plant in the family Polygonaceae. It is a herbaceous perennial growing from short, thick rhizomes
 
9:47 PM
Laurel
 
Air
Frak. One of the tools we maintain also produces a file format that doesn't escape quotes in fields.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
 
cbg, everyone
 
10:20 PM
cbg
Nothing bugs me more than "Your password cannot be longer than (16) characters."
grr
 
So someone actually had to come up with extra code to check if the password was longer than some minimum (hopefully) and less than some maximum? What are they using, 16-byte DB rows?
 
If by "Someone" you mean "Microsoft," then yes.
My bank doesn't allow me to have passwords longer than 12 characters.
 
your bank is wide open for brute force attacks...
 
10:36 PM
too much security can be a bad thing also
how many passwords can you remember that are greater than 12 characters?
do you write them down or something to remember them?
 
Password managers have been around for a long time. Regardless that's approaching the problem from the wrong side.
 
I will tell you my bank password is 7 digits ... how long would it take to brute force the solution? alphabet = "a-zA-Z0-9!@#$%^&*()-="
 
evening!
 
Not long~
 
with a 5 minute timeout after every 3 attempts?
you mean sometime before the heatdeath of the universe?
that kind of not long?
 
10:39 PM
Online attacks aren't really scary
Offline attacks are
 
finally internet.. Power failures kept striking today (5 times) and my isp is apparently very slow to reboot after a power failure.
It's so damn hard to program python without internet to look up how stuff works, made me wonder: are the offline pdfs of the python site & numpy?
 
@JoranBeasley That's the only way I can remember a password and have it be strong. Take some unrelated words, jam them together, call it a password.
 
Just make the password your username in reverse, maybe copied if it is too small
 
I tend to have to reset my password every single time i log into an account that requires 12+ passwords
 
easy to remember = most important
 
10:42 PM
screams
 
Oh and make sure you write it down inside your pocket, a friend of mine had memory loss after falling during work, and you know how annoying that is.
 
@JoranBeasley I feel like 6-255 length passwords aren't too much to ask.
although I do agree that forcing too strict minimum password restrictions is bad too. My password for www.jimmyjohns.com has the most entropy of any of my non-generated passwords.
 
@AdamSmith thats what i mean
why does jimmyjohns need super passwords?
 
Who the hell knows
 
hell you want 123 as your password
ok
someone "might" order a sub as you
 
10:45 PM
Why any upper limit to max password length? It makes me think that they're storing the password in plaintext and not hashing it. Anyone with an upper limit makes me suspicious of their security.
 
8 character minimum for a bank or something sure i understand that .... but jimmyjohns doesnt need strong passwords
 
Air
If they order the sub for me I wouldn't even be mad
 
Btw why is facebook/google/games etc looking so down on shared accounts? I've always been wondering what their problem is with sharing accounts so you, your friends and your family have easy access to all information. Instead they add all kind of "share this and that with them".
 
neither does timewarner (especially since they dont save any of my payment data)
 
Air
@paul23 Because it interferes with their ability to monetize your personal information
 
10:47 PM
@paul23 is that sarcasm? I cant tell very well on teh internets sometimes
 
@WayneConrad I imagine because they have a whole tech stack to worry about. Sure: your password will be the same length after they scrypt it as anyone else's, but can all the browsers they support really handle text input fields with 300 length?
 
@JoranBeasley not really, honestly wondering, if I feel like it (I share a roof with my family and I am quite sure the stuff in my home is more important to me than a fake id on the internet)
 
@paul23 It's not about you -- you're the product not the customer.
 
@Air Information must be unpersonalized anyways according to the law (at least here) before it can be used for marketing. So it doesn't actually matter to them who is behind the account: only the information that is posted can be linked directly.
 
@paul23 their money comes from ad revenue. They can't go to their affiliates and say "We have 100,000 accounts, but estimate that 5 people use each one."
 
10:50 PM
imagine they allow sharing passwords openly... and then they get sued cause some dumbass gave his account info to someone and they used it to get access to his bank account
I imagine thats why they are against it
 
@AdamSmith It's what tv stations do.. And they haven't had the problem for 80+ years now?
 
Air
@paul23 The point is that it's much harder to predict what ad to serve.
 
@paul23 Totally completely different medium.
 
@AdamSmith I don't really see a big difference but ok if you say so......
 
that may also play a part ... but i suspect that its largely because they are worried about getting sued because they didnt say "you shouldnt share your password or account with anyone"
 
Air
10:52 PM
If user ID 29347 comes in, then the past behaviors of that user should correspond to the person behind the ID in order to serve an ad that person is likely to click.
 
like mcdonalds getting sued for not writing "may be hot" on their styrafoam coffee cups
 
Air
If there are multiple people behind the ID, you now have to attempt to group that user's historical behavior according to multiple people, because if you show the ads that John likes while Nancy is logged in, she won't click them, because she doesn't have a penis to enlarge
 
@JoranBeasley That's weird: bank accounts typically allow sharing of accounts between relatives who live together. - Also they do know that all that sueing is in vain anyways? Most judges will just say "no" to such a claim.
 
"Also they do know that all that sueing is in vain anyways? Most judges will just say "no" to such a claim." Ah, you're a kid. Understood now.
 
the university in the town I live in got sued about 15 years ago because some kid stood on the radiator of the dorm building to moon someone and fell out the window. the kid sued them because they didnt have warning signs not to stand on the radiator
 
10:54 PM
@Air But that info is actually not allowed to be used since a case against google in 2012.
 
Air
Which case is that?
 
banks allow you to share the bank account ... not the online account
 
@Air They may only use information directly typed, no longer stored information linked together
 
Air
Which case?
 
Air
10:56 PM
In what jurisdiction?
 
oh that was @paul23 I thought you were asking about the radiator
 
@JoranBeasley That is actually a better example: I can share my account offline, using offline papers to transfer money by different people - however once I go online and do online banking I can't use the same acocunt.
 
Because online you're an IP, and offline you have a face.
That's been well-established~
 
@Air EU (/netherlands) - I will google for the actual case
 
10:57 PM
but you cant use someone elses ID when you go to the bank either
 
how can i append new meshes to object in python+blender ?
 
@JoranBeasley Uh I can use my parents/wifes bank card, no id necessary (unless for payments above 10 000)
 
when you enter your username/password that is the online equivelent of showing your drivers license
you cant show your wifes drivers licesnse
 
On a completely different topic, just because I wanted to share: I'm making Alton Brown's Pan-Seared Ribeye with a nice, thick slab of meat I just brought home. Yum...
 
when you get pulled over ... or go to the bank for a withdrawl
(or any transaction that wants ID)
@MattDMo I would eat that ... for sure
although I would probably commit a cardinal sin and put A1 on it :P
 
11:00 PM
@JoranBeasley hmm but why do I need a different thing for each and every site then. There are very tight rules on when a company (offline) may ask for an unique ID. Yet online even games do it.
 
because there is no univeral online id ... or there is its id_rsa
 
Guess it's just one of the sad things of having everything online
 
but if they required that then alot of people couldnt use the internet
because of technical barriers
*universal online id
 
@MattDMo I love Good Eats, use the recipes from that show all the time
 
Yeah, Alton is one of my favorite foodies. I'm a scientist, though, so I'm biased :)
 
11:05 PM
@paul23 but by and large online isnt gonna really care if you share your info's ... as long as you dont make a point of rubbing their face in it ... now if you would please send me your bank login and password
 
@Joran this is too good for A1. I was thinking about making some caramelized onions to put on top, but I'm too lazy tonight. Meat is it.
 
Air
What? No infused butter? You pleb!
 
Like I said, I'm feeling lazy tonight :)
I have some Havarti in the fridge, I'm debating whether to put a little of that on top...
 
Air
I don't have steak very often at all. All things being equal, if I'm at a fancy restaurant and money is no object I'd rather have seafood. Mmmm, scallops...
 
Mmmmm sushi
 
11:13 PM
@Air mkbservicedesk.nl/88/… (dutch site)
 
@paul23 pretty sure that only applies to nl
 
also pretty sure they probably click agree somewhere in their google account signup process
 
here's the raw material
 
that does look like a damn good steak
 
11:15 PM
@JoranBeasley it is the dutch interpretation of an EU rule (EU doesn't give laws, they only give hints to what laws have to fullfill).
 
maybe your right ... still pretty sure it doesnt apply to us here in the US ... and not sure how enforceable it is
 
Air
At best it's only limiting their ability to use your personal information
It's still desirable to analyze one person's behaviors in isolation
And it will still happen, within the law or not
 
apparently its just a rule? wich is essentially a suggestion? I should really learn more about EU law ...
 
@JoranBeasley EU doesn't make laws, they only give "baselines" to which all country laws have to fit. Countries can give their own interpretation of those rules. However citizens may go to the EU court to get the laws tested against those rules (test they are too restrictive or lenient). Then the EU can "force" a country to look at the law and change it.
For example the EU law on privacy says that a citizen (other than companies) has to be directly notified on any use of personal data. Now in germany this is interpreted as having to tell each and everytime before actually using the data (and asking for permission) - so very strict. While in poland (I think) it is much more lenient and you may also tell after actually using the personal data.
 
cant you just put a disclaimer at the bottom of the page that say's they are doing it? does google charge for accounts in EU (since they cant monetize them via advertising as usual)? they still can probably do something like analyze searches from a non-personal standpoint (ie Netherlands had 57,000 searches for "Van Goghe" )
 
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@JoranBeasley Au contraire - they can still use all data, they just can't link everything together to a single person. - Or when linking they can't make a history that is not reviewable/editable by the consumer (right to be forgotten).
I think the case I'm thinking about was that google was no longer allowed to link (say) gmail together with google searches etc etc. They were forced to cut those (or the company had to split). - The basis of this case (google having too much influence) is actually now once again in the court in a case for 10 billion euros (this time for abusing a monopoly)
 

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