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3:01 PM
doesn't sound too bad, unless you have to understand a lot of intracacies
 
Well... I have only a vague inkling of what the project's meant to do... so that comes later I guess :)
Haha... forgotten how much I liked the theme tune to Cagney and Lacey! :(
Oh... and that Martin Kove - he was the bad sensei in the Karate Kid films wasn't he?
 
Ok i am gonna ask question is SO
 
go for it, honestly I have no idea
I want to make a program just because I have a really cool idea for a name for it
 
3:22 PM
@corvid "Hello World!?"
 
DSM
True conversation that just happened in our office between me and my favourite intern: national cat day -> Uber kitten delivery service -> San Francisco -> World Series -> start of NBA season -> Spurs -> Spurs v. Mavericks -> Dirk Nowitzki -> Dirk Nowitzki's Christmas songs -> O Tannenbaum. Elapsed time, about one minute. Our team has a new member and I think we broke her mind.
 
3:39 PM
@DSM That's the kind of conversation that'd likely happen in my office... the only worrying thing is that it's just me in my office :(
 
huh, github seems to have dropped all gravatars
now everybody is a gray outline
 
You and MattDiMo are the default octocat... everyone else seems fine...
 
DSM
I had a cached issues page which I went to and saw two images which looked fine. I reloaded and one went octocat where the square-box image remained as it should.
 
@davidism not sure what is going on, I see grey images for some accounts that have uploaded avatars.
 
looks like it's some caching issue, force reload fixes some of them
 
DSM
3:46 PM
Everything is spiralling out of control!
 
Mine seems to work just fine though.
@davidism ah, yes, force reload fixed the grey ones I saw.
 
Ahh... I'm now missing more avatars...
Why does the owners group show 5 repos, but the main group have 4 repos?
 
Wheee, had fun writing a range shifting class.
It is now feature complete..
 
Cbg again
 
apparently my school is asking me if we should move to python for intro to programming class
 
3:51 PM
cbg @vaultah
 
DSM
@Martijn: a little rocket-launcher there, but okay. :-)
 
@DSM yeah, but do the others support reversing? I think not! :-P
 
Oooo.... avatars defintitely disappearing bit by bit: github.com/orgs/sopython/teams
Still don't understand the diff of the repo count?
Ahhh... kesh is the odd one out
 
wuh?
@corvid they did that at my uni, started using Python alongside FORTRAN for programming in physics.
 
my intro class uses javascript currently, seems a little tedious
 
3:55 PM
@Jon fixed it.
 
DSM
@corvid: Javascript as an intro language? Blek.
 
Yeah that sounds nasty.
Weak typing for all!
 
@Ffisegydd Whitespace would be a good first programming language
 
yeah, just introducing loops, variables, if statements, etc. I thought python would be good because of the interpreter, they don't write full programs really
 
How are students supposed to build character if they don't type out public static int main(string[] args){ at the beginning of every single one of their programs?
 
3:58 PM
Ah ok. Yeah Python would be nice for the REPL.
 
DSM
Best practices in JS are so determined by the language's quirks that they don't really teach you many transferable skills which will serve you well elsewhere.
Best practices in KS, on the other hand, are like decathlon training. After learning KevinScript, there's nothing you can't do.
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I showed someone the REPL once... and they were like... so why can't I just use a calculator?
once you start doing more than showing maths in it though, it becomes a bit more obvious :)
 
DSM
Yeah, like {(10*n) % 15 for n in range(1000) if n % 15 == 3}. #callback
 
the first exercises are like "print every number from 1 to 100" or "if a number is divisible by 10, print the number" or something. Setting up a whole dom in js seems overkill for that
 
That's quite interesting... we've had 2.2gb outgoing traffic on sopython... that seems a lot... (for what it is)
 
DSM
4:06 PM
Wow.
 
@JonClements Most likely me.
 
Unless @Zero did end up using it for proxying
 
Yup.
 
that'd make sense :)
fine... I was just thinking... how many hits are we getting then!? :p
 
hrmph. SVGs are both awesome and frustrating
 
4:07 PM
@Zero thanks for the comment there, I'd kinda forgot about the question and that I should reply to rene :P
 
@Zero can I pretend you haven't used it to proxy, and just claim we're getting a quarter million hits a month or something?
 
Is that a problem? I've only used it for DW and WILTY as I recall.
No idea what the bandwidth limits are.
@Ffisegydd you're welcome :-)
 
To be honest I just want @RoomOwners because this morning I wanted to ping everyone to mention the idea of having a quick meeting next week :P now that things are starting to roll more with sopython-dev (as I've decided to christen it).
 
@Zero We're allowed 8000gb a month... so it's not a problem :)
 
@JonClements Aha. In that case, I'll just leave a browser instance open for each UK channel at all times :-)
 
DSM
4:13 PM
Wait, didn't we have a different split-on-commas-but-not-in-brackets question earlier? Re: this one.
 
@DSM Yeah... I seem to recall seeing one :)
 
DSM
Popular subject this morning.
 
@DSM Makes a change from tic-tac-toe or guess the number etc...
 
DSM
I can't remember the content of the original strings but I think it felt different. Could simply be a coincidence.
 
Think the other was more like they had tuples with some element strings? I only looked briefly...
 
DSM
4:17 PM
Oy, guess it wasn't a coincidence: it was the same guy. :-)
 
Oh... LMAO... well done Jon Sharpe I guess :)
 
Someone linked to one of my answers in a question! Yay! I haven't had any upvotes on it from them for using it! Boo!
 
lucky someone's on the ball :)
@Ffisegydd Is it a "I've tried this answer- and it's rubbish and doesn't work?" :)
 
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Q: numpy python 3.4.1 : Python 3.4 not found in registry

Sangamesh HsI want to plot few graphs with matplotlib and I have a windows machine Firstly I need to install, so I download the file from http://matplotlib.org/downloads.html . Well, when I tried to run, it throws a pop up saying it failed to find the version 3.4 in registry. This a little strange because m...

 
everyone new angles on numbers!
 
4:22 PM
Interesting that it goes 1 or more angles, but 0 angels
 
haha
 
It's not wrong. The image contains no angels.
 
DSM
The Zero Angel sounds like an excellent name for something. I call dibs.
 
it could be a slight indication to the halo on angel
 
technically correct
 
4:24 PM
It also "gleans" nothing I guess?
 
looking back at my old code and wondering wtf I was trying to do
 
DSM
Non Angli, sed angeli.
 
Incidentally, I was watching Supernatural the other day, and one of the main characters expressed skepticism regarding the existence of angels. And I was all like, "you've met four demons in the last week. How can you have one without the other?"
 
time to stop watching Supernatural
 
One might argue that demons appear in all sorts of non-abrahamic faiths, but christian exorcism rights seem to work quite well on the ones in the show, so...
 
4:26 PM
Supernatural is amazing.
 
Cabbage!
 
I'm on Season 5 now.
 
DSM
@Kevin: reminds me of "sceptic" Scully, who was really just a rejector. A few weeks in X-Files land would have James Randi crossing himself.
 
@JonClements It's actually a syntax error. — chipChocolate.py 5 mins ago
Jeeze... thanks for pointing that out to me :)
 
hmm...anyone watching sherlock ,hannibal..and so on...
which season is supernatural on now?
 
4:28 PM
Everyone here watches Sherlock, it's against the rules not to.
 
DSM
The crossover everyone's been looking for! (Oh, wait, it's not as much fun without the slash. Er, I didn't mean that the w-- oh, forget it.)
 
Yeah
 
One episode hinted that all monsters are simply created from the collective imagination of humans, which has the depressing logical conclusion that demons exist and angels don't because we have a lot more faith in things that go bump in the night.
 
can you simply pip install scipy?
 
what about walking dead?
 
4:29 PM
Incidentally 1) thanks to whoever gave me the upvote on that linked question ;) and 2) I answered the OPs question anyway. Meaning he found my question and now I've answered his question anyway. Like a stalker.
 
I watched it up until the end of the prison season
 
@corvid yes*.
 
@Ffisegydd you're lucky I did... pivot_table still hasn't been forgotten and all that :)
 
DSM
I find that my tolerance for zombies has decreased as I've aged, and I can feel the icy claw of death reaching for me.
 
lifts Ffisegydd up in the air
* and @ can not be used together?? hm tagging and *s don't go together, eh?
 
4:31 PM
Starts playing some "Blue Oyster Cult" for @DSM
 
The markup engine works in mysterious ways.
 
Tried to tag lift Ffisegydd up in the air in a cool wave of italics......utter failure on my part (plus markup)..hope he did not break a bone!
 
@JonClements (Don't Fear) The Reaper? :-)
 
DSM
@Jon: okay, took me a second, but I got it. :-)
 
@Kevin well done Kevin! have a gold star!
 
4:33 PM
so I guess scipy doesn't work with python 3.4.2?
 
escuse me for the newbie question
 
@JonClements cbg pup! why does he get a gold star again?
 
@tilaprimera because @Kevin's special...
 
in python is possible to override the init method?
 
Yes
 
4:34 PM
I need constant encouragement or else I'll get moody and flip over all the furniture.
 
DSM
@DeepVinicius: if you mean the __init__ method of a class, yep.
 
@Kevin are you not the guy with the KS?:D the "kevinscript"
 
tried to search on the official documentation, but i didn't understand a lot °_°
 
Yes, I am the lead developer of the KevinScript project.
 
@DeepVinicius __init__ is just another method.
 
4:35 PM
@Kevin o_O that calls for a treat..everyone here around my place, asks for a treat, whenever someone says good stuff...hope you are okay with treating us with it! :D
 
Woo first issue opened on GH with someone.
 
DSM
?
 
@JonClements what happened of the "cake"?? I totally forgot.
 
The admiration of millions is the only reward I need B-)
 
4:37 PM
ok, thanks for the info
 
@tilaprimera depends if you listen to glados or not...
 
@Kevin millions is a little too much..or am i understating?
 
I submitted 2 issues to Matt's PythonImproved
 
DSM
Jon Hanna has a good beard, apropos of nothing.
 
@tilaprimera Ok, probably fewer than millions.
 
4:38 PM
silently wondering what glados is... clears throat
another weird markup stuff...
. and * don't go together as well..
 
Glados is the antagonist in the game series Portal. She is a malevolent AI that promises you cake, and then tries to murder you.
 
@tilaprimera sadly... I think most of the room would have gotten the reference :)
 
no..
 
DSM
Leading to countless "the X is a lie"/"the cake is a Y" jokes.
 
I have played some levels of Portal 1 or 2 apparently...and i guess i did not know the story too well..
 
4:41 PM
Portal 2 is much less cake oriented.
 
okay...i dont remeber cake so i guess it was portal 2
 
Gee thanks guys. Now I want cake.
 
DSM
Hey, do you lot do pumpkin pie at this time of year across the pond?
 
The "the cake is a lie" catchphrase originates from an optional area in the first game, so it would be easy to not be aware of it.
 
We have nothing to do with pumpkins (apart from carving them)
We don't have pumpkin flavoured food/coffee/whatever that y'all seem to go mental for.
 
4:43 PM
@Kevin I just destroyed wall #2 :( please help me stop
 
any harry potter fans?
 
I have my own pumpkin farm
 
Wikipedia says that you guys carve turnips instead of pumpkins. Please confirm or deny.
 
it's where I befriend random crows
 
Untruth.
 
4:43 PM
@Kevin My wife certainly does.
 
> In Ireland and Scotland, the turnip has traditionally been carved during Halloween,[105][106] but immigrants to North America used the native pumpkin, which is both much softer and much larger – making it easier to carve than a turnip.
 
Pumpkins are US inventions.
The Scots carved turnips.
 
wishes to lurk around here as long as it takes to understand the references of all discussions
 
Typical lazy americans, going for the softer plant!
 
pumpkins are so american that when you open them up, that pulp that comes out is actually freedom
3
 
DSM
4:44 PM
Pumpkin pie is awesome. Turnip pie would be disgusting. NorthAm for the win.
 
i dislike pumpkin..
 
@Martijn I don't think the US "invented" pumpkins really...
 
@davidism I myself just beat the game 100% last night :-) should only take you a week or two, if you automate the tedious parts.
 
@vaultah I'm getting close my friend...oh so close...
 
I think I stopped caring, now I'm just jealous and a bit angry :P
 
4:46 PM
I know who invented pumpkins...*ask me*
 
You're still in front for now. With your computer working again soon you could easily keep ahead of me.
 
I've got a rep palindrome right now, any rep I get will destroy this beautiful wonder of nature.
 
Pumpkins are a fiction invented by the military industrial complex, to make you complacent. Wake up, sheeple!
 
@davidism @Kevin I'm on my way to destroying the Final Wall second time around (having reset time), and starting to suspect that this will never actually end.
 
I am simultaneously playing Wall Destroyer and Cookie Clicker :'(
 
4:47 PM
@davidism what is your rep right now?: )
 
What is this Wall Destroyer? Do you destroy walls?
 
It does end, although hover for spoilers
 
@Ffisegydd DON'T DO IT
 
It's ok, I didn't need a PhD.
 
@Ffisegydd Yeah. It's a game of the "incremental" genre, where you mostly wait around accumulating resources so you can buy better resource accumulation tools.
 
4:48 PM
@JonClements Halloween pumpkins then.
 
Surely your officemates will have thrown your PC out of the window by now for all the clicking?
 
Not me, I only play on my home computer.
 
why does glados try to help near the end ?
 
oooh, one more vote to reversal gold.
 
is gamification of tourism a good business idea?
 
DSM
4:51 PM
But Umur makes a good point: "It's very tempting to keep the sum of the points of the question and the answer at 0."
 
Ok I'm already bored of it.
 
@tilaprimera In Portal 2? She wants to overthrow the game's antagonist in order to restore her own position as ruler of the laboratory. And after that, I guess she helps the main character because she likes you :-)
Not that she'd ever admit that.
 
Gee thanks guys. Now I want cake and to play Portal 2.
 
Rightfully so. Both are good.
 
ask permission for it
wishes to ask a random question
 
4:54 PM
cbg
 
wow scipy is actually really intuitive
 
@Kevin in 2 yes
 
@corvid it is the dog's testes. What are you doing with it?
 
@tilaprimera Sounds a bit like geocaching. You travel around your local area to see the sites, and also hunt for fabulous prizes.
 
4:56 PM
LMGT geocaching
 
more like virtual badges for fastest traveller, frequent visitor and so on
 
@Ffisegydd What is that, I don't even?
 
@Martijn don't try to fathom their mind. You'll only get lost.
 
DSM
Little known Python feature: if you misspell "separate" as "seperate", your code runs 30% slower.
 
4:58 PM
@Ffisegydd I feel like I stepped from a bus into an apartment building into the elevator only to find myself stepping back into the bus.
 
@Zero you should also check out bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01s8z0c/… - they're quite scary to watch :)
 
@DSM seriously???
 
@tilaprimera I can provide evidence seperately or separately, but only one way will you get the answer in time..
 
@JonClements Ok, will check it out ...
 
@Kevin like ingress but spread out over a bigger area and to collect rewards, one needs to travel far and wide...:D also a legalized tourism app...to increase the famousity points of place as well the credibity of a place for its tourism value...
@MartijnPieters aye aye, i am at it already
 
5:01 PM
I don't like "separate" because IRL I pronounce the second syllable with a definite E sound.
 
DSM
Me too, although thinking about it I may oscillate between "seh-per-ate" and "seh-p'rat", depending on where in the sentence it falls.
 
I sometimes think when we're discussing sopython and such it'd be much easier to just speak on skype than type everything out. Then I realise that it would break the spell and I'd realise you're all actual human beings, which would be weird.
Incidentally, I would pronounce it "sep-rut" because I'm a commoner.
 
oops
 
@Ffisegydd some pretty generic image manipulation. Taking an image and converting it into a "sillhouette" SVG
 
5:03 PM
what is incidentally, coincidentally ?
no one got curious about my random question?
 
What a coincidence. "seh-p'rat" is the name of the leader of the Praetor's Guild in my epic novel "The Privileged Space Axe".
 
@tilaprimera This is a brilliant idea, because it will result in more and more tourists confining themselves to the most popular destinations. I am entirely in favour of diverting as many people as possible to Venice so that they aren't where I want to go :-)
 
Actually maybe it's more like "seh-p'rut" for me.
 
what is the color of your immediate surrounding wall or open area..right in front of you basically....? italics are really getting on to me.
 
DSM
FWIW I have your typical Canadian-bland accent. You'd have to be pretty up on Canadian regional variations to recognize me as Albertan (although the combination of "eh?" and "y'all" helps.)
 
5:05 PM
@tilaprimera blue.
 
@tila I cannot see my wall, it's covered in bits of paper and blood.
 
@ZeroPiraeus you really think so? I would not advice confining oneself to a city...: ) I guess the idea needs refinement...I wanted people travel more to different places.
 
DSM
Corkboard brown in front of me; off-white beige to the left of me; here I am, stuck in the sopython chat with you.
 
@Ffisegydd why is it covered in bits of paper and blood? yikes i understand blood but what is paper doing there?
 
The paper is there to remind me about things, the blood is there because our Italian junior PhD student asked me one question too many.
 
5:07 PM
@tilaprimera It seems a natural consequence to me - destinations get more points as more people visit, therefore get more visitors, etc. etc.
 
a yellow colored wall...dirtied even more by marks of cellotapes' leftovers...
@ZeroPiraeus so it is not a good idea if i wanted people travel more..., right?
@Ffisegydd oh poor you! where is the body hidden?
 
DSM
Right now the only paper on my board is last year's March Madness bracket, in Christmas reds and greens -- more red than green, unfortunately. (For non-NorthAm types: famous American college basketball tournament. It's customary for fans to try to predict the winner in each game.)
 
@tila In my lab, dissolving in HF.
 
@DSM you are in your dorm? in college years?
what is HF?
hydrogen flouride?
 
@tilaprimera I think you need to carefully consider your point-awarding algorithm from the standpoint "how will people game this, and what effect will that have?"
 
5:10 PM
gone to google HF
 
But as I said, creating tourism sinkholes is a good idea IMO.
 
DSM
@tilaprimera: no, I'm in my office. But college sports are followed closely in Canada and the US in ways I don't think they are elsewhere in the world.
 
@DSM that is cool... does it ever come off your wall or is your support towards a team perinneal? excuse my typos
sinkholes ...sounds good
 
Yeah we don't follow university/college teams here in UK, don't even follow them when I'm a member of the university.
 
too much tourists...@ZeroPiraeus do you like people travelling or you yourself are a traveller or you are in the favour of country's GDP getting a significant increase?
@Ffisegydd true that!
 
DSM
5:13 PM
@Ffisegydd: but if you don't pay attention to your teams, how will you know who should be popular in university?
 
popular is a relative term..usually made in different fields...and are there to torture so called unpopular kids..and causing stereotypically conditioning..?? (excuse me again sneezes )
 
is GDP affected by tourists inflow? stupid remark
 
@tilaprimera oh dear... sneezing... Haven't been through West Africa recently have you? :(
 
@tilaprimera I have conflicting sentiments. On the one hand, I very much enjoy discovering new places. On the other hand, air travel is an insane use of a diminishing natural resource. On the gripping hand, the more people know of the world and its peoples, the less likely they are to authorise their governments to drop bombs on distant bits of it. On the fourth hand, when I go to the magnificent ruined temple of wherever, I'd prefer everybody else to be in a Starbucks in Generic Destination.
 
5:17 PM
@JonClements no no no ...not Ebola!! dont worry...i am in the himalayas far from the location..of which you talk about!!
 
@Zero funnily enough... I'm just sorting out some stuff for this company :)
 
DSM
@Zero: once I was walking on a remote path in a small island in the vicinity of Hong Kong. I came across another guy obviously of European descent -- probably from NorthAm -- and I still remember the look on the guy's face when he saw me: disappointment. He thought he was somewhere very exotic, but he wasn't really.
 
@vaultah Impressive dexterity.
 
want to laugh out loud...is there a salad term for it...*goes to check*
laurel sounds very calm and nothing like laughing but i guess that is the point of having a salad term..
@ZeroPiraeus Great analysis..i like the fourth one! : ) even i wish it was like that
@vaultah is that your channel?
 
@tilaprimera nope :)
 
5:22 PM
that birdie is way smarter than i am..
have a wonderful ( ______________________ ) fill it up..
rhbrb
rhbrb
 
@tila rbrb!
Wow... I should have guessed this site would be in PHP :(
 
pats pup
 
nah... juts give pup some brandy!
 
would it be quicker to resize an image, then perform operations on it, or just to straight perform the operation?
 
5:39 PM
Last login: Mon Dec 30 11:51:33 2013 - wow... hasn't been used in a while then :)
cbg @Ian
ummm... a russian cargo plan has been forced to land
And apparently a sonic boom has been detected over Kent
Ahh... that was the Torando's catching up to it or something
be interesting when the MoD issue a statement
 
cbg Dan :)
 
5:57 PM
Anyone have any experience with smal talk in here? No chat room for it :(
 
Not me
 
how are you doing weather football
 
Actually, this PHP is actually using a routing framework and templates... so it's not completely horrendous! Woo hooo
cbg @Jerry and @Code-Apprentice :)
 
cbg @JonClements
 
6:16 PM
this is weird syntax fig, (ax1, ax2, ax3) = plt.subplots(nrows=1, ncols=3, figsize=(8, 3))
 
@corvid not really...
You're just unpacking the 2nd element into 3 vars
 
cbg
 
6:32 PM
yeah just seems like a lot in one line
 
Needs a minimum viable example
Sometimes I want to say to the original poster, "you're lying, that's not the error message you got" in the hopes that they go "I'll show that guy" and provide more evidence, like a screenshot, the stack trace, actual code... Yeah, that would put me in my place ;-)
 
DSM
I once mentioned my favourite not-entirely-truthful OP here, but sopython deleted the question so it's not easy to find any more. :-( Now I have to keep my favourites secret, because I can never remember to bookmark them..
 
Needs a minimum viable example
I feel bad for this one. Carving a minimal example out of a 300 line function won't be easy.
 
DSM
It would be a lot easier for the OP to add print to see the point where things stop happening.
 
user559633
6:41 PM
no way, that question sucks. why doesn't my code work I DO NOT WANT TO SHOW YOU MY CODE JUST GUESS
 
Yes, or step through the code if his IDE supports it
 
user559633
or pdb.
 
user559633
hey guys i wrote this travelling salesman solver that will do 200,000 points in under a second, but my print(result) line doesn't work. what gives
 
If he didn't think to use print to debug his program, I don't think he's proficient enough to use pdb yet
 
user559633
That's the fun thing about learning.
 
6:49 PM
Needs a minimum viable example
Current code is both too long and not actually complete.
 
DSM
450+ lines.
 
I'll forgive any length as long as it runs!
"I'll just remove all import statements, required input files, command line arguments, and the main function. They'll just get in the way" -- every OP ever
 
DSM
I know that reduction can sometimes be tough, but if you're writing code which is hard to reduce to small tests you're probably being insufficiently modular.
 
My own parsing project code is approximately the same shape as this guy's, so I can relate.
Lots of functions calling other functions, to an unknown stack depth, everything depending on everything else
 

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