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sadly, this doesn't seem to work in chat
 
in CHATLAB and Talktave, 2 hours ago, by Andras Deak
should probably add rlemon's dark chat theme
in CHATLAB and Talktave, 26 mins ago, by Andras Deak
@flawr chrome https://github.com/rlemon/se-chat-dark-theme-plus, firefox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/so-dark-chat-plus/?src=search
don't know if these are still supported because rlemon and Madara have both left SO :(
 
I'll give it a try. I made fluidapp SSB for SO, so I can't do many things that sensible browsers can
 
I don't understand any of that, but OK ;)
 
8:25 PM
Fluid is a (pretty old) browser that lets you create standalone applications that are effectively separate instances of browser windows. This allows me to create a StackOverflow app, that MacOS sees as a separate app, with a distinct icon. This allows me to cmd-tab into it, and not take up space in Chrome's tab-bar
such an application is called a site specific browser
 
Aaah...neat! And now it all makes sense, thanks :)
 
wim
why is that better than "pulling out" the tab to a separate window
 
independent sessions perhaps?
 
8:45 PM
Closed
 
wim
see those one are difficult, there's nothing wrong with the question per se and it's pretty clear to me what that user is trying to do
but they are using SO like mechanical turk, and don't have a positively scored question in all their history
 
@αԋɱҽԃαмєяιcαη Our local GDPR drills have made me really twitchy about such scraping questions...
 
wim
I have in my ignored tags so I only really see them when you post here in chat..
 
the pick of the crop
 
8:49 PM
@wim correct
 
AMC
@wim Why is that?
 
wim
why is what?
 
@MisterMiyagi that's the point. too much low questions in that field
 
@AMC Do you know about Sturgeon's Law? It's 99.9% with web scraping.
 
AMC
wim's law
 
8:51 PM
i think that he's asking @wim for what he's ignoring web-scraping
 
you really don't have to ping people like that
 
How do I reach a moderator on this site
Someone went into a short downvote spree on my profile
 
@NicolasGervais wait 24 hours, then raise a custom flag on one of your own posts explaining the situation
 
flag for moderator review then.
 
@wim Seems unclear to me what their problem is. Don't mind close-voting as "needs details or clarity" if they make it clear what they want to do, but give no details what prevents them from doing it.
 
8:53 PM
@AndrasDeak excellent idea. i'm curious though, why the 24 hour?
 
@NicolasGervais there's an auto-serial-voting-reversal script that runs overnight
 
actually because it's got reviewed during that time :D
 
@αԋɱҽԃαмєяιcαη can you not help, please?
 
@AndrasDeak what the issue here if am telling a correct point ?
 
You are only making things more confusing.
I know you're trying to help. And I appreciate it. But you're not.
 
8:55 PM
well, kindly advise where is the confusion point so i can understand
 
The answer to "why wait 24 hours" is not "because it will be reviewed". Nobody reviews anything automatically. Review suggests human interaction.
 
At what point is someone a moderator? 10,000? 25,000?
 
Ideally that's very logical that no moderator will review each single post. and that's means there's a circle of voting.
 
AMC
@NicolasGervais I believe they're elected, per the help center.
 
9:05 PM
@NicolasGervais reputation doesn't matter - you just have to be insane enough to do it :)
 
@JonClements what you are saying is Inconsistent with reality. how the community will check if he/she can be a useful moderator with rational decision if the user is not been interacted with the community such as answering questions, commenting, voting and all other staff . I think they will review the user account history before upgrading to be a moderator
 
AMC
@αԋɱҽԃαмєяιcαη I think he was joking.
 
you never can expect Jon :D even now he will reply with am i supposed to ?
 
wim
9:29 PM
I wonder if and should be synonimized
 
it's not according to definition of the tag If your question is specifically about scraping from websites or web-APIs, please use the [web-scraping] tag instead.
 
wim
but is already synonymized to
and is synonymized to
to me they are all the same thing..
 
You are correct, just noticed it now. sounds strange
 
I guess we should be thankful that there is no
Does "screen-scraping" necessarily imply that you are scraping the browser display?
 
wim
I can not suggest it (not enough rep in tag), maybe you can: stackoverflow.com/tags/web-scraping/synonyms
 
9:33 PM
@wim yeah, that's arbitrary
What does "screen scraping" really mean? I.e. what Paul asked.
 
Data scraping is a technique in which a computer program extracts data from human-readable output coming from another program. == Description == Normally, data transfer between programs is accomplished using data structures suited for automated processing by computers, not people. Such interchange formats and protocols are typically rigidly structured, well-documented, easily parsed, and keep ambiguity to a minimum. Very often, these transmissions are not human-readable at all. Thus, the key element that distinguishes data scraping from regular parsing is that the output being scraped is intended...
 
wim
@PaulMcG I don't think so? I call that OCR ...
 
See section in that article for "Screen scraping" (no permalink? lame!)
 
AMC
@wim OCR is a very specific kind of scraping though, no?
 
Before screens were all windowy, this term was used to scrape ASCII data from a console or ssh session.
 
wim
9:35 PM
it looks like wikipedia is clear on that, but it's not what users on SO are using the tag for
at a glance they are all requests/beautifulsoup/selenium
 
Then it's a matter of misusing tags, to which synonyms are not the solution
 
And any more, the original screen-scraping concept is probably more about things like expect/pexpect and text parsing.
At least according that particular wikipedia contributor.
 
wim
@AndrasDeak what's the solution?
 
This article is cited: prowebscraper.com/blog/screen-scraping which includes a side-by-side comparison
 
@wim probably disambiguation and/or burnination/blacklist if the problem seems hopeless
but if the current questions have a mix of two problems in the two tags then a synonym will only make it harder to separate them
 
wim
9:56 PM
they could all be synonymized to just imo
 
I think it would be a mistake to conflate web scraping with OCR stuff
 
wim
I was not including there..
 
So...again, what is non-web-scraping scraping?
I thought you agreed that wikipedia has a consistent distinction
 
I think wim's point is that, while wikipedia may have a consistent distinction, the general SO community of questioners are not so well-informed (forgive my putting words in your mouth, wim)
 
wim
^ yeah, that
and actual screen-scraping that is not better described by "ocr" or other tags is not getting asked on stackoverflow.com at all as far as I can see
LOL, the tag summary for actually starts off like this:
 
10:10 PM
OK,but it seems to me that the tag wiki is pretty clear about how it should be used. It's a well-defined tag. We can't help users being idiots.
 
wim
> Screen-scraping, also known as web-scraping ....
 
"or data-scraping"
It also says not to tag with it if you're asking about web scraping and web APIs in particular
 
wim
right, that's just weird and confusing no?
 
I guess. But the tag if used properly might still hold value.
you're not going to like it but my final suggestion is to ask on meta...
from the wiki:
> Screen scraping has a similar purpose but involves the programmatic collection of visual data from a source (as opposed to parsing data as in Web scraping) and originally involved reading the terminals memory or video data by connecting the terminals to another computer's input port.
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Q: Let's [scrape] these tags off the bottom of our shoe

durron597There are so many scraping related tags right now: web-scraping - 6215 screen-scraping - 2293 scrape - 739 scraper - 277 There are others that are probably okay being their own tag, but these all seem to be in dire need of cleanup. Obviously, this is not a burnination request, because this t...

@ArtOfWarfare The tag needs to be separated; the ones incorrectly tagged need to be retagged, and the wiki needs to be changed to clearly reflect what it really should be. — durron597 Sep 5 '15 at 15:28
 
wim
bah
So it was already proposed. I don't really agree with durron597, in practice the distinction between screen-scraping and web-scraping is not useful here on SO and they may as well all be synonymized
 
10:17 PM
Asked 4 years, 6 months ago
 
10:32 PM
rbrb
 
AMC
11:01 PM
I am making a chat system, and currently, I can only send messages one at a time. I was told this was because my chat server is single-threaded, which makes sense. Can someone please produce some pseudo-code to help me understand how to make a multi-threaded chat?
That's not a great question, right? I'm not going completely insane?
 
Too broad (needs a tutorial).
 
wim
11:14 PM
why do people like dark themes? serious question
they are harder to read for me
 
I often sit in front of my laptop at night, when there's not much light around. Having less light in my face feels much better.
 
AMC
Have you tried using a good one for a solid amount of time?
Unfortunately, I tried the beta SO dark theme, and did I find that it makes things more difficult to read.
 
i disliked it too. are there a difference between light and system theme ?
 
AMC
@αԋɱҽԃαмєяιcαη System is whatever the rest of your system is set to. I'm using a dark theme on macOS, therefore Stack Overflow switches to dark.
 
Oh okay. thank you
 
wim
11:26 PM
when I click "system theme" in stackoverflow.com/users/preferences it just brings up the image of the icon :D
the other 2 do the right thing though
 
pasting image snips directly from the clipboard is not allowed within the chat box ?
seems it's been discussed on meta before.
 
Why would it be allowed?
I never understood why that's even a thing anywhere
 
AMC
@AndrasDeak Why?
 
I don't know. Seems like a weird thing to do, pasting an image. What is even an image? I can understand text. Text is good.
might as well try pasting an audio file or a strawberry cake
 
that's can be your opinion, but there's also other people where they find it's easy to share a snip of something technical to the other partner better than copy/paste the full text
 
11:37 PM
Yes, it's exactly my opinion. It even started with "I".
@αԋɱҽԃαмєяιcαη And no, one should always yamming share the text rather than an image of said text, on Stack Overflow.
 
for coding it's usually a very good to share the text. but how about if i would like to share for you a part where an icon of HTML source shown as blank while displaying, something like this, will be better to share as screen snip. along the back-end code
 
wim
to play devils advocate, if you want to demonstrate a UI bug you want to paste a screenshot
I find the ability to paste images directly from clipboard into e.g. emails, slack etc to be actually very useful
 
@wim shapoo. that's what i meant actually
 
@wim I'm not saying that sharing screenshots are needless. I'm saying 1. I find it weird for people to be able to paste images from a clipboard, and 2. "share an image rather than copy/paste the full text" is a red flag
 
the same way as we do in post
 
wim
11:46 PM
what's wrong with pasting an image from clipboard?
we can also use the clipboard to e.g. copy a bunch of files to some other folder ... it's not specifically for plaintext
 
speak for yourself :P
 
wim
well the alternative is what, take screenshot, save to some .png file somewher, click add attachment in your email, browse to wherever the hell the .png file is saved , remember to delete the file later ... ugh it's a lot of steps
 
yup...then again you also have stuff like choice of image formats and compression
Mar 25 at 15:53, by Andras Deak
And I'm a luddite
 
with that said, i find it's too bad to save multiple snips locally in order to upload it. how about if i would like to share on the fly. and go on the next point.
 
wim
11:50 PM
haha if I am posting a bug into a jira ticket or slack channel I don't think people cares to much the image format and compression, png is fine :D
anyway, hope that explains why "that's even a thing anywhere" - time saver!
 
yeah, I guess
 
The same when answering a question. it's too good while am using windows shift s to take snip quickly into my clipboard and post it via CTRL v without saving the image locally and then delete it once i end my answer. which means all is done without needing of doing anything after :P
 
our use cases for answering are probably very different
I also happen to have a record of most of the stuff I write for answers. At least the non-trivial pieces of code that I bother testing locally.
"most of the stuff" is a stretch these days, I have around 70 snippets but 339 posts
 
that's cool. in post 1. you have the option to upload from local machine. 2. you have the option to post directly from your clipboard.
why we don't have the both options in chat too .
 
Ah, I didn't know main supported that. In that case it's much more valid to expect the same thing from chat.
 
wim
11:54 PM
who was active on astronomy here? was that pm 2 ring?
 
@wim yup
 
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