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wim
4:00 PM
@AndrasDeak hmm, no clues there
import '_bootlocale' # <_frozen_importlib_external.SourceFileLoader object at 0xcafebabe>
hello world
hello world
presumably the SourceFileLoader is handling site.py
and then site.py double-handles .pth somehow
@AnttiHaapala what do you mean?
 
@wim how could it know that it's inside a venv...? I'd think that perhaps some path is (always) set twice, which is ignored for non-.pth files
 
@wim oh I am not implying anything at all :D
 
wim
whoosh sound of subtlety flying over my head
 
user10957988
Hello, Could someone please explain me what is the meaning of the output of timeit function when it is run from the command line
 
can you paste an example output?
 
user10957988
4:11 PM
>python -m timeit "sum(range(5))"
500000 loops, best of 5: 521 nsec per loop
 
wim
pretty self-explanatory, no?
 
user10957988
I can't understand why it says best of 5 instead of best of 500000
 
because it runs 500000 loops 5 times, takes the corresponding best runtime and divides it by 500000 to give you the best time/loop figure
 
user10957988
If I understand that well, then python executes that statement 500000 times
 
It runs it 500000*5 times actually.
 
4:12 PM
running it without a loop would be too noisy due to the short time interval it would have to measure, and running 500000 times only once would give large statistical fluctuations due to thing happening in your OS and whatnot
 
user10957988
Thank you very much for the explanation
 
anytime
 
wim
anytimeit
 
ba dum tss
 
wim
badpundog.jpg
 
4:15 PM
I must admit, i find the ipython magic timeit much more explicit in conveying how it runs.
 
And you can also use that to return the timing stats to store them and plot them. But some people argue that the added bells and whistles of ipython might make it less reliable.
 
kanban["add an explanation of userscripts to the userscript page"] = done
5
 
I suppose that could be a valid consideration.
Ooh, nice! Thanks Kevin
 
user10957988
How can I plot the stats from timeit?
 
@IamNotaMathematician Sorry, not referring to the timeit outputs you saw. referring to ipython magic command.
 
user10957988
4:18 PM
@Pari
 
Consider it a slight deviation from what you were asking about.
 
user10957988
@ParitoshSingh: :)
 
user10957988
I found a library timeit_plot in github but the code is outdated and works only for python 2
 
@IamNotaMathematician also, it takes the lowest runtime (best of) and not average because the lowest performance is the one that is closest to maximum because it has least interference :P
 
@IamNotaMathematician step 1: collect runtimes into a list. Step 2: use pyplot to plot it
 
user10957988
@AnttiHaapala: That too compact
 
user10957988
@AndrasDeak: Thanks it works
 
user10957988
I have another question :p
 
user10957988
About how to compact these lines:
 
user10957988
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user10957988
4:22 PM
```
ok = False
if arr.shape[1] == 2:
ok = True
elif np.unique(arr[:, 2]).size == 1:
ok = True
```
 
Nov 12 at 13:41, by Andras Deak
@IvoMerchiers please see our code formatting guide for chat and practice in the sandbox if necessary
@IamNotaMathematician ^
please delete the cr*ppy code...
 
you need to indent code in chat, sadly the backticks across multiple lines wont work.
 
user10957988
Yes I am reading it, sorry
 
@IamNotaMathematician next time mention that you've also asked on main and received an answer. We ask that you don't ask for help here with fresh questions
for future reference please see our room rules
 
user10957988
@AndrasDeak: It was not clear
 
user10957988
4:24 PM
ok = False
    if arr.shape[1] == 2:
        ok = True
    elif np.unique(arr[:, 2]).size == 1:
        ok = True
 
if you give your answerer more than 5 minutes you can probably get them to explain in their answer
@Kevin do you think people would be interested in the rlemon/Madara dark theme add-on? Not exactly a userscript though, so perhaps it's irrelevant
 
[mcve]
hmm
doesn't work
bad userscripts
 
3rd time's the charm? :P
 
did you reload the page after installing?
 
@AnttiHaapala please use the sandbox to learn the basics of chat. Thank you.
 
4:28 PM
hmm now it works, but the charcount doesn't for example.
neither does the notes.
@Kevin slap: // @include http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/6/python
 
and https at that
 
a lot of old broken scripts fix if you switch to https
 
*:// for forward compatibility
 
why the long face?
 
4:32 PM
Just in case they release httpss, meaning "super secure"
 
@AndrasDeak I have a double chin, don't judge
 
@Aran-Fey that could be dangerous :P
 
how so?
 
yeah, medically speaking obesity is no laughing matter
 
Thank you for the feedback, valued %customername%! char_count_adder.user.js and usernotes.user.js have been updated with more permissive @include directives.
 
4:34 PM
@Aran-Fey a malicious user can trigger the userscript on https://www.evilwebpagetostealyoursecrets.com/evilstuff//:chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/6/python
 
sigh
 
[^.]+://
 
and they can't do that with http:// or https://?
 
I'm sure it'll work, life finds a way
 
how about http*://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/*, is that less abusable?
 
4:36 PM
Antti's example would match that, right?
 
@Kevin two include rules are fine :D
 
Isn't all of SO forcibly https now?
 
not if you have 2 dozen of them...
 
then use regexen
 
4:37 PM
@AnttiHaapala Ok, updated
 
2 dozen whats?
 
2 dozen @includes
 
But with chatrooms/* you probably don't need as many, right? Even with chat.SE and chat.MSE that's 6 lines overall
 
yeah, but scripts that run on every SE site need a lot
 
In general, yeah. I thought we were only talking about chat userscripts; OK :)
 
4:40 PM
like, who's chatting on s.ex other than in so.
 
Huh?
Do you need a bondulance?
 
I've seen a couple chat rooms on stack exchange that were pretty well-populated. the main RPG room is in an eternal argument with itself, for instance
About nothing in particular, it's just the imperative of all tabletop RPG fans to fight about all aspects of gameplay
 
There are quite a few active rooms there, yeah. On chat.MSE there's mostly the Tavern
('tis a silly place)
 
okay, apparently the right way to do it is @match *://foo.bar (as opposed to @include)
 
I'll add @match to my todo heap then
 
5:03 PM
I always keep my todos in a stack
so they get further away
 
I churn my todo pile with a big oar and whatever floats to the top must be the most important. The big scary tasks sink to the bottom forever and that's just where I want them to be
 
add some hydrofluoric acid to the batch
 
wim
5:25 PM
@Kevin no mention of tampermonkey?
 
I didn't see it in the "list of equivalent extensions for other browsers" section in Greasmonkey's Wikipedia article, or rather the revision of Greasemonkey's Wikipedia article from 2014, which is the first place I could find any convenient listing anywhere
 
wim
@AnttiHaapala this is the @include I was using - exploitable? github.com/wimglenn/userscripts/blob/master/stackoverflow.com/…
 
Oh well, edited.
 
wim
I've tried a few of these userscript apps and tampermonkey was the best by a long shot
 
I'm surprised your @include even works, 'cause it doesn't end with a slash and it contains an unescaped slash
 
5:31 PM
Oh, good. I'm pleased there's a reputable extension for Chrome, so I don't have to add any more asterisks to the page
 
you also forgot to escape all .s
 
Meanwhile in IE you have to get your userscripts out of the back of an unmarked van
Pretty sure one of them edits your registry, that's not weird or scary at all
 
wim
huh, apparently you don't need to escape forward slashes
the unescaped dots are not exploitable as far as I can see
unless someone hacks my hostfile and adds stackexchangercom , but then I have bigger problems
 
5:51 PM
@wim it does not match the format so
Some US engines might consider it as something else
 
 
1 hour later…
7:00 PM
Idle math thought: 1024 is a power of two that is very close to a power of ten. Are there other powers of two that are even closer? How close can you get?
Is there some huge power of two that's equal to 10000000<a whole bunch of digits go here>?
Let's see if my little program can find some... 2 ^ 15437 == 100009916<like 1000 digits go here>1472
As usual, plugging the first five results into OEIS gives the goods: oeis.org/A152561
 
that database is like the library of the Unseen University
 
well, since the last digit cycles through 2 -> 4 -> 8 -> 6 -> 2, you can't get any closer to a power of 10 than 8 or 2
unless we count 2^0 and 10^0
 
This is true. I didn't put a lot of effort into defining "closeness", so I think a number can be quite close to 10 despite ending in 8.
 
I also bet there's at least one PPCG challenge regarding these
 
You could define the closeness of x as (the first power of 10 that is less than or equal to x) / x
This implies that 999999 is extremely not close to a power of ten, which is satisfactory for my purposes. It's got to have a one and some zeroes to match my intuition
 
7:09 PM
boo :P
 
Feel free to define some kind of symmetric form of closeness, but I didn't bother myself because it's harder to calculate.
 
closest power of 10 on either side of the number? :P
divided by x of course
and take the reciprocal if you want to stay on the same side of 1
 
I think you'd need to change the denominator unless you want to permit closeness values that aren't in the range of 0 to 1 -- oops beaten
I wish Jon E. Schoenfield had shown his method for generating that sequence. My little program goes quiet at N=4. How'd this guy get to 17?
 
I'm more interested in "how long" :)
perhaps they are using some kind of sieve
I'd be inclined to use a bunch of powers in a numpy array, but I'd quickly run out of int64
 
A sieve sounds sensible. He probably didn't iterate from 2^0 to 2^112404439328411815.
 
7:15 PM
as always I default to "number theory is magic"
 
I wish to see this magic.
 
if you're lucky there's a Project Euler task with it and you can dive into the forums
 
Maybe you can do something with logarithms. if x is close to a power of 10, then log(x,10) is close to an integer.
 
True, and log10(2^112404439328411815) = ln(2^112404439328411815)/ln(10) = 112404439328411815 log10(2) unless I'm mistaken
OverflowError: (34, 'Numerical result out of range')
oh well
>>> mpmath.log10(mpmath.power(2, 112404439328411815))
mpf('33837107883644044.0')

>>> 112404439328411815*np.log10(2)
3.3837107883644044e+16
question is whether you can trust double precision to tell you whether that large number is "close to an integer"
 
[press X to doubt]
 
7:23 PM
perhaps there's also some modulo-1 trick.....
 
Math library devs, please implement log10mod1()
 
another interesting question: the percent of zeros in the respective decimal representation of these "roundish" numbers. 17 leading zeros in a number with 3e16 digits is not a huge feat in the grand scheme of things
I want numbers just like 1024 for which the first half of the number is 1000...
 
wim
@AnttiHaapala I saw you added stackoverflow.com/a/58936204/674039
snap, because I just added stackoverflow.com/a/58941536/674039
 
Roughly, each element of A152561 has one more digit than its precedent. This suggests to me that leading zeroes appear about as frequently as by random chance.
So the odds of some huge 2^N having half of its representation composed of leading zeroes is something like 10^(-N/2)
Perhaps you could go on to use sum-of-infinite-series trickery to determine the odds that any large power of two is half-composed of leading zeroes.
 
7:44 PM
if you just mean sum 10^(-N/2) that's sum (10^(-1/2))^N which is 1/(1 - 1/sqrt(10)) which is 1.4624752955742646, but the first few terms look like this:
>>> (10**(-np.arange(5)/2)).tolist()
[1.0, 0.31622776601683794, 0.1, 0.03162277660168379, 0.01]
the odds are low and they include 1024 ;)
 
Hmm I kind of expected the series to converge to a number less than 1. "There's a 146% chance that a power of two is half-composed of leading zeroes" is... Confusing.
 
@wim I protected that question... too many silly answers.
 
@Kevin yes, that's just the 1 coming from N=0
I was too lazy to spell out the sum from N=1 or N=2 in chat
 
Probably I'm not supposed to just add these probabilities together.
 
You can because they are mutually exclusive scenarios. Either 1 digit, or 2 digits, or 3 digits, or...
if you subtract the first 1 you get 0.462
 
7:49 PM
hoho Andreas Jung suspended until 2025 :D
 
Consider: even though the odds of getting heads on a coin flip is 50%, this doesn't mean that the odds of getting heads on at least one of three coin flips is 150%.
 
but you could say "one in one flip, or one in two flips, or one in three flips" which would be 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8
(give or take permutations)
it's true that we'd have to think harder to interpret the actual number that we get, but at least it makes sense to sum them up
 
Yeah.
 
doing it right we'd probably have to multiply 10^(N/2) with a combinatorical factor
 
This feels like a setup for one of those equations like "the sum of all natural numbers equals -1/12"
 
7:57 PM
 
Maybe in '13, BS had much worse DOM traversal functionality?
 
I think the answer is serious in the sense that you are trying to get only the date out of the text itself, essentially a subset of the text
But it just plays into the whole setup with a brilliant stroke of irony, whether intentional or not.
 
If <strong>FinancialDave</a></strong> was legal HTML, you would be able to get the text following </strong> by itself with just BeautifulSoup. But since the tags aren't properly balanced, who knows.
 
@ParitoshSingh it is an answer that is not an answer. If it had been a comment the question would have been roombaed in a year
 
If you're out there somewhere, user2830451, this one's for you
>>> from bs4 import BeautifulSoup as BS
>>> test = '''<p class="author"><a href="./viewtopic.php?p=1829610"></a>by <strong>FinancialDave</strong> Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:52 am </p>'''
>>> BS(test).find("strong").next_sibling.strip()
'Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:52 am'
Yes, I cheated by removing the stray </a>
Otherwise the date appears outside of the closing </p> which is simply wacky
 
8:10 PM
Oh yes, I by no means advocate that answer on the site. Which does make me wonder, Is that a part of why they were temporarily suspended?
 
nobody gets suspended for bad answers
 
8:25 PM
> The sequence for rainbow colors is always the same – red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violent
That's an unfortunate typo
 
AAB
Hi All,
 
hello
 
salutations
 
AAB
Just need help to understand the idea behind an algorithm
Find an element that appears atleast n/k times in array in O(n) time and constant space
 
> error: Argument 1 to "map" has incompatible type "_SingleDispatchCallable[Union[Dots, Identifier, Generic]]"; expected "Callable[[Union[Identifier, Generic, Any, Optional, List, Dict, Set, Literal, Iterable, Context, Awaitable, AsyncIterable, AsyncContext]], Union[Identifier, Generic, Any, Optional, List, Dict, Set, Literal, Iterable, Context, Awaitable, AsyncIterable, AsyncContext]]"
That's an unfortunate typing
 
AAB
8:27 PM
The problem is a generalization fo the Boyer Moore Majority finding problem
but I just can't wrap my head around why the solution works
12
Q: number which appears more than n/3 times in an array

Sree RamI have read this problem Find the most common entry in an array and the answer from jon skeet is just mind blowing .. :) Now I am trying to solve this problem find an element which occurs more than n/3 times in an array .. I am pretty sure that we cannot apply the same method because there ...

here is an answer but can't seem to wrap my around why it works for general n/k case
 
I wasn't familiar with this algorithm before, But i think we can work towards an intuitive explanation for the same
Given the number occurs more than n/2 times (more than 50%), there can only be 1 such number in a list
Similarly, given numbers can occur more than n/3 times (more than 33%), there can be at most 2 such numbers.
What you can realise is that the threshold dictates the max possible such numbers that can coexist
If you then set that value to your number of "slots", You can ensure that counters are being incremented according to whatever has a chance of staying above that threshold.
 
is there a nice way to do an API level search on the sopyhton chat?
 
AAB
@ParitoshSingh thanks
That clears some stuff the bag explanation was driving me nuts
 
8:46 PM
@Paritosh
nevermind I was tricking myself
 
No worries.
 
9:02 PM
Is it possible for a program to detect that a network sniffer is running? I want to spy on a game's network traffic, but don't want to get banned :D
 
I'd be surprised, and you should be in charge of your data. If they don't encrypt it it's their loss.
(but I'm not an <insert relevant subject matter expert>)
 
Oh, caution
If this is like an MMO, they may actually track "blacklisted" programs in memory
Im really not sure whether they should be allowed to do that or not, but that's a thing.
So if you wish to sniff packets, don't use a popular tool off the shelf.
 
yeah, they take anti-cheat pretty seriously, because it's peer-to-peer. It actually refuses to start is cheat engine is running, for example. So I'm planning to write my own sniffer, rather than use, say, wireshark
and yeah, it'll probably be encrypted, but you never know
 
can't you use another machine which you route traffic through?
 
^ kevin'd
 
9:09 PM
That can work. you won't know for sure whether you got detected or not, But as far as i know, popular detection methods rely on inspecting ram state. I dont think something that you build can be detected
 
and the fact that a random process can't be prevented from snooping around other running processes is terrible
I want to think it would be easier to handle this on linux
 
I don't know how to route traffic through another machine tbh, and setting it up will probably take longer than just doing this thing that I'm trying to automate by hand
 
With network traffic, it's easier since the traffic "has" to go out of the application's environment, so that's great. I did this kind of activity when i wanted to create an automation script for a game. cough
 
filthy botter
 
Guilty as charged. :)
 
wim
9:14 PM
anyone on windows can confirm for me, if you pip install resources-example and then import pkg_resources; pkg_resources.resource_filename("myapp", "data_subdir/binfile.dat") will the pkg_resources API correctly turn the / into a \\ for you?
the setuptools docs claim that it will, but in a kind of weird place and vague language.
 
@wim it does
 
can confirm Arne's confirmation
 
I don't actually know but I stand behind this
 
wim
thanks
these are all dupes, and all popular, and all have pretty meh answers ... which one should win?
1. [Finding a file in a Python module distribution](https://stackoverflow.com/q/39104/674039)
2. https://stackoverflow.com/q/779495/674039
3. https://stackoverflow.com/q/779495/674039
@Kevin fyi share markdown user script worked on the 1. but didn't work on 2. and 3..
2. should have been stackoverflow.com/q/6028000/674039 sorry
 
general question, if I had a project that could make use of some a non-python library (say, phantomjs), would it be bad to depends on a pip-distributed binary of it? pypi.org/project/phantomjs-binary
it smells sooo fishy to me, but maybe its a well established practice that I just never heard about
 
9:35 PM
Is that a drop-in replacement for the real thing?
With things like mayavi I've seen "make sure you have some pyqt installed". Whether it's some pyqt or pyside or whatever doesn't matter. Can this be similar?
Maybe not because all options are pyqt there
 
wim
I think it's kinda dumb, because you'd want that to be in /usr/local/bin or similar
not in /usr/local/lib/python/site-packages/phantomjs-binary/bin/ or wherever the heck pip will put it
 
Equally weird to detect and install conditionally, right?
 
wim
it doesn't install conditionally
it installs all three of them for Windows, Darwin, Linux, no matter which platform you are on.
 
I meant checking if there's system phantomjs, and if not: install the binary package. But now that I spelled it out this sounds even worse.
 
What about expecting NPM as a prereq and call NPM via subprocess? Looks like that's what plotly does: github.com/plotly/plotly.py/blob/master/packages/python/plotly/…
 
9:45 PM
@wim this part could be smarter by uploading os specific wheels to pypi. But even if that were the case, it still sounds insane to me.
 
@alkasm but plotly is full-blown JS at least
 
wim
@alkasm OK, as long as you document that you require npm available on PATH
metadata spec actually has this field, Requires-External, see python.org/dev/peps/pep-0345/#requires-external-multiple-use
 
@AndrasDeak what's the diff of plotly depending on plotly.js and Arne depending on phantomjs?
 
wim
unfortunately nobody bothers to use it, so it's pretty much always empty
 
At least I think so
 
9:48 PM
Oh you just mean expectation wise? Like I don't expect pip install generally to complain about not having npm.
 
@alkasm nothing exact :) but with plotly I expect a thin wrapper around JS. Yeah, that ^
 
wim
oh look, my new Project-URL text is there right underneath
 
yeah that makes snese
@wim neat
 
@wim how is it yours?
 
9:50 PM
Ah!
 
wim
it used to be pretty weird / bad
 
Nice! +1 to all those who help improve documentation.
 
@wim never heard of this, does it do anything, like get printed if the installation fails?
 
wim
No, it does nothing except put that content into the project metadata
note that the PEP is dated from 2005 (~ Python 2.5)
back in the day, they were presumably planning to add enough tooling around Python eggs so that pip could be a real grown up package manager like rpm or apt
 
lol, well that idea went out the window didnt it
 
9:54 PM
ah, too bad
 
wim
yeah. that never happened, pip languished, and we are still stuck with setuptools/distutils
 
i still need to make extensive use of the documentation and trial and error when trying something new with setuptools
 
wim
I'm trying to inspire people to embrace pyproject.toml, because it really is a step in the right direction, but it's hard when they've removed functionality that people got used to (like editable installs)
and even harder when pypa make missteps such as recommending half-baked tools like Pipenv
 
in that case I'd just write custom custom error messages in my libs in case an expected external dependency isn't there
@wim still mad about that one..
 
wim
I mean, yeah, you can. But you shouldn't have to have that responsibility as a developer. That would never fly in something like RHEL.
 
9:57 PM
~~what's RHEL?~~
 
@alkasm triple dashes
 
wim
ah the old strikethrough dance
 
lol whatever im leaving it
 
---this will be struck---
 
yes yes I got it what syntax even is this??? why triple dashes???
 
wim
9:59 PM
SOCFM
stack overflow chat flavored markdown
 
but why
 
look at the top starred message on the right
 
wim
I don't know, SO chat is old and homebrew I guess
 
@alkasm to keep you on your toes
 
wim
they did add code fencing to main though
 
10:01 PM
@AndrasDeak that's the real reason for sure
 
@inspectorG4dget doesn't cover non-code formatting I think
 
whoops! g4dgetFail
 
wim
rotating knived again .. can't get away with anything around here 😄
 
@inspectorG4dget not new around these parts :) I was just surprised triple dash was chosen, since --- is already valid markdown syntax (and theres standard md syntax for strikethrough, too). just a double-bad
 
wim
I just realised how much "practice in the sandbox if necessary" makes new users sound like cats or puppies doing their toilet training
 
10:06 PM
@alkasm a Kapology. Seems my memory is failing me in my old age
 
@inspectorG4dget lmao I appreciate the edit
Do you all also have a folder on your comp with random python scripts that you do just to try random stuff? Like when you need something a little more involved than you want to get with an interpreter, or something that reqs multiple files?
If so, what do you name that folder? Just curious cuz I feel like we all have one.
 
~/Desktop/deleteme
`~/Desktop/porn`if it's not my work computer... or it's someone else's computer
That way, if anyone asks what I'm working on, I just say "porn" or "programming porn"
 
lol
"I found g4dget's porn folder! ....what kind of video is .py???"
 
corollary: I'm fun at parties
I wonder if VLC can play a .py video
 
I mean, it should be able to figure out the codec regardless of the extension, I think
 
10:14 PM
if it's binary, sure. Don't really know what it'll do with an ascii text file (alright fine, utf-8 can join)
 
@wim all of these are bad, would this be a candidate for a conanical? It pops up so often.
 
@alkasm I think I now have 5, not to mention directories that I just open up in projects that I'm actually working on and then have to go searching for "untitled" and "delete_me" before committing changes. I make my life very distressing for myself it seems.
 
@inspectorG4dget whats the diff? it's all just binary on disk, you have to know the encoding to read it regardless. Like, if I name a jpeg to have the png extension, image viewing/editing programs still know its a jpeg.
 
touche
 
10:23 PM
@AnttiHaapala yikes on that comment: "Apart from that: your code is kind of trash. "
 
@alkasm the author of that comment is suspended until 2025 :D
 
"Apart from that: your code is kind of trash. We have decent HTML parsers like htmllib, Beautifulsoup etc. Parsing HTML yourself is crap."
... wow :)
 
surprised that flagging the comment of a long-suspended user doesn't auto-delete it
 
haha just cast cvs on the question :D
 
I did lol no worries
 
10:26 PM
anw, it is not as if Andreas were wrong :P
 
one more
@AnttiHaapala lol yea i mean, don't do that. but also, golden rule and all.
 
Why did they get suspended btw? I don't think I recognise the name, I assume it's due to some recent activity?
 
wim
suspended for answering typo questions
 
That would be somewhat poetic, but I assume it was something else :)
 
wim
yeah it a throwaway joke. user appears to have many quality answers
which can correlate with a suspension for standing their ground on "don't compromise quality for the welcome wagon" and getting into argument on meta ... wild guess here
 
10:36 PM
Perhaps it's just gonna be speculation then. That's a couple of long-time users getting long bans and I've not seen the drama around it, but I haven't had time for meta for big portions of the day so maybe things get swept up pretty quickly
Separately, I mentioned the new popouts on Chrome links a couple of weeks ago back and apparently it's a feature. Now suddenly they've become really really heavy and tacky-looking. I've tried clearing my cache to see whether I broke them with my own CSS; are any other Chrome users seeing this?
 
@wim most of his answers seem like inflated comments...
 
wim
@roganjosh is not mean, just german directness
dutch are the same way
the problems of trying to moderate a truly international site 😒
 
@wim Well, I've already raised my own views on that. I'm just surprised the comment has survived, but it was a different era in SO and I've been pulled up myself for my comments by mods in the past so I can't really talk
 
wim
11:24 PM
how antti found random post from 2011 anyway
 
By chance I guess
 
wim
11:38 PM
oh, nice addition to ArgumentParser. That thing was always mildly annoying in tests
have to wait until 3.9 to use :'(
the bug existed since 2010, LOL
 
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