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7:00 PM
I think there's some misunderstanding! You're always welcome to silently disengage if that's what feels correct for you. We actually often find disengaging is the best answer when you're in a situation that makes you uncomfortable. Just be certain you don't do harm when you disengage by making a statement that you can not or will not comply with their request. — Catija ♦ yesterday
I don't respond to like 40% of my pings
 
@wim Well, it's a specious argument, hence the smilie. OTOH, anti-racist white people in the USA do acknowledge that slavery gave some social & economic advantages to the white families in those times, and established patterns that continue to have ramifications.
 
Sometimes because the humorous back-and-forth we had previously established has reached a satisfying point of conclusion, sometimes because my attention is directed six different ways
 
@wim I think you've misread the policy
 
@wim I deleted my musings in favor of catja's answer on the matter. maybe they should have given examples, they had some in the last CoC update I think.
 
They're encouraging disengement
 
7:03 PM
Stupid question here (you're shocked I know) but should we be using the python tag or the python3x whatever tag now? I asked a question yesterday that was pretty much python version agnostic but the three tag was quickly added.
 
I mean, I did have to browse through a dozen answers before I found a statement that officially endorsed disengagement. Could be clearer.
 
@Kevin I saw that post. IIRC, she self-deleted that answer because the comments got unpleasant. Too many anti-LGBTQ people saying unpleasant stuff she had no intention of being associated with.
 
I try to be socially aware and am squarely in the tolerance camp (note: I did not say tolerable) but our history and knowledge rests on the shoulders (and backs) of many before us who have done atrocious things by current standards. It would be impossible to do anything that didn't involve the use of something that came from someone despicable in the past (including breath, since ... you know ... dna and stuff)
 
@Dodge The common assumption is that it's Python 3 these days, you shouldn't need to add the tag
 
@Dodge I usually just tag Python. If someone else adds 3.x, <shrug>
No skin off my back, unless they had to delete a more descriptive tag to make room
 
7:05 PM
Yes those were my thoughts as well, just checking, thanks
 
@piRSquared I... don't follow the point you're making :P
 
@Dodge Just the generic python tag is adequate. But don't worry if someone adds the python-3.x tag, unless the code will work correctly on all versions.
 
What is a sobering thought is what do we do (I do, you do) that will be considered unacceptable in the future? Driving a car, eating a hamburger?
 
@piRSquared I’m gonna guess wearing clothes
 
wim
I remove tag on sight if it is not relevant. It's my hope that will be synonimized to after 2020.
 
7:07 PM
@roganjosh my point is that we cannot disentangle our lives from those in the past who have done what we think is wrong.
 
@Dodge Conversely, if you see Python posts that only have a version tag please add the generic tag. Same goes for pandas, numpy, django, etc.
 
This is an anti-anti-boycott argument
 
@PM2Ring Oh, good point, I'll do that
 
@piRSquared I think I'm about to disagree with you big time (in a friendly way) but I'm interested in you elaborating
 
Therefore, it is silly for people to not use things because someone they don't like was involved in that thing's creation
I get boycotting in an effort to not further enrich someone who you believe is doing harm now
 
7:10 PM
Lots of us have Python gold badges, so we can dupe-hammer stuff. Hardly anyone has gold python-3.x badges. And if non-badge holders answer a Python question without the generic tag then they won't get the points that bring them closer to earning that badge.
 
@piRSquared I agree for 99.999% of cases.
The toothbrush mustache may be forever lost to us, however.
 
@piRSquared nm, I missed the context of what you were replying to, sorry
 
@PM2Ring Ahhh, that makes perfect sense
 
“Toothbrush mustache”?
Toothpaste?
 
As in, the Hitler mustache. </joke_explained>
 
7:14 PM
I picked up my thread of comments in response to @PM2Ring's "then anti-gay should use comps" comment. And I thought "If I were anti-something, I wouldn't care if someone who qualified as being from the 'something' class were involved. I'd continue using it anyway."
 
Oh I thought you were implying the person who made toothpaste was messed up.
 
@Kevin True. And a lot of Hindus are upset that one of their ancient religious symbols has become tainted by its association with that bloke & his cronies.
 
@Dair I almost googled that until a picture of a guy with his 'stache covered in toothpaste and shoved in his mouth popped into my head
 
Also, most of the time (not all), people who are "anti-something" tend not to have a good rational reason (imo)
 
@PM2Ring The good and just might be able to reclaim "windmill-looking shapes made out of eight lines" but it's going to take a while
 
7:16 PM
@Kevin just go with five arms
 
The Egyptians made toothpaste
 
There's a lot of people that say "it's a real shame that this ancient symbol had a zillion years of perfectly innocent use, and we can't use it any more". Not quite as many people advocate for toothbrush mustaches.
 
TIL
 
Let's be honest, toothbrush mustaches never really had a good run
 
Ir looked good on Charlie Chaplin.
@piRSquared Mostly. Unless it's stuff almost everyone can agree is bad like arson, murder, etc.
 
7:20 PM
I am anti-murder... for the record
 
wim
what the dupe for the double backslash thing ? stackoverflow.com/q/58347227/674039
 
@PM2Ring “pmwiki” hey it’s you!
 
wim
 
omgoodness, that made me laugh so hard
 
@wim That's sort of like the heap of sand thing, how many does constitute a murder, three?
 
@Dodge Always two there are, possibly more, no less.
What constitutes a murder now becomes a deep philosophical problem
 
How do Sith reproduce if there are only ever two?
 
Here's a great song about two crows, but the lyrics are in a very Scottish form of English, with lots of Scots Gaelic thrown in. She gives a quick synopsis in regular English at the end, though.
Apr 20 '15 at 12:10, by PM 2Ring
@corvid My favourite song about crows: Twa Corbies by The Maeve Gilchrist Trio with Maeve Gilchrist, Duncan Wickel, Aidan O'Donnell. This version of the song is Scottish. Maeve was born in Scotland, although her mother is Irish.
 
@Dodge it doesn't rely on family lines, just like the Jedi don't
 
7:30 PM
Maybe they reach a certain size and then divide in half.
 
Mitosis then?
 
It’s mitosis then.
 
Obvious lag in the shared brain connection
 
It appears that all logic is being thrown out of the window here
 
@piRSquared I reformatted yours to be similar to the line: “It’s treason then”
 
7:32 PM
ahh
 
That's what I thought, although I wasn't sure
 
It wasn’t that good in all honesty but I went for it anyway.
 
fair enough
 
Who is Yoda's son/daughter? I mean, they're the eldest Jedi that I know of, so how can you have more Jedi since they can't procreate?
 
@roganjosh Metaclorians infect the host, no reproduction is needed shrugs
 
wim
7:34 PM
bahaha
@SyntaxVoid It probably went the same place that the "e" in "directory" went. — glibdud 8 mins ago
droll
 
Also, let us not forget the theory of Darth Jar Jar
 
@Dair right, and each of those being that you suppose just happen to spring in to being are susceptible to becoming Sith. This angle or argument isn't working :P
 
@roganjosh Are you ready to get into a more heated discussion than the current CoC? :P
But really idk. I would have to think about it a lot, but I should do math soon and I need to save energy for that.
 
I will probably be out-gunned on my Star Wars knowledge pretty early on, but if this is the caliber I'm facing, bring it :P
 
<insert obligatory “This is where the fun begins” quote>
 
7:38 PM
@roganjosh ha! I was toast about five minutes ago regarding any Star Wars debate
 
@Dodge there is a time for bluffing, too. Don't show your hand :)
 
Who knows? Maybe I was bluffing the whole time?
 
You were
 
But can you prove it?
 
To myself, which oddly passes all my internal checks :P
 
7:44 PM
Verifying a program’s correctness is different than testing a program’s correctness :P
rbrb I need to do some math.
 
I'm still unconvinced that it makes thermodynamic sense for a sarlacc to sustain the life of its victims for a thousand years instead of just digesting them like a normal predator
If you can find a citation that says "Actually in the Star Wars universe, psychic energy is ten million times more potent than chemical energy" then I will be satisfied, but I couldn't find any such thing in my own searches
 
errr
Are you deliberately muddying waters here by crossing 2 franchises?
 
Did I get the name wrong? The big scary mouth in the ground that Luke almost got fed to.
 
Lol
 
@Kevin i confirm sarlacc is the name of that thing
 
7:49 PM
I read the whole thing with "predator" as Predator. Oh dear
 
You can't prove that Predators don't eventually grow into giant desert mouths after their mobile stage
 
No, I cannot
Though that line of thinking is like sending a car crash into another car crash. A veritable cinematic pile-up
 
from now on I will proclaim that predators are sarlacc larvae
 
Incidentally I know little enough about the Predator franchise that you could easily convince me they're vegetarian
 
wim
@AndrasDeak This statement is on thin ice for an international website though
 
7:52 PM
cbg
 
@Kevin What we do know about them is that they are very short-sighted and have minimal mental capacity
 
I have a function f(x, y) that takes two numerical arguments and returns a number. I also have two numpy vectors X and Y. How do I apply f pairwise to the values in these vectors to get the vector Z?
 
I think this is the second actual Python question of the day so far
 
are you counting?
 
wim
there are large parts of the world, perhaps even majority, that only recognize XX (genetic female) and XY (genetic male) as genders and the others are syndromes or deformities
 
7:54 PM
cuz I been busy with a release this morning and haven't had much time for chat.
 
Is "vector" an actual type, or shorthand for a 1d array?
 
@Code-Apprentice one way: result = np.array([*map(f, X, Y)])
 
If you're thinking "only someone with no practical np experience would ask that", you're not wrong
 
do you have control over f?
 
shorthand for a 1d array
 
7:56 PM
if so, you can write it such that f(X, Y) works the way you'd like.
 
@Kevin and I thought you were referring to me with the comment about "no practical np experience" because the shoe fits
@piRSquared ok, that's similar to what I had in mind using plain ol' python. I was wondering if there was some fancy function in numpy that does this
 
@Code-Apprentice There's vectorize, but it's just a convenience function, it can't do any Numpy magic.
 
there is, but it's clumsy. apply_along_axis and apply_over_axes
 
@Code-Apprentice Sorry about that. As you have guessed, the correct interpretation is that I, Kevin, have no practical np experience.
 
Your best bet is to either make f capable of taking arrays OR use some jit tool like Numba
 
8:00 PM
Putting down the abilities of others is neither constructive nor hilarious, so it is not within my personal brand
 
@Kevin no need to apologize...I just needed to read posts in chronological order to decipher you rmeaning.
 
@piRSquared this is a one-off thing to try to visualize an f that I'm trying to minimize
so efficiency isn't critical as long as it runs like by the end of the day
 
if it's one off and you're trying to visualize and it's less than 10k in length, then just use map
 
yup, I'm trying that out now
 
8:03 PM
@physicish in the room. do you follow minutephysics on youtube?
 
Oh...I lied. It's f(*p)...but I can figure that detail out
might have to use zip...
 
@Code-Apprentice if you give an mcve I'm 90% sure you won't have to use zip
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 1 hour ago, by Stevoisiak
If anyone wants to see if they've used gender pronouns on SO: https://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1124194/user-specific-gendered-comment-count
@piRSquared Not me. I hardly watch anything apart from music clips on YouTube
 
I watched a 20 minute thing about polarized light. Two filters at 90 degrees blocks all light. Slip a third filter in between at 45 degrees and now you let light through. It was new to me. So now I'll watch more of it.
I really like some of the remote corners of youtube
 
oh wait...X and Y are 2D arrays
 
8:15 PM
@piRSquared Yeah, that's a good demo. But don't just trust a video, do the experiment yourself. :)
 
huh...so I need to apply f pairwise over two 2D arrays...and get a 2D array as a result
 
wim
@PM2Ring stupid query... doesn't search questions/answers only comments... and doesn't actually show you the comments!
 
@Code-Apprentice:
def f(x, y): return x + y
a, b = np.random.randint(10, size=(2, 10, 2))
c = f(a, b)
if f is defined in such a way, you can just pass the ndarrays directly
 
@piRSquared thanks...but my question has changed. I'll get back to you when I sort this out in my head
 
@wim Sorry. There are improved versions later in the thread, but I didn't check them out.
 
@piRSquared I settled on Z = np.array([[f(p) for p in zip(*rows)] for rows in zip(X, Y)]). This appears to give me what I want. I'm sure there's a less verbose way, though.
 
wim
yes sorry my bad too ... this one
 
now I'm trying to plot this as a 3d wireframe in matplotlib
 
wim
wow, I have only one hit this whole year and I was talking about a function not a person
A function inspecting his own signature seems unnecessarily complicated to me. — wim Jan 18 at 6:51
 
8:28 PM
ug...now matplotlib isn't cooperating
I copied code from an example that works, but my copied version doesn't work
ax = fig.add_subplot(111, projection='3d') throws "ValueError: Unknown projection '3d'"
nvm
 
8:45 PM
@wim well that applies to the whole concept of applying/assuming western liberal rights on SE
@wim the implementation is abysmal
 
Looks like I'm a gendered pronoun using fool
 
2nd day of rep cap on Astro for that Mars question that's only just barely astronomy. Oh well. astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/33628/16685 I'm not complaining about the points or the pile of badges, but I'd prefer them on a question that was a little more astronomical. ;)
 
@wim most of mine seem to refer to people whose gender I know. I did find at least one unwelcoming comment, oops
@Code-Apprentice from mpl_toolkits.mplot3d import Axes3D
 
@wim that was rather insightful, I had a couple of hits with some of them also recent
and here i was, thinking I had already been compliant since ages =D
 
9:01 PM
How are people finding the actual comments from that? I'm probably being thick but I can't see the resultant comments
 
the version wim linked includes the actual comments as well: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/47553908#47553908
 
@roganjosh first column contains links?
 
Aha, no, I was running the first query
 
ah, guess he was looking at a different query
yeah
 
9:23 PM
Well, that was a worry when I searched with the latter tool because it gives quite a long list. That was almost a mea culpa moment until I looked at the former tool and my percentage is the lowest from us participating <wipes brow>. I made a lot of comments. Still, there's a couple of cases where I probably should have done better
 
wim
9:43 PM
you checked everybody else % too? lol
 
If there's a line to boot me off my temporary soapbox, wouldn't that be the smart thing to do? :)
 
wim
I wish I had a more memorable user id
 
The last thing I want is to be called a hypocrite. It's perfectly possible that it will happen, but I would like to assure myself
 
wim
then I wouldn't have to copy and paste it from the url bar all the time
 
2336654 is forgotten all the time
 
9:47 PM
It's in everyone's URL
 
674039
making a game of it
I'll create a narrative around it
 
I remember the days when I always had a dozen or more user IDs floating around in my head, they were called phone numbers
 
what are "phone numbers" daddy?
 
Well son, pull up a chair....
 
@piRSquared Z = np.array([[f(p) for p in zip(*rows)] for rows in zip(X, Y)])
 
9:49 PM
@piRSquared stop with the distractions already, I'm waiting for the bedtime story!
 
X and Y are actually 2D arrays, not vectors
so that's my final solution. And the wireframes in matplot lib are beautiful
 
@Code-Apprentice if you don't want speed, just convenience, then np.vectorize can hide that loop for you even if your function can't be properly vectorized
 
hey @wim, you user id is 18 less than the first of these twin primes: (674057, 674059)
That's cool and memorable I'd say
 
it's also 674037 larger than the smallest prime
 
see that?
that's amazing
 
9:55 PM
what are the odds
 
what's one divided by Aleph Naught?
 
wim
I only have the twin primes memorized up to 600000 though
 
so close
 
Disclaimer: Not asking for votes. I got upvoted for this today and it reminds me of how much it sticks in my craw when my answer is underrated. I really liked this answer. stackoverflow.com/a/57014212/2336654
 
10:13 PM
rbrb room6. have a good weekend
 
rbrb
 
wim
10:26 PM
oh no, I got tricked into opening a post.
 
10:37 PM
@wim News to me - thanks!
 
11:02 PM
@AndrasDeak thanks. What I have fits my needs atm. I'll keep vectorize in mind for the future. Now I'm moving on to matplotlib to plot a wireframe of these coords.
@piRSquared to be fair, the question and other answer don't have many upvotes, either
 
11:14 PM
ax.text(0, 0, 'foo') gives "TypeError: text() missing 1 required positional argument: 's'" Why?
but it's the end of the day and I'm ready to go home for the weekend. ciao
 
wim
11:31 PM
how can you close questions that are just kind of ... layer 8 problems? system is functioning normally but user doesn't understand it anyway? stackoverflow.com/q/58349427/674039 or do you close them at all?
 

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