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4:00 PM
@idjaw I think you may like these songs (audio + still photo) Miss Shapiro / You Really Got Me, by 801.
 
Holy crap, it's true:
> For their part, British people are more likely to say van-GOFF (see Matt Smith in the Doctor Who episode “Vincent and the Doctor”). Meanwhile, Americans—presumably influenced by the “-gh” pronunciation in words like “though”—pronounce it van-GO. Brits and Americans each tend to think that their way is correct, but actually both are wrong. The Dutch pronunciation would be closer to vun-KHOKH.
 
That Doctor Who episode is the one and only time I have ever heard anyone pronounce it van-GOFF.
I thought "well this guy is, like, a Van Goff expert so I guess that's how it's supposed to be pronounced"
 
There's a great scene in Manhattan where Dianne Keaton calls him by the Dutch pronunciation and Woody Allen does a double take.
 
But then I thought "this guy is an actor playing an expert so there's no telling whether anyone coached him about pronunciation"
 
van-GOFF is a pretty common pronunciation in Australia, although you do hear van-GO. Unless you're in an area with a strong Dutch influence, like Dee Why.
 
4:04 PM
Dr Who is not known for its stringent adherence to historical accuracy
Still a good episode, regardless
 
I had a girlfriend who tried to convince me Nietzsche was pronounced "Neets-kay"
 
@PM2Ring oh thank you. It's been a while! :)
 
That whole channel is hilarious!: youtu.be/mLUB885Pun0
 
I recall in high school I argued with my friend about the pronunciation of "Xiao". He was a proponent of ECKS-ee-ay-ow. I wasn't sure of anything other than the fact that he was wrong.
 
Miss Shapiro just came up on my random MP3 list, and I had to share it. :)
 
4:07 PM
Holy cow I'm dying: Coachella: "Coochie brohella"
I'm pretty sure it would be "Sheeow" wouldn't it?
 
Wikipedia has unhelpfully not provided me with a pronunciation guide for the first two pages I looked at on this topic
Oh, here it is: /ʃaʊ/
 
So more like "Shaow"
 
> /ʃ/: 'sh' in 'shy'
/aʊ/: 'ou' in 'mouth'
High school me's guess was close, but he assumed more Z and less S
 
One of my philosophy professors told us about his philosophy professor that pronounced Kant like the 4-letter word.
Midwesterner
 
I Kant even
 
4:13 PM
@malan sounds accurate
In German, I mean
 
Really? I thought it was more like 'Kahnt'
 
I can't parse fake English phonetics in any unambiguous way
IPA or bust :P
 
Hahaha
one sec
 
> /kænt/
/k/: 'k' in 'kind'
/æ/: 'a' in 'bad'
/n/: 'n' in 'neigh'
/t/: 't' in 'tie'
 
@Kevin /ʒ/?
 
4:17 PM
Yeah, ʒ
 
@Kevin yeah but they meant u in under
 
So it's more like can't
 
@malan more like country...
 
country would be like the 4 letter word!
So can't, c*nt, and cahnt
Can't decide
 
@malan indeed adjusts monocle
 
4:19 PM
Wiktionary says that "most US speakers, Canada, Scotland, Ireland, Northern England" pronounce "can't" as /kænt/, so it's a 100% match to Kant
 
No. To English "Kant".
> German: [ʔɪˈmaːnu̯eːl ˈkant, -nu̯ɛl -]
 
So you're saying that the pronunciation of Kant endorsed by Wikipedia is the ignorant American pronunciation, and not what his friends would call him? I buy that.
 
Same with OED
 
my quote is from wikipedia
> Immanuel Kant (/kænt/;[15] German: [ʔɪˈmaːnu̯eːl ˈkant, -nu̯ɛl -];[16][17] 22 April 1724 – 12 February 1804) was a German philosopher who is a central figure in modern philosophy.
 
4:22 PM
So not so much "endorsed" as it is "appearing first in the article"
 
Close enough for English-speakers :PP
 
hello guys
 
It's extremely throwing me off that the German IPA is just regular letters. "Kant" is pronounced "kant", thanks Wikipedia
 
IPA confuses me too: I can't hear a difference between /a/ and /æ/
 
My favourite: "Kifli (Hungarian pronunciation: [ˈkifli], meaning "twist", "crescent") is a traditional European yeast roll made into a crescent shape."
@malan try forvo.com. British vs American "can't"
(I think)
Or just find some other word. Or listen to Kant's in English and German.
 
4:25 PM
letter | examples               | English approximation
k      |kann, Tag cremen, sechs | cold
a      |alles, Kalender         | father, but short
n      |Name                    | not
t      |Tag, und, Stadt         | tall
 
@AndrasDeak Well, yeah, that's hilarious. Basically, any guide to IPA is so influenced by regional pronunciations it's nearly impossible to identify how they sound in the first place!
 
@malan yup. But at least IPA is a common ground.
 
I just have trouble getting to that common ground!
American guide to IPA
 
That's why you should listen.
 
"father but short" is not a very illustrative example to me. Couldn't they have picked a word that already had a Germanlike short a sound? This is not a rhetorical question, there really might not be one.
 
4:28 PM
@AndrasDeak Excellent advice: to YouTube!
 
ugh
3 mins ago, by Andras Deak
@malan try forvo.com. British vs American "can't"
 
I remember it taking me forever in my first year of ancient Greek to identify the difference between a in father and a at the end of drama
@AndrasDeak Hahaha. okay okay.
 
The ideal IPA guide would choose words that are pronounced the same everywhere. Whether such words actually exist is an exercise left to the writer.
 
@Kevin unlikely
 
Does forvo have an ipa guide?
 
4:30 PM
For example, I'm running "cold" through all the stereotypical accents that come to mind and I'm not seeing an enormous deviation
Cold, wot? Cold, eh? Cold, mate?
 
@malan probably not
 
@Kevin I don't there is one that's spelt with "a", but the "u" in "but" or "cut" is pretty close, in many regions. Although, eg in Northern England, those words rhyme with "foot".
 
so that corresponds to "German: [...]" on the Kant wikipedia page
 
All of those pronunciations of Kant are exactly the way I thought originally! Kahnt!
 
why IPA letters are not machinely standardized sounds? The world is a lie
 
4:34 PM
I have learned nothing and will continue to avoid conversations about philosophers
 
aka wave packets
 
@Hakaishin They are, but getting to understand the standardized sounds is impossible because every time they show a guide in print they use words with regional pronunciation differences.
 
I think their point is to have machine-generated sounds you can play for a given IPA sound.
the problem is that a single sound is very hard to comprehend
 
I vaguely recall reading about a mouth robot that was in development for this very purpose
 
the range from o through å and á to a [Hungarian] is hard to trace with a single sound
 
4:38 PM
I mean otherwise the whole idea of IPA makes no sense to me, if it is not a machine that is making the sound...
 
I will not be googling "mouth robot" in order to provide citations, have a nice day
 
@Hakaishin sounds are unambiguous. Language isn't.
A given language will pronounce the same word with different sounds based on region and dialect. But this means they use different sounds. Different IPA letters.
"IPA a" is not "the 'a' in Kant". It's "the 'a' in Kant the way 95% of Germans probably say it, like so: /IPA 'a' sound/"
 
As long as the person you are speaking to understands you there is no "wrong" pronunciation. Everybody claiming otherwise is just sitting on a highhorse
 
OK, we're talking past each other.
 
No I get you, Kant can have different IPA letters depending on the region, that is what you are saying right?
 
4:42 PM
@AndrasDeak Defininitely: youtu.be/mRSAOBKLXP4?t=39
 
I'm saying IPA is exact, so I don't get why "the whole idea of IPA" doesn't make sense to you
 
"Talking past one another in a conversation about finding common ground in communication" <- high quality irony 👌👌👌
 
you are either confused or plain wrong :P
I was trying to fix the former
 
There are texts that contain all (or most) phonemes used in English linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/9315/… Of course, that doesn't help with sounds that English doesn't use.
 
@Hakaishin IPA is standard: /a/ sounds like /a/ everywhere, it just isn't used in all the same words everywhere, so where a Brit says can't with /a/, an american says it with /æ/
 
4:43 PM
I interpret "the whole idea of IPA makes no sense to me" as "IPA is useful in theory but useless in practice until completely objective standards of each symbol is settled upon"
 
And how do you know a sounds like a everywhere? Is there a sound file associated with it?
 
@Hakaishin /a/ is a given sound by definition
 
by what definition?
 
linguistical
 
We say that /a/ has a standard sound, but unless you can produce it by blowing air through a metal pipe or something, there's still a lot of qualia involved
 
4:44 PM
that is not how sound works...
 
okay
 
Hakaishin brings up a good point, though, how do they define it? Is it like the traditional metric system where we keep sound files (like the kilometre block)?
 
@PM2Ring nice linguistic quick brown fox :)
 
I would assume so, atleast this would sound like a reasonable system.
 
Maybe it's like the meter, where everyone agrees what it should be, but not many people actually go to the trouble of bouncing light off a cesium atom, or however that works
 
4:45 PM
but I know nothing about IPA
 
kilogram block* I said kilometre block like an idiot
 
I would love to see a kilometre block :D
 
You can get 99.999% accuracy with a consumer-grade laser beam, and maybe that's good enough
 
@AndrasDeak That makes perfect sense.
 
4:46 PM
There are actual scientists making a living out of studying language. So, yeah...there are probably definitions.
 
@AndrasDeak Isn't this still quite inacurate, compared to sound files?
 
*rides away on his high horse*
 
No, it tells you precisely how to pronounce the phonemes using your mouth.
 
lol^^
 
That chart is the 99.999% accurate laser. We just want to see the cesium detector
 
4:47 PM
But I don't have the same accuracy with my mouth, as I do with a computer
 
Other people do :P.
 
Like there is so much variance in this chart, makes me triggered^^
 
I remember in linguistics learning highly technical definitions of labiodental vs labial vs dental vs alveolar vs plosive, etc. etc.
And modifiers like fricative,e tc.
So, there is variance to the sounds, because humans have variant voices. But the production of the noise is standardized.
 
The speech synthesizer on the Amiga used ARPAbet, which only covers American sounds, so it was annoying if you tried to use it to say words with sounds that don't exist in General American. That wasn't much of an issue in the early versions of AmigaOS, since the synthetic voice had a strong American accent anyway, but later versions could produce any accent.
 
@malan That's good enough for me. I don't need to know what the highly technical definitions are, only that they exist :-)
I sleep soundly at night knowing that undergrads are staying up late reading a 300 page standards document
 
4:53 PM
I wouldn't go that far.
 
undergrads are staying up late skimming the document, then playing fortnite
 
well it's still linguistics xkcd.com/435
 
^^
 
The alt text on that is brilliant
 
where does philosophy fit on that scale?
 
4:57 PM
That scale is for science. *drops mic*
 
;-)
 
Beauty and Truth are components of the same wave, at right angles to one another
 
@piRSquared I had the same question
 
Now I'm wondering how people around the world pronounce "Python". I expect there's a lot of variation in the "y", and lots of people havs trouble with the "th" sound, since it doesn't exist in many languages, apart from English & Icelandic, AFAIK.
 
@AndrasDeak however... I think math being a science is debatable
 
5:00 PM
>"Beauty is truth, truth beauty," – that is all
>Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.
 
@PM2Ring We don't have th but it's been obvious for decades how it should be pronounced. Lisp is common enough that th is easy to get. Well, the voiceless th anyway.
Lot of my folks call python in Hungarian, as "piton" :/
then again my folks are prone to calling it Monthy Python
 
Hahaha Monthy :D
 
it's not common knowledge at all that Monty is a diminutive of Montgomery
 
Didn't know that.
 
I use spell it pythong and would get redirected to a site with David Hasselhoff
 
5:03 PM
<-- Not googling
 
@AndrasDeak I am only aware of this thanks to Monty Burns
 
@coldspeed I think I can safely say yes to that.
 
@piRSquared even the Earth being round is debatable, but that doesn't change the fact that it is
 
@AndrasDeak ... /ad_looking_for_mic_so_he_can_drop_it_again
 
5:06 PM
I'm a bit wary of going down another tunnel of non sequiturs so I won't try figuring out what you meant by that message
 
On a totally different subject, if you can wake up before dawn, and have a clear view of the eastern sky, check out Venus & Jupiter. They were just in conjunction, and will still be fairly close to each other for the next couple of days. You can't miss them, since they're the brightest celestial bodies after the Sun & Moon.
 
^^^^ is another clever quip that is deserving of a mic drop... However, you already dropped it.
 
not that; the one about math not being a science
 
But how will this influence my horoscopes?
 
@PM2Ring that reminds me, I only learned about the total lunar eclipse the day after. But I was happy to learn that it was visible in Hungary at around 5 AM so I wouldn't have seen it anyway
 
5:09 PM
Philosophy being dismissed as not science is fair. However, I noted that Math might not be a science either. That would invalidate the dismissal of philosophy and put back into question where it belongs.
 
Yeah, so would a complete redefinition of science.
 
Philosophy isn't science, it's a birthing ground for science.
Math is a whole 'nother ball game
<-- Phi major :-P
 
FWIW I'm not sure what to think about philosophy. I mean I know it's science, but I'm wondering how much of the field's practice is according to traditional scientific methods
which is not to say that it's worth less, it's just different
 
That eclipse was invisible from Australia. But that's ok, I've seen lots of lunar eclipses. But I wouldn't mind seeing a total solar eclipse some day...
 
My claim is that it isn't a whole 'nother ball game. Philosophy lays down the ground work for logic. Mathematics wouldn't exist without it.
 
5:11 PM
It's not at all, which is why it's not a science. It's a place to explore the edges of human knowledge that eventually produces enough rigor to spawn a science.
@piRSquared Acknowledged. But math is sufficiently 'pure' that much math doesn't get applied to science at all
 
rbrb wife making me do stuff
 
naming the field "love of wisdom" was a nice touch
 
Mathematics has been called the queen of the arts, and the handmaiden of the sciences.
 
I've always felt the whole "Philosophy hasn't made any progress on any of it's major problems in 2000 + years" thing to be a load of hooey.
Doesn't stop philosophers from perpetuating it
 
OTOH, Gauss said Mathematics is the queen of sciences and number theory is the queen of mathematics. And as one of the greatest mathemticians and greatest physicists the world has ever seen, I think he's entitled to his opinion. ;)
 
5:17 PM
and he missed a lot of fun in number theory
 
True, but that fun may not have happened if not for Gauss's groundwork.
 
so, math is related to science
 
math could have married into the family
 
@malan I'd say an awful lot of math eventually gets applied eventually
 
Yeah, after I said it I thought, well, a lot of pure theory gets applied after like 50 years. e.g., non-euclidean geometry
 
5:20 PM
I'd say Math is the language of science
 
Eg, Riemann's geometry of curved spaces was pure maths, until Minkowski & Einstein applied it to relativity.
And lots of stuff in number theory, like primes & finite fields, is now the basis of our strongest cryptography.
 
Matrices being used by quantum mechanics is another.
 
Math is the language, philosophy is the idea, science is the marriage.
 
then again linear maps are more applied than abstract geometry, so that's a worse example
 
Well, matrices have always had application, since they're a neat way to solve simultaneous equations.
 
5:24 PM
Yeah, you're right. I had the non-commutativity as a fundamental property in mind.
 
I haven't done any coding in over a month, so maybe I messed this up. But you can't have keyword args before positional args, right?
Nice answer, although you shouldn't have a keyword arg like your c=20 before *args. — PM 2Ring yesterday
 
Sounds right to me
 
Or, hmm
I'mma need the specification for this one
 
On Gauss and his relationship to his sons " His sons reported that he discouraged them from going into science on the ground that he did not want any second-rate work associated with his name." encyclopedia.com/people/science-and-technology/…
 
5:32 PM
>>> def foo(bar, baz=42, *quux):
...     pass
...

>>> foo()
 
Gauss evidently understands regression to the mean
 
perhaps that order is only relevant for calls
 
def some_func(something=None, b):
    return b

a = some_func(2)
SyntaxError: non-default argument follows default argument
 
that's not an *args though
 
@roganjosh Yeah, that's what I was thinking of.
 
5:33 PM
@AndrasDeak "But you can't have keyword args before positional args, right?" How can you have keyword args in *args?
 
@AndrasDeak Hmmm. Ok.
 
man. i've embraced test driven development, and now i'm spending more time debugging selenium doing weird shit than i am actually writing my stuff :c
 
@AmagicalFishy to avoid grief, I suggest you edit out the expletive
 
I've seen def func(*, kwarg=val) before, to throw away the positional arugments
 
oh. do people get angry if someone else swears?
 
I'm not a room mod but it's against the rules and you only have 2 mins to edit
 
- No swearing or crude language. It is not acceptable on Stack Overflow.
Rule 2
 
oic
edited~
guess it didn't take
 
:/ I tried but couldn't convey fast enough :P
 
Why isn't there a filter?
 
5:40 PM
np. thank for the warning, though. i'm sure i can handle any grief i get over it
 
Because We are consenting adults ;)
 
anyway selenium is weird and i hate it
>:(
 
I too, @AmagicalFishy get annoyed by how much I spend debugging tests instead of code
 
hang in there bud, every tool has its quirks. Selenium is pretty useful overall though.
 
it does seem super useful. my hate for it is definitely ephemeral (BUT FURIOUS)
 
5:43 PM
@AmagicalFishy Don't worry about it, but try not to do it again. It's a general Stack Exchange rule, but some of the Chat rooms are a bit lax regarding that one, but here in the Python room we like to keep it family-friendly.
 
family-friendly and/or safe-for-work
 
i dig that, yeah. i'll keep to family-friendly words henceforth
 
I don't know what words I could say that wouldn't be safe for where I work... at least not in isolation :P
 
@roganjosh I'm thinking of one-boxed weird youtube videos
 
@piRSquared I was thinking of combinations of words that I could say but held in :P
 
5:48 PM
"Let's operate this forklift without reading the user's manual first"
 
^ have you guys seen the "Liverpool digger" videos?
 
"The industrial smoosher is jammed again, can you fish around and try to pull out the obstruction?"
 
Invocation of Rule #9
 
"The walkways over the molten iron vats don't need railings, we'll just be really careful"
 
.... What happens when you don't pay your contractors. It's like an elegant ballet of destruction.
 
5:51 PM
I think it's fairly natural for coders to swear, especially when they're trying to debug shoddy code, or when dealing with an unpleasant library or language. I swear more when doing JavaScript than Python. :)
 
Where's that video of the factory floor where three hundred feet of red hot molten rope just sort of spurts out of the hot molten rope spooler
 
im scared at the kind of videos youve seen.
 
I have learned to read "np" as "NumPy", not "no problem"
 
Kevin has fascinating word choices
 
thats np
 
5:52 PM
This is common enough that there is industry jargon for it, although I forget what it is. "Oh, the spooler is going for a walk again"
 
ongoing debate @ work. How do we pronounce numpy. Is it like Grumpy? Or PyPy?
 
"Industrial smoosher" and "hot molten rope spooler" seem less like jargon and more like Kevgon.
 
Found it. Content warning: real-life footage of a dangerous thing that real people only barely avoided
 
What can I use instead of the parent/child terminology (in the context of tree-like structures)?
 
Awww, all the videos show it from outside youtube.com/watch?v=JBkPKRYqaTE The real thing went on for 6 mins
 
wow, it hurts my brain trying to think of a good alternative for parent/child. Didn't foresee it being this tough. Any particular reason why you are looking for a different terminology?
 
Didn't python switch from master/slave to parent/child?
 
yes. and its easier to come up with alternatives for master/slave.
but they dont quite fit in tree-contexts
 
@vaultah facebook.com/holly.s.brown.1/videos/10217932925744994/… the full thing, but I kinda prefer youtube to facebook. I don't know if that link is accessible.
 
does parent/child also have negative connotations?
 
6:00 PM
Additional reading: boingboing.net/2017/07/24/watch-a-rope-of-molten-steel-b.html. Apparently this machine is a "roller", not a spooler. I tried.
 
None that im aware of. and they convey "hierarchy" in tree structures the best as far as i can think of any substitutes.
 
> "Lightsaber factory has an accident"
 
Highlight of the article
 
Agreed.
 
as for master/slave, theres server/agent or controller/worker, supervisor/worker, main/replica, driver/agent and so on. but i dont like any of those for trees
 
6:03 PM
this_bigger_branch.smaller_branches.append(this_smaller_branch)
this_smaller_branch.bigger_branch = this_bigger_branch
 
groan haha
 
@ParitoshSingh Branch/leaf
 
@AndrasDeak a bit too peopley
 
Well
 
And let's not forget the classic Bricklayer's Lament. irishsongs.com/lyrics.php?Action=view&Son Snopes says there are versions of this tale going back to the late 1800s.
 
6:03 PM
@malan leaves are only at the lowest level
 
Maybe plant biologists have a convenient terminology for this
 
Yeah.
 
my issue with leaf is that it signifies "ends"
exactly.
 
Limb/branch?
 
@vaultah we even have parent directories
 
6:04 PM
Trunk/branch?
 
Single edged node
 
and trunk would be topmost, right?
 
Trunk would be, but limb/branch isn't, right? Are limb's absolute or relative?
 
feudal_lord/thrall?
 
oh gosh haha
 
6:05 PM
@malan edited
 
@PM2Ring Ah yes, the timeless tale: Warning: mysql_fetch_array(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /home/isadmin/public_html/lyrics.php on line 89
 
@PM2Ring >Warning: mysql_fetch_array(): supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in /home/isadmin/public_html/lyrics.php on line 89
 
I think this is something we all could learn a lesson from
 
kevin'd
 
Bonus lesson: race conditions
 
6:07 PM
@Kevin Pulling up chair: what is Warning: mysql_fetch_array()
 
It is a metaphor for the folly of man
 
@Kevin Oops! I'm not sure what happened there. It's supposed to be a Wayback Machine link, but I guess it got slightly mangled. I'll try again.
 
More seriously, this appears to happen when the query string has unexpected keys
 
@vaultah honest suggestion: ascendant/descendant? Esoteric in this context but somewhat people-free.
 
Have you guys ever heard of the Icelandic Incest-Avoidance App (USA Today story)
 
6:10 PM
Most likely it's trying to get the first row from a SQL select statement, but the statement didn't return any rows
 
I feel like I just watched 5 minute video that turned out to be a commercial. Like a commercial rick rolling.
 
@PM2Ring Impressively unsafe.
 
@AndrasDeak yeah, I think that's a good option
 
Second only to that one forklift safety video that depicts various workers being beheaded and speared etc, but y'know in a funny way
Forklift Driver Klaus – The First Day on the Job (in German Staplerfahrer Klaus – Der erste Arbeitstag) is a German short film from 2000 about the first day of Klaus' work as a forklift driver. The film is a parody of work safety films from the 1980s. The film was written and directed by Stefan Prehn and Jörg Wagner. Konstantin Graudus plays the role of Klaus, and Egon Hoegen is the narrator. It adds to the air of authenticity that the narrator's voice is well known from road safety films, such as "Der 7. Sinn".The film quickly became famous, much thanks to its splatter film violence, which fans...
 
6:16 PM
To clarify, I'd say parent/child is acceptable in the context of trees, but since I'm dealing with kind-of trees, that terminology seems a bit contrived. And having "child" in my code without a very good justification is a no for me
 
At least it's trees and not threads, because in the latter you often need to terminate the child.
 
What about sub-branch? As in the sub-branch of branch?
I already starred one Kevin. But this one made me laugh uproariously.
 
I didn't know sub-branch was a recognized word
 
I was a philosophy major. We're officially licensed to invent words.
 
I think you should call children "bicycles" and parents "sheds".
 
Andras had a suggestion that i kinda liked, re Ascendant Descendant
 
@malan I wasn't being sarcastic FWIW :P
 
We should probably steer clear of words with hyphens in them
 
however, i dont see why child has to mean trees. i mean, child should imply...well, children before anything related to trees
 
@malan hey, I guess I'm a philosopher too
 
6:21 PM
What is the context of this name choice? A tutorial?
 
Personal, but open-source project. Context is parsing hierarchical names like "section.subsection.subsubsection", except "section" doesn't really fit there
 
I cast my ballot into the urn of "child and parent is fine terminology, really", but if I happen to invent something better, I'll let you know
 
Why does "child" necessarily imply "human child"? Living entities were reproducing long before humans existed.
 
We're an egocentric species :>
 
Wikipedia uses parent/child in it's Tree (data structure) article.
And node*
@PM2Ring But they weren't called children. They were called 'Bark' and 'Grrr'.
Maybe even 'oink'
 
6:29 PM
how about foo and bar. stupid grin
 
FUBAR could only have been invented by humans
qux is obviously alien in origin, though
 
It goes past baz!?
 
@malan trees have bark, it checks out.
 
Only by the grace of the reptilians of Proxima B
 
@AndrasDeak woof
 
6:34 PM
@malan How about node & nodelet? :D
 
I like it.
 
7:30 PM
for those who missed it some insight would help with untangling possible dupe scenarios surrounding this post:
yesterday, by Mark Amery
Interesting ongoing discussion / argument about the curation / moderation of this post (and its two possible duplicate targets) is ongoing in its comment thread: https://stackoverflow.com/q/32680081/1709587. Some folks here might wish to opine there.
 
Oops, I inadvertently answered a question in a comment. I have become that which I am rustled by.
 
shaaaame
 
At least I don't have to do the "should I make a complete answer now?" routine, since someone already answered with "as Kevin points out..."
 
high road
Not that high though.
 
I usually aim for half-answering questions in a comment, in the hopes that the OP has a working light bulb that just isn't fastened tightly enough. Some OPs only have potatoes.
4
 
7:33 PM
that's half a battery right there
20k: unhelpful answer. I bountied the question and it seems to me that the answer doesn't add anything new to OP's non-working code (the added .close() inside the context manager should be a no-op). stackoverflow.com/a/54285790/5067311
 
8:00 PM
@AndrasDeak Gone.
 
thanks
 
Can negative scored answers recieve bounties?
 
I think so
 
My guess is "manual bounties yes, automatic no"
 
^
needs +2 score for auto-bounty
 
8:11 PM
Thanks. Yes, I was referring to automatic bounties.
 
Last weekend I was in a situation where I urgently needed to draw a horse, and the result was just as bad as the time one year ago when I drew an ugly horse. I worry about what this portends for 2019.
 
wim
anyway to prevent the automatic award when there was no satisfactory answer posted?
 
If the horse quality graph is flat over time, maybe I can't expect any of my other quality of life indicators to rise.
 
wim
once I had that issue (had a bounty offered and there was one that got upvoted but it wasn't actually right).
 
I don't think you can stop the automatic award.
There's no obvious loopholes on the help center page
Other than, I suppose, downvoting all the answers to below +2
 
8:27 PM
Fleshing out comments in answers is the most banal way to wh*re rep
 
In the case of the user that fleshed out my comment, it wasn't a particularly good attempt. He replicated my explanation of why the OP's code was broken, but then recommended a roundabout way to fix it.
 
had to jump back to a set of nose-based code and just learned about assertLogs
yammin' fantastic!
never noticed it until now: docs.python.org/3/library/…
Works really well when you have some complex logging shenanigans happening across your platform and you want to test things are happening as expected.
 
os.chdir is like the axe you keep over your fireplace. It works, but it's the only thing to remember your grandfather by, so you better think carefully before taking it down from the mantle.
The handle is smooth and a deep polished red. Geepaw was an adventurous youth. Not all of his tales were heroic. You wonder. Was it red when he first crafted it? Or is it stained by the sins of a past best left uninspected?
 
8:49 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
pandas people - maybe you could weigh in on meta.stackoverflow.com/q/379244/1709587? The pandas tag has guidance that all pandas questions should also be tagged dataframe or series, and a suggested editor was making edits in bulk to make this so. Is this useful, or noise? Someone familiar with the tag (and why that tagging rule exists, which seems rather odd to me) would be better equipped to judge.
 
Ambivalence is probably the best course of action, you decide. There isn't much time for brooding in your study, anyway -- the dinner party is about to begin. You finish your brandy and leave the study, the light of the dwindling embers reflecting off the axe's still-sharp edge.
 

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