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2:05 PM
Plus, since the IEEE Spectrum article naming Python as the new #1 language, we will see more green beans wanting help with <incredibly complicated project> after skimming the first chapter of <book promising to teach advanced Python to newbies in incredibly short time>
 
“the new #1 language” wut
from which year is that article?
 
wuut
That’s a bit surprising.
 
Isn't Python, like, old enough to drink by now
 
cbg I'm on a choo choo train
CHOO CHOO
 
2:08 PM
Or hang on are we making a distinction between "new #1 language" and "#1 new language"
 
yeah
 
there's a lot of hype for python recently
 
Let's all switch to Fortran.
 
or COBOL
 
@marxin why?
 
2:11 PM
thats my subjective feeling
like it got much more popular recently
 
I certainly see more talk about Python in here than any other language.
 
this is what I mean
its python all around
pyton at work, python at home, python here
 
cbg
 
cbg
 
@marxin or, you are just so good at your job you can hang out here and work??
 
DSM
2:15 PM
Cabbage for all.
 
Cabbage
 
@enderland yeah lets stick to that :-)
 
@Kevin nice.
 
cbg \o
@idjaw cbg, where's the destination?
 
your neck of the woods. Going to a concert
 
2:20 PM
Hey @Kevin That Koch curve code was lifted from an 8 year old question. Two and a half minutes after it got dupe-linked to the old question the OP self-deleted. :)
 
I feel some satisfaction in that.
 
we're almost to questions on SO being a decade old... man
 
> asked Jul 31 '08 at 21:26
6 days for 9 years.
 
what is this cabbage you guys speak of
 
It's our way of testing how thoroughly people read the room rules page. ;)
 
2:30 PM
one of the best uses of cabbage
 
Don't teach Kevin about cabbage, because then I'll have to forget about it in order to retain the cosmic balance
 
stop speaking in third person Kevin
 
DSM
Cabbage is for greeting, not for eating.
 
We need to stop educating this Kevin
the timelines will start to converge.
This is very dangerous
 
there are twoo many kevin's here :o
 
2:34 PM
you're gonna have to get the garlic if you want me out
 
in room 6 garlic has a different use
but I'm glad you told us your kryptonite.....fool.
Moo Moo. Get the garlic cannon.
 
uhhh, that's why i used it in that context. lol
 
I think that for practical reasons and SO chat limitations you should change your nickname
to Kevin McCallister
 
LOL
And don't do Kevin M
 
Maybe we can say “italics Kevin” and “regular Kevin”?
 
2:37 PM
Because we have that one already
at what point do we add it to the site rules that the next Kevin has to change their name
 
DSM
Ha! I earned the group-by badge, even though I shouldn't have, because in almost every question it was used incorrectly (the tag is for the SQL command but people used it to refer to the pandas method.)
 
btw its sad that you cant mention particular Kevin
 
or “emphasized Kevin” and “plain Kevin”
 
For the problem of pings, you could all exclusively use direct replies instead of general ats.
 
DSM
2:38 PM
Ehh, that's no fun.
 
Registration to room/6 is currently closed for all Kevins.
 
@PM2Ring I'm amused you commented on that and not "twoo" :P
 
@poke How about "RO Kevin"?
 
or ROK in short
 
Admittedly it does lead to some practical problems, such as "why are you replying to my eight hour old message about Tkinter with 'read any good books lately?'?"
 
2:40 PM
@enderland I just treated that as a humorous combination of "too" and "two".
 
I feel like literally every time I go to ask a question on SO, I think of the solution before I finish typing the title
 
@corvid rubber ducking!
 
My two favourite names:

theodore logan and bill s. preston esquire
I need to figure out how to incorporate those names in my life
 
@poke I think of this for "ROK"
 
DSM
@idjaw: only the "esquire" there let me get that one. :-)
 
2:43 PM
@DSM :)
 
lol
 
Plenty of opportunities for no-context references to things when creating dummy data for example programs. I use the number 42 like three times a day this way.
 
I used to use 1729 but someone said it wasn't a very interesting number
 
why only 3 times? Why not 42 times?
 
DSM
@PaulMcG: :-P
 
2:46 PM
@idjaw How do you feel about Stirling Mortlock? An old friend of mine once commented that with a name like that, he was fated to become a Rugby player. :)
 
Hmm. Wanted: Lookup service to get interesting mathematical properties about a given natural number.
 
@PM2Ring If I was playing any sport, and an opposing player had the name Stirling, they won the intimidation game.
 
didn't like my avatar anyways...
 
@idjaw we should get a bite or a drink :D
 
@PaulMcG Not only is it the smallest positive number that can be written as the sum of two integer cubes in two different ways, it's also the smallest Carmichael number.
 
DSM
2:48 PM
"Stirling Mortlock" sounds like the name of our protagonist's rival in a different fraternity at the Academy. He's kind of stuck up and arrogant, but not fundamentally mean-spirited, and eventually he's won over by our hero's plucky determination and helps out in the third act.
 
On another note, I found a Japanese restaurant that offers unlimited cabbages with your meal.
 
hmmm I need a jira avatar
 
@enderland Like this?
 
@poke ... an avatar for jira. such pedants here ;-)
 
@enderland Like this??
:DD
 
2:53 PM
@poke I might use that one, lol
 
I also like the ghost
It’s so cute
 
@MooingRawr The thought crossed my mind. Unfortunately, stay is so short here, that it would not work out. If I was here longer, I would have scheduled a room6 LargeCanadianCity meetup. :)
 
and happy
@PM2Ring Good Lord
 
we don't have the koala thing
 
DSM
2:54 PM
Almost everyone at NumberFirm uses their staff ID card digital picture as their JIRA avatar. Other people use the default no-image image. I use a cat with a tilted head, because I'm just. that. cool. B-)
 
I use my real picture for all my avatars
<- this one
it allows people to easily identify me
 
@DSM Well, you’re also a rectangular blue James Bond intro aperture. So I’m not surprised.
 
DSM
Not all of us are lucky enough to look like a model. #ambiguity
 
I prefer to make myself identifiable purely through my distinctive incomprehensible prose.
 
also @poke I think you unintentionally linked your company in those links
you can probably delete them since you are a room owner and iirc that lets you delete older messages?
 
2:58 PM
If there's a delete option, I haven't seen it.
 
I've not been a regular room owner for so many years I forget what the options are
 
Unfortunately, perma-delete I think is only allowed for community mods.
Even then, I think that might be limited. I'm not sure.
 
nah, you can delete anything as a moderator
 
The RO powers are: Kick user, move message, margarita delivery via drone
9
siiiiiiiiip
 
3:00 PM
> 1729 is the natural number following 1728 and preceding 1730
THANKS WIKIPEDIA FOR THAT
 
^^ TIL
 
Wikipedia's annual donation drive is needed primarily because they're trying to make individual articles for every integer
 
@PaulMcG Yeah. Oops. It's the 3rd Carmichael number. But it's the first absolute Euler pseudoprime. I knew I should've checked first... :)
 
user image
9
 
I can see 5 starred messages (display limit :/ ) and all of them are from Kevin (last one is from Kevin M Granger).
 
3:01 PM
^ @DSM
@enderland Only if Google is my company.
 
@poke lol :D
 
@poke oh.. :P
 
what did I miss?
 
omg...DSM, how can you not take that avatar now
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interesting_number_paradox indicates that they're up to 254 now.
 
3:02 PM
RO vote. All in favour to move forward with the motion of DSM adopting a new avatar, say AYE
all those opposed, please let me know so I remove you as a RO
 
@AndrasDeak The bond image was referring to this chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/38310133#38310133
 
@idjaw AYE
 
I'm pretty sure self-determination of avatar is in the Bill of Rights. I can't in good conscience participate in this vote.
 
@AshishNitinPatil yeah thanks I've found them since
 
@poke I'm tempted to use that as my jira avatar lol!
 
3:04 PM
Hi there! It is me again having trouble with classes... ;) This time I create two instances of a class inside a parent class. The parent class has a list of starting values for calculations in the instances inside. and when one instance of the instances of the class finishes calculations, let's just say res=5*starting_val, then the result is the starting value of the calculation of the second instance
 
Do I really need to pull a tantrum and stomp my fight to get my way here?
 
is there some way of pointing to that list of starting values from inside the instances?
so that changes automatically get passed to the calculations inside the instances?
 
can you post your code
 
Sounds like poor design, but yes, just tell the children about the parent.
 
and if it is long please use pastebin.
 
3:07 PM
enderland: I currently try to think of some way to code it, but I m not sure where to start
 
@davidism great parenting advice! :D
 
xD
 
@Scotty1- just start. Get it working. Then refactor
don't spend too much time trying to think of the perfect way to do it from the get go
you won't get anything done like that
just start solving the problem
 
ok, I ll give it a try and come back in a few minutes with some code
 
you will learn far more by trying, struggling, and then asking for advice/help than you will by getting someone to write it for you
 
3:08 PM
Guys , Having trouble trying to insert a zip file into a table using SQL Alchemy
 
@Anarach We know. You promised you would give us an error message. That was two hours ago.
 
enderland: i already have some code, but I have no idea where to start storing the values
I ll complete it to a point where I am stuck and post it
 
Hi, can anyone suggest me what should I name a class which has pandas.DataFrame and some metadata.
 
@Kevin savour the debugging experience
 
3:10 PM
@AndrasDeak pew pew
 
thanks
 
screenshots = RESULTS_K + "Screenshots.zip"
test=open(screenshots,'r')
Testreulsts_insert = Testresults(Exec_Id=Task_id,Test_Artifacts=test)
 
wasn't me, but someone got it :P I dont' have enough rep on SO yet..
 
@varunsinghal class PandasDataFrameWithSomeMetaData:
 
Man I'm snippy today, I wish it were socially acceptable to lie down at work so I could go lie down
 
3:10 PM
@enderland wasn't talking to you :P
 
Error is :sqlalchemy.exc.StatementError: (builtins.TypeError) memoryview: a bytes-like object is required, not '_io.TextIOWrapper'
 
@Kevin you're not snippy here as far as I can tell
 
@Anarach You should put the file contents into the file, not a file handle. So read() the file first.
 
I just want to insert a zip file in table
 
next thing: i m trying to fill a dict from a list of keys and a list of values. is there another way than list comprehension?
 
3:12 PM
@idjaw Thanks for the name, however since I will be giving to client side, a smaller name would be easier to use. I may be wrong.
 
@Scotty1- dict(zip(keys,vals))?
 
@poke so , screenshots.read()?
 
@Scotty1- dict comprehension? :P
 
@varunsinghal I was kidding...
 
@Anarach test is the file handle, since you opened the file with the filename stored in screenshots.
 
3:12 PM
ehm... yeah thanks alot :D
 
@poke Ok I did this and got a new error
 
new error = progress
 
screenshots = RESULTS_K + "Screenshots.zip"
test=open(screenshots,'r')
que=test.read()
Testreulsts_insert = Testresults(Exec_Id=Task_id,Test_Artifacts=que)
UnicodeDecodeError: 'charmap' codec can't decode byte 0x90 in position 69: character maps to <undefined>
 
irrelevant for now but your next error will be a NameError for Testresults_insert
 
jjj
cabbage
 
3:15 PM
cbg
 
What is Testresults? What does it do? Also, what’s the stack trace of that error?
 
DSM
Looks to me like you're reading a string for something expecting bytes.
 
the previous error also complained about expecting bytes
 
@DSM (I fear sql injection)
 
jjj
Can someone suggest how to start debugging permission errors in jupyter on windows?
 
3:16 PM
You won't want to open that zip file with 'r' mode, will have to be 'rb' (binary)
 
It suddenly got very garlicky.
 
@davidism I always was
 
DSM
The second error is because it's getting a string, it's trying to convert it into bytes, but since it's not actually a unicode string the decode is failing.
 
@poke Testresults is a database Table class
 
I made amazing tsaziki the other day with tons of garlic in it
 
3:17 PM
0 to garlic in less than a minute.
 
it was delicious
@davidism dude...you had the perfect opportunity
garlic in sixty seconds
 
:-|
 
DSM
I don't mind tzatziki but I almost never ask for it on anything.
 
@PaulMcG Hey, I tried this and this time yet a new error
ValueError: binary mode doesn't take an encoding argument
 
it's the best for gyros, sometimes even for schnitzel
I admit the latter is weird
 
3:18 PM
either in a pita or on the side to dip
 
Oh wait
OMG
 
I would happily sit down with a bowl of tzatziki and eat it with a spoon.
 
jjj
Hey, I know tzatziki is much sexier than jupyter + windows, but not even pointer? Pretty please.. I dont use windows so its hard for me :/
 
it worked
 
@MorganThrapp :)
 
3:19 PM
@PaulMcG Thank you sir :-P
 
using this as my avy. sorry @poke :(
 
@jjj I would start by checking file permissions
 
bonus points if anyone recognizes taht
 
oh oh. It's an airplane!
 
@Anarach yw
 
jjj
3:20 PM
@AndrasDeak thanks, this actually gave me an idea
 
awesome
 
Is that 'yw' the sound you make when someone wakes you from your slumber @PaulMcG
 
@idjaw (troll)
 
Dang, I thought I had tape over that webcam!
 
@enderland :D
 
DSM
@enderland: feels WW2-era but my plane-fu is weak.
 
@DSM it is WW2 era, F4F Wildcat
 
the only plane I know by name is spitfire and this is not that because I googled
 
DSM
I remember the Sopwith Camel 'cause of Snoopy.
 
@AndrasDeak that was my first choice actually for what to put as an avy but I couldn't find a good square image and... meh
 
3:23 PM
Sopwith Camel had two of those wing thingies
 
@enderland avy as in aviation-related image?
 
@AndrasDeak jira avatar. these things are important you know
 
Any Linkin Park fans here
 
that sort of reminds me: I was told today that university peopleses are entitled to a few private github repos. I haven't heard this before, and I need to investigate
 
Horrible week
 
3:25 PM
5
Q: Duplicate topics in Python documentation

Sun QingyaoIn Python documentation, we have two topics on list comprehension: List comprehensions (8 examples) List Comprehensions (5 examples) Both have received hundreds of upvotes. How should we handle this? By the way, this issue should have been solved when the topics are created, before it become...

The joys of Documentation.
 
@Anarach Yes
@AndrasDeak let us know
 
@enderland Missed opportunity there, Sir.
 
The joys of logging, my current notes on why fixing Flask's logging is awful.
 
@davidism s/joys/pains
@poke lol!
 
@DSM But not Biggles? Wow. Now I feel old...
 
DSM
3:30 PM
@poke: wow, you're on artistic fire today!
 
It’s such a terrible day.
 
jjj
cbg
 
@poke :( sorry.
 
I’m so unproductive (ignoring these awesome graphic creations)
 
jjj
3:32 PM
@poke do you need a panda hug?
 
If you want to vent, feel free to ping me in the next realm
 
@idjaw the next realm.... :o
 
he wants to help but only in kingdom come
 
@idjaw Don’t worry, I’m just not getting anything done today. It’s crazy. I should just head home..
 
DSM
3:33 PM
Aww, that's too bad. I thought the worst thing that was going to happen today was that the Kendrick Lamar concert was cancelled, but I guess other people have problems too!
 
@poke I had that last week. I just could not get things done and was very distracted. I think with the small midweek break I'm taking for this quick getaway, it will help reset things.
 
alternatively, being away will make you long for FREEEEEEEEDOOOOOMMMMMMMMM and make everything worse?
 
I did have a day off yesterday, so it’s not like I didn’t get any change… ^^"
 
> Tip: Unlimited private repositories are free for verified students, teachers, and academic researchers. For more information, see our education page.
 
recbg
 
DSM
@poke: weren't you having a frustrating day the other week? Midsummer doesn't seem like it's going too smoothly.
 
Frustrating weeks sounds accurate
>_<" xD
 
jjj
Im gonna put this here, maybe someone wants a hug anyway
 
@jjj Very cute, but technically, that’s more of a fox hug?
 
if you were on Exercise 1/3, Set 4/4, and you press the right-arrow next to the set, would you expect it to wrap back to 1/3 1/4, or move onward to 2/3 1/4?
 
3:39 PM
I'd say the latter, without knowing further context
 
DSM
Likewise.
 
unless it's typical to keep looping within a given exercise
 
jjj
@poke true, but you know, cute :)
 
(the context can be seen here)
 
definitely 2/3 1/4
 
3:41 PM
I think so, yes
then you can automatically keep pressing that arrow as you progress
 
right
 
alternatively make buttons that make it more clear, "next set" and "repeat set" or something
 
"set set" if you want to input a manual ordinal
 
DSM
Yeah, there aren't many cases where I want the behaviour of one of those combination locks to apply when I want to move within a hierarchical system.
 
stackoverflow.com/q/45307820 typo (took out db connection and made it an argument for no apparent reason)
Is the database well configured on the flask app?? Can you query it in the flask app??? Let me know!!! I'm preparing the answer — Espoir Murhabazi 3 mins ago
also, lol, this user is really excited to answer
no clue what their answer will be given their question
 
3:46 PM
at least it will be enthusiastically given
 
If their answer is missing any excessive exclamation marks I'm downvoting.
 
Based on the edit, now it should be closed as needing an MCVE.
And now they introduced a syntax error. It's like they're not paying attention.
 
musical close reasons
 
DSM
A clever move. One's opponents will get caught up arguing with each other!
 
still needs two votes
 
3:52 PM
I wasn't sold on the typo but a syntax error is good enough for me
 
Well, they fixed the syntax error but it still needs an MCVE.
 
@DSM especially since you can't change your close vote reason
 
there is still a syntax error
 
@AnttiHaapala I checked the browser console and I got: ReferenceError: $SCRIPT_ROOT is not defined — Sarah 28 secs ago
umm.
 
3:59 PM
Yeah, they just don't have a good grasp of their problem or code.
I'm done with that question.
 

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