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12:19 AM
Anybody else see job recommendations in their profile? If it's A/B testing, where can I tell them that up theirs?
not to mention java job with 6 java score
 
who here knows something about pymysql
 
If you have a question, just ask it and if someone knows how to help, they will. Better yet, just post a question on Stack Overflow.
 
yeah was quick fix but already fixed :)
 
@AndrasDeak Yes, I am.
 
found it since on MSO, thanks
it seems to be a bug
people who haven't touched any job-related settings in their profile also get the job offers, but they shouldn't (allegedly)
 
12:26 AM
what bug?
 
@Hynes can confirm: I've never even gone near job stuff on SO, and I got spammed by these job offers. Please don't. — Andras Deak 4 mins ago
 
I really should take advantage of that when I start looking for a new job in the near future.
 
 
1 hour later…
1:52 AM
recbg
anyone alive?
 
2:29 AM
maybe
 
 
1 hour later…
3:34 AM
ugh
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Q: Placing operators inside of lists in Python 3

Z MonkI would like to place operators as a list and then call an element from the list to use as an operator. If I don't place quotations around the operators, then I get a syntax error for the commas inside of the list: File "p22.py", line 24 cat = [+,-,*] ^ SyntaxError: invalid s...

the yamming eval answer was accepted!!!
EVAL!!!
what the holy hell yammin yammery yamsalot
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3:46 AM
at least they are both aware that it is bad and all that. Just seeing a green checkmark next to an eval answer is....sad.
 
 
3 hours later…
6:48 AM
@idjaw sovling the XY problem by XY
 
 
2 hours later…
9:14 AM
cbg
 
9:36 AM
cbg
 
cbg
 
 
1 hour later…
10:58 AM
Cabbage
 
11:17 AM
cbg
 
01100011 01100010 01100111
 
@ZMonk please try the upvoted answer, and if it works, please consider marking that one as accepted. Accepts are explicitly the sole subjective decision of askers, but in this exceptional case we need to consider future readers. A newbie trying to implement a calculator might read these operators from input, in which case eval would be unsafe. Accepted answers are pinned on top even if they are wrong/dangerous. Please consider this (after which you're free to stand by your choice, of course:) — Andras Deak 1 min ago
 
11:49 AM
hello
 
hii :)
 
How are you?
 
12:08 PM
When Using Tkinter how do you make a message box? Because when I Googled it it came up with tkMessageBox.showinfo("Say Hello", "Hello World") but this doesn't work it comes up with an error message
 
cbg
@AndrasDeak 😀
 
cbg
 
@Jake Have you tried this?
 
@khajvah I don't know actually. They are making a calculator program taking the operator as input. The two easy ways I see using the appropriate operator is dictionary or a dirty set of conditionals.
 
12:17 PM
cbg
 
12:29 PM
@idjaw yes
 
@Rawing uuuuugh......I want to thank you for sharing but at the same time this is now occupying too much of my time
 
@idjaw once you reach the harder levels it'll be easier to take a break from the game :p
 
@Jake "it comes up with an error message" is never sufficient, see also what an MCVE is and How to Ask. Most python errors are quite informative (don't know whether for tkinter as well)
 
Absolutely! Tkinter tells you exactly what went wrong: invalid command name "1870984callit" Helpful, isn't it?
 
Heh, yam you too, tkinter
 
12:50 PM
morning everyone
y'all should buy Rise of the Tomb Raider from steam if you haven't already
 
It's such an amazing game
I second picking it up if you haven't already.
 
it's 60% off right now so only like $20, and I want people to buy it so that studio will continue making top-tier games
 
Oh yeah. AAA dev studios are starting to decline in quality.
 
Is it a puzzle game? :P
 
The tombs are usually puzzles, they usually are pretty easy though
 
1:03 PM
It's very interesting how they made it a non-overwhelming open world.
Enough checkpoints to travel to different points you have travelled to, to revisit old areas and finish certain tombs you couldn't access before.
Even accessing those tombs can sometimes be a puzzle in itself.
it's a very well made game
 
yeah, you can play through story alone and it's tons of fun, but there's lots of side missions and puzzles
 
I told myself I was going to only play the main story...and then I ended up doing the side quests
 
@idjaw They have been relaxing too much on their AAA status
 
@poke Absolutely. Also rolling out way too quickly.
 
I'm reading flask.pocoo.org/docs/0.12/appcontext/#app-context and I'm having difficulty parsing this sentence: "The application setup state in which the application implicitly is on the module level"
Is there a missing word? I think there might be a missing word.
Noun clause: The application setup state, in which the application implicitly (does something???),
verb clause: ... is on the module level.
 
1:14 PM
I'm trying to figure out how an application is implicitly at the module level
I can't picture what that means
 
Or does it mean "The application state, in which the application is on the module level implicitly"? I ignored that possibility initially because there's no verb clause which makes it a sentence fragment.
 
@Kevin I think there is a colon missing in front of it
> […] there are two different “states” in which code is executed: The application setup state in which the application implicitly is on the module level.
 
wait....we can solve this by pinging the flasky-one
 
But in general, yes, those paragraphs are weird
 
@davidism rise young warrior....riiiiiiise ^^
 
1:15 PM
I cannot tell which the second state is
 
Yeah, I was just about to say, with a colon then a noun-only clause makes more sense
 
and later it says there is a third…
 
I think the second state is implicitly referred to in the sentence "In contrast, during request handling, a couple of other rules exist:"
so "request handling" is the second state...? Maybe?
 
I would rather see something like
> […] there are two different “states” in which code is executed: The application setup state, and the request state. The application setup state is the state in which the application implicitly is on the module level. Blablabla
 
That would be nice.
 
1:18 PM
Where’s the github link?
 
Let's see...
 
Found it but it’s very different and so much better:
 
[status-completed]
 
Okay, fine, I won't help you then. Self-deleted while I try to explain carefully where their mistake with digits vs. characters lies.
 
Oh, look, our work has already been done: github.com/pallets/flask/pull/1887
 
1:20 PM
@MartijnPieters I for one welcome my cupcake-self! 😛
 
Why isn’t this deployed yet?! :D :D :D /cc @davidism
 
@idjaw different user. Self-deleted their account. Not sure why.
 
I have mixed feelings about this. My opinion has been validated but the value of our brainstorming session was made redundant three weeks ago.
 
Sorry Kevin
 
Oh well. Being told I'm right is more important than doing productive work.
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1:25 PM
cbg
 
Oh, that person is asking questions again. That's an interesting system, asking questions at a rate of 10 per hour. Apparently successful too, seeing how they have 20k rep and 1 answer.
 
@poke it should be in the dev docs
I have a draft of an even bigger rewrite of that page
 
Oh yes, you’re right. flask.pocoo.org/docs/dev/appcontext @Kevin
 
Would you like a 5 year gold badge
https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/274392/192821
?
 
Ah, OK.
 
2:00 PM
@EduardFlorinescu meh
 
Other people getting gold badges mean that my gold will be worth less by comparison. I'm in favor of any policy that lets me pull up the ladder after me.
 
Then you should go after Famous Question's badge :D
 
Moar badges, ... precious
[cringing and hoarding gestures]
 
DSM
Friday cabbage for all.
 
Cbg bud, hope you stayed dry.
 
DSM
2:13 PM
I had an umbrella with me and didn't open it because there wasn't much rain, and then it started up again as I was reaching the station and I didn't want to open it so close, but then I looked very silly getting drenched while holding an umbrella. Not my finest moment.
 
Cbg all.
 
cbg
 
I have returned
 
@DSM how are you! :)
 
cbg
 
2:20 PM
o/
 
Whenever it rains on a windy day I have to weigh my desire to stay dry against the likelihood that my umbrella will blow away as soon as I open it. Doesn't help that the gaps between buildings here make effective funnels for amplifying gusts.
 
hello
 
how can I forward a signature such as def __init__(self, *, a, b, c, d): to a derived's class super().__init__()?
(disclaimer: I have no idea what * is and how it works)
 
2:29 PM
what's the * mean? I am a curious
 
that's supposedly something from 3.5
 
56
Q: Python bare asterisk in function argument

EricWhat does a bare asterisk in the arguments of a function do? When I looked at the pickle module, I see this: (http://docs.python.org/3.3/library/pickle.html#pickle.dump) pickle.dump(obj, file, protocol=None, *, fix_imports=True) I know about a single and double asterisks preceding arguments (...

 
anyway my question was phrased badly - what I want is to make a derived class that does some additional operations in __init__ but still keeps the same ctor interface
 
sounds like a C++ programmer?
 
When I want to mimic parameter lists that don't have naked asterisks, I do:
class DerivedClass(ParentClass):
    def __init__(self, *args, **kargs):
        #do stuff here
        ParentClass.__init__(self, *args, **kargs)
 
2:32 PM
@Kevin yup, that's what I'd expect
 
Having never used a naked asterisk before, at all, I have no idea if this is still possible in your situation.
 
is *args basically the same as javascript's rest/spread? Forgot
 
Also you should not follow my example of using ParentClass explicitly. I should be using super but I couldn't remember if I need to supply self to it explicitly or not.
@corvid Having used js' spread twice ever, I definitely notice a similarity.
 
@Kevin right
@Kevin maybe I just have to iterate all kwargs manually
as in super.__init__(a=a, b=b) etc
 
DSM
Sorry, meeting -- but yeah, that should work.
 
2:37 PM
nice! I'll try it out
 
There we go. You don't explicitly supply self.
 
Fun fact: I think Ideone compiles Python code in optimized mode
 
DSM
Wow!
 
:-|
Ok, edited to work around that little peculiarity.
Same outcome tho
@BartekBanachewicz TL;DR: you don't have to iterate all kwargs manually.
 
I learned this the hard way, after I spent ~30 minutes successfully golfing my incorrect code :c
 
2:42 PM
@Kevin I'm wondering... shouldn't your code have (self, *, **kwargs) in the derived class (if it's to keep the same signature)? I mean that it should reject unnamed args just like the base class does.
 
TIL python has a -O mode... interesting.
 
Well if you try obj = DerivedClass(23, y=42) it will still crash because you're using an unnamed arg. The error message isn't as descriptive, but the outcome is the same
 
@Kevin I see
 
Or, actually, no, the error message is identical. TypeError: __init__() takes 1 positional argument but 2 positional arguments (and 1 keyword-only argument) were given
The stack trace is arguably slightly misleading though since it points at super().__init__(*args, **kargs) when obj = DerivedClass(23, y=42) is the problem. But that's splitting hairs
 
for some reason IntelliJ doesn't like that definition :F
but maybe it's just being silly there
 
3:07 PM
> I'm using python selenium to make a webservice when it's called will execute some instructions to a page
Using Flask to run a webservice that runs Selenium. Interesting.
 
@BartekBanachewicz multiple inheritance...
if you ever need to use multiple inheritance + calliing super with such, you're screwed :(
 
@poke some payment websites are doing it when bank doesn't support embedded payments ;)
they ask you for id and password and then bot logins to your account and make transfer
however I dont know if they use selenium for this task
 
@marxin How is this not sketchy ?
 
sketchy?
 
Agreed, that sounds like a terrible idea
 
3:21 PM
yeah it is
 
I’m not giving anyone my bank passwords
 
paypal was doing the same thing for account verification
 
I'm not giving anyone any of my passwords unless it's directly tied to the service that I signed up with...
 
but they got bullied as far I remember and they are not doing it anymore
 
They didn’t do that for me.
 
3:22 PM
They didn't do it for me about a few years ago when I signed up
 
yeah...this is why I never used mint
 
PayPal verfied my bank account by simply attempting to send two cents to it.
 
I was sure most of what they were doing was not hitting valid API's for those banks, and they were probably storing your personal info in order to literally log in for you on the website, using something like selenium
 
Im not sure under what circumstances they were asking about it
but they did for some people, google if you are interested
 
What happens when the Bank's site rolls out with a new update with new html layouts or what not? Guess you are screwed.. Oh well if it was using Selenium it would just error out on not being able to find the elements (not as bad as miss clicking things)
 
3:24 PM
recently one payment website was doing the same (i dont remember the name) and they were asking for the login and password, having small disclaimer at the bottom that the client should double check if his bank allows him to share the password :D
ah, monedo it was
I was reading that its not as rare as you might expect
 
Such a company would be destroyed here in Germany.
 
@poke I was reading that some companies in germany are doing the same
 
@poke they took it from mine D:
 
let me try to find them
 
you better tell poke about them so he can take them down
 
3:29 PM
@AndrasDeak But did they give it back?
 
of course
I'm not even sure they took it
I love paypal
 
On a different note, I think I just made an OP angry by posting one of our wiki comment post asking OP to provide what they've tried. Since after OP had gained -4 on the question and my comment got +2, OP deleted the question and I noticed one of my question that I answered a few months ago got a downvote lol... Or it might just be completely a coincident... Oh well... I don't really care about the -2 but sometimes I wish we can see who downvoted (but I know this idea is a bad idea :D)
 
amazon should bend over and support it, ebay or not
 
Paypal, from what I read on random online boards, might have been doing some shady things when it first started up. But I still use their services to buy stuff overseas.
 
@poke Sofort does it, its german company
 
3:39 PM
cbg!
 
cbg
 
cbg
@idjaw do you have a bot idle for cbg responds? You cbg that cbg so yamming fast.... Or were you recbging and just made it seem like you were cbging the cbg.
 
hahahahah
 
wim
@idjaw IIRC 3 (or 5?) high rep users can delete accepted answers
 
yup
 
3:41 PM
Cabbage
 
cbg
 
DSM
Cabbage for PM2R! We've been keeping different schedules lately.
 
wim
I just casted the first stone ... stackoverflow.com/a/44712600/674039
 
@MooingRawr there are no coincidences when it comes to rogue downvotes on inactive posts
 
@MooingRawr Does that OP have rep >= 125? If not, they can't downvote.
 
3:42 PM
@PM2Ring cbg long time no see
@PM2Ring OP was 1k+ rep but not in Python
 
@MooingRawr I'm half cabbage. It just comes out
 
@idjaw <3 I love your cbg though, so sweet
 
@AndrasDeak errr... I knew this day would come when my need to comment with copy-paste answers :\ Oh well....
 
@MooingRawr Ah. Then there's a very good chance they were the downvoter.
 
3:43 PM
@wim and I had an answer there too..lol
 
@PM2Ring Oh well... gotta move on with it, how are you doing ?
 
@idjaw the criminal mastermind
 
@wim forgot about that comment exchange on my answer.
 
@MooingRawr I've been busy for a couple of days messing around with some of my old Game of Life stuff, mostly updating some of my Golly Python scripts.
 
3:45 PM
wow that was quick!
 
Did we get the eval answer from yesterday deleted?
 
friends don't let friends eval
5
 
@davidism yup
 
DSM
Knowing that I sometimes use eval makes me feel like such a rebel now. B-)
 
I love how that OP tries to defend eval and tries so hard to justify it within David's comments chain...
 
3:47 PM
@davidism although "eval answer from yesterday" can refer to multiple things...
 
idjaw was having a comment debate on an eval answer. Can't find it.
 
there's the on you guys just deleted, and I downvoted another one which I can thus find in a sec
 
@PM2Ring Sorry to pry and don't need to comment on anything, but I do hope you sorted out your job issue and that band issue
 
wim
it's my second-to-last chat
 
@davidism found it
 
wim
Zach\'s Tutorifier! <3
 
I like the name 😛
it's cute
 
wim
> i've got three -1 before even finishing editing, this community care more about downvoting
this is the biggest pitfall of using eval .... LMAO
 
I only downvote eval when there are safe and idiomatic alternatives which is always.
 
@davidism why? it wasn't accepted, it covers literal_eval, too, and the question is a delete-able duplicate
 
3:53 PM
(in terms of SO questions, that is)
 
The other ones cover literal eval also, they just added that after the fact. The only difference is using map instead of a comprehension.
 
I thought you gonna say
 
You can also delv the question, that's fine too.
 
"im a simple man, i see eval, I downvote"
 
wim
imo there is no reason to delete eval answers if they aren't the accepted answer
just downvote them
 
3:54 PM
I wish SO supported animated avatars, because I want wim's avatar to be the bouncy badger
 
wim
a heavily downvoted answer actually provides useful information
meta-information .. :)
 
@wim sure thing
 
@idjaw I want his to be that badger dance from the 'badger badger badger badger mushroom mushroom' song
 
wim
you can see the badger dance on profile page
 
@wim But if social media has taught me anything, it's okie to be lazy and demand results where you don't need to put any effort into :D
So therefore I would request the same thing as Idjaw, so I can see you dance in this chatroom so I don't have to click into your profile.
 
DSM
3:56 PM
 
^ d'awww look at the little paw :D I wonder if that's how wim looks like trying to get over a problem like monday or eval
 
wim
LOL
 
DSM
I just merged the branch I've been working on for six months into dev, so today's looking up.
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Friday Pineapples to you @DSM
 
lol at picturing wim as a coding badger
hehe
if I were good at drawing I'd draw a little badger at a computer
 
3:59 PM
> Wim trying to get over a branch to merge back :D
 
but...I'll just have to picture it in my head
 
Are you going to give it a top hat and a monocle ? or maybe a toque and a stick?
 
wim
 
hmm...good question. I think the natural badger look will do
look at all those wims!!!
daaaaw
 
Wimlets* fify :D While Kevin clones himself, Wim just produces cute little baby badgers to distract us from the truth.... Not sure what the truth is, exactly... will find out after staring at the wimlets some more.. Maybe Wim and Kevin teamed up to plot something...
 
4:03 PM
and I just realized OP didn't actually accept an answer here
shame..
 
wim
they probably never realised their accept got deleted
I wonder if it triggers the -2 rep
 
@idjaw OP too busy trying to think of his next comment to add to David's chain, in hopes of proving David wrong.
 
wim
I dunno, davidism final comment is pretty hard to rebut
 
Sometimes I know just what to say.
Just edited out the edit to their question that said "look eval is safe", with the most trivially unsafe example.
They came back 5 months later just to add it.
 
lol
what control does an answerer have over an answer deleted by close votes?
 
4:08 PM
They can mod flag it for review, that's it.
 
ok
 
I think they can also cast an undelete vote if they're >20k.
 
can they edit the answer, so it is in a situation for re-opening?
so close and so far from the golden hammer
 
Wait, answers can't be closed.
 
wow.
@davidism AFAIK users can single-handedly undelete non-mod-deleted answers, but it raises an autoflag. Or does that only apply to deletion via review?
 
4:13 PM
No idea.
 
Two hours and counting to extract "it doesn't work" from OP of Parsing large .txt with user defined inputs - Python
 
Dedication.
 
4:29 PM
cbg
 
Speaking of eval / exec, some of my old Golly scripts save Life patterns as Python scripts. To save space, the script code is zipped & base64 encoded. It uses exec so the outer script can decompress & run the inner script. :) I later decided that was a bit scary, so later versions just decompress the contents to a separate script that you have to run manually.
 
I wonder if OP deleted his question or if someone removed the question oh well, at least OP got his answer from me lol
 
@MooingRawr If you have a link to the question we can see who deleted it.
 
Nvm I found out, deleted by community Oh well hopefully OP learn something from that question lol
Oh cause user deleted his account...
anyways if you were curious it was this question : stackoverflow.com/questions/44725806/… I should stop answering low quality questions, but sometimes I feel bad for OP :\ trying to learn something
 
@MooingRawr Hmmm. The question isn't great, but there are a lot worse. I suspect that it's homework, and the OP's deleted it to cover their tracks. If they were just deleting because they don't want a negative scored question they probably wouldn't bother deleting the whole account.
 
4:43 PM
Is what I was thinking when I answered it, but since they showed their effort and the error, I decided maybe I should help them learn something. The code provided didn't look like something a teacher would code, which was a good enough reason for me to provide a detailed answer.
 
OTOH, I suppose there are lots of regular question askers who aren't interested in trying to earn rep, and whose questions tend to get downvotes, so they just create a new account each time they want to ask a question. I guess the mods have tools to try to prevent that, but it's a bit hard when IPs are dynamic.
@MooingRawr Understood. It's a shame you lost your points, though. If the question were more useful for future readers we could undelete it (and you'd get your points back). But I think we've probably got enough "print vs return" questions.
 
I do agree, and I'm not that bummed about losing points. Generating reps on this site is nice and all but not my main objective here.
I'm mostly here to hang with the cool people in room6, and to learn new things and maybe teach something to others.
 
While working on my Golly scripts I had occasion to look at the glife module. When I first started writing scripts for Golly I was still fairly new to Python, so I didn't bother trying to understand the weird stuff in glife, but looking at it now, it's more than a little scary. Bear in mind that the code is around 10 years old, if not older. OTOH, subclassing list has never been a recommended practice.
 
4:59 PM
class rect(list) well that seems like a good idea
 
And putting large amounts of stuff in an __init.py__ file is "interesting".
 
I like how that implementation stores all the things in separate attributes but still inits the list with those original values..
But that’s almost common. Just look at the stdlib
 
@poke I don't think I ever bothered using that rect class, but I use the pattern class a lot. And now I'm scared. :) I think I might write a replacement...
@poke Oh, ok. I didn't know that (which shows how much of the stdlib Python source I've looked at) I guess keeping __init__.py clean is a more modern technique.
 
@poke The thing that gets me is how it implements __getitem__ to call the .evolve method. So if you want to actually access individual list items instead of calling .evolve then you have to cast the pattern back to a list. But it happily passes pattern objects to Golly functions that expect to receive a list. I guess it's safe to do that because Golly is just going to immediately convert the list to a C array.
 
5:08 PM
it generally makes no sense that any of these inherit list.
Anyway, heading home, rhubarb!
 
rhubarb
 
@poke I agree. Inheriting from list is possible, but it's rarely a good idea. And it's so easy to mess it up.
Rhubarb, Poke!
 
@PM2Ring I mean, in this case it makes no sense because they aren’t even utilizing the underlying list data structure properly
 
wim
subclassing list has all kinds of nasty surprises
 
If you inherit a list (then according to LSP), that thing should still be a list. So if I cannot use it as a list, then it shouldn’t be one.
 
5:10 PM
@wim My guess is that he only did it because it was possible; I'm pretty sure that code was written not long after new-style classes were added to Python.
 
and poke is sucked back in :D
 
wim
subclassing collections.Sequence is usually what you want instead
 
@MooingRawr (still waiting for a virtual machine to shut down :P)
 
uh huh <3
well I'm off to lunch rbrb Poke (since I know you will be gone, maybe), and Rbrb to the rest
 
@wim I think simple composition would be adequate for that pattern class.
 
wim
5:14 PM
why doesn't this work?
session.query(Model).having(func.max(Model.size))
it gives the same result as
`session.query(Model).having(func.min(Model.size))`
 
Putting aside LSP and "why would you even want to do that", what are the actual concrete risks incurred from inheriting from list?
I hear "this isn't a good idea" all the time and never "... And here is an example of it going wrong"
 
wim
@Kevin you don't know whether slicing goes to getitem or getslice
so you have to implement both
and large slice endpoints are silently truncated in some cases
 
DSM
Is getslice still a thing?
 
wim
probably some of these problems went away in python 3
but it used to be list foo[start:stop] went to __setslice__ (simarly __getslice__ and __delslice__) whereas foo[start:stop:] went to __getitem__ etc. totally weird and out of your control if you inherited list
 
getslice was deprecated in 2.6?
In python 3, there is no reason not to inherit from list. Although depending upon how you're modifying it, collections.UserList might be easier
 
5:22 PM
"If you implement X, you must also implement Y" sounds more like a moderately tiresome bit of boiler plate than the "planes falling out of the sky" emergency I expected
 
DSM
I saw a scene on TV once where a criminal being transported tried to bring a plane down by turning off airplane mode on his phone. You know you're dangerous when, etc.
 
wim
 
@Kevin If you're just going to add some stuff to list it's far easier to just use composition. If you're subclassing because you think you need to change any of the parent methods, you're probably solving an XY problem.
But if you do subclass list, you have the problems wim mentioned, and you have to make sure your subclass still behaves like a proper list when you pass it to a function or method that expects a normal list. And of course, you have to override any of the list methods that return a new list so that they return your subclass.
 
wim
your plane fall out of the sky if you fly above 9223372036854775808 meters
 
Luckily at terminal velocity this gives you plenty of time to reprogram your plane's OS from scratch
 
DSM
5:28 PM
This must be a problem for airlines on planets ~1kly away. Or maybe they write all their code in Go..
 
Twist: you're actually flying below sea level but your altimeter uses an unsigned data type that does not behave well when underflowed
 
I think I told that joke a couple months ago. Or maybe someone else did and I'm now plagiarizing it.
 
There seems to be some confusion & misinformation happening on this super question
 
I couldn't make any headway writing an answer for that because "returns a proxy object that delegates method calls to a parent or sibling class of type" is perfectly clear to me and anything I wrote basically regurgitated that information, and I already knew OP wouldn't understand, since he says exactly that.
 
5:39 PM
I just got a SO hit from google and upvoted the incredible answer only to get "You cannot upvote your own post".
 
DSM
Happens to us all from time to time, although my typical reaction is to downvote instead ("this fool clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.")
 
It happened to be a question that I self-answered. I should have stopped when I first read the question and thought "this guy has the exact same problem I do". I also didn't look closely at the code snippet. I would have instantly recognized it as my own.
 
Hmm I spent all this time writing a backstory for my DnD character but now that I sit down to work out the stats I see I get a crucial 5% improvement to attack accuracy if I make him an elf but then he'd be too dignified to fit the "bumbling gardener" role I was planning
coherent backstory, or actual combat effectiveness...
 
elf druid?
 
5:54 PM
Yeah, elf druid.
 
that surprises me (but I've never played dnd)
 
How about a half-elf druid? Less of a bonus but adds the capacity to be bumbling
 
"I've been squatting in this empty lot just beside the meat packing district since I was a wee boy" is plausible if you're 30 but not if you're 300
@excaza It's got to be full blooded wood elf if I want that tasty +1 to Wisdom
 
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