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6:04 PM
@NinjaPuppy We're playing FTL :)
 
is there a link in rec room?
 
thanks @MorganThrapp
 
No problem
 
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We just use this room now for chat -- other room was too low volume and people seemed to not be annoyed by it (tell me if that changes). Thanks Morgan :)
 
6:24 PM
cbg
 
cbg Antti
 
@randomhopeful if you want to do LaTeX fast, see LyX
I did my master's thesis in it
 
I'm adding LyX to my list of try and see if good to recommend to UG students (and starting Graduates). Seems like a good GUI interface
 
it is OK if you don't need the fanciest Latex tricks
its cons is that it might not produce a very readable latex, and it uses its own file format
one needs to import .tex, .latex files...
but yeah it is rather effortless to do things like embed pics, references...
it's got good wysiwym for math as well...
 
biggest complaint I get is basically "I'm used to Word!" so I usually just accept .pdf files for everything gradable but I like to point some of the more promising students to tools which will help them later (as my advisers/professors/mentors did)
 
6:34 PM
yeah that's a big step up from word. Needs bit of a setup on windows...
 
lyx sux if you like to get your hands dirty with latex
 
also a lot of CS people do not need all the advance LaTeX stuff I use for math (rarely write that complicated algorithms) so it might work in that regard
 
yeah.
@JGreenwell you can embed any latex formulae...
but it can certainly display all those formulae that ms word could...
or otherwise word's gotten better...
 
honestly for the UG its all about the biblio and actual code (which is still hard to format in word)
 
6:40 PM
pretty
 
of course the compiled version is the same as latex ^
but the generated source will violate you in inconvenient ways
 
I didn't even have many formulas...
 
But I have a close colleague who uses lyx and likes it a lot, so YMMV
 
my thesis was about agile software development
I didn't even need to provide a e-copy
just a hardcover book :d
 
oooooooooooold:P
 
6:42 PM
even though it was in 2010 :P
 
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@AnttiHaapala it seems to be a nice middle step i'll try both and see [ :
 
mine was about the "digital mesh and information of everything" (which is to say IoT, Social Media, and data analytics) so some in the IoT areas and esp. analytic sections but really small amount compared to other papers I've done
 
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i went through the first pages of the begin latex book, and it seems to be spot on what i need
 
Vaari Antti
 
@randomhopeful on my freshman year at the uni
there was this silly course called "physical measurements"
we just needed to do 5 lab exercises and write reports on them
so I told myself "why bother with LaTeX, I'll use word"
unfortunately my document got corrupted somehow :D:D
 
6:44 PM
@randomhopeful there's the latex short math guide which is very technical (being a cheat sheet), but can also sell the thing by showing you aligned equations and whatnot
 
I could save it exactly once, then word said "out of memory, close other programs and try again", so I would open another word instance, copy-paste everything into it, and I could save it once again; after which the new instance would fail...
 
@AnttiHaapala so your thesis was so bad that it self-destructed?
 
it worked pretty well, although when I copied the content from one doc to another, word replaced one third of those formulas as crudely rendered bitmaps...
@AndrasDeak it wasn't my thesis ^ read above.
 
user6568562
nice : D but i'll have you know that it's supposed to work that way
 
user6568562
more seriously, i got fed up of word and switched with open office, which i can use happily but the whole world doesn't so, sadly, i find myself getting back to word. but these are long gone times
 
6:47 PM
@AnttiHaapala oh sorry, read only half of it
 
word in early '00? hurl
 
... so it was always like "oh shit, I have a wrong sign there in my error estimates... ok, let's fix it and save - dang - ok, then copy -- oh wait, why did it become that ugly, oh now I need to edit it again, sh1t, waaat? it's a bitmap"
@JGreenwell yeap, 2003 or 4
 
user6568562
@AnttiHaapala i can't believe to imagine what kind of annoyance word would be when processing other stuff than words in bold and italic
 
@randomhopeful you're lucky
anyway after that, if I've had the need to write any formulae beyond a+b, or if the end result have needed to look decent, I've used LaTeX/LyX.
bare latex is ok but lyx is nice when you want to concentrate on writing instead on trying to remember which of the commands you needed for that particular symbol.
 
sheesh:P
 
6:51 PM
@randomhopeful this is the legendary guide to LaTeX: cs.mun.ca/~yzchen/bib/latex_notsoshort_intro.pdf
but then I am not a doctor :P
aka IANADr
@AndrasDeak wtf... firefox pdf viewer renders that amsdoc incorrectly :P
 
@AnttiHaapala shame on it
 
that is some sum-Sigmas are disproportionate on normal zoom level.
 
I moved to LaTeX in 2000 for work, thankfully as I had to put scheme and cryptology algorithms in it, but still had to use Word for school
 
user6568562
@AnttiHaapala bookmarked and thanks [ : the cheat sheet to symbols should come in handy
 
7:07 PM
hmm no ukians online
nvm:P
just wanted someone to check what did they say to that Finnish girl on X Factor, but found that ITV can be watched online
 
7:34 PM
Typo or Cannot Reproduce Python error : invalid syntax - Disguise‎ - 2016-08-28 19:24:49Z
 
8:09 PM
Should install the CV script back at home too :\
 
@IljaEverilä did OP edit it out?
 
Tried looking for that, did not see it there
The edit just refined/added the error message
 
cbg
 
cbg
Oh, congrats @Karin for 3k rep!:) Now you can take part in the delightful activity that is Closing All The Crap™
So @Ilja is it an indirect thing? I can't see (date_str,) anywhere...
 
That's just the thing: it should be there :P
 
8:13 PM
haha thanks - I feel useful! ^_^
 
@IljaEverilä ooooh OK, I misunderstood your comment:D
@Karin real fun begins in a month from now when you hit 10k ;)
 
Now the OP is passing the string date_str as the "sequence of arguments", which is obviously bollocks
 
don't let the review queues kill your soul
 
this is good advice
 
@IljaEverilä OK, I get it now, sorry. Voting for typo
 
8:14 PM
I guess my comment was sufficiently convoluted :D
 
it was:D
 
But the thing is, I've seen the very same error posted over and over again in DB-API questions :\
 
I kind of think it's worth keeping open...it doesn't seem like a typo to me so much as noticing the difference between a tuple and a string when passed as an argument to execute. but that's just my likely uninformed opinion
 
And usually they're closed as typos, of course
But that just then keeps 'em coming back :|
 
what about marking as duplicates? =o
 
8:16 PM
@Karin no, that could be useful, but how likely is it that a future reader with the same problem stumble upon it?
I agree that "typo" might be a stretch
 
hopefully if they search for the error "not all arguments converted during string formatting" they should be able to find something
 
Yeah it's hard to search for that
 
Dupe might be good, because this problem comes up a lot. But mostly good dupes are worth keeping around
 
Except with the error messages
Ah
 
of course first the question arises: is there a good dupe target?:)
 
8:18 PM
That 1st one is decent
And pretty much the same
I've burned my CV as typo already :|
 
@IljaEverilä well the first one is exactly this
 
I'll mark as dup!
 
@Antti......
 
@AnttiHaapala it ended up as a duplicate after all
 
10 mins ago, by Ilja Everilä
Missing comma http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39195071/typeerror-mysql-select-in-python
 
8:19 PM
That same thing pops up sufficiently often
 
so now you say:P
 
well, the jury is still out:P
 
I just cast typo.
 
Well my trigger-happy-knee-jerk reaction was typo :D
 
I'm not sure we need an umpteenth poopy dupe
(if this is the umpteenth)
 
8:20 PM
...Which it is, kind of
 
the dupe target has the exact error message...so I'm not flattered by this new one:)
 
@AndrasDeak I think we're well past the umpteenth.
soon approaching googoltieth.
 
For the record, @Karin, the official stance is "dupes are not necessarily bad, good signpost duplicates are useful", but then "we don't need a 100th NullPointerException dupe"
 
@Karin there is one annoying thing about dupes for typo questions:
 
but you need 5 votes (except gold badger dupe hammer) for a reason, do as you see fit:)
 
8:22 PM
they will show up on google, and people will not get help for that problem what they searched for.
 
vaultah duped it...........
so much for my typo vote:D
 
But yeah I'm pretty positive that I've seen many a (myargument) questions related to MySQLdb DB-API
 
@Karin also, Roomba will automatically deleted unanswered or 0-score answered closed typos in <30 days.
but dupes will stay forever.
 
@AnttiHaapala ah, no
 
this one pops at least once a week
 
8:23 PM
there's a 1-year roomba that might apply
@Karin @Antti roomba meta post
 
nothing will apply to answered close as duplicate
iirc
 
bottom line is "closed stuff with no accepted/upvoted answer will get deleted quick unless dupe"
RemoveDeadQuestions and RemoveAbandonedQuestions both apply to dupes, but it's hard to live that long with no comments etc.
 
exactly, and that's why a question whose answer is: "add a comma", should be closed as a typo.
 
another issue; I'm just saying that dupes can get roombad too:P
 
ah I see - but then it seems strange to mark duplicate posts as typos no? O_o
 
8:25 PM
but it is much less likely
 
@Karin the nth time it happens it is not useful any longer :P
 
@Karin it's like this: if it's crap, vote as crap. If it's non-crap dupe, vote as dupe. If it's neither but only on-topic elsewhere, vote for migration. If it's neither, answer it.
 
it seems we'd rather have something like "this has been asked too many times, incinerate it"
ah k - so duplicates are actually considered better quality and crappy dups should not be marked as dups?
 
Considering roomba, yes. But this is not official, just my close-fascist opinion:)
 
@Karin no, typos should not necessarily marked as typos
especially if it is clear that OP got the answer, then rather close as a typo.
 
8:27 PM
crappy dupes are often marked as dupes, because swift hammering by a gold badger will prevent rep whores to flock onto the question:)
 
^ that
 
+1
 
and then you still have a 5-minute window after closure when crap can come in:S
 
(hi vaultah!)
 
@AndrasDeak ... though meta just ruled that the w word is not appropriate any longer.
 
8:28 PM
nothing worse than seeing a crap answer posted after the crap question is closed
@AnttiHaapala yes, I wouldn't want to offend any rep whores.
 
I hammer questions primarily to prevent people from answering them
 
nor proper whores
 
And I go through questions I hammered and delv them if I can
 
@AndrasDeak ...
 
@vaultah you're a good person, bless your soul
 
8:29 PM
<3
 
so when I say rep whore, I really mean karma-prostitute
 
it seems it's kind of a problem (especially for newer 3k'ers like me!) if the close reason doesn't necessarily match up with what we want the consequence of something to be. I would be inclined to mark duplicates (no matter the quality) as duplicates, without knowing that there might be something better?
 
@Karin hi \o
 
@Karin yes, usually you'd do that :P
 
8:29 PM
@AnttiHaapala ah it is, thanks:D
 
but "the following code does not run", without any error message, stacktrace or so, that boils down to "you're missing a right parenthesis on line 4738" is not that useful as a duplicate.
 
@Karin what really matters is that questions that can/should not be answered get closed:) You'll get familiar with customs and form your own knee-jerk reflexes in time:D
Since there are 5 votes needed, you can't really do wrong.
 
excellent. also why I have you fine folks around to show me the ropes =]
 
and you can retract your vote if you reconsider (although you won't be able to recast afterwards)
@Karin fine might not be the best word:D
 
@Karin if a not-logged-in person comes to a duplicate question, they'd be automatically redirected to the dupe-target
 
8:31 PM
@AnttiHaapala oh I keep forgetting that
 
that seems like a good thing
 
not necessarily...
 
but if the question is "my script does not run", and then the answer is "you're missing a )" then it is not very useful :P
 
sometimes dupe sources have good answers too
maybe more specific than the target
 
the one we just marked I thought had a good question/answer
 
8:33 PM
@Karin please read meta.stackexchange.com/questions/167342/… this as well.
lol i found "some" dupes more
 
👍
 
what about that?
I almost closed that as a dupe :P
this just distracts :D
 
oh goodness
well that definitely looks like a typo more so failing to distinguishing between string and tuple/list no?
 
1470 results on google
 
8:39 PM
for Python MySQLdb TypeError: not all arguments converted during string formatting site:stackoverflow.com
 
you would think it's probably not great design on MySQLdb's part to have kind of a confusing method like that
 
as if MySQLdb was designed :?
 
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@AnttiHaapala the problem with even using a synonym is the argument they (owners/employees of so) officially used is that we should explain why the behavior is not desired each and every time to each and every person who is promiscuous in his/her behaviors for internet points
 
that's actually the Python DBAPI
 
Yeppers, DB-API at play, every library has the same "issue", but some raise errors if given for example a string as the sequence
 
8:41 PM
ok let's take a one-person survey
@Karin do you think rw is an offensive term? :D
 
user559633
lol are you asking karin because we're assuming she's female?
 
fingers crossed for sample of size 1
we are?
 
I am pretty sure she is
 
user559633
i make no assumptions nor do i care :)
 
of course you don't, you genderless blob, you
 
user559633
8:43 PM
i didn't even really use the term repwhore before, but i'm not changing my vocabulary becasue the consequences are "or else an SO employee doesn't like it" or "i lose my internet points"
 
not at all (to the rw question, not to the 'am I a female' question)
 
user6568562
I'd suggest changing rep-w to rep-floozy. or rep person-with-questionable-moral-compass-gender-non-important-to-matter
 
and yes I can confirm I'm female
 
well this has nothing to do with gender, a lot of whores are male
This is how you do political correctness, right?
 
In [5]: psycopg2.connect('dbname=sopython')
Out[5]: <connection object at 0x7f26188fce18; dsn: 'dbname=sopython', closed: 0>

In [6]: conn = _

In [7]: cursor = conn.cursor()

In [8]: cursor.execute('select %s, %s', 'as')

In [9]: cursor.fetchone()
Out[9]: ('a', 's')
 
8:45 PM
@AndrasDeak .. :D
 
then again I've always kind of been more on the side of "preemptive offendedness is the root of all non-fun" and am probably less sensitive to such things
4
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak no, because you're suggesting there's only 3 genders: male/female/tristan
 
no, my subtle world view has male/female and on an orthogonal axis there's tristan
 
user559633
smart
 
I'm progressive
 
8:46 PM
@tristan I am trying hard to keep the discussion sane...
 
In [10]: cursor.execute('select %s%s', 'as')

In [11]: cursor.fetchone()
Out[11]: ("a's",)
 
@AnttiHaapala you lost the fight when tristan came (pun not intended. What pun?)
 
user559633
the way to do PC is to disregard context/intent/facts in order to get attention/ money/power
 
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@AnttiHaapala the conversation won't be sane around this topic. it's either an echo chamber, realizing it's pointless, or one side having fun because the other side (the puppets) is getting really IRL mad
 
seriously...
 
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MTV is pushing a hyper-PC agenda? It must be because it's important and not because their parent company, Viacom, who has a $16bb market cap, sees dollar signs, political favor in helping censorship, or other corporate boons for encouraging microfascists with silly hair and tons of time to spend on social media
 
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More productively: React/Redux/ES6/modern JS frameworks really seem to be better about code maintenance
 
@IljaEverilä so what should we do with that?
mcve? :D
 
"More productively" -> ends in javascript ;)
 
Dunno, wait and see
 
8:52 PM
@Ilja extra comma at the end doesn't do anything, does it?
 
@IljaEverilä updateone is what?:P
it's a function call
in a list...
not really sane at all
I am voting for unclear
 
@Karin starred that one :P
 
@AndrasDeak ah OP's saying empty tuple with -1, so it's definitely not an extra comma at the end of the source line :P
 
@IljaEverilä but even then (1,2,3,) has only 3 elements, right?
what they are saying, "empty tuple", might just be a None, don't take them too seriously
 
8:55 PM
@AndrasDeak was thinking more along the lines of (1, 2, 3),
-> a 1-tuple of 3-tuple :P
 
oooooh, sorry:)
makes much more sense
but no cigar, still:P
 
Yep, no
 
maybe results[-1] has a cyrillic e in it, while results[2] doesn't:D
 
That'd be something :D
 
8:57 PM
here's my take:
Are you sure that UpdateOne call ran without errors, and your actual code line up there actually got executed? — Andras Deak 46 secs ago
dat caching
FYI question updated with code
 
Aug 25 at 18:27, by Kevin
> On Monday a monk was sent to master Kaimu to inquire, “What is the greatest peril of caching?”
>
> Kaimu answered, “Monday is my busiest day. Ask again tomorrow and I will teach you all I know.”
>
> On Tuesday the monk returned and asked the same question.
>
> Kaimu answered, “Monday is my busiest day. Ask again tomorrow and I will teach you all I know.”
ARRRRGGGHHH
results = tuple(chain(mp(mp_sector_hashes,image_names[l:h])))
print(results[-1])
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
that looks exactly like the ikea table on which my laptop is resting atm...
@AndrasDeak ^
that caching indeed
Have you considered debugging your code? — Antti Haapala 1 min ago
 
:D
let me see if you tripped the snark filter
 
I'd bet on a 365-day ban.
 
9:11 PM
ah, the bot's not listening now
 
downvote and move along
 
He done delete
 
which bot?
 
user559633
you're not my real Antti
 
I wonder what the last comment before the delete was
 
9:14 PM
wonder no more: "It was nested!!!! Omg so results[-1][-1] works. Well I guess I can delete this question if the only usefulness was to me finally figuring that out."
 
Right
So it was turtles all the way down
 
no, layer of elephants in between...
 
9:25 PM
anyone (besides <- and Ilja) interested in helping porting Supervisord to Python 3 properly?
 
user559633
pySystemd :P
 
such a thing actually exists? :P
 
@JonClements have you watched these?
 
So what's the policy on "What does this code do?" type of questions?
-3
Q: What does this part of code do?

MaartenwwI'm trying to make the game battleship in python and have observed some code of others to get the idea ,although i don't understand this part of the code: from random import randint #initializing board board = [] for x in range(5): board.append(["O"] * 5) def print_board(board): for r...

 
screw policy:P
especially with python where you just copy-paste and see for yourself
that clearly won't erase your disk...
 
9:38 PM
Crap answers be pouring in
 
close close close
 
@AndrasDeak try to write an obfuscated way to do that :)
 
in The Ministry of Silly Hats, 39 mins ago, by Andras Deak
(I'm a nice person, I swear!)
 
user6568562
f*cking vulture tutorial websites and their tic tac toe/battleship sh!t tutorials
 
@Ilja did that answerer really just add the "print_board(board)" line?
 
9:40 PM
So it seems :P
 
thanks, needed a sanity check
I unleashed the niceness
 
that would probably involve os.syscall(1, ...) or something along those lines
 
I generally don't want to harm innocent people, even if they are stupid. (Non-innocent people, well...)
 
I don't care about obliteration.
 
user559633
or unpacking bytes or unpickling some given data
 
9:46 PM
I'm a bit worried that OP might be the kind of person who can't learn programming (Jeff Atwood's to blame, not me:P)
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak lol Nice article, I'm planning on reading the draft paper, some time tomorrow
 
hope I'm not too harsh:
@BPL that's exactly my point. Too broad questions should generally not be answered (that's why there's a close reason for them). If you do, you should make it good. Your answer effectively consists of a single line of code with less than 20 characters in it, and a link to the official docs. This makes it a very low-quality answer on a low-quality (or at least unuseful question). It is usually encouraged to focus one's efforts on good and answerable posts; and to answer these kinds of questions in comments. What OP really needs is to learn python. — Andras Deak 1 min ago
hmm..probably not
maybe (surely) arrogant, but not harsh:D
 
user6568562
Hey, you know what they say about second guessing. The more you reread it, the more you find yourself arrogant :D
 
user6568562
As for OP, he just needs to be more critical of what websites promise him. Maybe he needs to post a meta question and get hammered with tough love to decide whether he's serious or not about learning to program : P
 
No, it's just the old case of "But but but Stack Overflow is about teaching people to program!" when it's not.
 
user559633
9:58 PM
b..b...but internet points
 
user6568562
Aug 8 at 21:07, by randomhopeful
@Andras New users are uneducated + accustomed to a special kind of catering. You know big smiley faces from big corporates (buttering these future consumers with ego rubs) + They start sniffing reps like cocaine.
 
user6568562
: D I forgot I pinged you in that question
 
:)
maybe it was another Andras
 
pavement ants in front of my house
 
ants?
 
user559633
10:00 PM
spontaneous combustion of.. oh
 
is a storm coming?
 
well I kinda flipped out when I saw it. So I did some reading and apparently the colony gets so big that a queen breaks away and a bunch of ants follow her to a new place
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak like there could be another Andras : P But I'm agreeing with you. I wouldn't have gotten my act together to begin to learn the basics if it wasn't for the "harsh" treatment
 
Burn it. Burn it with so much fire.
 
I wanted to...I was telling my wife, their new colony will by our living room, we have to stop them!
 
10:03 PM
Do it. I've got ants at my current place, and it's terrible.
 
@randomhopeful I don't believe in sugarcoating in technical matters
 
I found like 40 of them the other day behind a shelf.
 
user559633
who holds down the old colony?
 
@idjaw I think it's called swarming or something
ants here do that sometimes in masses when there's a nice kind of storm coming
buttload of winged ants everywhere
 
The existing Queen of that colony remains, and a "new" queen arises for the new colony
you can make a movie out of this!
The Pavement Ants Trilogy - Part 1: The Coup!
 
10:05 PM
I think it's like this: in equilibrium, there's a single queen who produces infertile workers. When the time is right, fertile ants are spawned, who are winged and go away to do the nasties and found new colonies of their own
but gotta go now, rhubarb
 
user6568562
@AndrasDeak laters [ :
 
night
 
user6568562
10:27 PM
@tristan This radiohead's remix is insane
 
user559633
10:40 PM
@randomhopeful checking it out
 
user559633
sounds kind of like gui boratto
 
user6568562
that's true
 
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