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12:04 AM
Anyone here used that sortedcontainers module?
 
Is this a new Python3 module?
 
No, it's this thing.
 
Yes, I was just looking a that
And the transcript of the PyCon talk
Looks pretty straightforward, I'll keep it in mind in future. Did you have a specific question about it, or just looking for any comments from those who have used it?
 
It makes bold performance claims and claims to have benchmarks supporting them, but I'm not sure I trust the benchmarks. There aren't any time complexity guarantees anywhere I can see, and the code includes a few operations that could be highly expensive if they happen too often.
 
Well, Alex Martelli is a pretty smart guy, and not one to hand out recommendations lightly. That's a pretty good data point.
I'd be interested to hear Raymond Hettinger's comments on it.
Ah sorry, just got called to dinner - good luck with sortedcollections
rbrb
 
12:19 AM
Rhubarb.
 
You mean Martellibot?:P
 
It also doesn't link sources for the testimonials. The only place the Martelli quote seems to show up is on sortedcollections' own site. I don't see Martelli actually saying it anywhere.
The Jeff Knupp link doesn't work for me, the Martelli and Samuel links just go to pages about the people instead of testimonials, and the Summerfield link just says to consider sortedcollections.
 
so does anyone know where these leaked linkedin passwords are? i've read more than a few articles now that say they are "floating around the internet/webz". i don't like these vague terms. i just want to see if i can find my own ... might not be a bad idea for a web app. "find your leaked passwords".
 
The simulated workloads only exercise SortedList, not the SortedSet or SortedDict that more closely match the sorted data structures other languages provide. There's almost no competition for SortedList to compare against.
@wgwz: I don't know about acquiring the whole database, but apparently HaveIBeenPwned lets you check if you're affected
 
12:35 AM
google is my friend. apparently such a web app exists: leakedsource.com. ironically you need to sign up with email and a password to view the results. apparently i've been hacked on linkedin, tumblr and linuxmint forums.
 
Time for me to go home. See you guys later.
 
1:07 AM
howdy
 
 
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2:31 AM
typo. Extra underscore in their init
 
2:41 AM
and python2 with py3 super syntax?
 
They must have changed their code. I can't reproduce in both Python 2 or 3
 
ah OK
 
cbg all
 
cbg
 
hmm....I really want to see Warcraft but I don't have enough, local, geeky friends
(and son is too young)
 
2:59 AM
LFG
:P
 
bwah, hah! I just click on your profile, @idjaw and was immediately reminded of This guy
 
hahah : )
 
....who was apparently ripped off the original Captain Canuck
 
 
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4:25 AM
@PeterVaro The outer group gets potentially matched more than once, how do I get it's second+ matches
 
 
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5:38 AM
@Natecat .search returns the first match. If you want all matches you should be using .findall
 
 
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10:02 AM
sleepy cabbage
I managed to stay up until 5 AM trying to subclass np.ndarray for an answer
I'm not saying it wasn't worth it, but I'm tired none the less:D
 
11:05 AM
@JGreenwell It's great. Find a way to see it.
I'd give it a solid 8/10.
 
11:19 AM
@Ffisegydd Swedes... :D
 
11:54 AM
cabbage
hey its captain Canuck go the redheads!
OMG, I am the only one here ... OK cheers broiling vacuum of space infinitum.
(wonder how often that happens?)
 
12:25 PM
hey
can anyone tell me which font is this?
thanks in advance
it seems really pleasing to eyes
 
consolas ?
try consolas
 
that's what i thought .. but its not consolas
 
no, that's definitely not consolas
@RishabhGour 12px/normal 'Monaco', 'Menlo', 'Ubuntu Mono', 'Consolas', 'source-code-pro', monospace
That's the CSS for that text box
I just went to the page in the URL and right clicked on the text box and went to 'inspect"
then just went down the list
it's likely that it's one of the provided fonts
seems likely that it's monaco
 
12:47 PM
yeah man
thanks :D
 
Hm. Menlo might be a strong contender too, though
shrugs whichever.
I think that hack is what I'm into github.com/chrissimpkins/Hack
I like bitmap fonts
 
its definitely monaco
 
because I use like... size 6-8 usually
depends on my screen and viewing distance
 
aliased fonts just look like garbage at that size
 
12:52 PM
so which font is best for programming according to you
?
 
the monospaced font that makes you happy is the best for your programming. I use menlo.
 
I go with Lucida Console (Windows)
So sad that there are so few monospace options - Courier makes me feel like I'm using punch cards
 
have you seen this? app.programmingfonts.org
 
lol
punch cards
whoa!
thanks @idjaw
 
seems to missing some
 
1:03 PM
Nice site @idjaw! Will check it out more later today
 
Very nice. Yeah, on the chromebook that I'm on right now, Hack at 7pt is perfect
Well, except the 6 -_-
but it gives me 63 LOC on the screen
source code pro is comfortable, too
office code pro, monoid, Hermit, and fira mono are all comfortable 7pt fonts
 
What would be awesome is if the font size can change when I output to a bigger monitor
that would be magical
 
That would be pretty delightful. Of course, if I'm using gnome terminal or its ilk, I just have different profiles
Jeff Atwood has the best text for testing programming fonts
For instance, I prefer light text on dark backgrounds, and tiny fonts so I can cram as much source code as possible on one page
 
note to self - set "the font of the gods" on co-worker laptop
 
I'd really love to have a 3 or 4 monitor setup, with two of them in vertical orientation for my source code
 
1:16 PM
devil horn shaped monitor layout
hehe
 
Vertical is also good for scanning logs, as you have a better chance to see related entries
 
I've been trying to minimize my screen real estate to help with my focus. But I do have to say I do miss my old set up where I did have a vertical monitor for documentation and logs
unfortunately, my work laptop being an Air, it is not easy getting more than one monitor
 
well rbrb all, heading into town with the fam
 
cheers Paul! enjoy the day
 
1:38 PM
@idjaw I find simply putting terminals on all my screens works wonders ;)
 
 
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2:39 PM
cbg
 
3:22 PM
Hello dudes
 
cbg @poke, @Merzhaak
 
what does cbg mean ?
@poke
 
short for cabbage :)
 
:))))
@poke are u interested in django ?
 
@Merzhaak Definitely better ways to accomplish your end goal than stackoverflow.com/q/36402514/344286
 
3:36 PM
@WayneWerner don't check my awful career
:)
 
@Merzhaak if you have a question on Django then you should just ask, not ping individuals directly
 
I just asked
I don't need help!
 
Asking someone "are you interested in X?" is most often a introduction to "because I have a question about X"
 
user559633
cbg
 
cbg @tristan
@Merzhaak if it's not because you have a question about X, it also comes off a little odd. Poke wasn't talking about django (or even much at all)
pinging him like that is roughly the equivalent of walking up to someone at a bar and asking, "Are you interested in Django?"
it's a bit awkward, socially
 
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3:44 PM
it's funny to track "what i want to work on today vs. what I did today."
9-jun:
todo: fight orc
result: fought 2 goblins, fixed hilt of sword
10-jun:
todo: fight orc
result: found out orc is weak to fire. cut down tree
 
true story.
I find that pomodoro helps them line up a bit more
 
@WayneWerner “Ask me about LOOM”
That being said, I’m not interested in Django, no.
 
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we should do a let's play of one of those old SCUMM games
 
@poke If that's in reference to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loom_(video_game)
then yes, yes I will ask you about Loom :D
(I loved that game)
 
That’s actually more a reference to The Secret of Monkey Island :P
 
3:52 PM
Which is also an awesome game :D
 
That’s absolutely true! :D
 
And I think they advertised for Loom inside Monkey Island
I got all the way up to fight LeChuck... on Monkey Island II?
never could beat him
 
That’s what that picture and quote is about :P You could talk to Cobb and he would practically make an advert for Loom
 
I absolutely loved the writing in those games
"His excellency of expectoration"
The verbal sparring was fantastic, too
 
Yeah, Ron Gilbert is just great. I’m really looking forward to his new game. Did you hear about Thimbleweed Park?
 
3:56 PM
nooooo
 
Is he the one who said he'd make a new monkey island game if he could get the rights?
 
user559633
 
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me irl
 
user559633
'$25 - PIRATE - "I pirated Maniac Mansion and Monkey Island when I was a kid and I feel bad!"'

amusing because it's like paying bob and alice for something you might have taken from bob and karen
 
3:58 PM
"bloated and pixelated from decay of a death come too soon"
 
@Wayne Yeah, right now Disney owns the rights to the Monkey Island franchise. He previously tried to buy it out, but hasn’t really reached any interest (Disney probably just doesn’t care about it). But yeah, he said that he would maybe make do a proper 3rd part of Monkey Island if he got the chance
 
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lol the clown nose honk
 
Since MI was originally meant to be a trilogy, before Lucas Arts decided to do two more games (3 and 4) without him.
 
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ambitious to go osx, windows, linux, xbox, ios, android. i wonder what they're writing it in that porting it isn't a problem
 
Mmmmmm, that's epic
Wish I had $40 budgeted for games right now :P
 
4:02 PM
@tristan Gilbert wrote his own engine (again)
 
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@poke Oh wow.
 
user559633
So then did he just make the method signatures identical between languages?
 
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I'd imagine otherwise it would take a team of 10 to just port tweaks
 
I think he uses SDL as the graphics layer below
 
Hey guys, if anyone has ever been to a PyCon (India or anywhere), what has been your experience?
This is my first time and I'm undecided about buying a ticket :-)
 
4:04 PM
SDL makes sense
@S.R.I I wanted to go this last time
 
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Ah, I've never heard aboout SDL. I'll check it out
 
(Pycon, that is)
 
@WayneWerner Portland?
 
yeah
 
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After I'm a dot com thousandaire, I'd love to make my side obsession making little story games
 
4:06 PM
:D
 
sadly, the company didn't approve expenses until after everything was sold out :P
 
@WayneWerner ouch
 
yeah
 
user559633
life is too short for all the interesting work in it
 
It is :(
 
4:07 PM
I saw the closing notes and they mentioned that tickets were sold out much before the actual closing date
 
@tristan True story. And we're creating exponentially more interesting things
 
but also more difficult things
 
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@WayneWerner Oh, yeah, that's a major part of the reason why I quit my job -- more direct access to interesting, hard problems.
 
@WayneWerner But I'm on my own this time - no sponsorship from employer or anything like that
 
Another true story. Like computers than can successfully not only play Go, but clean the field.
@S.R.I If I had budgeted better, I would have just gone on my own :P
 
4:09 PM
Ah :-)
 
user559633
Yeah, things are far more difficult -- even before getting to actual "hard problems". Even in the web programming world, things are just a pile of 99% of the work to fix 1% of the edge cases.
 
@Tristan that's one of the reasons why I dislike web programming. It's too much grunt work for those few interesting bits
 
Maybe that's why there are so many JS frameworks
creating frameworks is interesting, the other parts are boring
 
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@S.R.I Yeah. I recently found out that some people earnestly enjoy system administration and "last mile" web development
 
I enjoy automating system administration
 
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4:13 PM
I did it for a few years and it doesn't speak to me any more.
 
funny you should say "last mile web development" -- that just sounds like glorified packagers and assemblers :P
or integrators
 
Anyone know when Pycon 2017 tickets will go on sale?
 
@WayneWerner damn, you are way too early. Come back next year :P
 
user559633
@S.R.I "last mile" is a term from telecom to describe the part of the "loop"/connection that goes from the edge of a company-controlled network to a customer premise
 
@WayneWerner or travel somewhere that still hosts PyCon 2016, if you want it in 2016
 
4:16 PM
I'm going to PyCon UK.
Whether FC pays or not, I haven't asked yet.
 
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I'm waiting until I have the cash and then announcing SoPyCon 2017
 
I'm hoping I can convince some to join me at Cardiff.
 
@Tristan yes, I am aware. It's just funny calling it "last mile" when it's really more of onsite troubleshooting
 
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@S.R.I Sorry if it seemed like I was talking down to you, I just didn't know how common that expression was. Apologies if I caused offense
 
JRS and Bobert showed interest. I reckon I could convince Intrepid and Martijn too. Then just need to work on Joncle.
 
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4:17 PM
And yeah, I guess that's true, but last mile also contains on-premise demarcation. In any case, we're talking about the same thing :)
 
no worries. None taken
 
It's absolutely pouring down here. It's so glorious. I wish it would rain all the time.
 
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@Ffisegydd So British. Can't handle the British
 
I'm a huge fan of rain
 
I went to a food and drink festival earlier and saw some stalls on gin, too.
 
4:20 PM
except then in drives the kids inside...
 
The trick is not to spawn additional processes.
 
user559633
Flights are around $1200 from BOS->CWL. That's doable.
 
Do it. It's not too far from FizzyTown to Cardiff but I'll probably hotel it for the weekend.
 
Does anyone else ever consider how much of a ballet of near-death experiences it is hurtling down the road in an automobile?
 
All the time.
Mostly as FizzyGirl drives.
 
4:23 PM
@Ffisegydd FizzyGirl?
 
user559633
I'll probably sleep on the street next to a cardboard sign that says "dekko, mate! will try to speak british slang for bit of the queen's squidgies"
 
I mean, 10 degrees off and you plow headlong into another car, turning what had been a lovely day out into a tragedy... and yet we do this on a daily basis
humans are weird
 
Sit next to a road and really watch cars going past, and really try to understand just how fast 40mph is.
 
To say nothing of 50+
 
user559633
it's the ultimate triumph of marketing and corruption that streets have been given to cars, and that we call dangerous collisions "accidents"
 
4:26 PM
+1
the funny thing is it's really not even that we need automobiles - we just need the freedom to be somewhere that's not where we are
automobiles are just the vehicle for that particular purpose (badum ching)
 
user559633
"in other news, we had a bit of a oopsies as a 90 pound woman in a 4000 pound van got distracted by the radio and a cell phone and ran a few people over"
 
Pedestrians really bear the brunt of most accidents
and cyclists
"drivers of these two vehicles walked away. Pity the pedestrian who was walking along and died. He should have been driving!"
 
When proxy tribal warfare just isn't enough!
> at a gang of black-clad Russian hooligans
 
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4:31 PM
the concept of "freedom" and people "deserving" things :)
 
Would anyone ever say, "A gang of Armani-dressed Russian hooligans" (if there were such a thing)?
 
user559633
fuck me, if you europeans had half the zealousness for fighting wars and fixing domestic problems...
 
@WayneWerner Isn't James Bond UK's hooliganism on the world?
/me ducks
 
@S.R.I No that was Queen Victoria.
 
user559633
"Labour's Andy Burnham said England fans' behaviour was "embarrassing" given the terrorism threat to France." feck off andy, you're arguing against cultural tradition of taking kicking-around-a-ball-and-feigning-injury too seriously
 
4:35 PM
heh
-_-
We're having a yard sale this morning, and my daughters have been cleaning inside
I needed my CC so I asked my daughter to fetch my wallet from my shorts next to my bed. She informed me that she took that pair of shorts, pockets full of EDC, belt with my Gerber multitool, and all, to the laundry room.
 
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I've been drinking coffee and looking around the internet for things to get mad about.
 
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻)
@tristan How about the Stanford rapist? Or have you already been mad about that one?
 
user559633
Fuck that guy, the media, and the judge. I'd pay to have time alone with the rapist and would happily take the consequences of feeding him his teeth
 
Don't forget the father.
 
^indeed
Though perhaps you could say that you were too privileged
 
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4:42 PM
I hit pretty hard, so I imagine I'd be off to jail for a while, so I prioritized
 
Then you can avoid consequences! theonion.com/article/…
 
Yeah but you could at least make him watch while his son chews his own teeth.
 
user559633
i'd just run him over and say i didn't notice him
 
user559633
with mankind's love of cars, i wouldn't even have to pay a fine
 
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4:46 PM
not really. this is some fuckface molesting, exploiting, and trying to rape someone that's obviously not in the right state of mind
 
user559633
also this video is bullshit. consent is not like tea at all.
 
user559633
never mind, turning left :)
 
user559633
now i really want a curse of monkey island style online browser game
 
Who doesn't?
 
4:55 PM
Have some fun with this then: int33h.com/test/mi
 
user559633
soure downloaded. neat.
 
Chat acting weird, huh
 
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thanks poke, this is cool
 
user559633
i like the mechanic of "learn insults from losing fights, run away and you get to re-use them"
 
yeah
 
afternoon cbg
 
cbg idjaw
 
hey vaultah!
 
5:30 PM
cabbage
 
o/
 
If any of you can take a peek at this question and its comments: there's a library that if is imported before matplotlib.pyplot, it stops plots from being shown
after a quick look I couldn't even find any huge plotting deals going on with said library
importing matplotlib first fixes it
1. does this make sense beyond "something's yammed up in the library", and
2. should I suggest filing a bugreport to OP?
 
@Andras needs more info from OP.
e.g. "what does happen? What happens when you do print(plt)?
Looks like it's telling mpl to use TKAgg, that might not work on OPs PC.
 
but that's a test...is it not?
 
5:36 PM
and OP said they tried other backends to no avail, of course this other library might set it otherwise
 
It seems that the lib is definitely changing backends.
Not sure exactly which one is causing the error.
 
hmm, tricky
thanks
 
Brief cbg
 
@Ffisegydd 8/10?...alright, some of the CS/IT geeks around here are going with me to see Warcraft - they just don't know it yet
 
5:42 PM
Yeah it has issues, as most films do.
I'd love to see the full version, apparently he had to cut 30 minutes due to time restrictions.
 
come on, it's a Warcraft movie, it's a huge deal if it's watchable
 
heh
 
I actually have read a number of Warcraft books (prefer ones based on Neverwinter Nights) so I was hoping it would follow those more then the games
 
It does take some liberties with the story, but hits the vast majority of the details and all of the major points.
 
@AndrasDeak: Here's a Numpy question you might be able to help with. stackoverflow.com/questions/37748846/…
I originally thought he was using a numerical method to estimate derivatives, but now he's posted code that shows an analytical expression for the derivative. But I guess it could be an approximation. I'm out of my depth figuring out exactly what physics problem he's trying to solve... I guess his system may be chaotic, and that's where the noise is coming from.
 
5:47 PM
@PM2Ring umm...conductivity of the ionosphere and stuff
definitely over my head physics-wise:)
and yes, I'd not be surprised if their system is chaotic
and stiff
and whatever it can be
 
 # Remove infinity and NaN values)
 jpari[~np.isfinite(jpari)] = 0.0
that's also a bad sign ^
 
@AndrasDeak Oh good, it's not just me then. :)
@AndrasDeak Poor-man's renormalization. :)
 
I think they're making a huge mistake by leaving their huge and tiny physical quantities as they are
left a comment suggesting rescaling their equations
 
Cool
 
5:53 PM
I'm not sure that would help, but it's always an option, and they are having issues with noise
loss of precision can easily be (one of) the reason(s)
 
anyone following the Euro?
 
Only the violence.
 
We all know that naming things is hard, but this is not a well-named function:
def add(x, y):
    z = x / y * 100
    return z
 
Actual laugh-out-loud.
Literally cackled.
 
haha
 
that's great
 
@idjaw I plan on watching England's match today
 
Wales just beat Slovakia, apparently.
 
@PM2Ring that goes nicely with the question's title
 
yes. I just watched the Wales/Slovakia game. I like Gareth Bale, so I really wanted to watch this. Especially with Wales having its first appearance in almost 58 years
England/Russia...will definitely try to watch it. But kids will be waking up from nap time then
 
5:57 PM
heh...I'll be watching that game cause that is my kids nap time
 
hah
 
@poke woohoo! beat it \o/
 
:)
So you’re a swordmaster now?
 
Indeed. I have the courage and the skill of a swordmaster ;)
@AndrasDeak I swear some of the OPs on SO are just markov bots.
 
that would explain a lot
 
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