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12:04 AM
well rbrb. Have a good evening guys.
 
rhubarb
 
 
8 hours later…
8:33 AM
Funnily enough, I actually do something similar to bullet journals, without all the colourful crap though.
And without a Future Log, because that sounds like crap.
 
8:45 AM
Future Log - stardate 5565566 - verdict: satisfying
 
Cbg
 
Guys I love the broversation you were having
 
9:04 AM
Is there a more efficient way to generate these permutations with limited repetitions? stackoverflow.com/a/37765901/4014959 I guess it doesn't really matter much, since just generating all the normal permutations of a string of length 36 would take something like 8e27 years on my 2GHz machine. :) But if there is a better algorithm I'm sure the OP would love to know about it.
 
@PM2Ring I'm not aware of one off the top of my head.
 
Thanks, JRS. I'd hate to have overlooked some simple yet brilliant solution. :)
 
9:20 AM
I rather suspect, though, that there may be an x-y problem at hand where OP actually wants strings that in some way "look" like hashes or something. So I don't think I have time to get involved.
 
I am new to python.Can any one suggest me how to start and where to start and some do's and dont's?
 
@JRichardSnape That sounds like a reasonable hypothesis, and a reasonable response. :) FWIW, I've been playing around with some crypto stuff lately, in particular format-preserving encryption, and password generation algorithms, so I didn't mind spending a little bit of time on that question.
@RaghulM Welcome to the wonderful world of Python! :) Have you worked through the official tutorial?
 
10:00 AM
@PM 2Ring I just went through the basic python in tutorialspoint.com/python
 
10:24 AM
@RaghulM Hey thanks for that tutorial link. Value online resources.
 
@Cam_Aust Yup!!Its really good
 
Ok will take a look at
Thought not now, have to do other stuff.
 
Ok. I just had a very brief look at the first few sections of that tutorialspoint site. I guess it's ok, but not great. It looks like a re-hash of the material from the official tutorial, with some mistakes in the English grammar thrown in, and I noticed some incorrect information about Python, too.
And it does `print (some_variable)`, which is ugly: there shouldn't be a space between the function name and the `(`.
The SOPython Wiki has a short list of tutorials, including the official one: sopython.com/wiki/What_tutorial_should_I_read%3F
 
@PM2Ring Thanks!That was very helpful
 
@RaghulM Did you know another programming language before you started on Python? I don't think that tutorialspoint tutorial would be so good for someone who has no programming experience. However, the official Python tutorial isn't much good for raw beginners either, it presumes you already are familiar with basic programing concepts from another language.
 
10:34 AM
@PM2Ring I know C programming.Is that ok?
 
@RaghulM That's great! However, the Python data model is rather different to the C data model, and it can be a bit weird at first.
 
@PM2Ring Can you suggest me some good video tutorials?
@PM2Ring Can I start here automatetheboringstuff.com?
 
@RaghulM Sorry, I don't know much about video tutorials. I'm an old-fashioned guy. :) My feeling is that videos can be helpful, but you can't learn to program simply by watching video after videos. To actually absorb and retain the information from the videos you need to knuckle down and write code.
So now that you have a basic understanding of Python the best way to improve is to simply write lots of Python. Don't try to take on any large projects, just write lots of small things to test out your knowledge and make sure Python actually does behave the way you think it does.
Also, read lots of Python code written by good coders. There are zillions of examples on Stack Overflow. Check out the answers written by people who have a high reputation in Python, they're almost always worth studying. However, bear in mind that the code in SO answers doesn't always follow best practice, it may just be a simple example designed to solve the OP's question.
@RaghulM If you like. :) I've heard good things about it, and it looks ok to me, although I only had a very brief look at it. It's hard for me to recommend beginner's tutorials: I've been using Python for about 10 years, and programming in various other languages for more than 40 years. :)
Here is a very good article: Facts and myths about Python names and values. It was written by SO veteran Ned Batchelder. It will help you understand the difference between the Python data model and the data model you are familiar with in C.
 
11:12 AM
@PM2Ring Thanks!!!
 
 
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2:10 PM
@RaghulM https://www.codecademy.com/learn/python
https://www.hackerrank.com/domains/python/py-introduction
code academy is good if you want classroom type of learning and if you are interested in competitive programming then hacker rank is good
 
Looks like code academy still teaches Python 2
 
How unfortunate.
 
2:29 PM
is it wise to use threads for serving > 5k concurrent users (it's a slack bot, each thread connects to ws and reads for data every sec and process it)
?
 
what is the CPU usage? If the program needs multiple CPU use multiprocessing, if it not bound to CPU threading should be fine
 
i dont think its much cpu intensive, its all network bound
@JGreenwell
 
I meant that you should check the CPU usage to determine that: if it gets too intensive move to multiprocessing (ie. if you start doing some heavy data, validation, etc.)
 
2:46 PM
multiprocessing execs functions in pools so if i have 50k users, does it mean i have to use 50k pools to serve 50k users ?
 
nerd problem - index finger has band-aid...can't use fancy mac-gestures properly
 
@PM2Ring I love it how OP put the entire alphabet into their example string yet their expected output contains only a-f (as per the suspicion of JRS)
@idjaw middle+ring finger? Or is it something more fancy?
 
it just feels so foreign.
 
if the touch pad is resistive, you can try putting tin foil on your bandaid;)
 
and I have a setting for four finger swipe...which is making things quite challenging
hahah
 
2:54 PM
four finger swipe...
#youdeserveit
> Here’s yet another inventive way for iPad users to avoid touching the Home key. To get back to the home screen at any time, just “pinch” with all five fingers. (If you can’t quite picture how a five-finger pinch works, try this: open your hand about halfway, touch all five fingers on the screen, then slowly pull your fingertips together.)
oh dear
at least crap like this makes me feel exceptionally intelligent
 
this reminds me of the warning in a bathroom I read once: "Warning, hot water is hot"
 
I mean, I can picture how a five-finger pinch works. And there's even a picture! I'm such a winner in life.
@idjaw it's sometimes less trivial ;)
 
oh boy... heheh
 
@Prakhar you said >5k, if your starting to get to >50k then you may want to look at a webserver (like tornado or Flask or...). Otherwise, look at this for examples of how to handle multiprocesses with pools, managers, & queues
Heh. I love that in analysis, if your results are 100% accurate it means you screwed up
 
3:15 PM
@JGreenwell im already using django for dashboard
 
Then are you using Django Channels?
and I never have used Django for async operations (cause it wasn't built for it) so that's all I know about that :)
 
Looking back at the 5 finger pinch - this movement is necessary - its the only physical exercise they get in a day!
rhubarb all
 
3:48 PM
django app only deals with showing data , connecting more services with oauth. the main app uses the python-slackclient library for connecting to ws (its basically a thread which gets invoked for every access token the database has)
sc = SlackClient(token)
if sc.rtm_connect():
    while True:
        response = sc.rtm_read()
        # process response
        time.sleep(1)
its basically this under run method of thread
@JGreenwell
 
4:16 PM
so what is the problem? It seems like you are trying to do some sort of data synchronization - which is a highly dependent operation - and the sleep(1) makes me think you want an asynchronous form. So if your code is working and not eating CPU cycles like their candy - what is the problem? If your asking about creating async communications then look at how this is done through Django and work with this process.
 
problem is, are threads fine for this even when i have to run this for 50k users ?
 
threads are fine when they aren't eating up CPU
does it look like it will eat up CPU - monitor and test it
 
if i need to scale it horizontally how will i do it ? any ideas ? is sharding data going to help ?
4 shards for 100k users, each node will then serve 25k users (meaning 25k access tokens)
 
4:32 PM
a lot of ideas, too many ideas - go try it for a scaled version and when you run into problems come back and ask about those specific problems
 
thank you very much for the help bro. @JGreenwell
 
@idjaw England v Russia match was meh (not including the fans) but I watch the replay on Welsh game - that was awesome :)
 
It is absolutely smashing it down here. So nice.
You weren't one of those hooligans were you @vaultah? You can tell me, I won't snitch you out.
 
not thrilled about football >_>
 
4:49 PM
Same here. The violence is more interesting than the sport.
 
true :p
 
5:27 PM
okay, enough analysis for today. Time to go to that big green and blue room with the really bright light.
rbrb all
 
5:48 PM
@JGreenwell Yeah....It wasn't the most exciting, but it was eye rolling how England managed to fall apart at the end like that. Almost like it was "oh yes...as expected".
England and Russia have been warned that they could be disqualified if their fans continue to behave so violently
 
6:08 PM
I think that'd be good
 
6:27 PM
SO my hero
 
6:39 PM
Apparently the OP has an MSc in "IT"
 
7:13 PM
which is kinda impressive since the college she's claiming doesn't seem to have an MS in IT
 
@JGreenwell that website doesn't look spammy at all
 
It does have MD (Homeopathy) though, so that's good.
 
@RobertGrant flash tags, it has flash tags :)
granted, if it is true that she is going for an MS in IT or ISM, the functional equivalent, then it would make sense she is so poor at Python. Those ISM people always ended up in the entry-level analysis classes for my IS degree (never went beyond) and had no clue how to program and only the barest understanding of data structures
 
:P
Cbg folks
 
cbg!
 
7:26 PM
@idjaw Yeah, I saw that on the Guardian, violence at these games is just nuts this year
 
My kids are sitting so quietly right now. It's amazing. I have to disrupt the quiet by taking them outside. The chaos shall return shortly.
It's been nice hanging out with you, Quiet. Until next time.
 
rbrb idjaw
 
Ha, treasure the Quiet. For he visits so rarely.
 
cheers rbrb! :)
 
and those visits are oh, so short
 
7:29 PM
haha yes....I'm really taking my time getting up and saying those magical words
"OK...outside kids"
 
ah, but by taking them outside we can wear them out allowing more peace for ourselves after bedtime
 
@RobertGrant aaaaah nope nope nope nope nope
 
Oh no, Andras, you took the bait!
;)
 
I wish I had an MS in IT. I could put it next to my MBA.
 
You don't need two doormats, though.
 
7:42 PM
hey guys
i am back. i read all python tutorials. now i try to learn djangoo
my problem is that i cant find mysql connector for 3.5.1
python
1.9.6 djangoo
Error loading MySQLdb module: No module named 'MySQLdb'
DATABASES = {
    'default': {
        'ENGINE': 'django.db.backends.mysql',
        'NAME': 'quizapp',
        'USER': 'root',
        'PASSWORD': '',
        'HOST': '127.0.0.1',
        'PORT': '3306',
    }
}
 
Hi all - I'm creating a python package for maintaining some gcode files for a 3d printer. i'm including these files in my MANIFEST.in using recursive-include. When I install the package, is there a neat path to where these static files are now living?
I want to use the files within other applications and need a way of finding the src path i guess
 
@gtzinos Have you googled this problem?
 
more times my friend..
nothing for 3.5.1.
 
And what did your googling tell you?
 
this connector is for 2.7.1
said : use another language, not for you.
 
7:48 PM
1
A: Error in importing MySQL connector in Python 3.5

Suresh2692Unfortunately there is no mysql-connector available for python3.5. So, you can use pymysql module which is a replacement for mysql-connector package pip install pymysql import pymysql Connection = pymysql.connect(host='hostname', user='username', password='password', db='databas...

I found quite a few different mysql connectors for 3.x.
 
If you google django python 3.5 mysql there are a lot of useful results.
It's a marvellous tool, almost as if it knows about everything on the internet.
 
Not as marvellous as this awful horror movie I'm watching.
I'm thinking of dropping my Netflix sub, just not enough good stuff on it.
 
Never tried it, but i am a luddite.
 
I also saw a new Kaggle competition that's out.
 
Oops, uncapitalised I, hope davidism isn't watching ;)
 
7:56 PM
About predicting stock demand across different stores for different products across Mexico.
 
@JRichardSnape :D
 
BTW gtzinos, I'm going to guess that you might be on Windows - in which case you should be aware of Gohlke's excellent site for finding things to install, especially where you or others have hit compilation issues. lfd.uci.edu/~gohlke/pythonlibs
 
8:09 PM
@JRichardSnape Thank you my friend. !!!
 
No problem
 
i need mysql connector ?
its for a low version of python
 
Don't know, do you?
 
mysql_connector_python-1.2.3-py2-none-any.whl
mysql_connector_python-1.2.3-py3-none-any.whl
mysql_connector_python-2.0.4-py2.py3-none-any.whl
@Ffisegydd please..
 
A MySQL Connector is a general thing, there might be one called mysql-connector but they will also be others.
I have no idea which one you should use.
 
8:11 PM
the problem is that i have python 3.5.1
there are only for 2.0.4
 
Yes, I understand that.
 
@JRichardSnape any idea my friend ?
 
That's not what that means.
2.0.4 is the version number of the connector, not the version number of Python it's used with.
 
oh
ok
 
You'll note that it also says "py2.py3". That usually means it works on the latest Python 2 and 3 versions.
But, again, you'll need to check it yourself.
 
8:14 PM
these files arent executable
how can i use them ?
 
Never said they were.
Have you googled for "Python whl"?
Every time you have a question, please take the time to google and research it yourself, before asking in here.
 
ok men
 
It'll make you a better programmer, increase your knowledge, and prevent you from annoying people in the room with unnecessary questions.
 
@gtzinos after seeing your questions I'm seriously considering withdrawing my application to do IT Engineering at the Alexandrian Technological Institute Of Thessaloniki
 
You could also read the first 4 or 5 lines on Gohlke's page, where he explicitly links to the method for installing wheels. When you're starting out with a new tool, it's really, really likely that the problems you hit will have answers in the official docs.
I'm not going to give you the answer, but - if you Google "django mysql connector", go to the django official docs page that's on the front page and read through, paying special attention to "MySQL notes", you'll find it recommends a particular connector. Which, praise Gohlke, is one of those he has configured for your installation and delight.
 
8:20 PM
oh installed
 
So, @ffisegydd, are you tempted to the stock prediction challenge then?
@gtzinos Great :)
 
one question. i dont use virtual environment. when i use pip i install packages only for this computer ?
 
@JRichardSnape Tempted, yes. But time is an issue. Currently in the process of moving house so have less time in the evenings because I keep on avoiding chores by playing video games.
 
so if i need to move this project to a server i need to reinstall all these packages ?
 
No, you install it for every computer in the world, so make sure you don't download malware!
(Yes you'll need to re-install everything).
 
8:22 PM
haha..
i dont mean this
 
user559633
 
i try to undertand, if i can install a package into this project
standalone..
 
It's generally best practice to supply a list of packages that are needed, and let the user install them themselves.
 
@Ffisegydd I know that feeling (time). Hope you're moving somewhere nice.
 
Don't try to supply the projects in your git repo (or whatever)
@JRS not particularly. Not as nice as the place we're currently in, but has more space (which we need).
I don't think we'll stay there long. I think we'll start looking to buy as we save more money.
 
8:24 PM
Ahh, the old compromise. We might have to do that soon. Bloody kids do keep growing.
 
@Ffisegydd looking to buy now. Depressed, need time machine, or reliable contacts in the building trade. Whichever's easier.
 
user559633
let's buy an apartment complex in hawaii. we can name it "the friends estate, and also tristan lives here"
 
I've got one of those Help To Buy ISAs that give you 25% bonus on completion.
Paying the max of £200 into that a month whilst saving the rest in a normal savings acct.
 
@Ffisegydd link? I haven't heard of that...
Presume they're 1st time buyers only?
 
@Ffisegydd nice
 
8:26 PM
Have to be first time buyer.
 
I'm in the unpleasant age band where I'm too young to buy a reasonably priced house, but too old to use that
 
You deposit max of £200 per month and then when you buy you get an extra 25% for your deposit.
 
That only works if you've never bought a house before, right?
 
@Robert from next year you can get one that is aimed at retirement, where the 25% is every year.
And indeed yes, first time buyers only.
 
8:28 PM
<middle aged moan> Prices are ridiculous at the moment </middle aged moan>
I blame the Welsh
 
They predict that prices are going to drop soon for the first time in a while.
 
user559633
why, did they welsh on their debts?
 
If you're middle aged you have things very nice compared to people in their 30s :)
 
Oi - I'm in my 30s!!
 
I know - that's why that isn't a middle aged moan
 
8:29 PM
I turn 27 within the week.
 
Welcome to 10 years of moaning about house prices ;)
 
A middle aged moan is "I got free university education from my parents' generation, a great pension from my kids' generation, who I rent my properties I bought at a very reasonable price to. Oh wait, I have the easiest ride out of every generation in living memory!"
 
I think prices must drop soon. Dons serious hat The main problem is that people in power and those that Robert refer to above have a strong interest in not allowing the market to "correct"
 
It can only do that if they build loads more houses, which won't happen soon. Keeping up housin - you know what. Read this.
 
user559633
i bet that those homes will consolidate under a land-buying company, even if the market starts to "correct"
 
8:31 PM
Thus breaking the principles that free market is predicated on for this case.
 
Finished my awful horror movie. Spoiler alert: they all die.
 
user559633
Which movie?
 
@RobertGrant Yes - that is part of the vested interest, though. There's not really a problem with building new houses other than protectionism (land and existing prices).
 
"The Gallows"
 
Also - people are ageing so there's millions of single 60+ year olds in 3 bed+ houses.
 
8:32 PM
@Ffisegydd lol
That's a pretty malfunctioning gallows if everyone dies
 
Argh, I'm going to get myself wound up. What is it you say @tristan? turning Left...
 
user559633
@JRichardSnape Yeah, "turning left."
 
user559633
The housing market in great, stable countries is beyond fucked.
 
@JRichardSnape They should bring in the UltraBedroomTax where people are tax'd for empty bedrooms, even when they own the property.
 
user559633
8:33 PM
Yeah, it's need to pay for things you already own.
 
"YOU WILL HAVE BOARDERS!"
 
Cue bedrooms being reclassified as anything but bedrooms
 
@Ffisegydd said the bedroom pirate.
 
user559633
I love taxes. I believe the government makes excellent use of my money and spends it on things I care about.
 
@Ffisegydd more like REPEL BOARDERS
 
8:34 PM
Kevin'd.
 
user559633
@RobertGrant If Brexit, more like REPEL BORDERS
 
Yes, we set Dover from Suck to Blow.
 
Repel boarders at the borders, said IDS, clutching a stout stick.
 
Ooof
Hmmm, I am also turning left from a hypothecated tax discussion. Now I'm facing back the way I came from.
 
8:37 PM
Should have gone right.
 
user559633
That's actually part of why I feel comfortable bootstrapping a startup -- my taxes are hilariously high and spent on things I don't care about or want to exist, and it's pointless to try to become "pretty well off", so I might as well do what I want
 
Ha - you know I never turn Right, Fizzy ;)
 
:D
3 lefts make a right, luckily Jezza C is actually 20 lefts.
 
@tristan why is being pretty well off pointless?
 
user559633
 
8:38 PM
That is ridiculous - we were talking about that today
 
he might have meant hopeless
 
@tristan I do agree with most of that, TBH.
My taxes aren't hilariously high, but apart from that.
 
user559633
@RobertGrant because housing corporations will outbid and agglomerate available housing stock in my price range, so making more money means paying a higher tax rate, which means diminishing return on reward for hard work.
 
(hard work is the worst kind)
 
True that. Easy work is much better for the soul.
 
8:40 PM
I think employers should give increases that are net of standard income tax
 
user559633
work and earn more, but not be in the income bracket to outright afford the things you want or get fancy accountants? what's the point to some degree
 
You get pretty philosophical pretty quick down that line.
 
user559633
as an american, if i don't pay a private corporation for health insurance, i have to pay a penalty to the government. i paid in over > 50k in taxes last year.
 
Yeah I probably agree. A guy at work just spent loads of money on a reasonably nice sporty car, and while it was cool to go and see it, seemed a totally pointless thing to have saved for years to do.
 
It's quite fun, though. I thought that - took an 80% pay cut, did a PhD. Still survivin'.
 
8:42 PM
@tristan is that penalty to pay for state medical insurance?
 
@tristan 50k in taxes!!
 
user559633
over. i don't want to reveal how much i made.
 
user559633
@RobertGrant not sure. but to avoid it, i'd have to pay a private corporation for coverage.
 
Fine - not asking you to (although you've kinda ball parked it).
 
@tristan yeah
 
user559633
8:44 PM
sorry, didn't mean it that way, just stating that 50k to establish that i've paid in more than my share to society, yet, if i get sick, i'm screwed. not just griping, using this to establish that if you can't be breakaway rich, what does it really matter -- you're just a piece of the machine
 
I guess the main difference in people is whether you believe that it's impossible for the political system to work in a way that spends taxes in ways you're happy with or not.
 
Doubt it, "donate all my taxes to cats" isn't on any party's manifesto.
 
@tristan I guess it depends on how many generations you go back to see whether your entire life and history have been paid for
 
I don't even know how much I pay in taxes.
 
I don't mind tax, even high levels, but I'm pretty unhappy with a lot of how they're spent. But I guess I believe that it's possible to change that. Although some recent interactions with the state in my personal life have severely rocked that faith.
 
user559633
8:46 PM
the american political system is designed to run for corporate backers on faux outrage, with a set of experts in society knowing how to game it.
 
I can't really complain, given the customer I work at full-time is 100% gov funded
 
@tristan That's the bit I agree with. There's "life is hard poor", "breakaway rich" and the rest. Where you are in the rest is largely irrelevant.
 
user559633
@RobertGrant why would i go back generations? i can't take credit for anything i didn't do, and i also won't shoulder the blame
 
@tristan Not just American, for sure.
 
Because when you were sent to private school, the opportunity to pay for that is based on previous generations
Unless there's a student loan system over there for pre-uni schooling
 
user559633
8:49 PM
@RobertGrant What, no. My parents paid for schooling. I paid my own way through college. I don't owe "society" anything. There's no generational credit or debt anyone is owed.
 
Woo student loans.
 
user559633
which is kind of to my point of why i don't see a point in being in the middle of the system. it's not designed to benefit the people that make it work; it's designed to be fueled by them. back to where this forked off, being in the middle means that unless you're very rich or very poor, housing in desirable areas will drive your decisions
 
Presumably you've driven on one or two roads in your life your taxes wouldn't have fully covered, and you haven't been invaded by a foreign power. Are you counting the funding of those huge benefits in your balance sheet?
There may even be others.
 
user559633
@RobertGrant The roads are paid out and funded to a point that we make more than we need just to give our population something to do. Danger zone on politics, but ibid military exercise.
 
user559633
And good luck anyone hoping to invade US. We will wreck you and your geographic region for decades.
 
8:55 PM
Yeah, and they manage that without people paying taxes. Pretty amazing.
 
Damn straight, due to all those taxes.
 
user559633
Federally funded: "Glaciers, gender, and science
A feminist glaciology framework for global environmental change research"
 
user559633
We're beyond the point of paying taxes for border protection and infrastructure.
 
So they all run for free on magical fairy dust?
 
user559633
We actually underspend on infrastructure and overspend on grants, benefits for corporations, extra-national projects.
 
user559633
8:57 PM
No, of course not. But that could be done with far lower tax rates for people that aren't super poor or super rich, which is my thesis here.
 
I'm just saying this to stop you moving to Louisville, Kentucky and living in a trailer, smug in the knowledge that you don't spend a cent on anything that might raise the bar for general provision of services and opportunity for everyone born now. Thankfully many people didn't think that way when they were constructing the services and opportunities that allowed you and your ancestors to prosper.
Surely you'd lower taxes for the super poor before yourself?
 
user559633
@RobertGrant No, because they can use those services. And you literally cannot exist in the US without paying money unless you decide to become homeless.
 
user559633
Gross.
 
But tax-free
 
8:59 PM
Turning right, going to bed.
 
user559633
Yes, if you eat dirt and live in a cardboard box, you can avoid taxes in the US. Mostly.
 
user559633
I'd rather the super poor pay 80% taxes, but have their needs taken care of, than have everyone in the middle pay 70% and the very poor pay 30%. There's a role of personal agency that's removed in these discussions to the extent that it becomes parroted that the poor are somehow more virtuous.
 
Worth mentioning that no-one's saying that here.
 
user559633
I was responding to this 'Surely you'd lower taxes for the super poor before yourself?'
 
That's nothing to do with them being virtuous
 
user559633
9:01 PM
Why should their tax rates drop?
 
Why should anyone's?
 
user559633
Oh, because land costs, relative freedom, and agglomeration of housing stock. If you decrease the capital utility of the employed-working class, it leads to polarizing effects on towns/cities.
 
user559633
And, at some point, people just give up on the system, and we have market and housing crashes.
 
user559633
Or maybe I'm way off base, but I doubt it.
 
So, to reduce said polarizing effects, would you decrease superpoor taxes before wealthy middle class taxes?
Argh heartburn. Where did you come from?
 
user559633
9:14 PM
No. I would keep the super-poor taxes even or raise them, due to the group's utilization of government services and tendency to make poor fiscal choices. "Wealthy middle class" is an oxymoron.
 
By pretty much any standard we have, all but America's very poorest are wealthy beyond belief
 
user559633
Yes, the rich, but in debt.
 
user559633
But I believe most of that to be the fault of personal choices. I was only talking about taxation.
 
user559633
When you take federal, state, and local income taxes into account (before even property, excise, transportation, sales, etc) for services received, that's the realm I was talking about.
 
I did hear about a country that had taxes but the wealthy middle classes, such as doctors, paid far less tax after their accountants had finished
I must visit Greece while everything's really cheap
 
user559633
9:22 PM
In the US, you need to have "fuck you money" or connections to get away with that.
 
user559633
e.g. Obama paid some amount under 20% in federal taxes last year, which means there's ability to play the game if you have the time or money to figure out how.
 
user559633
oh well :)
 
Heh impressive
I'm pretty sure he gave his nobel peace prize money to support reconstruction in syria, so that makes up for it
Coffcoff
 
user559633
Yeah, I'm sure he did.
 
user559633
It's impossible not to be completely cynical about the political machine.
 
9:37 PM
I follow South African politics. This is all very, very tame :)
 
user559633
What a shitshow of a country.
 
No it's cool :) You just don't take anything for granted when you live there.
Perhaps our Great Work could be a fully automated, transparently audited system of government
 
user559633
Joking about that will get you drone striked. Or disappeared.
 
11:05 PM
So, learning python a bit and was trying to install something with pip (pip install pocketsphinx) and I got a large red error See Gist Here
 

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