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Q: What does opening a file actually do?

jrammIn all programming languages (that I use at least), you must open a file before you can read or write to it. But what does this open operation actually do? Manual pages for typical functions dont actually tell you anything other than it 'opens a file for reading/writing': http://www.cplusplus....

Fantastic close/reopen war there.
 
1:28 AM
that's certainly interesting
 
I think part of the problem is that it was mistagged, and another part of the problem is that there aren't any good tags for it. It might belong on Superuser or something.
at the very least.
 
1:50 AM
@TigerhawkT3 that fits perfectly, why not edit it yourself as you came up with it
i was just about to
 
Done.
 
:)
 
 
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3:01 AM
Ooooo it's one vote away from its second reopen.
 
 
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4:47 AM
@TigerhawkT3 Done.
 
*sigh*
 
and 1 close vote already.
 
5:43 AM
How can stackoverflow favorites be organized?
 
CBG all
@vaultah congrats on gold badge :-)
 
Thank you :p
 
6:04 AM
@CSᵠ THE SAGA CONTINUES!
I was just at the grocery store buying food. While ringing up the food, the cashier asked me, "what are you going to make with it?"
 
"a bomb" is my fav answer to that
 
"...Food. I'm... gonna eat it."
Granted, I did buy nearly $50 worth of candy corn.
This was part 2 of the story. Part 1 is here.
 
wow! you must have a hell of a sweet tooth
 
Well, as you'll see above, I went there yesterday and they were like "no we sold out of all candy on the 31st. All the candy. It is gone."
 
so... how much did you but for 50?
 
6:10 AM
So I was just there again today buying bread and I saw some little kiosk in the back with all the leftover Halloween stuff that they said didn't exist, so I exacted a horrible and beautiful vengeance upon them by buying 33 pounds of candy corn.
It was under 10 cents an ounce. Even the "cheap" candy is generally at least 15/oz.
If they had said they had some yesterday I wouldn't have bought nearly as much.
Now I can have a couple ounces a day until next Halloween.
 
@TigerhawkT3 what tha .........
 
rotten rotten tooth decay
your dentist must be thrilled to have you as a regular :))
 
Pretty much.
Let's just say I envy the shark's dental model.
 
well.. xmas is comming, maybe you can hang some of that... umm... everywhere around your house
 
6:16 AM
My family would look at me funny if I hung up xmas decorations.
 
you have to lose 30 pounds mate, gotta start somewhere
 
And, like I said, I'm gonna eat it, ADLADLADLADL.
I don't think I can lose 30 pounds. 10 or 20 will probably be enough after the 50 I lost last year.
 
no waaay, 50 pounds of candy corn???
:)
 
Well, I'm not gonna eat it all tonight.
And no, 50 pounds of fat.
I got a desk job and gained 10 pounds then went "OH NOES" and changed my diet and exercise.
 
fat is good, just not body fat
 
6:20 AM
50 pounds of chow mein, then.
 
same, but gained nearly 20
beer must have helped a lot
 
Yeah, beer will do that. My buddy cut out beer (went gluten-free) and lost a bunch of weight.
 
google search seems stoopider with each day passing...
 
Its results are a reflection of the most common searches people run.
In other words, "it's not me, it's them!".
There are parts 2, 3, and 4 which are also good.
 
they got lost on the way somewhere in the past, and keep on going forward even if they know they're lost
 
6:26 AM
In what way are they lost?
 
there's too much crap to sift on the 1st results page
seo experts messed the web up
the fight went from "delivering best result" to "fighting seo-ed content better"
 
In the same way that a computer with viruses means that firewall/antivirus is screwed up. :(
That's the problem; now everyone's trying to build a bigger ladder.
 
not really the best analogy
 
> My plan is to set my watch alarm to wake me up periodically, and each time it wakes me up, I find the person with the lowest number, knock them unconscious, and steal their ticket.
wtg!
 
6:42 AM
Raymond Chen's pretty cool. It's kind of unfortunate that some of his blog entries have pretty high requirements (C++, win32 API, etc.). Still, good stuff.
I gotta rbrb for a bit.
 
rbrb
 
6:53 AM
I think I might have drank the docker coolaid
 
I have heard good things. I would try it myself but it all seems to be paid
 
 
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8:32 AM
Close/Reopen Battle Thread has 3 close votes right now. I wonder if it'll manage the other 2 tomorrow?
 
8:52 AM
I would cast a vote but I don't understand the Java stuff.
 
9:24 AM
@vaultah - If I had to post my answer along with the explanation, (which would've taken a bit longer) someone else could have answered it in the mean time. — Jason Estibeiro 4 mins ago
Best excuse I've seen so far.
 
Cbg
 
cabbage
 
cbg Ian, cabbage IntrepidBrit
 
How's today treating everyone?
 
9:45 AM
I have candy corn.
 
My condolences
Candy corn doesn't look appetising (after a quick google), but I suppose most sweets don't unless you grew up with it
 
10:01 AM
I wanted some for Halloween.
I went to the store yesterday for their leftovers, and they said they sold out on the 31st.
Went there again a few hours ago looking for bread, and I saw a full shelf of Halloween stuff!
So naturally I bought 33 pounds of candy corn.
 
10:18 AM
o0
 
I'm gonna be eating candy corn PAST JULY.
 
Has diabetes been your life goal for awhile now? :P
Besides, won't they go mank disgusting after a few months?
 
The Internet says they keep for a year.
 
Sorted then!
 
I am one with candy.
Now, Pez, on the other hand... that stuff loses its luster after only several packs.
 
10:34 AM
Hey Tiger :)
 
Hi!
 
Your username makes me imagine some call of duty kind of character :D
 
@TigerhawkT3 I never imagined this :(
 
Do you need a cooler picture?
Rockin'.
 
10:46 AM
@TigerhawkT3 poker face
now you're turning into the likes of a transformer
 
Thank you!
 
11:34 AM
cabbage
 
12:03 PM
cabbage!
 
12:19 PM
Yet another question screaming out for the old "Lacks minimal understanding" close reason: stackoverflow.com/questions/33521540/…
 
/closed
 
But at least they admit they're clueless... as if it wasn't obvious. :)
 
@PM2Ring they edited their code, originally there were two double quotes around the second strptime method. But the error message still didn't match what should have been a syntax error instead of a value error.
either way I couldn't re-produce either with their code
 
Ah, right. Yep, that's definitely a syntax error... unless the inner double-quotes were some fancy Unicode quotes.
 
a mystery we'll probably never unravel. But maybe it's for the best. :)
 
@idjaw :) FWIW, my Unicode guess can't be right: their error message says Python 2.6, but Python 2.6 datetime.strptime won't accept Unicode strings. But it works ok if you encode the Unicode to UTF-8.
@idjaw I'm so tempted to comment; "There's no explanation: it works by magic".
 
snakeoil magic
hehe
At first maybe I was thinking they wanted the {} around the word but they didn't word their question properly. But no. It was what it was
also, I'm not crazy right? What I commented is what they are trying to do right? stackoverflow.com/questions/33522432/…
 
12:57 PM
Looks good to me.
 
I just really needed to double check if there was no magical something underneath that question I did not see.
 
Understood. Also, it's a pain reading sloppily formatted JSON. But I guess it could be worse.
 
I'm trying to re-calibrate my frequency of sending out tags in chat. When would it be a good call to send a delete answer tag?
 
1:17 PM
Maybe just ask people to take a look at it, rather than recommending deletion. IMHO, calling for a deletion vote on an answer is a last-resort measure, when commenting and down-voting aren't enough.
 
Well apparently this exists, so that answers my question
 
@corvid It's not fast, and it doesn't do much, but it's handy when you just want to chuck a document at the default browser.
 
That's pretty much my goal, nothing too fancy
 
Cbg all
 
@corvid, here's my crack at the thing from yesterday. I only got as far as identifying all valid key sequences. I decided that I didn't actually understand how your replacement function ought to work.
 
1:29 PM
Ooo, that actually makes a lot of sense, thank you kevin!
 
So I only did half of what was required, and you might have a working implementation already, and you probably wanted a JS solution and not Python, and I used yield which is pretty hard to port to languages that don't use yield... Oh well, you get what you pay for ;-)
 
Any solution works, really, because it's more of a conceptual problem than a language-specific problem. And I think that es6 does have something like "yield" that's pretty handy
Also, this is my new favorite python script I wrote in a few minutes:
import sys
import webbrowser
import urllib
query = " ".join(sys.argv[1:]).encode('utf-8')
webbrowser.open_new_tab('http://www.google.com/search?q={}'.format(query))
 
Hello
 
Googling... There's yield, but only Chrome and Firefox support it.
I find that the MDN documentation is more like JavaScript fanfiction than actual JavaScript.
It's what mozilla wishes the world was like, but isn't.
 
Million dollar idea: JavaScript slash fic
 
1:37 PM
it's usually something like "look at this thing that's exactly what you want! ... but it only works in Node and Chrome. Good luck!"
 
A Java/JavaScript pairing would be like, forbidden love but it's not actually forbidden since they discover they aren't related by blood.
See also: the cousins from Arrested Development, or any number of skeezy Japanese comics.
Speaking of million dollar ideas: a service that helps you get a good price when purchasing a car. You hire a consultant for the day and he pretends to be your hardass uncle/cousin/whatever, haggling with the dealer in your stead.
His commission is equal to some fraction of the amount of money he saves you.
 
@idjaw It looks like you have another happy customer. FWIW, I spent a couple of minutes looking for a good dupe target for that question, but it's hard to find one that basic. :)
 
The principal obstacle may be corruption: what if the dealership bribes your advocate by an amount proportional to how much he doesn't save you? If the dealer's rate is better than yours, then the advocate will do no haggling and you'll pay sticker price for the vehicle.
I suppose you could then raise your rate... Then a bidding war would ensue, and stabilize at you paying 100% of the difference between cost and sticker price to the advocate.
So there's really not much point. Never mind.
 
2:04 PM
any pil(low) experts here?
any idea how to do this the speediest:
I have a bitmap of text of proportional font, with white and black pixels, in one row
I need to segment the bitmap into characters, each separated by white bands.
but I have 300 000 samples so I'd rather not spend one second on each :P
 
Wow. Raymond Hettinger just answered a quicksort question
 
baseline is to do n² for-loop and check pix[x, y]
 
I wonder if it would be more efficient to call img.tostring / img.tobytes, separate the data into rows, struct.pack each one into an integer, then AND all of them together to identify all pure-white columns.
No idea if that would be any faster than regular pix access.
It's still O(width*height) but may have a constant speedup
OTOH, checking pix has fail-fast behavior since you can move to the next column the instant you find a black pixel. And I'm assuming the bitmap is fairly dense with text, so on average I'd expect to only check one third of any given column.
Perhaps you can improve time-to-failure by checking pixels with a y value similar to the y value of the last black pixel you found, and then moving outwards. It's better than just iterating from y=0 to y=height, since I'd expect the bitmap to have a margin of white space which is very unlikely to contain text.
 
@PM2Ring I tried looking this up too and the answers I keep finding have a loop in all of them. Can't find a decent one that is just a simple direct assignment.
 
@idjaw Or they want to insert a new key: value pair somewhere into the data, or they're more focused on the JSON <-> Python dict conversion, or ... :)
 
2:16 PM
    for x in range(w):
        black = not all(pix[x, y] for y in range(h)):
these are indeed 14 bits tall, I wonder if I convert them to bitmap then rotate, can PIL give me 8-bit bytes easily?
 
@PM2Ring Looks like we need a new target category when it gets this basic: RTFM
:P
 
I need to also label the stuff so it'd be better this way too
 
Antti, is your data in a Numpy array?
 
I'm not sure how tobytes works if you have an L mode file. I think it packs eight pixels per byte, but it might do something stupid like have a "0" or "1" character per pixel.
 
@Kevin 1 pixel per byte, as an unsigned 8 bit value, 0 - 255.
 
2:20 PM
@PM2Ring it is an image originally
L file is grayscale
 
Pardon me. I meant a 1 mode file.
 
shit thing happens: when I search anything using google
I will invariably get results only from SO :D
 
Ah but effbot says it's still one pixel per byte even then.
That's struct.pack out the window, then
 
I was playing around with PIL's "1" mode a few hours ago, in response to a (now-deleted) question about reading a raw image from a Numpy array into PIL. It kinda seems like it's one bit per pixel, but I couldn't figure it out.
 
>>> from PIL import Image
>>> len(Image.new("1", (10,10)).tobytes())
20
 
I did not expect this output.
I'd expect either 100, if it's one byte per pixel; or 13, if it's one bit per pixel and rounding up to the next whole byte.
 
tobytes I guess
 
@AnttiHaapala Just searched for an issue I had and found a question I forgot I had asked and your answer, thanks so much! stackoverflow.com/questions/29024007/disable-dsusp-in-python
 
@Thomas watermelon
 
>>> len(Image.new("1", (1,4)).tobytes())
4
>>> len(Image.new("1", (4,1)).tobytes())
1
Uhhhh.
Oh, maybe it's math.ceil(width / 8.0) * height? Does that make sense?
So each row gets padded with bits so that the first pixel of each row is byte-aligned.
 
2:28 PM
yes
ofc
but that works :P
 
Good enough for my wacky struct.pack plan.
 
if it is padded properly
but I cannot find the documentation for different encoders
 
lol, this got reopened again
 
Yeah, documentation is patchy, as is the way of effbot.
 
@Thomas at least it was a question...
@Thomas not an answer :P that happened to me... I was looking for a solution to my issue, then found a perfect answer on SO, thought I'd upvote it, but SO said I cannot upvote my own answers.
 
2:32 PM
@AnttiHaapala Yeah I immediately tried to upvote and then saw it was mine
 
@Kevin see how the "tobytes" says that you need to specify the arguments :D:D
and where are the damned arguments documented
 
Nowhere, apparently.
I've only ever used the zero argument form.
 
Joy, documentation via mailing list.
 
Help on method tobytes in module PIL.Image:

tobytes(self, encoder_name='raw', *args) method of PIL.Image.Image instance
    Return image as a bytes object

    :param encoder_name: What encoder to use.  The default is to
                         use the standard "raw" encoder.
    :param args: Extra arguments to the encoder.
    :rtype: A bytes object.
 
2:39 PM
@PM2Ring that is no documentation :D
not in PILLOW though, so that's it for the friendliness
 
@AnttiHaapala No, it's just a docstring. And I agree it's not very helpful.
 
W-T-F.
I rotate 270, and .show(), and the image is a square???
or ... the image.rotate() rotates the image data in the canvas ...
 
show() has never worked on either of my machines, so I immediately distrust it as a debugging tool.
Recently I've written a little standalone GUI that constantly displays the most up-to-date version of whatever image it's pointed at.
Windows Media Viewer is supposed to auto-update in this way, but 80% of the time does not.
 
@Kevin the image dimensions are kept
from PIL import Image
im = Image.open("bride.jpg")
im.rotate(45).show()
so this does not work as you'd expect
 
I see. So it doesn't expand/contract to fit?
 
2:47 PM
good grief
in python stdlib we have all sorts of shit for dealing with AIFF wave files
and nothing for bitmaps
 
I think there's an argument to modify that behavior... Try expand=True
But then, I'd expect a 100x50 image to become a 100x100 image, if we're strictly interpreting "expand"
 
The expand argument, if true, indicates that the output image should be made large enough to hold the rotated image. If omitted or false, the output image has the same size as the input image.
but I just want to get the 270 deg rotated pic
 
FWIW, several years ago I wrote code that (sort of) does the reverse of what you want: it renders a text file into a PBM bitmap using proportional font data from a fairly compact but basic font file format that only handles 7 bit ASCII. I wrote it so I could use a small digital photo frame as a primitive but compact (and cheap) e-book. :)
 
You could manually create a blank image of the desired dimensions, and then paste the rotated image in.
 
Transpose image (flip or rotate in 90 degree steps)
.transpose
 
2:50 PM
Oh, I didn't know that existed.
Makes sense though, since transposition can be calculated much faster than rotation about an arbitrary angle.
 
now enlarge the x14 image to x16 :P
 
I wonder if you can crop an image so it's larger than it originally was.
 
Is there a shorter way to reverse each element of a list than map(reversed, my_list)?
 
In terms of characters? Efficiency?
 
Since Morgan frequents the Code Golf site, I just assume by default that he wants the fewest characters.
 
2:55 PM
Yup.
 
10
Q: In Python, Python Image Library 1.1.6, how can I expand the canvas without resizing?

MetaHyperBolicI am probably looking for the wrong thing in the handbook, but I am looking to take an image object and expand it without resizing (stretching/squishing) the original image. Toy example: imagine a blue rectangle, 200 x 100, then I perform some operation and I have a new image object, 400 x 300...

 
If only you could do map([::-1], my_list)...
map(functools.partial(slice, (None, None,-1)), my_list). Not exactly short.
 
@Kevin operator module
map(itemgetter(slice(None, None, -1)) ,my_list)
but I'd rather have the compose operator
so I could do map(list @ reverse, my_list)
 
But at that point you're back to map(reversed, my_list).
 
Hello all, how to convert ansible inventory file into json using python
 
3:09 PM
    b = image2.convert('1').tobytes('raw', '1', 0, 1)
@MorganThrapp not on python 3
and sorry: list @ reversed
 
@AnttiHaapala I'm doing it in 3 right now.
 
@kohi you've already asked that question on the main site, why do you re-ask it in chat?
 
Getting error while using this code — kohi 41 mins ago
Really useful feedback, good work.
 
I thought I pasted error I was getting.
But I haven't received my solution yet
 
@kohi put that in your original post. Putting it in the comments it not helpful.
 
@kohi then you'll have to wait
 
sorry mistook it for the error ...
yeah you cannot parse it using the configparser
I am not sure if ansible even uses that format of ini file you describe?
how to convert an integer to a list of 0, 1, bits (python 3)
I guess list(map(int, bin(v)))
 
That's how I would do it, yeah.
 
list(map(int, bin(v)[2:]))
Because of the 0b prefix
 
yeah but it is also shortest possible...
 
3:26 PM
@AnttiHaapala The Ansible docs say it's an INI-like format. I'm not very familiar with INI files, but I didn't think they could have multiple space-separated fields like that.
 
'{:32b}'.format(i)
 
Oh, cool
 
DSM
python perl awk sed gawk <- way to make a language choice..
Morning cabbage, all.
 
cbg DSM
 
3:33 PM
Morning, DSM. How come you gave gawk a lower priority than awk?
 
DSM
@PM2Ring: heh, oops. I didn't mean "that's the order in which to choose", I meant "wow, this guy can't decide on a language!"
 
@DSM Ah, right. :)
I still like to write in (g)awk every now & then, just so I don't forget it. And for simple line-based text processing it's noticeably faster than Python.
 
DSM
I should probably know more than I do. I always have to google to remind myself how the field separators work.
 
@PM2Ring agreed. I've opted to do some search and replace in files using awk from Python. Also because it was much shorter to write as well.
 
"I should probably know more than I do" accurately describes my life.
 
3:43 PM
how to convert bytes to hex, python 3
(str)
 
@DSM I mostly use the default whitespace field splitting, or "split on every char" mode you get with an empty string for FS, like this one I wrote the other day for U&L. It's not as compact as the sed offering by mikeserv, but it's a hell of a lot more readable. :)
 
@AnttiHaapala I don't know the "official" way to do it, but I do:
>>> s = b"hello"
>>> "".join("{:X}".format(ord(c)) for c in s)
'68656C6C6F'
Or, wait, does that properly zero-pad hex values with ordinal value less than 16?
Better make that {:02X}.
 
binascii.hexlify
 
>>> import binascii
>>> binascii.hexlify(b'hello')
'68656c6c6f'
 
Pfft who uses non builtin functions anymore
 
3:51 PM
Yup, format(int.from_bytes(b'hello', 'big'), 'x') should be faster
 
Don't forget to add zero padding if your input is something like b'\0\0\0\0abc'
 
@vaultah But doesn't that have to convert the byte string to an int and then back to a string? I assume hexlify can do it in one pass.
 
DSM
@PM2Ring: is that really the test data you used?
 
Okay, for small byte strings Ignore me
 
@DSM Yes. I generated in Python. :)
 
DSM
3:56 PM
@PM2Ring: doesn't look like there are as many rows as there are rows of output. Or am I missing something?
 
It's grep-like in that it only prints a report for rows that contain a punctuation mark.
 
DSM
Ah, no, it looks like you've doubled up the file.
 
@DSM Yikes! Good catch. I was testing that it worked properly when given multiple files on the command line. And it looks like I pasted the wrong output. Oops! I better fix that...
Thanks, @DSM!
 
later afternoon cbg all
 
hey Jon
 
DSM
4:05 PM
@PM2Ring: can't upvote 'cause I'm not on U&L, but works for me. :-) FWIW I don't think the Python version (not supporting multiple file inputs 'cause I'm hardcody and lazy) looks too bad-- here.
 
@DSM how scroogy - just create an account and get the assoc. bonus :p
 
DSM
Uh oh, called out by puppy moderator!
 
haha... nah, you're fine, I'm django'ing rather than mod'ing... so far, so good I think
 
@DSM That looks fine. FWIW, you can occasionally get away with posting Python on U&L but they generally prefer Bash, awk, sed, and Perl.
Fortunately, there are plenty of Bash experts available to explain why doing text processing in Bash itself is generally a bad idea. Apart from the nightmares due to unexpected word-splitting etc if you don't know what you're doing, there's the issue of efficiency: the Bash read command is unbuffered and does a system call for each character read.
 
DSM
Seriously? Wow. Didn't actually know that.
 
4:15 PM
There's some great info about the inner working of Bash & other shells on U&L - Stéphane Chazelas, the guy who found & fixed the Bash Shellshock bug is a regular. And plenty of other Bash experts hang out there, too.
 
GraphGraphGraphGraph!
 
How's it going cherubs?
 
I just scored an accept on SE.Mathematics. Yay! math.stackexchange.com/q/1511567/207316
@Ffisegydd September is now into its 3rd month.
 
Huzzah. Eventually it'll be October and no one will know what to do with themselves...
 
4:26 PM
Math.se seems pretty active
 
DSM
They get even more homework questions than we do.. although they mind them less. :-)
 
@vaultah It's quite busy, especially if you view the front page (like I do). You get a ridiculously huge range of stuff there, though, from basic high school level through to incomprehensible post-grad stuff, all mixed together. I guess I should start choosing tags to follow, but the eclectic mix is kinda fun.
 
I should do more maths. I did a surprisingly small amount in my PhD.
 
@DSM OTOH, Math.se homework questions seem to be more prone to self-vandalism than SO homework questions.
 
Yup, but the community restore them quickly
 
4:33 PM
Of course.
 
What's the canonical dupe for "How do I write to a file?"
 
DSM
If I've had more self-confidence (or liked astronomy less :-) I'd have gone into math. I was always worried I wouldn't be able to prove anything, but I knew that in the sciences I could get something out.
 
@MorganThrapp mail them a pen?
 
@jonrsharpe Heh. It's for the question you just commented on.
 
They call it a "notepad document", so that works even better!
 
4:35 PM
@Ffisegydd Maye you should browse through John Baez's proto-blog This Week's Finds in Mathematical Physics - there's all sorts of interesting things in there.
 
@PM2Ring that's very cool, I will save the link.
 
DSM
I learned category theory from Baez! Well, say rather that such category theory as I know, I learned from him. :-)
(And, for anyone who might be curious: he's her nephew.)
 
No idea who Joan Baez is.
 
Which is of course a hugely sensationalized title, but still interesting
By "confirm" they mean "haven't yet been able to deny"
 
@DSM Cool! Actually, John is Joan's cousin, but she's old enough to be his aunt. Joan's dad Albert was also a physicist (and inventor of the X-ray microscope), and he had a big influence on John getting interested in physics.
@Kevin Ah. You had me going for a minute there. That thing's crazy. :)
 
DSM
4:50 PM
@PM2Ring: He's described her as his aunt on his website. Gimme a sec..
 
From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Baez#Family His physicist uncle, Albert Baez (inventor of the X-ray microscope and father of singer and progressive activist Joan Baez), interested him in physics as a child.[7]
 
At least making a concerted effort to disprove the thing, without actually disproving the thing, indicates that the thing isn't being caused by something obvious and dumb.
"Carl left his coffee cup on top of the drive, which accounts for the extra downward force" or some such.
 
DSM
@PM2Ring: yeah, I see that. I swear I'm not making up the aunt thing, though.. I can find it, he said desperately..
Aaargh, I think I see my mistake: "Here's my mother Phyllis along with my aunt Joan Baez Sr. (mother of the famous singer)" -- his aunt has the same name as his cousin!
 
We're not judging you (we are).
 
I trust DSM's word enough to assume that any discrepancy between him and recorded history is on account of the Mandela Effect.
 
DSM
4:54 PM
.. eh?
 
You've fallen through a portal in spacetime and now reside in a universe where Joan is John's aunt, although in your original universe, she was his cousin.
 
@Kevin True. But even if it does work it can't work how the EmDrive people claim it does, or physics is broken. I can't remember the details, though.
 
Or the other way around. I haven't been paying attention to this conversation.
 
@DSM Fair enough.
Wiki says "Their design principles are not supported by prevailing scientific theories, and they apparently violate the law of conservation of momentum."
 
@PM2Ring Doesn't matter to me how it works, as long as we can strap energy-to-thrust engines on a shuttle and get to Alpha Centauri by next tuesday.
 
DSM
4:58 PM
I'll bet heavily against the EmDrive. I should visit one of those prop-market sites.
 
Pfft. I've always found the conservation of momentum far too conservative. People should get with the times.
 
DSM
I am admittedly of a traditionalist bent.
 
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