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6:01 PM
need to eat dinner, be up at 1am
if I start watching that, I won't be sleeping - dammit
first world problems
anyway - anyone want some garlic button bread crumbed mushrooms - I appeared to order them by mistake
Also just found: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.A.R.Y.L. - anyone remember that?
 
That was before my time.
 
corny 80s... I love it
 
re-cbg
 
please tell me you've seen ^^^ @Ffisegydd?
 
Seen what?
 
6:11 PM
DARYL?
 
Nope.
 
it's probably how Martijn started out :)
 
haha, henceforth Martijn shall be known as Daryl
 
No .. DARYL will be called Martijn
 
DSM
Does seem simpler that way. We can either change the name of someone we talk about all the time or a movie which gets referenced once every couple of years.
 
6:22 PM
Does anybody have any idea on semantic web and rdf predicates?
 
DSM
Aaargh, why is there no todo app which does exactly what I want it to?
 
@DSM I thought we mostly talked about cabbage?
 
hello
 
wb @ReutSharabani
 
cbg
 
6:27 PM
so, I am refactoring this giant two-module game into sub-modules (or packages). Should I use capital letters in the sub-modules, or lowercase? Because there is Queue which is capital letter first, and then theres unittest which is lowercase...
 
user2555451
You should use lowercase, as stated in PEP 8: python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#package-and-module-names
 
user2555451
Also, you'll notice that Queue was renamed to queue in Python 3.
 
user2555451
Along with a lot of other name fixes, such as Tkinter to tkinter.
 
@iCodez thanks
 
6:43 PM
That reminds me...is tcl or tk required to build Python?
or=and/or
 
heya @poke. I just saw your ping. What's up?
cbg all!
 
cbg
 
user2555451
Tkinter is technically a part of the standard library, but Python could function without it.
 
Thanks. Can it be built without it and tcl?
 
user2555451
6:47 PM
Yes, but you would probably need to do it yourself.
 
Already doing so...wanted to check if that was mandatory
 
@inspectorG4dget It was just RE that question this morning, but nevermind now :)
Wanted to tell you in chat what I later said in comments
 
It was not super well worded. OP was jumping around a little. Of course, it didn't help that all I did was skim the post
 
:D
 
user2555451
6:51 PM
@MonaLisaOverdrive - It depends on what you mean by mandatory. The Python interpreter can function without it, but removing a standard library isn't a good idea. Tkinter is a part of Python just like the other standard modules are.
 
I’m still waiting on a reply by OP to tell me whether I was right..
 
OP doesn't look to be super responsive... much like this guy
 
@iCodez - Hmm. Well, the build env i'm using doesn't have tk or tcl and i'd like to avoid building them unless absolutely necessary
 
alright, apparently my bandwidth can't handly SO right now. Rhubarb all
 
7:08 PM
so, I have a small Flask application, which is working great on a development server, however, I want to run it on a production server (Apache, mod_wsgi <= according to the documentation of Flask). There is one thing I cannot understand now: how is the memory management working? I mean, what if I have a file, which could be written by anybody unless someone has it opened => how will the different "threads" will communicate?
cbg(@Kevin)
 
greetings
 
@Kevin in case you were wondering: [The Interview (2/10), John Wick (1/10), Out of Furnace (4.5/10)] ;)
@davidism at some point if you can take a look at the above question of mine => it would be very much appreciated.. :D
 
I figured The Interview wouldn't be very good
 
user559633
out of the furnace wasn't very good, no. it was boring as an action/fight movie and emotionless and contrived as a drama
 
@tristan exactly..
although the cast was amazing, I mean I love all the actors and actresses from the cast individually
 
7:16 PM
Yesterday I watched The Secret of NIMH because the tv guide gave it three stars. Very nice traditional animation, if weirdly paced. I don't think they even mention NIMH for the first thirty minutes of the film.
 
sadly they couldn't save the film
@Kevin this one?
(never heard of it.. '82.. it is older than me O.O)
 
Wow...John Wick wasn't good?
 
@PeterVaro Yeah
 
user559633
i should become an actor. it pays really well and it's an easy job that anyone can do
 
@MonaLisaOverdrive I think it was terrible -- however, if you are in that kind of mindless action films, with bad acting and a plot contains only holes.. maybe you would love it :P
 
7:19 PM
I think it's one of those professions where most of the wealth is concentrated at the top 0.1% of the skill curve.
 
user559633
"skill"
 
It's like saying "I'll become a writer because JK Rowling is paid really well"
Fine. "right place at the right time" curve.
 
actually acting and writing both are pretty hard things to do
way harder in most of the cases than developing an application for example
 
user559633
you're joking, right?
 
absolutely not
have you tried any of them?
 
user559633
7:22 PM
i've been single, so yes, i've pretended to be someone that i'm not well enough to fool people.
 
I have. Between that and parsing through strace output, I'll take parsing
 
user559633
if i was a professional actor, someone else would even write the lines for me
 
@PeterVaro ask a writer or an actor to develop an application and they won’t be able to do so either.
 
So in Secret of NIMH, the National Institute of Mental Health gives an experimental serum to a couple dozen rats and mice, and they develop human level intelligence and escape into the wild. "Ah", says me, "that explains why the main character can talk". No, it turns out all mice can talk, but they're a bit dim except for aforementioned lab animals. Also, some of them are literally magic.
 
I'd take the current debugging i'm doing over being a professional actor
 
7:23 PM
It’s a different job, but it’s still a job about something you can learn.
 
At which point I say "I think I will stop critically analyzing the plot to this children's movie" and I began to enjoy it much more.
 
@poke that's also very true, however, our jobs are way more repetitive than theirs -- based on analytical knowledge over intuition -- at least as I mentioned: most of the time
 
@tristan - Unfortunately if you were a professional actor you may not get someone to write lines for you
 
That’s your opinion. But writing for example gets very repetitive too.
 
user559633
@MonaLisaOverdrive then i'm even more impressive.
 
7:25 PM
And most stories follow a similar pattern
 
user559633
And not by mistake.
 
actors continuously play the same characters as different characters…
It’s all the same.
Just something different.
 
user559633
the best part is that actors are "typecast" (as in, an action happening to them) as opposed to just having limited range
 
Carpentry is easy. I made a birdhouse in middle school, how much more complicated could an actual house be?
 
user559633
7:26 PM
yes, now imagine that you just need to read and pull some facial expressions
 
Plumbing is just interlocking tubes, shit, I did that in kindergarten.
 
@poke as someone who is working both as a developer and an artist/designer -- although this is still my humble opinion -- development is easier.. maybe easier is not the proper word here.. let me think.. more consistent? easier to relay on it? more predictible?
 
user559633
difference is, there's a tangible measure of whether or not it works
 
@Kevin :D
 
user559633
versus acting, where you can just nicolas cage it for decades
 
user559633
7:29 PM
 
LOL
 
user559633
pictured: harder than writing efficient algorithms
 
very good example.
:)
you know that, I wasn't talking about the shitty Nicolas Cage movies, right?
 
user559633
raising arizona was a good movie and if you disagree, meet me in the alley
 
I'm half expecting this argument to end with "I was just acting like I think that acting isn't harder than programming. Aren't I good at this?"
 
7:31 PM
I'm just saying...I've tried it, it's difficult and i'd prefer doing just about anything else
 
user559633
(where i will try to convince you of its merits away from the noise of the bar)
 
user559633
@Kevin truly i am the puppet master
 
@MonaLisaOverdrive well.. I can be a drama-queen sometime.. but that's all I have :P
 
Indeed, why not manipulate others for one's own amusement on an otherwise slow Monday?
 
user559633
"why not manipulate others for one's own amusement" is generally how i lived my life for a long time, no joke.
 
user559633
7:34 PM
i used to be a crappy person 4 realz
 
user559633
 
Animals shouldn't own animals. For that way madness lies.
 
user559633
my cats just free associate with me in my apartment. there is no ownership or ethical violation
 
Found my first annoyance with the new site design: on the Hot questions sidebar, there's a dead zone on each multi-line link, where nothing happens if you click it.
 
@Kevin agreed. they have to own references to other animals.
 
7:43 PM
If I had a tapeworm, would the tapeworm be mine, or would I be his? Who is possessing who here?
 
user559633
@PeterVaro :D otherwise it's just wasteful and also sort of a head-trip to think about
 
user559633
the tapeworm owns you, per the egg inside of a shell principle
 
user559633
O_O oh god my worldview is coming undone
 
so.. umm.. based on the "egg inside a shell" -- does your car owns you? how 'bout your house?
 
7:46 PM
Only if you eat your car.
 
umm.. does the egg eats its shell?
 
A small help ....
 
Whoohoo, just heard that the Flask app I built served 17 million page views in one month without breaking a sweat.
 
I guess not, but I think some egg-laying species will eat their own shell upon hatching, as it contains valuable protein.
 
94% cache efficiency, baby!
 
7:48 PM
Congrats
 
:-)
 
user559633
@PeterVaro no, the egg is the container for the chicken. the chicken owns its egg. you are inside a car, you own the car
 
@Kevin sure, butterflies and spiders for example, you are right about that
hmm.. anywho.. my download is complete :) I'm going to enjoy my dinner and watching some junk :)
rhubarb(all)
 
user559633
or maybe it's to the outermost layer that is "still you" that sets this policy (e.g. your skin)
 
Can anyone tell what happened to this stackoverflow.com/questions/28032378/…
 
7:50 PM
Deleted by the OP
 
It was a fun question
Or a fun fact
(to be more precise)
 
OP's last comment was "Fine. I guess I'll vote for deletion." so I guess he thought your comment was saying "this isn't a question, so it doesn't belong here"
 
But it truly didn't belong here ;)
 
Although to my eyes, it does look like a question, even though there's no question mark
Implicitly asking, "[how can I] attach an app instance to a method so that it returns the method and allows the parent application to continue running[?]"
 
Does that mean I vandalized that poor guy?
 
I don't think your comment was out of line. I guess he's just sensitive.
 
DSM
Wow, go away for lunch and miss Cage movie posters.
 
I really feel sad for sensitive guys ...
 
user559633
there's a lesson there
 
8:21 PM
Can't hammer that dupe, as it was tagged , instead of something sensible.
 
user559633
why not just change tags?
 
DSM
Doesn't give you the power to hammer; otherwise anyone who could edit (and has any hammer) could hammer.
 
Hello python masters.
 
@tristan because only the first revision tags count.
 
I have a small problem for you, big for me, because python is a new language for me.
 
8:24 PM
Otherwise you could just change the tags on any post to suit your hammer and tear through the site.
 
In the morning, in the evening ... all over this land, really.
 
I have a class with a list. I wrote a tiny function that should print the list in the console. But when I call that function I got "name 'listName' is not defined", but I see the list in debugger. :(
 
user559633
 
@MartijnPieters did they change the rules at some point? I remember seeing some meta post on that matter..
 
user559633
@Zashi put your code in a pastebin or dpaste
 
8:28 PM
Ok, 1 sec
 
@vaultah no, the rules were set like that from the start.
 
Please be forgiving. English is not my native language. :P
 
Okay, thanks
 
For example: I cannot call ShowCounter function.
 
160
A: Increase close vote weight for gold tag badge holders

Tim PostUpdate: this is now enabled everywhere! The rules are: You can instantly close as a duplicate any question that was originally asked with a tag you have a gold badge for. You can instantly reopen any question closed as a duplicate that was originally asked with a tag you have a gold badge for....

 
user559633
8:31 PM
@Zashi you call showcounter and it does what?
 
@Zashi You need to use self
 
"name 'orderCounter' is not defined"
 
It's the Python equivalent to this
 
user559633
oh yeah, and that. read about python classes
 
(brief cabbage y'all)
 
8:32 PM
ohh... Do u mean "print(self.orderCounter)"?
 
re-cbg.
 
It works!
Thank you very much guys.
 
I hate writing cover letters for CVs. Can't they just take my CV and then give me a job?
 
Cover letters are easy, are they not?
 
the gong's getting noisy today :)
 
DSM
8:33 PM
It's important to learn the difference between class-level variables and instance variables, otherwise every instance of your classes will share variables you may not expect them to.
 
@IntrepidBrit to be fair, I've never actually written one :P
 
Copy and paste the job requirement, and then rewrite it to say: "I can do X - see here in CV"
Or something to that effect
And anything you've done that's super awesome, but doesn't really fit in a CV, but you think they'll be interested in? Stick it in the cover letter
 
Do I need use "self" when I call a function inside another function?
 
So, when I graduated from Uni, Edinburgh was voted the top CompSci Uni in the UK
 
DSM
@Fizzy: FWIW I seldom pay cover letters much attention one way or another unless they're awful. Bad formatting and typos, though irrelevant in themselves, are signs that even when you know a lot is resting on something you're unwilling to pay attention to detail.
 
8:35 PM
@Zashi Depends on how/where the functions are defined. Honestly? Do yourself a favour and read up on classes. You'll save yourself some headaches later on
 
In the same class.
 
I was thinking about this one, but forgot about the actual meaning. @MartijnPieters, thanks for clarifying :)
 
I have to use python in one project at university.
I use ABAP at work.
 
DSM
(PS: for everyone who's been holding his breath -- we've finally made an offer to a full-time Java developer, and the contract is pending! My life is about to get materially better.)
 
Hurrah!
 
user559633
8:36 PM
@DSM i look forward to working with you shortly
 
@vaultah yup, and that was one where the dupehammer tag was removed rather than added.
 
Cover letters are your ally getting to the guys who actually code. It means the HR/bureaucrats can tick their boxes and say "yup, meets minimum criteria" and pass on your CV
At least, that's my experience
@Zashi Then yes. self refers to the instance to which you're referencing from
So:
class Thang:
def do(self):
print(type(self))

a = Thang()
a.do()
Although, I just hammered that out. Likely to contain bugs, if not ants.
 
8:55 PM
Thank you, @IntrepidBrit.
 
@MartijnPieters can you change my name?
I no longer have my hat, and I still have to wait a few days before I can change it myself.
 
SE have fixed the workaround (as far as I can tell) :(
 
@Comrade he's not a mod anyway :P
 
@Ffisegydd You're right, why did I think that?
I could almost swear that I remember his name being blue.
 
All names on SO are blue due to the link color being blue :P
 
user559633
9:04 PM
@ComradeVader just go to a stackexchange you haven't been on before, change it there, and then sync network
 
@poke I meant the name in chat.
@tristan I'll try that thank
Why is my name not changing in the chat?
 
Blame the cache
 
@vaultah The cache my browser uses?
 
user559633
@ComradeVader the C.R.E.A.M. component of StackOverflow
 
That must be an inside joke I don't get. Never heard of that reference.
 
9:09 PM
@ComradeVader chat is a separate system, they synchronize it periodically
 
Ohkay. I see now.
Time is the solution
 
@ComradeVader I can't, I am no moderator, sorry.
 
@MartijnPieters yeah I saw that. But you easily could be a moderator. :D
you must be the #1 python person on SO
 
DSM
I'm going to point your opponents at that quote. "Why, Martijn himself even admitted he was no moderator!" #oppositionresearch
 
"...if I were a moderator..." At some point, we'll have to fix that. — Yannis Jan 15 at 9:40
 
9:16 PM
rbrb all
 
byebye
Well you have my vote @MartijnPieters, if you ever do decide to be a mod
 
Ok cover letter written. Will proof read it tomorrow then apply for job once it's checked.
 
What kind of job are you applying for?
 
You wrote a cover letter?
 
9:21 PM
Data Scientist / R Developer.
 
Does “R Developer” mean you are working on R, or that you are using R?
 
Using R.
 
I see
Cool, good luck then :)
Data mining wasn’t really my thing at uni, but I’m sure it can be fun :P
Do you know RapidMiner by chance?
 
No, but it looks quite cool.
 
@poke you finished uni?
 
DSM
9:25 PM
"I don't know how to pronounce his pseudonym, or even his real name for that matter, but Fizzy's comments on a Python chat are fun to read. Hire him! --DSM"
 
@ComradeVader Last year, yeah :)
 
@poke ah, nice
congrats, top of your class I assume ;)
 
user559633
"For a while, I thought his avatar was england, until I really looked at it. fizzymans is probably a good addition to your team?"
 
@Ffisegydd A friend from uni started working for the company that makes it, I believe it’s a pretty good tool for this kind of stuff
@ComradeVader Nah, I’m lazy :P
 
Good job anyway
 
9:28 PM
Thanks :)
@tristan lol…
 
 
2 hours later…
11:20 PM
Due to recent legislative changes in my county, all our employees MUST be able to scan state drivers licenses for age verification of customers. There's a few states where this isn't possible with the tech that we have, but we have to provide verifiable proof on the rest of the states
any idea how hard it is to get a sample drivers license to test with?
:(
 

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