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4:00 PM
Sometimes, sometimes not. Unfortunately, they're different enough that setting up a "process" doesn't really make sense
Also needs to be able to be used by fuddy duddies
That last criteria might be the Boeing 777 that broke the camel's back.
 
it is always like "well we have this clueless manager, now give him a software so that he will stop being clueless"
 
I'd never fly in a Boeing 777. so insecure.
 
thus far we've not solved strong AI, but even weak can manage a company better?
 
user559633
Why is the boeing 777 insecure?
 
are we talking about SW? :D
 
4:05 PM
chmod 777 plane
 
user559633
... okay
 
That joke is nigh-on a kickable offense.
 
@theGman so... did I answer the question? I'm really not sure what's still confusing, basically every site with login on the Internet behaves this way. — davidism 52 secs ago
 
Really want that Accept, eh? Take you to 9001 rep!
 
user559633
downvoted for upvote trolling @davidism
 
4:06 PM
@Ffisegydd what do you mean?
 
I wasn't looking for upvotes, I'm just really confused about what he's confused about. :-/
 
user559633
 
@AnttiHaapala Solve that, and we'll be millionaires. You for selling/designing/making it and me for giving you the nod to develop it ;)
 
I used to know an online dude called Gman, wonder if it's the same guy.
 
user559633
oh wait, here's why i use adblock, this shit "Unplanned pregnancy? Learn why Open Adoption is a great option"
 
@thefourtheye It doesn't need deleting, not manually.
I'll leave that for the roomba to clean up.
@vaultah Presumably Cyber knows something about Go I/O synchronisation.
 
MY REP IS OVER 9000!
 
DSM
Pineapples for davidism!
 
I'm pretty sure we're all required to say that as it happens.
 
I'm certain I at least considered it, when my time came.
Yep, I actually did it.
Jan 3 '14 at 18:00, by Kevin
crushes scanner
 
4:26 PM
Man, Dragonball Z is web scale.
4
 
MonguBuu
(hello)
 
Jan 8 at 7:48, by Ffisegydd
My reputation is over 9000!
 
Myth confirmed
 
Reputation is a lot like power level, really. At first, 9000 seems like a crazy amount, and then the numbers just keep getting bigger so that it just seems impossible.
 
What shall I cook for dinner tonight?
 
4:30 PM
Like, "Martijn has over 300000 reputation? The numbers don't even mean anything anymore!"
 
@Ffisegydd Duck rillettes.
 
@CodyPiersall And we all are already moving faster than the eye can see, yet we keep getting faster and everyone is surprised..
 
My friend just finished rewatching all of Dragonball Z. It took him 2 weeks. I respect him.
 
I've never watched any Dragonball series. I probably should.
 
The CMMI process?! Where do I find these people...
 
4:33 PM
@davidism Couldn't hurt! Especially if you have about 90 hours to kill.
 
Dragonball (without the Z) is legitimately good. Everything else is on a downward slope of quality, but the creator couldn't stop because they kept handing him giant bags of money
 
DSM
♫ your rapping is weaker than your fight scenes ♫ just one punch and over nine thousand screams ♫
 
But I respect that. I think it's a legitimate business model to create at least one great work, and then sell out for the rest of forever.
 
@Kevin it's true! Dragonball is a good show. Dragonball Z is only entertaining, and only that sometimes.
 
@Kevin I was going to respond with something like "anime problems" but then I realized it's more like "open-ended serialized content problems"
 
4:34 PM
That's one more great work than I've ever done, right? So how could I judge.
 
Kinda like how Python 2.7 was perfect but they...they just kept on making more ;-;
 
@Ffisegydd Yay! Controversy!
 
@Kevin Don't be so modest! This answer changed my life.
 
:-)
I wonder if I'll revise my opinion to "at least two great works" if/when I ever create a great work myself.
"Your only famous song was Safety Dance? Pfft... KevinScript is better than that"
 
is there any considerable benefit in a 1 to 1 join, or is it better to just keep them within the same table?
 
DSM
4:40 PM
What, no love for Pop Goes the World?
 
puts Safety Dance on Spotify
 
What is this KevinScript you keep talking about?
 
It's my eternally in-progress programming language.
 
Can I help? I wrote a game, it's going to be in my CV soon.
 
DSM
4:44 PM
KevinScript is simpler to learn than Python; it allows for metaprogramming more powerful than Lisp; it's more elegant than Haskell; and using powerful JIT live code analysis techniques, it's actually faster than bare-metal assembly, esp. on multi-core machines.
4
 
but will it blend?
 
I'm not looking for code contributions at the moment, but I'm happy to get bug reports or just general comments on the github page. You could also fork it and experiment with it as you please.
@davidism I can't recommend installing KevinScript on any system that has sharp edges or prepares food.
 
DSM
@davidism: sadly, no, which is probably why it's not more popular. Yet.
 
[tag:review-pls] http://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/6753429
[tag:review-pls] http://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/6753428
 
@corvid Maybe for, like, conceptual purposes. Ex. rather than having widget_color, widget_mass columns in your users table, you one-to-one link it to a separate widgets table.
 
4:47 PM
Damn I might rep cap today...
 
Nice :-)
 
@Kevin I was thinking of having a user table that had the user's basic details, then having a user_details table for details which might only be used in selective circumstances
 
@Kevin Oh you're using CamelCase. Can't help with that.
 
DSM
@Zero: it's hard to click "accept" on something which doesn't use an Oxford comma, but I'll muddle through somehow.
 
@ReutSharabani Not everywhere! I ported at least two files to lowercase_underscore, after I got soundly mocked.
 
4:49 PM
Done & gone
 
@DSM Eh, Oxford, what do they know?
 
That's an idea, an automatic camelcase-to-underscore python code converter
 
Already exists
 
wow, he deleted the exact dupe target that had been closed. The question still needs to be closed, but I can no longer vote for it.
 
@vaultah That was possibly the worst C# code I’ve ever seen.
 
@corvid Sure, there are use cases for one-to-one relationships between tables. But for what you describe, probably overkill.
 
@davidism looks like he just doesn't have a basic logging mechanism
 
too broad then
 
@corvid Also depends what you mean by one-to-one. Optional? Mandatory? Subclass pattern? (etc.)
 
yeah. Was typing a response for making a heroku logger, then he could use heroku logs --app myapp and get a traceback. But that doesn't really answer the root question
@AirThomas my thinking was mostly "I don't need to load this information unless they are looking at a profile page" for example, so does it yield any significant performance increase to not load those details with the user, or will it just be a waste?
 
5:00 PM
Performance is tied to the DBMS.
 
@corvid add a comment about that, it could point them in the right direction to edit and reopen
 
@AirThomas I'm using MongoDB, but I am very unfamiliar with it
 
Rep capped.
 
Hmm. I have exactly zero experience with Mongo performance issues.
But do it the simple way. Change it later if all else fails.
In general, adding columns to a table shouldn't significantly impact the performance of queries that don't involve those columns or related indexes.
 
5:04 PM
Does anyone remember the link to find out how many times you've rep capped?
It's some random link that goes to a text only page
 
Ta. This will be my 5th day of repcapping (assuming today hasn't already been counted yet)
 
Dan
cbg
 
> earned 2 reputation for suggested edits
 
"rep today: -1" such a good day
 
5:06 PM
I've only capped once, and not from upvotes only. I just can't post enough.
 
Yeah same. Never gotten an upvotes only one.
 
I got a votes-only repcap once, it seems.
 
"rep cap was reached via rep from upvotes only on 1 days" <- you mean this?
 
Yeah.
 
woo, got a 3 year member badge
 
5:08 PM
can you post tabs on SO?
 
tabs? like the spacing character?
 
DSM
I think set consolidation is one of the simplest problems to describe for which good programmers have difficulty writing a correct implementation.
 
If I copy text containing a tab and paste it, does it post a tab?
 
5:10 PM
@ReutSharabani IIRC, yes. But it's easy to test, isn't it?
 
tabs usually get auto-converted to four spaces on SO, but you can still see the original whitespace if you view the revision history and pick "raw"
 
that crow is like "this isn't carrion... I am disappointed"
 
I'm not sure, I don't want to post a question for testing this. I'll get downvoted!
 
This is occasionally a pain in the butt when an OP's problem is almost certainly caused by mixed whitespace, and you have to dig through three pages to confirm
@ReutSharabani You could write up the question but not post it. The preview window will show you how it would look.
 
Haven't thought of that :) thanks
@Kevin so no tabs as far as I've tested
 
How do we deal with (seemingly) French posts?
 
Meta says, "We flag anything in a foreign language as off-topic. Or some kind soul translates the post to English, one or the other."
 
This question appears to be off-topic because it is in French. — Zero Piraeus 18 secs ago
 
Ah, fair play
 
5:43 PM
@ZeroPiraeus Ah, you found my Meta answer already.
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/27969788/… "Which library should I use for it?"
 
so who speaks french? :D
 
@AnttiHaapala Actually I somehow had the idea that you spoke dozens of languages ...
 
no, I do not speak french, I just can read it a bit
 
You've spent some time in Vietnam, right?
 
5:57 PM
so I have a faint idea on what the post is talking about...
yes
no one in vn speaks french anymore
belongs to the francophonie but :D it is nothing like the commonwealth
 
DSM
@AnttiHaapala: funny you should say that -- we had a Vietnamese developer interview here yesterday and his three languages are Vietnamese, English, and French. :-)
 
the French language only shows up in some loanwords mostly about food
omg now terrorists in belgium
 
Ever since I heard Patrick Stewart admit in an interview that Jean-Luc Picard was originally intended to have a French accent, I've wanted to script a parody called "Un voyage dans les étoiles avec Keiko" that consists of existential musings by Captain Picard, who secretly loathes Chief O'Brien and lusts for his wife and is incredibly bored by space travel
So if anyone's selling some free time for cheap, I'll get on that
 
DSM
...
 
Poor Chief O'Brien hasn't a clue. He's just doing his job.
 
DSM
6:06 PM
They did have some marriage problems down the line, IIRC.
 
it was because of the aliens :D
 
Everyone knows that chief O'Brien is the most tragic character in Star Trek.
 
@Kevin I won't deny that was a major influence of my upcoming award-winning webseries
 
crl
Is it easy in Python to make an installer, to install a Python program on a windows machine without Python installed?
 
no.
emphasizing making the installer in python
 
crl
6:10 PM
oh, well, you mean making a gui for the installer?
 
i mean: if you make an installer in python, how do you suppose it can be run without python?
 
crl
I mean to make it run on a new machine, without the need to install Python, but just this installer (that would install the necessary Python core libs I guess)
 
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Q: How to bundle a python application including dependencies for windows?

Florian BöschI need to package my python application, its dependencies and python into a single MSI installer. The end result should desirably be: Python is installed in the standard location the package and its dependencies are installed in a separate directory (possibly site-packages) the installation dir...

 
crl
great
 
crl
6:16 PM
@AnttiHaapala So you will always need to have a folder with Python, to interprete your program?
nvm, the answer is no with py2exe
 
Done. Also upvoted for effort.
If I want to flag the comments as obsolete (since they're about it being in French, which it no longer is), will just flagging one of them be enough to prompt a mod to delete the lot?
 
do jobs usually supply a laptop or are you supposed to have your own?
 
I read somewhere that mods usually read all comments (when reviewing a flag) @ZeroPiraeus
I'd flag only one of them
 
@corvid if you're a contractor, you'd probably supply your own. If you're working for a company they should supply one.
I mean, if they require you to have one they should supply it, but they would still own it and just assign it to you or whatever.
 
6:52 PM
tbh the whole company uses mac computers and I was kinda hoping to live the dream by having a macbook pro without paying for it
they're such good computers, but can never bring myself to pay anywhere near that price :\
 
7:05 PM
@vaultah that's why you should use tabs for indents
@crl py2exe is not "in python", it is outside python
 
@corvid Its generally assumed that contractors will provide their own system, unless there are very specific requirements in which sometimes one will be provided for you ( or even a vm). I've never needed to provide my own for a company i've worked for
 
@corvid If your job supplies a laptop for you to work on, it's not "your" laptop. It's still theirs. And they're within their rights to restrict your activity on it to work-related stuff. Though whether they do, and whether it's enforceable...
 
they can enforce it by saying that the laptop does not leave the premises say :D
 
Is there anyone here who can revert the changes made to OP's post on stackoverflow.com/questions/27954764/…
 
Right, and restricting administrator access. But these policies can always be circumvented by employees who don't understand/don't care.
 
7:11 PM
@AirThomas yep that much is obvious. Only for work. But developing on a mac is prime
 
@OliverW. why?
 
@vaultah: OP basically copy-pasted an answer and then said that there is only one more thing to solve. For someone who reaches that question for the first time, it is very unclear to see an answer to a question that wasn't even asked?
 
@OliverW. done.
 
Ah, okay then
 
Thank you @AirThomas
 
7:13 PM
Definitely not okay to revise the question to add in an answer, and then ask a different question.
 
Sadly it happens more than I'd like to see :)
 
I've left a comment as well since rollbacks don't give you an edit summary.
Dec 12 '14 at 17:21, by AirThomas
Somebody want to rollback this edit where OP nuked their code after getting an answer? http://stackoverflow.com/q/27447375/2359271
 
Indeed, I just saw. Very clear.
 
Eventually, you won't have to make that sort of request either. :)
Not too far away, looks like.
 
Ah, but I'm not at that level yet ;-)
 
DSM
7:16 PM
People vandalizing their own questions after getting an answer annoys me more than just about anything else on SO.
 
@corvid I think it is good to be employed in-house before starting a career as a contractor
 
@AnttiHaapala I'm not even entirely sure what the difference is
 
depends on the country a lot say :D
 
@DSM My peeve is comment threads that either answer the question without ever becoming posted answers, or just go on way too long because someone is engaging in a debate like a dog with a bone and won't let go
 
user559633
ugh, or the comments that turn into the "okay, you answered my question, but now i'm going to make you shoot at a moving target or ask you more questions"
 
7:19 PM
@corvid In the US, there's a big difference, and you need to know about it as a contractor or you'll get taken advantage of. Not necessarily maliciously either. I had to resolve an error a few years ago related to this; fortunately it was a summer job with only a small sum of money involved.
 
@tristan link to help vampire and stop
 
isn't it just about taxes?
 
in Finland you cannot even become a contractor easily :P
 
Oh Finland, with their absurdly hard to learn language
 
say, in Finland, if you have a sole proprietorship doing a contract work, then you pay everything from the money you get from the customer, and if they fail to pay you, you need to sue them... and in the end you get nothing, as the fight will cost you in time etc, and they are bankrupt anyway
... but if instead you were employed, and the company fails to pay your salary/wages, you can sue them and they will need to pay a shitload of money or you can get the money from government and gov will spank the co
 
7:24 PM
money is so weird :| they should make a better system
 
@OliverW. That user can't upvote until 15 rep, by the way. Easy to forget, after spending so long with votes at hand.
@corvid It's also about your level of autonomy and how your income is reported.
 
user559633
 
As an employee, your employer can tell you to do L with M tool using N technique on O date, etc.
 
About the money perspective: In Finland, I need to do at least single-entry bookkeeping (I am doing double), or hire an accountant, do VAT reports every month online, and the tax return takes 2 hours to fill each year at least, and save all my expense receipts....
 
As a contractor, your autonomy is restricted only by the contract. If the contract is to build a wood-framed house, the client can tell you not to use metal studs but can't necessarily dictate what species of lumber you use.
 
7:28 PM
If I am employed, I just give my IBAN bank account number and enjoy my net salary each month, tax witheld by the company, the tax office will send me a prefilled tax return, which is always right, so I do not need to do anything.
 
Also, unless the contract specifies otherwise, you have the freedom to subcontract the work out to others.
 
... which you cannot do if you are employed, except if you are sneaky and can find good coders from China to whom to offload your burden ;)
 
on the bright side, Finland does have great educational systems...
 
@AnttiHaapala You beat me to it, but here's another article bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21043693
 
user559633
and finland has free ice
 
7:31 PM
yes, in winter
 
+---------+--------+--------------+-----------------------------------------+
| Command | Time   | State        | Info                                    |
+---------+--------+--------------+-----------------------------------------+
| Query   | 174810 | Sending data | UPDATE a JOIN b USING (c) SET a.d = b.d |
+---------+--------+--------------+-----------------------------------------+
Just kill me now.
 
user559633
?
 
48 hours and counting...
Guys, is this web scale?
I'm developing a mysterious rash on my lower back...
Doctor, do you think it could be a symptom of big data?
 
user559633
anyone in the nyc area looking for some work? (we just got some openings here and i don't know if any of the regulars would be interested)
 
7:48 PM
@AirThomas you could use a RDBMS :d
 
@AnttiHaapala I'll have you know that MySQL implements 100% of the SQL standard that it cares to implement
 
@AirThomas why are you doing this anyway?
 
as with SQL standard to the RM, etc. etc.
 
but now, time to watch Bond...
Timothy Dalton this time
 
@AnttiHaapala I'm replacing a PK
 
7:51 PM
rbrb
 
8:11 PM
Woo I've reached rep cap from upvotes alone.
 
@Ffisegydd hm good for you.
 
8:30 PM
Anything wrong with this message?
"Since you mentioned a Python forum, chances are I put fake name and/or fake timezone there, providing you with a false impression of my citizenship/current location (assuming it matters). And in any case, I'm still a student. I appreciate the opportunity to join your company, but, I'm afraid, the drawbacks I stated above may not let me qualify."
 
DSM
Honestly? I think it's a little overexplained, unless you're actually interested in hearing their pitch.
 
Hmm, thanks
I sent this message about a day ago, decided to check if everything is okay, as I didn't receive any reply (this isn't to say I expect the recruiter to reply) ...
But it's sad because I'd like to "save" their offer for future
 
DSM
Seldom works out like that, more's the pity. :-) Does happen sometimes, though, which is why it always pays to be very polite-- there's no downside and high upside..
 
8:46 PM
Aaand, by the time we were talking, they replied...
"No problem at all, when timing changes on your end, don't hesitate to reach back out to me directly." Oh geez
I'm so relieved right now... This isn't a company I'd like to miss.
 
DSM
Good to hear! That's somewhat atypically eager on their part, but maybe they really liked your posts. :-)
 
I was only active on bugs.python.org recently, I assume they picked my email there (didn't really show it anywhere else). They could also discover my SO profile (was listed in the text of proposal on Python Ideas, to which the bug-tracker thread was referring)...
 
9:01 PM
Recruiters don't like to burn bridges any more than you do.
Especially if they're on commission.
 
DSM
I have an archnemesis dating back to high school. I'm very tempted to send her a gift.
 
"Purchasing temporarily suspended"
 
> Just getting in touch to say that I don't recommend sniffing glitter. My nose now bleeds randomly haha.
lol
 
DSM
On those rare occasions I think of a good idea for a joke website, I invariably find someone had the idea years ago..
 
user559633
is "mavis beacon student of the year" too esoteric of a reference to use as a joke under "special qualifications?"
 
9:14 PM
It's already past midnight, rbrb guys
 
DSM
Rhubarb!
 
user559633
rhubarb @vaultah
 
what is an "orientation and review" period and how long are they usually?
 
user559633
context
 
position for web application developer at a university
 
user559633
9:27 PM
review of resume or did you already get hired? orientation is usually a day to a week of indoctinati^H^H^H^H^H^H^H kool-aid drin^H^H^H^H^^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H corporate brainwas^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H learning about the place you'll work
 
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Q: No Web Projects in Python Tools for Visual Studio

T AbrahamRecently, I have installed Python Tools for Visual Studio and went through the tutorial. Then I noticed that I didn't have the Python web projects that should come with the Python tools. I used the Python Tools wizard to install it and I have Visual Studio Express 2013. I also have both IronPytho...

I need help on this question... I am trying to figure out what's wrong with PTVS I am using....pls help!
 
I can already feel the synergy coursing through my corporate initiatives
 
user559633
@TAbraham read the room rules in the top right
 
To be fair the Q was asked yesterday, it's not fresh.
 
DSM
Welcome back, @Ffisegydd!
 
9:34 PM
Ta @DSM
I need to ship @davidism some glitter to distract him from the rep race.
 
user559633
beer would probably be more effective
 
DSM
Too late.
 
user2555451
Yea, nvm. He deleted it.
 
DSM
I guess we could undelete it and then close it, just for the heck of it, but it doesn't seem worthwhile.
 
9:38 PM
@tristan then what should i do?
 
user559633
@TAbraham research and answer your own question.. or just wait for someone else to come along
 
9:49 PM
On trying to get a user to use SQL parameters:
@MartijnPieters Then I should say that I don't care about that part since it is not my responsibility. I'll warn the ones who are concerned with the security issues though. Thanks! — user4103576 4 mins ago
Yay for devs that care about their craft..
 
@tristan did the research already! guess I have to wait.. only scared that people wont go through all th questions and see mine..
 
user559633
@MartijnPieters jfc, that's the worst. "yeah i don't care about this and also i want stackoverflow to handle the work for me"
 
10:19 PM
buh, heroku doesn't support mongodb without putting in a credit card. Super lame.
 
I smell a planted question: stackoverflow.com/questions/27973988/…
The other answer by a 1-point new account is way too detailed to be posted in the time that it was.
And the OP reverted my dictionary syntax fix to reintroduce their flawed lists.
Hrm, both accounts are quite old.
 
Planted questions are allowed I think...
 
user559633
both no rep or activity, still weird
 
As long as they're valid questions
 
But both at 1 point, no publicly visible activity.
 
DSM
10:25 PM
And exactly a year and two days different in signup? Weird.
 
@ReutSharabani there is no effort to solve the issue in the question.
@ReutSharabani And if the second account is a sockpuppet to try and gain reputation, the behaviour is not legal.
 
I'm no mind reader. I think that if a colleague of mine had a question I answered and I'd think it's good to have it on SO I'd definitely tell himt o post and I'd answer there as well
 
Sockpuppetting is so much effort to go through when you could just answer localized laziness in the regex tag.
 
Seems the OP is going with mine anyway.
time to sign of, rhubarb all!
 
user559633
10:49 PM
@ReutSharabani if your coworker had a question, you'd just ask us in chat .___.
 
I'd ask you personally :)
I added "undo" In my N-in-a-row game
I'm ready to call this 'development' now, maybe tomorrow I'll bump version from 0.0.1 :)
next stage is adding computer player, that's where the fun begins
 
11:03 PM
I don't know why Alex Martelli is spending so much time on this question. One of those endless, "your answer fixed X, but now how do I Y" jobs.
And in the process, encouraging the OP to edit the question into uninteligibility...
 
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