@TylerH @AdrianMole I missed this discussion when it first happened but I would like to say that protection is easily (and frequently) circumvented by the voting rings that exist in certain tags.
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine I looked at that user's rep history (I'd also flagged them) and it was studded with "voting corrected" and "user removed". It's amazing they lasted as long as they did.
@AdrianMole yes, and I think I had similar discussions with that user before. During the strike, this(close votes on spam) also happened a lot. But the argument is really weak. The post had > 10 views and would just need 4 users to flag. But because of a lack of moderation we need 3 close votes?
@AdrianMole I sort of get the sentiment. Previously blatant spam would be nuked on sight, so it very rarely lived more than a couple of minutes. For most users spam would be essentially "invisible". Recently it seems the response is slightly slower. However, it's still not that slow. That post was deleted in 5 minutes. Which is normal in my experience.
I usually wait 5-10 minutes before sending a flag-pls request for new questions because they are usually gone by that point, so there is no need for extra help.
At any rate, my experience "recently" (last few months? Maybe since the strike) is that spam is slightly more visible for regular users that don't usually do a lot of flagging. I've seen even high rep users stumble upon blatant spam and seem to not know how to handle it. They'd edit out the spam link. Or just edit the post to fix some other stuff.
For spam posts that Smokey hasn't found, a flag-pls in here is useful, because one of the users here who can send feedback to SD can do so. There are normally enough active users in CharcoalHQ/SOCVR/SO-Biotoxics combined to kill spam in a minute or two.
This particular spam was indeed not reported by smokey. I still don't get the argument of this high-rep user why voting to close is necessary, because not enough people flag spam, and that even after I left a comment saying "don't vtc, flag as spam"
Yet, I feel the spam that shows up is still handled correctly. Perhaps the average time to handle it has shifted up (no data on this, though. I'm going by "feeling") but it's still well within reasonable bounds. I think most spam is nuked within 10 minutes.
Whatever, my concern is not about Smokey, but about stubborn users who insist that casting 3 close votes is better than 4 spam flags because of a lack of moderation.
As mentioned, this is not my first encounter with that user and they seem to argue that flagging doesn't work, so it should be voted on spam. We should teach other users that the first and foremost action against spam is flagging. Arguing against that seems counter-productive.
During the strike, we had spam closed as "not about programming" and troll posts closed as "needs focus", staying there for long time, because nobody flagged.
... aah. I see that mod-with-hard-hat deleted one (at least) and the anonymous plagiarism flag deleted the one under scrutiny. What are the chances that those are the same mod? xD
@GeneralGrievance IMHO 30 minutes is plenty of time to notice that there are answers that cover what you might be writing. Especially since there's a client-side dynamic reload script that notifies you when answers have been posted without you having to reload the page.
I would probably draw the line at 5 minutes (and that's generous) for short answers, or 10 minutes for long ones
@TylerH Just a reminder that this doesn't always work. I've had it fail often enough that I'd not be surprised if it happened to many others. Also, it just plain doesn't work on some machines. Seems some machines (or networks?) have issues with the websocket that's supposed to deliver the notification.
With that said, I don't think most duplicate answers are caused by the notification failing.
Some amount, sure. Some amount of answers to closed questions, too. But I don't think not getting notifications is true in the majority of cases.
@VLAZ sure, that's fair, glitches happen, although I still maintain that 30 minutes is more than enough time to allow for "refresh your page to make sure your content hasn't been shared in an answer already"
@GeneralGrievance Maybe not if it was within 5 minutes, as mods can be capricious when handling flags. Certainly if it was 30 minutes older.
If I were a mod, even if one were to consider a glitch/bug as VLAZ pointed out can happen, if I ever saw duplicate answers being flagged, I think I would delete the newer answer... or if it were within a few minutes of another answer, and they're both recent (as in, posted today), I might comment first and set a reminder to come back--give OP time to differentiate.
Of course if they're within 5 mins of each other and were posted days, weeks, months, years ago, the author of the repeated answer has already had plenty of time to notice and update their answer, because the page does always refresh when you actually post an answer.
In the case of the Q/As we were just discussing, I'll go with @GeneralGrievance and not flag as plagiarism. However, the answer offers nothing new over the (25 minutes) earlier one and, as such, can be safely removed...
It's also quite a poor answer, without explanation (unlike its predecessor).
@AdrianMole FWIW I wouldn't flag as plagiarism unless content is copied wholesale. In the above scenarios I am imagining custom implementations that just repeat the same solution, which I generally custom mod flag so I can better explain for our dear moderator brethren and sisteren what makes them repeats
@AdrianMole yeah, fair point of clarification I generally mod flag when the answer has a positive score of 2+. Otherwise I post a del-pls here and attempt to get it deleted myself
How should we handle a case in which a user posts his blog post style wisdom to loosely related questions (not answering the question but just writing about a related topic)
And the user seems to post a lot of this blog post answers to similar topics recently. Didn't check yet, if any of their answers actually answers the question.
Yeah, let's keep further discussion about the user away from here--as always if you see some suspicious behavior or post, flag it for mods to investigate!
@TylerH In my opinion, this question is clear enough. The "I got an error" is just a distraction. It's a how-to question: "How do I find the most common combinations of values within groups?". I also tried for entirely too long to find a duplicate, but I can't find a good one.
I edited to remove and tried to generalize the title so others can find it.
Is it a full moon again? A few hours ago, someone asked about sewing a zipper and used the fabric, now I see someone wants an essay about King Lear, using the shakespeare-text tag....