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@Dharman I'd be glad to do some edits, but are we supposed to remove the URL? Or update it? What's the problem with that URL anyway?
01:25
@RyanM Ah good. That is how that's supposed to work. I forgot about that case though.
 
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04:30
Do we want to urge editors not to bother if all they are doing is framing the title as a question? stackoverflow.com/posts/16287782/revisions Okay, they make some other textual changes, but is this something that users should be made aware of? I am under the impression that question titles don't ever actually need to be framed as a question.
@mickmackusa I think, in general, rephrasing a title to a question rather than a statement can be useful. It's not required for a post to be comprehensible but it can help a bit, and may be useful for search engines as well. I remember a meta post about this but it was a while ago...
 
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06:02
@tink vehemently disagree; this is definitely about programming
 
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07:29
^hmm, someone is playing funny business with the vote count (it was down to -3)
@mickmackusa Better than Bunny Fizziness?
Could be someone following it and wants to prevent deletion.
... but, if so, their attempt was futile.
@tink There seem to be several shell commands being used together, enough to count as a programming task I think.
07:45
Any C++ Template Metaprogramming gurus around who can find a good dupe for this? (Template stuff is definitely one of my weak spots, so I don't want to pick one of the many "template + forward reference + rvalue" posts at random.)
@AdrianMole I know nothing in the world which is better than Bunny Fizziness.
@jps the only other three posts that reference that link come from another single user
@bad_coder dead link. Either remove it or replace with archived version
08:02
@Adriaan yeah, previous usage of that link reeks of spam and other abuse that I can see as well.
08:38
Is this a simple NAA, or spam?
@Adriaan I assumed good faith..
I'd accept a spam flag on that.
I just deleted it without one, though.
09:27
What about this post? The self-answer says "I resolve this problem by changing update method to save", so is saying that update doesn't work but save does useful, additional information or just repeating the earlier insight, adding a question?
@JeanneDark It appears to be repeating the earlier insight and adding a question.
Thanks
10:33
This currently has an R/A flag from me. Is that appropriate, or is it some kind of spam? Or doesn't it really matter?
... seems like trolling, to me.
And what to do about this one? On first glance, it looks like a long-winded treatise on "PHP Session Basics" (as in the question title). But are the links spam?
@AdrianMole Looks like spam but they didn't manage to properly format the spam links
@JeanneDark Yeah - MetaSmoke seems to recognize two of the URL domains.
@AdrianMole The post itself looks like it's at least plagiarism
It certainly has that 'feel' to it.
See how they reference nonexistent screenshots etc.
 
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Am I allowed to ask this room to euthanize my accepted answer? I only got my search terms right after answering this basic dupe. I don't want to be a hypocrite and scold others, yet answer basic dupes myself.
If assisted killing is not kosher, I'd like the RO's to consider it in the future.
@Dharman I'll do it later today if there's still some left then.
@Nick also plagiarised from here
@Adriaan well picked up! I must say I stopped looking once I saw bluetooth collar earphone... :)
@Nick in my experience, good looking text (especially English-wise) with an otherwise unrelated spam link inserted is almost always plagiarised from somewhere. I'd have left a comment on the answer itself, were it not deleted that fast
12:48
@bad_coder it looks like a "how to" question, which doesn't necessarily requires own effort from the OP's side. The accepted answer also looks succinct enough to make me think it's not Too Broad
@Adriaan good point, could be closed as a dupe of any if/else Q.
@Adriaan lo and behold there's 39 such Qs well tagged
@Adriaan that might just be one of the better questions...
Is SO being DDoSed again? It's not exactly down, but does take ~5 seconds to load the page in chucks (question first, then side bar, then answers etc)
@Adriaan I haven't noticed any slow downs this morning.
13:34
@mickmackusa no users may not make those requests; that violates the main principle of the "involved" rule (socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-requests-youre-involved). If your answer is accepted, it means someone else found it helpful/useful, so depriving the user or future readers of that would be prima facie harmful to the site.
I have, however, created a GitHub issue for a room meeting topic on it: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/room-meeting-topics/issues/…
Hopefully no one will chastise you for one over-eager answering of a dupe, since it is not exactly a habit :-) In the meantime if you are overly concerned about appearances, you can always leave a comment under the question or your answer mentioning you didn't realize it was a dupe until after your answer was accepted.
The sponsored image for reminds me of Half-Life...
 
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@mickmackusa I'm a bit confused by that question. Why are the keys and values the same...? If they actually want the keys, then I think it's a different question, but then it wouldn't be the one you answered... Would your answer be better on the dupe target?
@ThierryLathuille @miken32 an answer you deleted is being discussed on meta
15:45
@miken32 you keep ninjaing what I'm about to say on that meta post, and so I am upvoting your comments instead of posting mine :D
@RyanM I mean, if you have to look at a turd why shouldn't it be polished?
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@tripleee shrug :)
i do this probably once a week, but i'll look at my chat rooms and think "Huh... room <x> is missing from the list, why am i not in that room" only to realize it's missing because i'm currently viewing it
:D
welcome to my sanity ;)
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19:14
it's been a while since I posted del-pls; let me know if this is not valid and I can remove it.
i don't think that answer necessarily qualifies for deletion (unrelated to whether the del-pls was correct.) answers aren't required to be correct, nor are they required to have an explanation of the code they provide (or code to go along with an explanation, in the opposite case)
(the author has deleted it already, so it's mostly moot outside of general discussion of deletion)
19:35
"Unrelated to the question" would be a legitimate reason, although with how the author wrote the question, it's hard to argue it's completely unrelated to a question asking "How to use a for loop to print the numbers from 10 to 1 in descending order in R?", given that it appears to do exactly that (maybe with off-by-one, I don't know R).
The question code does strongly suggest that the actual question was related to sorting, but...that's not what they wrote.
it's clear they just misunderstood the question, hence self-deletion
Or they saw the downvotes and deleted it.
what i'm hanging on is, it was an attempt to answer the question, as they interpreted it, but that last bit... probably isn't relevant to whether or not it should be deleted
it's different from, say "Hey, here's how you'd fix that with jquery"
Yeah. It's a valid interpretation of the question asked, not entirely unrelated like answering in the wrong language or something.
20:05
@TylerH counterargument: 1. The Disciplined badge is precisely awarded to users who elect to delete an answer that "helpful" to at least 3 people. 2. SO has decided to decrease the value/power of the askers' accepted answer during sorting because basically they might not know what is best for the page/researchers; allowing me to delete my own answer seems a fair extension of the same rationale.
I kind of like that my request for content euthanasia holds the same correlations to the topic of human euthanasia. Who should ultimate control what happens with oneself and one's decisions?
Bear in mind, I am not removing wisdom from the site in this case. I posted an identical answer on an earlier duplicate and I am seeking the removal of redundant content.
I have closed dupes where I have answered before. Just in this case, the window of time between posting my answer and hammering is less than a day. I feel this time difference is too small and may seem to be an abuse of the hammer to some people.
20:31
isn't it more a question of... what is allowed in the room, rather than what is ethically ok? i mean, i doubt anyone here is against deleting your own answer when it's clearly not useful and only standing in the way of a sign post being a sign post, but that doesn't change the guidelines on what is a valid del-pls request, etc.
Would a custom mod flag make sense in a situation like this? It's somewhat akin to a merge request... but there's no new answer(s) to merge, so the existing answer(s) simply need to be deleted.
it's a scenario that we don't have the tooling for, only mods do
(outside of targeted downvoting)
ah, there's another answer involved... that complicates it a bit too
:shrug:
20:56
@KevinB Well, the rule of not making requests on pages where you've interacted is in place to prevent people abusively manipulating the page for self-gain. My request (while obviously that I have interacted on the page) is not abuse; it is not for self-gain -- it is for system gain. The question (most of its text I didn't see/reveal until after performing an edit) has a very noise body and makes an unattractive sign post. The other answer if flatly incorrect.
I guess I'd also be happy to see the whole page go away.
21:44
@M-- Formula questions are on-topic here though
22:36
@user16217248 please read FAQ11 cv-pls is for questions that meet one or more of the following critera... have recent activity on the question
@Vickel Understood, in the future I will review that before posting a moderation request here
@user16217248 there are so many new posts which need to be closed/deleted, I personally concentrate on that...
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, no recent activity
@Vickel Brand new (minutes) old posts may be closed quickly enough by the community and not need to be posted here, so I will probably be focusing on days old questions that have not been closed yet
@user16217248 if you browse your top tags in order to answer a question, you'll find a lot of prime candidates for CV
22:51
@mickmackusa In part. The line for what requests are acceptable isn't there just to prevent actual manipulation for self-gain. It's there for multiple reasons. One of those reasons is to prevent people who are not substantially familiar with SOCVR from getting the perception that the people in the room are acting inappropriately as a group. One of the things that's considered inappropriate is for the room to permit individuals to have other members here act as a voting ring to perform actions on things the individual is involved with where the individual can't accomplish those actions on their own.
It doesn't matter that you think it's not for self-gain (it is, in fact, for self-gain, because you'd be gaining what you desire, even if that results in a reputation loss). What matters is the possible perception of others.
The line has been drawn where it is to keep the room well away from things which might be perceived as the room helping you to accomplish whatever it is you want to accomplish on your own stuff, particularly when the system specifically and explicitly prevents you as an individual from accomplishing whatever it is that you're wanting to do (in this case delete your own accepted answer).
@user16217248 That's probably the best use of this room. Also, "active first" list is good too.
23:24
@sideshowbarker you can now cast a vote...
@Nick ah — thanks
@mickmackusa actually judging from the comment that is not OPs problem at all: PHP Warning: SimpleXMLElement::__construct(): Entity: line 1: parser error : Start tag expected, '&lt;' not found in
Apparently some people haven't learned to not migrate crap.
@Nick Ah, I don't think I saw that comment. (maybe I didn't unfold it) Then the question is Unclear because all pertinent details are not in the question. In which case, the answer is unhelpful. The asker should ask a new question.
that detail has only come to light because of other comments; the echo $response would have appeared to give valid XML
23:42
I started suggested edit reviewing again after a several-month absence and practically every question I see merits a cv-pls

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