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00:25
@bad_coder I mean, yes the code can be more minimal, but that doesn't change that the problem is trivial. Of course, beginners lack the perspective to ask a question that makes sense here; an artificial canonical is on my docket
00:43
@KarlKnechtel in such cases I'm inclined to leave an MRE comment saying "no more code than is necessary to reproduce"... But, 1º the OP got their answer, 2º after closure they'll get the banner anyway, and 3º it's a burnination and if I left a comment it would get deleted shortly.
There isn't much point spending more time searching for a duplicate target for that kind of question in these cirucmstances.
^ I like your "1º, 2º, 3º" @bad_coder :)
@Vickel lol, and tbh yeah, it's a burnination... I'll likely be over 500 closures by the end of it, so if I start spending too much time on every post I'll be in trouble.
@Vickel enumerating the reasons is good policy, as you well know a lot of experience goes into each split second decision.
it's just to joke about "our" preference 1º over 1st :)
haha, yes not a native english speaker :D well spotted.
I have to get back to my code now, I'm already overtime on my CV break :D
I'm off to sleep... 2am, nearly
00:50
o/ nice seeing you @Vickel we hadn't spoken in some time... I've been terribly busy but the soccer season is being fun this year.
@Vickel I had a nap so I'll be up a little longer tonight.
@bad_coder just posted bol d'or results at the Fovi Lounge
it's out...?! let me check...
@bad_coder wait, what's being burninated there?
01:22
@KarlKnechtel if it's tagged script it's subject to the burnination clean-up process.
(Also featured in the SO sidebar).
 
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04:11
Should this question and this one be merged? Or is one just a dupe of the other? Both have a large amounts of votes (and answers), and they both appear to be asking the exact same thing, hence why I'm wondering if a merge would be appropriate here
04:41
@cocomac IMHO yes, though a couple answers may need editing to refer to the correct type.
05:14
Even with the offensive word removed, that answer looks VLQ
@user16217248 already flagged ;)
05:51
is this a good audit review question, given that it looks like asking for opinions: stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/32967320?
06:05
@Cristik Looks fine to me. Doesn't seem opinion-based. It asks for a way that is faster than any of those, which is an objective measurement. It gives the size of the file and the number of patterns being checked.
Opinion-based would be asking what's best, without giving any objective criteria
06:46
@Adriaan Post has been edited by the asker and is no longer in Russian
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (post edited by asker to address the issue)
07:11
@RyanM thanks; I voted to reopen since the original cause was resolved. No clue about the subject, so whether it should be close otherwise I wouldn't know
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^or maybe better: needs more focus
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Q: Should we return [postal-code] to sender?

A.SteerThe postal-code tag has 394 questions. Most of the questions are in relation to postal/zip/postcodes that are used in the physical addressing of post or mail. The questions fall under some general headings: Regex type questions. Asking to match/find certain characters within a string Having dif...

08:40
Am I just getting cynical in my old age, or are the 6 upvotes on this answer a bit suspicious?
@AdrianMole why not both? BTW, it's a -MSFT account. The upvotes might suspiciously come from other accounts with the same suffix.
It was the username suffix that added suspicion to my cynicism.
It should also be adding cynicism.
Maybe I can change my name to Mole-Cynic?
@AdrianMole makes me want to instantly flag that users -.- We should simply delete all those users, since none of them seems to get the message that even they should adhere to SO's rules, rather than treat this as the microsoft help desk
08:47
And how do we even know they actually are employees of that part of M/S?
@AdrianMole Is not impersonation grounds for mod flagging and/or deletion? QED. :-)
But the mere suspicion of not being a true owner of a given username ID is not grounds for flagging, surely. Otherwise, you'd get loads of custom flags. I mean, how do I know that you are the real Code Gary?
@AdrianMole Change it to Adrian Mole-MSFT instead to get more upvotes
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@AdrianMole who's Code Gary? :P
It's the moderator's real name - changed by virtue of common usage.
08:55
@Nick Actually, the added examples appear to match exactly with what the user has described in text. I don't see any ambiguity in the description or the added examples. Is there some other interpretation of the original text that the added examples would break?
@AdrianMole I guess you'd have to check my Twitter handle.
HTWITTER cgh = ::FindHandle("Cody Gray"); - Error - Invalid Parameter
@AdrianMole typo "Cody Gary"
09:13
@gnat Serious contender for the Worst screenshot of the day award
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@gnat should we leave a comment to the person who edited + answered to not do that, but VTC instead?
@Adriaan It has my vote
@AdrianMole Agreed; someone will take a look.
@RyanM You agree that I'm getting (more) cynical in my old age and will send round a specialist to investigate? ;-)
@AdrianMole might be too late for that
@AdrianMole regrettably, "cynicism" is not in our list of CM escalation templates.
They'd be too busy with the mods, I think.
09:18
Is this question OK nowadays? Popped up in NATO
@Adriaan What would have changed that would make the question no longer OK?
@CodyGray it sounds rather vague to me, plus some answers, including the new one, provide implementations in specific programming languages which don't even mention what language they use
Vague, unanswerable questions were never OK at any time, so that wouldn't be something that has changed, if the question is, in fact, too vague to answer. And questions have never been closable based on the answers that they've received, so that hasn't changed, either, and doesn't apply.
does that new one actually answer the question?
struggling to understand how it does.
@RyanM I think it's supposed to be a Python implementation to dequeue items from a stack
09:22
(waffles)
09:53
stackoverflow.com/q/74108974/5211833 is this spam or just not about programming?
New term for downvoting: "minus report" (Sounds like a Spielberg movie)
Now I'm tempted to R/A flag it, because of the edit and the comments
@Adriaan Yeah, I guess given his comments and update, it’s now become rude/abusive/offensive
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@Adriaan ^nice that they even show evidence of their own rude comments in a screenshot.
I don't get why they said, Otherwise I will flag you? Or did I mis-translate the three stars after the "f"? ;-P
10:03
@AdrianMole hey, if they managed to get a job at Google within 10 minutes of posting that, they've got no need for our help
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they meant fave you, adding us to their list of favorites.
We will, we will FLAG YOU!
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@Adriaan Bad for Google
I've always been skeptical of Google's hiring process...
@AdrianMole Oh, so that is what the stars meant. I always wondered
10:20
@Adriaan Also...I don't even see the relevance the code has to the question. The unexplained code-dumps usually at least try to answer something even if it's just the fantasy of what the question asked. The only word I see in the Q which might have any connection to the answer is in the last line: "I want to know about my faults and loopholes." And the answer shows a loop. Admittedly moon logic but the best I have.
@VLAZ now that I take a second look: that's not even Python syntax, is it? for loops don't go as i++ in Python
Don't know Python. But even if we assume it is a valid loop, it's still completely irrelevant.
@RyanM re this you just deleted, it was plagiarised from here
Knowing the content is copied from SO makes it so much easier to research with code:"<insert line of code here>"
But it's too convenient. Somebody keeps deleting the answers before I can flag them with the source.
I was in the process of writing the applicable flag when someone snipe-deleted the answer
10:27
@Adriaan could be, but I think it's also a leetcode problem based on some web search results?
@VLAZ It's a new psychic flag system we're testing.
@RyanM I think it's rather a problem of the OP not understanding how SO works. They have an answer on the plagiarism target as well + dump code-only answers in wrong languages to questions
Yeah, I'm quite confused as to what's going on.
Last week I have also seen an account that just dumped copy pasted irrelevant code from other SO answers in a short timespan.
@gre_gor Seems to be the same thing. Could be a bot.
Testing how SO's detection services work in order to get around it for spamming purposes?
10:31
Also possible. I am on the opinion something other than "new user is confused" is going on.
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or just trying to give the impression of being a normal member with several answers before they post spam?
10:55
@Vickel back in town :D
11:09
@AmitJoshi This looks like it's had a stream of upvotes to its answers over time. Is this actually without any value? Is there a better post covering those answers?
@cigien Nonetheless, there is no guarantee that OP would agree with them.
11:40
The answer seems totally NAA to me.
Does it?
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@SunderamDubey link only -> NAA see meta.stackexchange.com/questions/225370/…
Thanks, understood.
12:06
@RyanM I am sure I seen this many times. I tried to [quick search]([nhibernate] [nhibernate-mapping] .hbm.xml embedded resource). The post I found is this. But I am sure there are many more those might not be fitting in that search criteria. Removing "embedded resource" from search gives 113 results; not all of them match though.
Apart from that, the naming syntax ".hbm.xml" is very common knowledge; clearly mentioned in all documentations. One can only miss it just by negligence (that is why typo).
Ohh.. that link formatting is completely destroyed in above chat; may be due to square brackets of tags in search. Search "[nhibernate] [nhibernate-mapping] .hbm.xml embedded resource"
12:48
@Adriaan Without affiliation, it's unlikely to be sustained. Self-deleted now
@Machavity ah, thanks. Can't retract the flag though, since it's been deleted. Spammy language thus doesn't factor into the red flag decision?
@Adriaan It can, but only when they're trying to hide the link (i.e. linked punctuation) or when they use SEO keywords. That one just looks like an overzealous user
I undeleted it if you want to retract
wait, you can't retract spam flags on deleted posts? even with 10k?
@Machavity thanks; retracted and reflagged as NAA
@RyanM at least not if you're a pink elephant
And deleted again for being NAA ;)
12:58
Is this bad enough to spam-flag for no affiliation? There's at least some kind of an answer here.
@GeneralGrievance I'd say yes. It doesn't have affiliation and all the contents are copied from behind that link, thus not writing any "own" content. Bit weird though, since you cannot plagiarise yourself
@GeneralGrievance I ended up using a custom flag
-100 penalty seems a bit harsh to me on this.
@GeneralGrievance If that's the only instance, I'd say no. Needs an edit to indicate affiliation. Now, if they do that a lot (which doesn't seem to be the case), whole different ball of wax
Yeah, I've checked for that too.
@Machavity it's still the "copied-content only" case of the referencing help page, although you can't technically plagiarise yourself
13:06
@Adriaan And that's why I'm leaving it. Not sure you need to quote block your own content. Could be an interesting Meta debate, tho
I think there are circles in academia where self-plagiarism actually can get you into some trouble.
@GeneralGrievance trouble, yes. Self-plagiarism though isn't a thing as confirmed by a Dutch judge a few years ago. One of the prime ground for plagiarism is "copied without permission". You cannot give yourself no permission to copy your own content
@Machavity off to meta I go; meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/333388/… this covers the other direction (copying SO to your own blog)
@Machavity I've started a question about that. Feel free to edit it if I didn't phrase it clear enough
@Machavity does it make a difference that they wrote the blog and answer on the same date? That happens more often; people write a blog, then search for (old) questions on SO to link their blog on, or write a summarised answer and link to their blog for full details
@AmitJoshi This is a completely different error message, though; there's no discoverability there for people experiencing the second error. I think it would be much better served by reopening and closing as a duplicate instead if it is truly the same problem. It is clearly useful to searchers/readers, so deletion is the wrong move here
cc @RyanM
@Adriaan Yeah, it does. It's a bit more suspicious when that happens.
@Machavity they did do that in this case; blog shows the same creation date. It looks as if they wrote an extended answer, decided to post that as a blog and paraphrased the code-bits to SO
@Adriaan Good catch, but I still think it nets the same result. It's odd to have your blog post and a late answer at roughly the same time. But there could be an argument that the question inspired the blog post. The key, as always, is patterns.
13:41
@Machavity no pattern here though. It's not one of those "I've written a blog post and went to SO to link-dump it to 10 posts", it does seem pretty tailored
This is still a one-off. A lot of folks are like "Hey, watch this video/read this blog" and they make a bunch of answers and such
Makes it easy to take action
@AmitJoshi There are also stackoverflow.com/questions/19633321/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/8482372/… not to mention others (using this query
some gold badge mjolniring may be in order for someone with an nhibernate gold badge :-)
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (as discussed above, this shouldn't be deleted, and two objections have been raised)
13:57
@Adriaan If possible, it would be nice to ask about whether block-quotes would be required. I see you edited that bit out to focus on the "new content" bit. Which is fine, of course, it's your question, but the block-quote bit was an interesting edge case that I can't find a previous meta discussion about.
@cigien IMHO: no, based on my answer's existing logic.
(happy to address that specific part in the answer if @Adriaaan wants to add it to the question; just shoot me a ping)
@blackgreen I see a comment on the dupe target that says Go has generics now. So shouldn't the target be closed as no repro?
@Machavity If it's copied from somewhere, a block quote is preferred regardless of who wrote it
@RyanM Agreed. I would say it follows equally from the logic here, but at least one user is not happy about that, as the comments on Adriaan's question show, so having something explicit is always nicer.
@TylerH Old versions of the language still exist, so it's reproducible; it could be edited to say "before version X", or one could address the addition in an answer.
@cigien Although, the focus in that discussion is more about the "new content", so maybe there being no requirements about block-quoting wouldn't be an issue.
14:10
@AdrianMole better now?
> Was this Question answered or resolved?
^ Question with 4 other answers, one accepted
What is the policy again for wholly-copied content for an answer?
@RyanM oh yeah, I forgot about old versions
which is ironic because all the .net apps I maintain are .net framework
web forms, no less
@TheMaster Ah, so this is the behavior you were talking about yesterday...
@TylerH stackoverflow.com/help/referencing - generally, don't copy the entire contents of stuff you didn't write, even with attribution, and generally add some context. Generally. It's sort of case-by-case.
@RyanM Thanks; for reference I am asking with this post in mind stackoverflow.com/a/2477945/2756409
@TylerH ahhhhh...yeah, that's...too much, IMHO. Also the attribution leaves something to be desired (not quoted, at the bottom of the post)
Also, that's most of the blog post, verbatim, with nothing added.
14:24
@TylerH yes but it never gets enough votes in the close queue, and it otherwise doesn’t qualify for a cv-pls
see Ryan's remark above about old versions; there's arguably value in not closing it since old versions of Go can be used
and the two main answers now include mentions of Go including Generics since v 1.18 as well
@RyanM should I flag this?
@Nick There's no guarantee, sure, but the edit doesn't appear to deviate from the OP's intent in any way. The added examples aren't guesses, they're based on the textual description the OP wrote. I wouldn't worry about conflicting with the OP's intent in this case.
@RyanM Wow! How did that happen? I mean, not even you moddy thingies can just vanish votes away with no record of there ever having been any. Must be some kind of superpower given to those who get paid for what they (can) do. :)
@TylerH Yes :)
... although, thinking about it, I guess deleting all the accounts that gave upvotes would achieve the same effect.
14:34
@AdrianMole Yes, this is most likely what happened
voting ring
@TylerH debatable; the question is based on outdated premises, doesn’t prompt. Great answers that aren’t POB and surely it doesn’t need new ones that would inevitably contain little more than a link to some blog or announcement. I might as well hammer it with some other target that talks about generics in detail, but… in the end it’s a meh question that does little harm
I fully support hammering it if there's another better question about 'does Go support Generics' instead of 'Why doesn't Go support generics'
:-)
IIRC there is one like that. A few months ago I extensively reviewed all old questions tagged [go][generics], but I can’t find it now. I’ll have a look again later
@TheMaster I love that euphemistic use of the word, "corrected". :)
14:49
@AdrianMole Nope, it'd say "User was removed" if we did that, rather than "Voting corrected". (cc @TylerH) We had some help.
(or whatever the user-removed message is; it's something like that)
They raised the bat signal :-)
@TylerH yeah, we should do...something about that. Not sure what. Too tired for plagiarism ^^;
probably delete it, but maaaaybe just better attribution. also not sure about disassociation.
Well, I raised a flag and referenced the information you provided so hopefully something will come of it :-)
All those "voting corrected" scores should, IMHO, be redirected to the user who first raises the alarm on such a post.
part of my thought about preserving it somehow is that the original is gone, so maybe we want to lean in favor of preservation.
14:54
:)
@RyanM You could delete everything but the link to the archive.org page and convert it to a comment
@AdrianMole awaiting the first example of meta-fraud where you turn in your own voting ring
Report all users who upvoted Jon Skeet -> become Jon Skeet.
> How much is beautiful when people put -1 at your post without answer the question LOL...
^ it goes without saying that that's a comment below an answer
15:09
At least it wasn't a second answer.
Kind of surprising, when you think about it
I try not to think
@NathanOliver All my problems stem from thinking
 
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16:19
> I don't understand why there are no comments here, someone should have at least said thanks. Well thanks, that clears it.
What is the deal with linked punctuation spam anyway? Are they trying to discretely hide a link to a spam site so it will be ranked higher in search engine results?
More chorizo than spam, that one.
@CodyGray I honestly feel like you're trolling me at this point.
(wait, maybe the other stuff was in meta room... this chat summary interface leaves a lot to be desired)
@KarlKnechtel lol he's picking an argument with you? :D
@KarlKnechtel The secret to understanding Cody is that his arguments are like line dancing
@bad_coder I complained about a comment exchange where I was trying to explain to someone not to offer a tool rec for a (closed, at -4) question where (apparently; I am not a SME) the only reasonable way to do it is with one specific tool, and he reopened the question. The question wasn't (AFAICT) even about writing code, but about organizing and managing it.
I'm pretty sure that, for example, "how can I <do the basic things a CVS does>?" doesn't become on topic just because OP is unaware that it's expected to use an actual CVS for that (as opposed to making manual backups, or scheduling one's own cron job to make backups, or programmatically writing code to copy the source files somewhere)
17:06
@KarlKnechtel you see, apparently Cody has a degree in arguments (yeah to everyone's surprise you can graduate at Uni in that field..!) So we're dealing with a pro, the professional ethos seems to come into play every so often, not only that but the man also has a strong personality...
What I've come to learn in dealing with Cody is that the arguments aren't to be taken too much to heart, he'll be a better person tomorrow and you're likely to grow in mutual respect.
(no actual argument was presented this time)
@KarlKnechtel yes, the man was line dancing 🇨🇱
@KarlKnechtel @bad_coder that is enough for now. I assume @CodyGray will invite the both of you to a new room to settle the dispute, if that is needed / warranted. We're not continuing the discussion without the subject present.
@rene I was about to ping him, this is the usual good humor (I was saving up these humorous remarks for our next conversation).
ah, it indeed was in meta
@rene the ping tab-completed for me...
17:16
Good
but I will go there so I can use the reply feature properly.
o/ back to work
@RyanM How would there be an unhandled spam flag on a deleted post? You can't red-flag a post that was already deleted and they're automatically marked helpful upon deletion for any reason. Am I missing an edge case?
race condition
That would have been funnier if Henry had decided to split up the message and Dharman posted in the middle.
 
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21:13
@mickmackusa I don't think custom code references need to be in English, just the body of the question
@TylerH I agree with you, but if the SQL was in English, then maybe the question would have clarity.
Even the answer asks for clarity
21:30
Any SMEs want to see if any part of this is answering the OP's question? Or is it all just critiquing the other answer? stackoverflow.com/a/29872588
21:59
Need more help with the links: stokia.com. If anyone wants to edit some posts.
 
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23:37
@HenryEcker Self-deletion doesn't mark red flags helpful, only deletion by other users or moderators.
@RyanM why? Did people spam on alt accounts flag on their main then delete it to increase there helpful flags in the past or something
@Ethan It prevents evading red-flag penalties by self-deleting the post before it hits six red flags.
@RyanM Makes sense

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