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12:23 AM
 
@user16217248 yes, and it is. Way too much information to debug
 
12:45 AM
Okay, my earlier cvpls on stackoverflow.com/q/74090767/2943403 can be changed to a duplicate closure. I've commented the dupe target under the question.
 
@mickmackusa not an appropriate dupe, using an array can still give you the wrong result: 3v4l.org/SRM5N
 
1:07 AM
NATO Unclear/Ambiguous question with no MCVE (we don't know if they want to sum rows or columns) Not a good fit for Stack Overflow. stackoverflow.com/q/2854006/2943403
@Nick Okay, then use my strtr() link -- it will guarantee that longer strings are replaced before shorter strings.
 
@mickmackusa too late, I already closed with a couple of others. feel free to edit...
 
@Nick Ah good, you closed it. I'm sure there are many targets that will suffice; I"m not fussed which ones are used.
 
@mickmackusa indeed, the question asks for the sum of a row and the answer gives the sum of a column...
 
1:28 AM
@tink this one is being voted to close and it's bound for deletion. I think integration is a legit focused Q, if you want this actioned some other way let me know your opinion.
 
1:39 AM
I wanted to ask a question here about whether a canonical question exists for a specific question I found. I decided to post on meta instead since it seemed better for extended discussion. Here's a link: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/420890/11107541.
 
@david-fong I don't know, that's not the sort of issue I usually deal with...
 
1:58 AM
@bad_coder ok. Thanks for spending the time to read my question :)
 
@david-fong tbh I didn't read it, extensions and userscripts just aren't my thing. If I need something like that I always ask someone else to point me in the right direction.
I mean, I could make a serious effort and probably hurt myself by forcing me to read it. I'd come away thinking:"huh?!" no smarter or more knowledgeable than I was before, I don't think it would make me a better curator either, I just can't evaluate questions like that.
 
@bad_coder ok. Thanks for _nothing_ >:(
(jk thanks for the advice)
 
@david-fong don't worry, I'm not going to lie... If it were something about Haskell I'd have a better chance of understanding it. But don't worry, lots of folks here like userscripts they'll take a look at it.
 
@bad_coder cheers for the pointer, I'm not fussed ... IMHO wcd or fsf would make far more sense than what they're trying to do.
 
@tink I'm actually a fan of wrapping stuff in one language to call another... I know, it's not a good practice but I like seeing if things are possible :P
@tink did I tell about that time I tried to construct a distributed system using AWK...?!
 
2:05 AM
LOL ... I don't know whether you mentioned it while I was around ....
 
@tink LOL, I've been trying hard not to tell that story ... :P
 
Heh. Make it a blog post and perma-link it ;)
 
hahahah maybe one day I will, I still have the code on an old HD somewhere...
 
What should be done when a SO question is a duplicate of a unix.stackexcange.com question? stackoverflow.com/q/73216929/11107541
 
2:28 AM
@david-fong not much to do, best thing is leaving a link to the post as a comment under the question. Also, flag away at any NLN comments so the link is featured towards the top.
 
Ooops ... I may have jumped the gun here, but I think this question doesn't belong on Stack Overflow ... too broad, no effort.
 
@tink not just too broad, but there's also sure to be a quazilion dupes already...
 
2:47 AM
Is this stackoverflow.com/q/71560381/11107541 on-topic for SO? It has useful information, but I'm not sure if it's on-topic.
 
@david-fong I agree it's not strictly about programming but I think it's reasonable... for example you might want to build a regex which matched all those characters
 
3:02 AM
@Nick ok. would it be a good idea to comment saying that to protect against close votes?
 
@david-fong I think people will form their own idea as to whether it could be closed, and if enough people think so, it will be. It doesn't really matter if it does get closed, as it shouldn't be automatically deleted.
 
@Nick ok. Makes sense.
 
 
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4:32 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis There seems to be an MCVE there. It might help to leave a comment asking OP for the information that's necessary to make the question answerable.
 
5:06 AM
Are UML activity diagram questions like this on-topic?
 
Is SO down for everyone else?
...and it's back
 
 
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jps
9:23 AM
We just got spam from an account that was created almost 3 yrs ago and had zero posts. Strange...
 
@jps hacked perhaps?
 
jps
that's what I thought.. Most spam seems to come from newly created accounts, sometimes a couple of days after creation, but 3 yrs seems odd.
 
10:06 AM
@jps quite a "long con"
 
10:27 AM
 
11:17 AM
 
12:07 PM
@mickmackusa now eligible for del-pls... both answers are the same and don't produce the desired output (which as you say, is completely undefined as to how it should come about from the input array)
 
12:20 PM
@VLAZ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
@Nick in general, when you feel like array_filter(..in_array()) is the right solution, then use one of the optimised array diff/intersect functions. stackoverflow.com/a/73918371/2943403
 
@mickmackusa I like your answer, but it doesn't win any prizes for being an obvious solution to the problem. Also if you're sorting then you are O(nlogn) which is not necessarily faster than the O(n*m) of array_filter/in_array.
@mickmackusa Also OP specifically asked about filtering and then passing parameters to the array_filter callback in the comments.
 
12:48 PM
@Adriaan translates to spam. Please flag...
 
@Nick have done, thanks
 
1:23 PM
@jps don't rule out accounts that get compromised. Not sure if mods can see login history but there are tons of accounts that get created and either never ask a question and get logged into again or that ask a question which subsequently gets deleted, and then they never log in again
if they used shared credentials w/ some other service the account could get compromised that way
 
1:37 PM
@jps It is unusual, but not unheard of
 
2:23 PM
rip
 
Question about this room: how is SOCVR actually pronounced? So far, I've just been thinking about it as "sock-vee-ar" like some sort of virtual reality sock. But I don't know if there is anything official that supports or denies that.
 
esso see-vee-are
Maybe it's worth a question on Meta? ;-)
 
do you also call json "jason"
 
Is SO very slow for anyone else as well? It takes over half a minute to load a page for me; other sites aren't affected
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@Adriaan Yes, same. I was just going to ask the same question, too.
 
2:27 PM
Yes, it was offline for maintenance within the last few minutes
 
@KevinB Yes. With the first syllable slightly shorter (but not sure if it sounds any different to "jason" to anybody else)
 
@Adriaan I think the DDoSer is back
 
stackoverflow
 
In Scotland, the letter, "J," is generally pronounced as "jai" (rhymes with its predecessor rather than with its follower), so Jason doesn't get involved in JSON.
 
So, is it more like "jai-son"?
 
2:34 PM
@VLAZ with additional haggis and whisky
 
For the Scottish, at least
 
Dunno. What's JSON? And who's this Jason fellow? Was he the one with the big ship and the Golden Sheep's jacket?
 
@AdrianMole No, it's the one you have to press X for
 
2:53 PM
@AdrianMole So the solution to problems in JSON is to drink more Scotch?
 
That solves a lot of problem. Well, for a while at least.
Some of the problems come back the next morning. With friends.
 
Open question with +1 and no answers shouldn't be roomba'd right? The forecaster is suggesting otherwise for this question. stackoverflow.com/questions/34233074/…
 
Okay, enough scotch, let's keep this chat on-topic everyone :)
guys, meta questions aren't loading up for me, is that the same case for everyone else?
the ones on the homepage of meta.stackoverflow
 
3:13 PM
@Stranger Looks like it's just you; Meta and its questions are loading just fine foro me
 
I opened firefox and for some reason it's loading up on that but not on Chrome. It just shows blank for me no matter how much I refresh.
 
Check to make sure you don't have some browser add-on that is blocking content or some weird proxy setting in Chrome. But it's loading fine in both browsers for me.
 
Okay, that was weird. Logging out and logging in somehow made it work. Anyways, thanks!
 
@AdrianMole JavaScript Object Notation (Json is also a valid capitalization), a less-useful way to achieve what XML achieves, but probably still better than the YAML way.
 
We had to unplug Meta for a minute to run the coffee maker. Sorry about that
 
3:17 PM
Ahh I see, no problem.
But tea would've been better :/
Tea is much superior.
 
@Machavity pfft, Engineer should know better than to run 14-2 circuit for outlets, especially in kitchen or break room
 
Or even in bathroom, smh.
 
@Stranger rename-pls Meta -> Metea
 
@TylerH Funny enough, I did all the wiring for our kitchen remodel and I put separate circuits on either side of the stove. When asked, I explained that the coffee maker is like 1100W. If we throw in, say, our 8Q Instapot, that's about 2200W
 
@miken32 Yeah, AFAIK it shouldn't Roomba. Seems like a problem with the forecaster but not sure why it would be.
 
3:22 PM
@VLAZ sure thing : )
 
A 20A circuit is 2400W. Running the same circuit on both sides could easily put that over budget
 
@Machavity Do yourself and us a favor and switch to tea instead of coffee, meta SO will function much better if you do that.
No more maintenance, no more lags, a perfect experience all thanks to tea.
 
@Machavity good practice to have at least two circuits for countertop outlets, and also good practice to alternate each outlet between circuits so no two adjoining outlets are on the same circuit
(and obviously 20A for them)
I like the adage of aiming for what your electrical load will look like in 10 years, not today
(or further into the future, even)
Now, get off my back about running that line in conduit out to the shed; I swear I'll get to it some day....
 
line to our shed is just bare wire underground, kinda fun
 
@KevinB THHN/THWN? Or did you actually bury romex
direct burial wire exists (THHN/THWN) but needs to be 2 feet down per the NEC (although many people who run their own probably skimp on that)
 
3:30 PM
@TylerH Just be sure to use THHN. I hired an electrician to fix mine after the landscaper hit it and the moron undersized the wire and ran NM (and he was using the bare ground for neutral). Had to dig it back up and rerun THHN-2
 
just some cheap wire, we had to find it a few years ago when we had to work on the sewage line that runs underneath it
 
Just don't be my neighbor and bury an extension cord 3 inches under ground and then forget about it
 
probably about 6 inches down
been there since we bought the house, should probably do something about it one day
 
FWIW I cheated and the conduit is only about 6" down (hard to dig and there's a lot of pipes to complicate it) but I can live with it like that
 
@Machavity I plan to use THWN in PVC currently, though that might change depending on how our plans for an addition go in the next couple of months, since the addition will be right where the wire will leave the house. Don't want to put all that work in trenching and running the wire and conduit if in 5 months we are gonna have a crew here digging it back up
@Machavity yeah, 6" is probably fine for most applications, and that's actually code if you used metal, but I'm guessing you used PVC?
 
3:34 PM
Yeah, it's PVC. Not to code, but workable as-is
 
OK, sorry folks. DIY.SE discussion ending now :-P back to your regularly scheduled SO Close Vote programming!
 
We can take a vote on if your shed door will close after the wiring is done. That's on topic, right? :P
 
@miken32 Ah, got it. Took...an embarrasing amount of time to just open the roomba help page where it says that if the owner is deleted, then a score of 1 will qualify the question for the roomba
 
@VLAZ that's interesting; I didn't think to check the help page either. I've never known about that qualifier
 
3:54 PM
@miken32 Me neither. ...I debugged the forecaster which had some code that checked for a deleted user and a comment that the max score then is 1. Which prompted me to actually check the roomba criteria.
 
@VLAZ lol that seems like the path a true programmer would take
 
making assumptions and then questioning anything that questions the assumptions, like a true programmer :-P
 
As I said, it was an embarrassing amount of time
@TylerH Eventually question your own sanity when facts don't add up. Question the facts. Figure out you misread one of them. Now it doesn't make sense how it ever worked.
 
lol
@VLAZ a quarterly cycle, at least
 
jps
4:19 PM
spam or just totally OT?
 
4:30 PM
ugh, just found a user who adds the same series of (completely irrelevant) emoji at different points throughout every single post (and comment, it looks like) that they make, regardless of whether it's a question or an answer
why are people the way they are
 
4:45 PM
@user16217248 They'll get cleaned up on the next weekly run.
They're barely a month old
@user16217248 And, if I can make a suggestion, your review in the FQ queue on the latter question was incorrect, you should have voted to close as unfocused or a resource request
 
@user16217248 Because Roomba has not run for more than a week and who knows when and if it ever will again.
 
@AdrianHHH I've edited out the explicit request for resources, so it's just a "how-to" question now. Answers can still recommend plugins/add-ons, so they're not invalidated. Is it worth leaving open now?
 
@miken32 So if it is that unfocused, just flag, not share feedback?
 
@user16217248 You can do both; flag (or vote once you have the rep) for closure, and then you can choose to share feedback. But with that question it's unlikely OP could add anything that would make it on topic.
 
5:02 PM
@cigien Looks like a good question now. Most of the answers are offsite links, that answer the original resource request. Should we flag the answers as VLQ?
 
@AdrianHHH This answer is NAA (or VLQ). The others seem ok to me, they at least explain workarounds, and in one case there's information on how to install and use the plugin. I wouldn't flag the other answers myself.
 
Thanks.
Can a room owner please delete my recent CV-PLS.
 
^ @rene
 
Should I flag link only answers as NAA, or as VLQ (or does it even matter)?
 
@user16217248 Doesn't really matter but VLQ is maybe a bit better (marked helpful if the answer is edited and link-only answers are somewhat more likely to be edited into shape, but not much)
 
5:15 PM
@AdrianHHH can you link to the exact message next time? That spares me a few cycles digging through your history guessing / hoping I pick the right one. See also socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-mod-flag
 
 
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6:42 PM
@tink The question may be on-topic on DBA.SE but it is also on-topic here; working with Postgres is certainly something programmers do. If you feel the question is close-worthy for another reason, you may re-request here.
 
6:55 PM
User wants to answer. User sees close votes piling up. User adds a answer containing some random strings. Deletes it immediately. Question closed. User edits deleted answer to add a actual answer. User undeletes answer. There's technically no rule, user seems to be breaking. Is this ok?
 
7:07 PM
@TheMaster given there is a grace period of 6 to 8 hours that you can answer a question that you started to write an answer for I say this is allowed. The deleting / undeleting is not needed, just remove the "disabled" attribute of the post button of the answer.
 
@rene Thanks.
 
@TheMaster here: data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackoverflow/query/1657291 I picked a random user that I know "abused" that loophole.
 
the ironic exemplary behavior in my initial message was unintentional, sadly
In short, the answer should be posted as an answer that answers the question, or it should not be posted at all. You don't have a right to answer a post just because you want to. The post also has to be in an answerable state.
In this I disagree with rene. Don't do it, and downvote content posted in this manner. You can also flag it as NAA or as abusive (although it might take a mod flag to clarify how it is abusive; a R/A flag might not be immediately evident when the post has been edited. Editing the markup of the page to circumvent the system closure process is pretty much the definition of abuse, however benevolently intended rene's examples might be.
 
7:29 PM
but but but if it produces a valuable qa pair what is the harm
 
7:42 PM
interesting suggested edit following a meta post that didn't gain much traction...
 
@TylerH Thanks for the link
 
^^ posting a request here otherwise the edit is bound to never leave the queue.
 
@TylerH In this case, user isn't circumventing anything or changing the markup, as answer is actually posted/deleted before closure. @rene 's sede doesn't work, because creationdate is actually before closuredate
 
eh
those are just technicalities
intent was the same
 
@TylerH I disagree with your disagreement.
 
7:51 PM
@rene Well now we have to find a room and argue about it
Do you want a 5 minute argument or a 10 minute argument
 
What is the price of a 10 minute argument?
 
You don't want to know the price of the 10 minute argument
 
I'll go for the 5 minute one in that case.
 
8:15 PM
@TylerH - well, programmers also write documentation (I hope?), that doesn't make installation issues with word on-topic. Obviously once again perceptions vary ;)
 
@KevinB While it's possible for the Q&A pair to be of value, it's relatively unlikely, on average. If the question was in a state where it should be closed, then posting an answer can be anything from actively harmful (up to destroying any possibility of the question being edited into a state where it could be reopened, without deleting the answer) to something which could redeem the question, assuming that the OP gives some indication that the answerer's interpretation of the question was correct. Unfortunately, it's impossible to know without seeing a specific example.
 
@TylerH Now let's get one thing clear, I really do want to know
 
@Nick I am glad that you enlightened me (Which is better: O(nm) or O(n log n)?). I was under the false impression the nlogn was better than mn. I guess I need to do some benchmarking across a range of sample sets.
 
8:55 PM
@Nick perhaps it is safe for me to presume better performance with array_uintersect() because its callback makes no iterated function calls and the array_filter() callback makes iterated in_array() calls. So on the basis of making fewer iterated function calls, it should be more performant.
 
9:08 PM
@mickmackusa almost certainly so, but if n >> m it might not be.
 
9:31 PM
 
10:21 PM
 
@mickmackusa Hard to say, definitely looks unclear to me! I'm just going through cleaning up chatter about downvotes from answers in my spare time, honestly haven't been paying too much attention to the questions unless they're blatantly off topic like resource requests or opinion solicitations
 
Is there a way to close a question that has no understanding of json syntax? stackoverflow.com/q/26865267/2943403
 
@mickmackusa what about all the other users who have no understanding of json syntax who might find that helpful?
 
 
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11:39 PM
@Nick I mean is there a canonical or better page?
 
11:55 PM
ah, gotcha...
 

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