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02:14
@bad_coder The suggested target doesn't seem right. There's only one delimiter in the OP's question. I've added a target that seems applicable.
I'm not sure any of the targets address the random sampling aspect of the question (although that is the part of the code that's already working so maybe it's not important.)
Meh, I added one to the list in case someone looking for how to get a random value from a list stumbles across that Q&A
02:33
@HenryEcker I think that Q&A should be deleted pronto... There's tens of thousands of CSV Q's all asking the same (in the last comma burnination hundreds such Qs were deleted)...
@cigien if the OP can't take index 0 of an array after a working read CSV snippet I don't know what would help them.
@MFerguson that's awesome, I haven't had much time for foreign language study lately...
@bad_coder I don't see how helping the OP is relevant here. The duplicate target needs to be a duplicate, that's all I'm saying.
@HenryEcker I actually found a limitation in the Python CSV library (I have the snippet somewhere) that is: you can't define a dialect with a whitespace delimiter and nothing else... But as with all the good Qs I have I'm just to lazy/busy to post it. After much searching SO no one had posted it before.
I mean, who in their right mind would attempt posting a new Python CSV Q on SO?!... :P
@Nimantha dang, does anyone still calculate Fourier series by hand?!
03:00
@bad_coder - Haha that seems complex... this is is just a joining 2 data sets (although the blend details are not shown in this case). Blending data in Google Data Studio is more visual - dragging and dropping fields - so there are no written SQL statements
@Nimantha lol, I've been getting a strange feeling: a lot of programmers ask about time series likely without knowing how to calculate a series, or a time series...
03:27
@bad_coder If by block, you mean ignore, you can click on the user profile on the top right, and under "Actions" in the dropdown, you can select "ignore this user (everywhere)". You can also navigate to the user's chat profile, and do the same action there. There's also a way to ignore a user per chatroom/per site, or something like that, I'm not entirely sure. You can also choose to just not respond to my messages, which doesn't require any site features.
I'm sorry to hear that I get on your nerves. Obviously, that's not my intent, and I'm not entirely sure how to rephrase my messages in a way that doesn't have that effect, but I'll try and see how I can improve upon them.
03:50
@bad_coder This is at least extremely passive-aggressive, fairly unfriendly, and certainly not productive. I'm also not sure what your issue is with cigien's messages. We're all trying to work together here to curate the site, and ensuring proper closure is part of that.
You've previously expressed issue with people disagreeing with your requests. We allow and encourage polite disagreement here; this sort of response to it is really not acceptable. You're not required to respond to anyone, and you may also politely disagree with someone's objections, but this sort of sarcastic "hey how do I block you?" crosses a line.
@RyanM Can I have permission to give SD feedback in this room? I'm regularly in Charcoal HQ, but being able to give feedback here would be handy (I've ran into that a few times, even though I almost always use FIRE)
@cocomac brought it up in the RO backroom, will let you know
@RyanM Alright, thank you!
04:09
@RyanM I'd say no. It's simple and direct.
@RyanM Would you mind moving my message as well? It's out of place without the context.
@bad_coder If you have a specific issue you'd like to address, you could have raised that in an effort to resolve it. Otherwise, there's absolutely no reason to specifically bring up whom you want to block, and even less reason to direct the question about how to block someone at them specifically.
@HenryEcker → 1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
@RyanM it's a clear statement of intent and cause. There's nothing uncivil about what I wrote.
04:25
@bad_coder "gotten on my nerves enough for me to block him" is not a useful or actionable statement of cause. It's just a vague statement that they annoy you, with no explanation of why. And you haven't addressed the fact that there was no reason to ask them how to do it. As I said yesterday about an unrelated matter: if you don't need a specific person to respond, you can just ask without pinging anyone.
To be clear: this behavior of calling out users in the room who've done nothing wrong isn't acceptable. Please don't do it again.
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@RyanM I don't have to elaborate an explanation, it's my statement of intent and I don't intend to loose another second compiling cause from the transcript.
You're not required to explain your decision to ignore someone, as long as you don't post passive-aggressive messages telling them and the room about it.
@RyanM that compound adjective doesn't apply, as I've explained earlier.
That's a matter of opinion; regardless, you may mentally remove "passive-aggressive" and the message still applies.
I'm not particularly interested in a long debate about this. As a room owner, I'm stating that this isn't acceptable. I'm happy to explain my decision, but I don't wish to argue at length about it.
@RyanM you're the one making an argument, it's been settled on my part since the first sentence.
04:40
@bad_coder What RyanM has been trying to point out is that your message was confrontational. It escalated the situation, rather than deescalated. It would have been possible for you to ask the room in general something like "how do I block a user in chat?" Specifically asking the person you were wanting to block, while explicitly telling them that you are intending to block them, and especially the sarcastic "So congrats for that" is passive-aggressive.
But, regardless of what it's labeled, it's inappropriate.
04:52
@Makyen so how would you have done it Makyen? Maybe "don't ping me again" + "cease and desist" would have been the right approach?
@bad_coder Depending on how you phrased it, requesting that something not ping you again is quite legitimate. Basically, as long as it was such a request was said in a civil manner, it should be fine. Asking someone to stop talking to you is also legitimate. If you just wanted to know about how to block/ignore someone, then a general question to the room would have been reasonable.
@Makyen now, last time I asked (actually 2 or 3 times spanning more than 1 year) I was told that "please don't ping me again" wasn't an acceptable request. Otherwise I would have taken it.
05:08
@bad_coder That's going to depend on what you're asking about and what your actions are. Asking not to be pinged implies that you are also choosing to not engage in actions for which pinging you would be the normal response. If you continue to perform actions for which it would be normal for the other person to ping you, then the situation is substantially more complicated.
Are you talking about not wanting to get pings in here about requests that you post in here? That would be a more complex situation, as we expect everyone who posts a request to be amenable to people pinging them for clarifications and/or to discuss concerns.
@SurajRao It's definitely VLQ (image only once the noise is edited out). I think it could be edited into an answer, but it'd just end up being a duplicate of an existing answer which also recommends -D{parameter}
@Makyen well yes and no, last time I asked it was boiled down to complaint about harassment. IOW providing a structured case of evidence from the transcript that shows something going beyond reasonable or acceptable for regular posting of requests.
@HenryEcker I just realised the other answer I linked is by the same author. It looks like was meant to be a response to the review comment from Community
that image needs to be an edit?
Yeah. I think that was an attempt to add the "additional supporting information" the review comment asked for give the new answer was posted 12 minutes after getting that comment.
In any case I moved the screenshot into the first answer. The second can be removed.
FAQ rule #14 may be relevant: "Avoid extended discussion about requests, but be prepared to provide reasoning if asked to do so. We don't have to agree about a close/delete request. We're not a democracy. However, users posting requests that are blatantly wrong will be told so. The final verdict is up to the RO team."
So it's perfectly fine to tell someone that their request is invalid. The problem is then the user posting invalid requests, not the one pointing that out. That should be in everybody's interest considering we are judged on MSO. No one is forced to participate in SOCVR, so if you don't like the (sensible) rules....
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06:19
That's some powerful tagging from the spammer. It looks scarily like a real user did it.
06:53
how much rep required to review edits?
07:13
hiya
did anyone of you properly water our @rene while I was not around?
o/
train
@Queen train
um nope
@tripleee the answer(s) provide useful information, yes, it's not on-topic, but should we delete it?
07:28
the answer is not particularly useful IMHO; there are better and more detailed duplicates on sites where it's on-topic
ok, if there are posts on other SE sites that do a better job on this topic, then I assume it's OK to delete it here too
@tripleee shouldn't we flag as R/A instead?
you can do that too of course, but I assume it has already been flagged (by myself, among others)
I think (not 100% sure) that R/A flags work like the spam ones, 6 flags delete the post, if that's true, then that would give better feedback to the system
yeah, I correctly remembered :) meta.stackexchange.com/questions/58032/…
"Spam or rude or abusive flags ("red flags") receive an extremely high priority in the moderator flag queue and come with severe penalties ... Upon receiving six red flags, the post will be locked and deleted, and the author will lose 100 reputation"
yup, thanks for clarifying
is the answer Spam, or R/A? :)
based on its content, it qualifies for both :)
good question, I simply voted to delete as it's useless regardless
@tripleee spammers need to be treated accordingly
08:09
@Cristik if you have evidence to share to prove that it's actually spam, please do; I did not spend time investigating, but the fact that it's junk does not alone warrant a spam flag
a link to someone's instagram, followed by gibberish, is cleary Spam or R/A, no need to follow the link
no argument about R/A, the spam verdict requires some amount of promotion (a random Rickroll link isn't spam for Youtube, for example)
you make a good point here, it could be the instagram link provides all kind of rude content, so the post is 100% R/A
08:53
@bad_coder Adrian is correct, the exact translation is "no to war"
 
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10:09
Do we need to disambiguate ? The subject referred to in this question appears to be this stuff, which doesn't seem at all related to the thing described in the tag Wiki.
... maybe the 'new' one (in the question I linked) should just be changed to mercury-hpc?
10:52
Saw it already on metasmoke but I just think it's quite amusing
is there a way I can add information to a pending custom mod flag?
@blackgreen I am not sure of the "canonical" way to do this, but you can delete and re-submit the edited custom flag.
@blackgreen You can retract and flag again
Yeah, no edits on flags :/
11:07
uhm... sounds reasonable
Resubmitting also means that it's put back at the end of the queue. If that matters.
11:22
I think the answer is low quality, as it is link only and besides the link the rest of one line is unnecessary.
@SunderamDubey I don't think it's link-only. Remove the link and there is some substance - suggests that the configuration is wrong.
It even says which configuration and for what.
staying within the mod flag char limit makes me feel like I'm in the 90s writing textspeak on a Nokia 3310
@blackgreen It's how Twitter started.
Erm, technically.
@SunderamDubey See the FAQ When to flag an answer as "not an answer" for what constitutes a flag-worthy link-only answer. What you linked to doesn't look like one.
I'm sure mods are thrilled to basically have their own private Twitter.
12:22
stackoverflow.com/a/72659107/4826457 NAA ? or question is typo?
13:08
RO please delete my most recent cvpls no repro request. I'm going to post an answer. I think I misunderstood the question.
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, per request
13:41
eh
someone posts a repeat of an answer from 2013 and now another user wants to bounty it because it just shows lots of examples whereas the 2013 one only showed one
my man, bounty the original answer, not this copy :-(
@AdrianMole WWFD. What Would Freddie Do?
@TylerH Drink some very heavy, silvery liquid, then catch a spaceship to a very hot, small planet?
 
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@AdrianMole So, mercury-lang and mercury-hpc maybe?
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Q: ​[how-to] burninate this tag?

cocomacSeriously? We have a how-to tag? Well... we shouldn't. Let's go through the criteria: Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? Absolutely not. Other than that the OP wants to know how to do something, no. And that is implied given that they're...

15:26
@VLAZ Maybe. But, with only one Q with the new usage is it worthwhile?
@AdrianMole I didn't check the number of usages. So, dunno. I'd personally say "sure" since it's a real fast disambiguation then. But I wouldn't go and do it by myself
15:50
@SayeedAhmed That is not the purpose of this room. If you need help with moderating it, ie edit/opening/closing then we can help.
@mickmackusa I'm confused; you edited the question to say the asker had already tried the approach in this answer? I don't see any comments or anything saying this.
SO downn?
@NathanOliver Yass
@NathanOliver yup-yup
seems fine for me
16:12
It's back for me
I wonder why that was flagged
16:59
@RO can ^^ be binned? OP promptly added the error message. Thanks,
@NathanOliver ^
@Cristik done
17:57
1 message moved from SOCVR Request Graveyard
18:24
@tink sed questions are generally considered on-topic; but this looks like a typo per comments on the accepted answer. They were neither redirecting to an output file or using sed -i.
@miken32 well .. yeah. I generally don't think that a simple invocation issue (I don't know the options!) is appropriate for SO. Even some of the simpler regex problems seem a bad fit, but there are so many hysterical, errrh, historical precedents that this is hard to argue.
I had many a futile debate here about when the use of a command line tool should be considered programming. As far as I'm concerned anything that just uses sed, find or some other tool by itself is misplaced here.
As for megan's question above - she didn't even describe her actual problem correctly. Had she said in the title "How do I modify a file in place with sed" (which is what the actual issue is) the close reason would have been quite obvious .... although it would probably have been picked as a dupe by others.
19:23
@VLAZ Personally I want to know more about psychically turning on servers. Do they have some sort of brain-wave interface?
available in Java, JavaScript, Python, and C#
...wow, I didn't even notice the tags, amazing.
Everything about the question is glorious.
Answer: "this is a hardware problem. Here is a link to Amazon"
Also that won't even work!
How do you know, are you a psychic?
19:25
If the servers don't come back on when the power restores, why would turning the outlet off/on do anything?!
You either need some sort of IPMI thing, or to buy/configure hardware that turns on when power is restored (common BIOS option).
You just astrally project through it and start the server, duh.
Well yeah, but they wanted non-psychic ways of starting the servers.
@RyanM does Amazon ever work?
BTW, dunno if you noticed but the answer has a comment from the OP which says "thanks I used this" and links to some .java file
(and it's some Wake-on-LAN thing according to the link)
20:14
@tink I agree. I think awk lands on the programming side of the line, due to having variables and conditions. But sed does not, it is just a utility. But as you say, that argument was resolved by the community long ago.
21:09
@miken32 Heh. Sed is actually - believe it or not - turing complete.But that still doesn't make the question "How do I modify a file in-place with sed?" a programming problem, but a problem of "D'oh, I can't read a man-page!" (Or "I don't know how to google!") one. As for sed: have a look at this tetris implementation ;D
@miken32 The asker commented their coding attempt after being asked for their attempt. After I edited the question, the comment was deleted because it was no longer needed.
Ah ok, makes sense. It's deleted now anyway
21:31
I welcome the feedback from anyone in this room regarding the following communication between miken32 and myself.
In reply to miken32's comment, I say:
I 100% disagree. When you see me incorrectly and selfishly routing a bunch of content to one of my answers, then tell me that I am wrong and abusing the system.
But this is not my habit, I typically close with answers from others. In this case, I have crafted a comprehensive answer (which does not need to invite the editing contributions of others). Since I almost exclusively hammer and necropost -- which rarely earns me more than 10 unicorn points/day -- I see this as a fair compensation for the curation hours that I volunteer here every day for the last 1900 consecutive days.
Yes, my new curation style is to wrangle as many dipe pages that I can find one narrow topic, then point all of them to the best page that I can. SO sorely needs this curation.
Recently, I posted a meta question with a hundred duplicate recurive questions. I said that I was struggling to find the best one. After feedback, I pointed to the best, earliest question.
we don't need to hash it out here either. Whether you want to make a post CW is up to you, what others think about that is up to them but at best kept to themselves. Flag the comment as too chatty and move on.
@rene I guess I'd like a sanity check from fellow curators -- NOT the non-curators that engage with MSO.
You're both sane. Move on
Waffles.
delicious, delicious waffles.
21:39
I just went to close a question as a dupe, using a 2009 question as the target that I've used often before, and noticed you'd closed it. As I said, it's just a matter of appearances; there have been concerns raised about gold badge holders doing this in the past. If you thought I was suggesting you were abusing the system, I apologize – that wasn't my intent.
IMHO: there's no need to make a post that a gold-badge user is using as a target CW. If there's an issue with the dupes (e.g., they're inaccurate or there are better targets that they're ignoring to route users to their own post), then that fact would be a relevant thing to note in a moderator flag pointing that out. But otherwise, it's fine.
I'm going to remove the comment now (which, for context, said "If you dupe hammer a pile of historical questions to point here, it might be better, if only for the sake of appearances, to make this a CW answer."), since its message has clearly been conveyed to the appropriate party.
That's fine by me. This is the meta post I was thinking of BTW. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/367491/1255289
Personally, I think that raising any issue of Mjolnir abuse on Meta is just asking for trouble/rants/expressions-of-self-interest, etc. But it is (or can be) a significant issue. If it's a "clear case" (whatever that is) of abuse, then mod-flag it (with historic examples). If it's a, "Should this be allowed..." sort of thing, then either look for one of the (many) dupes on Meta, and maybe post a new answer, there. ...
... but tricky, whatever one chooses to do.
Community wiki
21:50
Community Wiki. Once an answer is made such, no more rep for the poster.
IIRC you have to request a moderator to do it for you if you don't make it CW from the start.
Isn't that for questions?
Ah right, some times I forgot all these acronyms :')
Uhhh. Maybe? I dunno, I can't check since I can do it to whatever post :-p
@RyanM Meh. That Mod UI needs help.
21:52
@MarcoBonelli Clown Wars. It's when our ancient nemesis rises up against us once more.
No. I am dumb. I do see the checkbox, so you can CW an answer with an edit
(actually, I guess I could check on another site. but Marco already beat me to it)
Sorry about that lol
I see the option on an answer I posted a few days back.
Okay, I did not recall correctly, then.
21:53
@MarcoBonelli I dispute that assertion: You are not "dumb". :)
... although, like most of us, you occasionally do things that may make it seem so. :)
@AdrianMole It's been done well in the past. But it is tricky. While mod-flagging is appropriate, those are the absolute worst flags to adjudicate.
However, once done, such an act cannot be undone.
(without asking a moderator)
we can remove CW from posts
@RyanM As far as I understand it, only mods can make CW questions since it turns all current and future answers into CW also which impacts all other current and future answerer's ability to gain reputation. Any user can CW their own answers because it only affects that user.
@RyanM I completely understand. Gold-hammer abuse is one of the nastiest aspects of "privileges" on the whole dang site. Some mods have even suggested just plain removing the whole thing.
21:57
@HenryEcker Yeah, that's correct.
Question: if I CW an answer of mine is the reputation "loss" retroactive? I.E. will I just instantly lose all my fake internet points from that answer?
Good to know
@MarcoBonelli No, in fact, you preserve the current state of your reputation never again to be affected by votes
That's a good idea for when your answer starts getting outdated and people start downvoting it :') - ok I am joking this is probably not good advice lol
21:59
And people certainly do that.
Once you have your ~300 upvotes, and you're not expecting many more, making your answer a CW can make you "look real cool". :-)
@AdrianMole I think privilege-specific suspensions would help a lot there. If you could just suspend someone's ability to edit, or VTC, or delete, or suspend their hammer. The absence of just one ability is much more tangible and more likely to encourage learning about how to use that privilege than a full time-out.
@cocomac that's odd, didn't know it had to be granted on a per-room basis
@MarcoBonelli I don't know why people would do that though. I mean look at the currently lowest scoring post it's +74/-279 accepted answer. That a net positive reputation gain of +197. Like the amount of downvotes you'd need to actually lose reputation on an outdated answer is absurd.
And just to be clear again, since I'm seeing that word being used, I didn't intend to suggest any "abuse" by mickmackusa at all. Any of us who frequent the PHP tag know their contributions and curation are valuable. Sorry for the drama
22:11
@HenryEcker yeah... don't even get me started on that. Nerfing downvotes from -5 to -2 was one of the worst point-blank decisions made network-wide IMHO.
I really don't understand why they're not equally weighted. We already "charge" for downvotes on answers and require 8 times as much reputation to even gain the privilege to cast them.
oh no no no, how dare you being so unwelcoming /s
I was reading the quite "interesting" transcript from earlier today, but at the end of the day I still don't know: is there a way to block/silence users in chat? Don't wanna block anyone, just curious.
Yeah. Chat profiles have an "ignore this user" button. (screenshot)
@HenryEcker thank you
Did someone hear something? XD
22:18
Interesting that you can also ignore mods.
I'm sure they have ways to make themselves heard
True :')
22:38
Page was recently bumped by a "me too" answer. stackoverflow.com/q/70714015/2943403 Am I missing something or is it an Unclear question with a useless attempt at a mcve? If it was clear I might hammer it with an array_uintersect() page.
Unclear at the very least

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