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1:31 AM
^ After the answer that answered the second question was converted to a comment, I removed the second question. Now it should be closed as a dupe.
 
 
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4:47 AM
@AdrianMole it’s not dead. It’s just running [in a different room]( chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/167908/sobotics-workshop) due to some issues. If you need the bot in this room, I might be able to fix this issue this weekend, but I haven’t deployed an update for 2 years 😄
 
5:02 AM
@FelixSFD It definitely doesn't need to be in SOCVR. What was the reason it was "demoted" from the main SOBotics room into the "Workshop"?
 
5:23 AM
site down ...? or just me?
wait, now it works again
 
 
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6:57 AM
@Cristik If you hover over the del-pls request which is marked as invalid, then the tooltip should tell you why the URRS thinks it's an invalid request. Basically, for requests, other than review-pls, approve-pls, and reject-pls, the URRS and Archiver assume that every post which is linked in the message is one to which you are wanting the request applied to.
The only exception to that is for a cv-pls request which includes a link to a question which is actually used as a duplicate target for a closed question which is also linked in the message. So, the main problem with including a link to the duplicate-target which you're wanting a question closed to is when the question isn't actually closed as a duplicate of that question, which is actually something that's moderately common.
 
7:31 AM
Can a RO bin this request please?
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (upon request)
 
@jps it helps if you leave a comment even if you can't vote to close; some tools such as Queen will pick it up if it is formatted roughly like the standard duplicate nomination (with provisions for earlier articulations like "possible duplicate of XXX" etc)
 
jps
@tripleee ok, thanks, try to remember that next time.
 
It also may save time for future viewers of the question who have close-vote privileges.
This is also a valid technique to use when you think something might be a duplicate, but aren't sure enough to hammer it.
 
7:51 AM
How to close when a question starts as unclear, then becomes impossible? stackoverflow.com/q/71747503/2943403
 
I assume you already ruled out an answer which explains why it is impossible (and, ideally, suggests something else that is possible and more reasonable)?
 
@CodyGray I am sure there have been other questions that ask the impossible. I didn't hunt for that kind of duplicate (but the OP didn't actually edit the new requirements into the question body either). I generally feel that these misguided questions are going to be low-value for researchers. Perhaps I am being too harsh.
 
I am not sure your conclusion follows from the premises. In fact, if anything, it is almost contradicted by your first sentence, that there have been many other questions that ask the impossible. Plenty of programmers will want to do the impossible. Thus, an answer explaining it's actually impossible and setting them on a better path seems like something that would definitely be helpful to future researchers.
How helpful? I don't know, but we're really not meant to judge that. SO is, after all, meant to cover the long tail of programming questions, not just the top hits.
If it's a dupe, obviously close it as such. That saves everyone time. But don't just close it as a dupe of some other random question that happens to be asking something impossible; that isn't helpful.
 
There was ample supply of duplicates pointing to duplicates for "can I have duplicate keys in an array".
 
8:15 AM
 
8:28 AM
@desertnaut eskerrikasko! Mind if I copy that canned message?
 
That comment (or at least ones similar to it) gets flagged as "unfriendly" pretty regularly :-)
 
@Adriaan be my guest by all means!
@CodyGray which one? mine?
 
Yeah. Not advocating you change it, just... fun facts.
 
@CodyGray I heard a little bird tell me the mods want more flags
 
Not stupid ones.
 
8:30 AM
@CodyGray at least I hope you reject the flags :/
 
In some fairness, askers will seemingly flag almost anything under their questions as unfriendly...
 
That doesn't seem fair at all.
 
@desertnaut Of your most recent 250 comments, 2 were flagged as Unfriendly, and both flags were declined.
 
9:09 AM
 
9:34 AM
@RyanM OK, the statistics doesn't sound bad :)
thanks
 
You need to up your game!
 
Is there a badge available?
 
A badge for badgering?
 
"Unfriendly Commentator"?
 
Parrhesia
 
9:36 AM
Dunno what the Bronze, Silver and Gold version would be called, though.
 
@AdrianMole Agitator, Belligerent, Aggressor
 
Oh, so close to an alliteration!
 
I have a hard time figuring out what the asker needs here: stackoverflow.com/questions/71578379/…. They clearly attempted something, they had some discussions in the chat, however the content of the question remained in it's original (unclear IMO) form
 
what about stackoverflow.com/questions/71749494/… -- paraphrase "why will my Volkswagon not fly?"
 
9:50 AM
I'd be inclined to VTC as unclear, but maybe someone else can salvage it
 
@tripleee Because you haven't added wings.
 
right, should we add that as an answer, or vote to close, or just downvote and move on?
 
I posit there must be an email client that can understand LaTeX. After all, isn't the old joke that everything eventually evolves a feature to read mail?
 
that's why I wrote "popular" in my comment
 
Well, that doesn't seem to be the actual answer. They don't say that the issue is with client-side rendering, but with a failure to actually insert the formulae.
 
9:52 AM
so, unclear then?
 
Yeah, I'd go with no MCVE, actually
They don't tell you what's actually failing, and they don't indicate what would be the desired result.
Unclear would work, but is less specific
 
thanks, all sorted now (-:
or general computing
 
10:12 AM
I've been seeing a number of Questions with links to code i.e. Stackblitz
Can someone advise me if links to code are somewhat frowned upon?

I remember seeing something about links eventually going dead, so actual code is always preffered.
preferred*
 
@DaneBrouwer yes, absolutely; there is probably a canned comment you can use. The basic requirement is that questions should be self-contained; we frequently vote to close as "lacks MCVE" (a subheading under "needs debugging details" when there is either too little code in the question itself, or way too much (i.e. the code is not minimal, and is distracting or even impossible to debug)
 
@DaneBrouwer links aren't harmful, but questions that do not present the whole mcve statically in the question body should closed as unclear/incomplete. Volunteers should never need to link chase to understand the problem.
 
see also meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/376951/… though probably not the canonical duplicate for this
 
Alright, thanks eveyone - appreciate the response. :)
 
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/254428/… is specific to web sites but keeps coming up in my searches
 
10:20 AM
@DaneBrouwer Yes, this is frowned upon. All code must appear in the body of the question itself; otherwise, the question should be closed as lacking debugging details (no MCVE). Note that you should not attempt to salvage the question by copy-pasting in the code from the linked Stackblitz, etc., because that can actually result in a license violation.
 
 
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11:57 AM
Can any Python expert tell me if this answer has any value on its own compared to other existing answers? stackoverflow.com/a/68233663
 
@Dharman No, was suggested 7 years ago already
Loads of upvotes for a duplicated answer though and immune to the reversal... Perhaps I should try my hand at duplicate-answering some Java/C++ for the rep ;v
 
You have to be quick in C++, with cigien and I around! :-P
 
I mean, find an old question with several hundred votes and duplicate an answer there, copy that with some semi-related tidbits from the docs and BOOM
@Dharman this isn't adding value either (same question), this neither. That's it from what I can find. Those just repeat "use deactivate", other answers have more substance
 
but this one says you can put env name after deactivate stackoverflow.com/a/68489809
 
12:06 PM
@Dharman as does stackoverflow.com/a/69063109/5211833 which has more votes, despite being 5 weeks younger
 
Then I shouldn't delete the older answer
 
@Dharman in that case the younger one can go, despite having more votes, as it doesn't add any info over the other one ("Worked like a charm" vs an example)
 
12:28 PM
Was this mod formerly known as meagar? What happened?
 
yes the username was meagar
 
@AdrianMole They change their name from time to time. I assume it's when they are less active, but that's just my guess
 
@blackgreen It was a rhetorical question, really.
 
I was surprised to find an answer deleted by user<random int> too.
 
@Dharman So, if we see Jon Skeet ♦ making snarky remarks in here, we'll know who to blame. :-)
 
12:36 PM
wouldn't an expert rhetor have started the rhetorical question with a negation?
 
1:04 PM
@AdrianMole We don't talk about Bruno meagar user229044
 
Who?
 
Exactly
 
@AdrianMole Some doctor or something.
 
I also put some more items in the queue a little while ago - they should hit the queue shortly.
 
1:19 PM
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine We do tend to allow shell questions. I don't see anything explicitly general computing
Thanks for picking the burnination up, btw. It seems to have stalled out
 
@Machavity Not sure I agree in this instance - that particular question doesn't have anything that appears to be programming-related in it.
Seems like it really should be on the Unix/Linux SE site instead, since it doesn't appear to require any specific programming knowledge to solve (just knowledge of Cygwin, which isn't used extensively by programmers).
 
I'll detag it for the burn and leave it to others on closure
 
Can a RO retract this please?
 
@Machavity Makes sense. I could be wrong too, I admittedly don't use Cygwin much.
 
1:48 PM
@Juraj In the new question, OP added some details, and the older one already had 2 CVs, so I just closed the older one.
If the question is otherwise fine, can the request be binned?
 
I am doing a contest for "the most upvotes received from a sockpuppet". Please file your submissions using mod flag.
 
@Dharman you serious about that flag? I can dig up an old (~5 years or so) case with >20k rep reversed
 
It cannot be reversed/invalidated
The winner wins free week in a nice luxurious penalty box
 
@Dharman like so?
 
Funny-looking sock puppet.
 
2:01 PM
You have to keep your eyes peeled for socks. You never know when they will pop up
 
Sock-rolling?
 
I keep losing mine and randomly finding them after I do laundry.
 
I always put an even number into the washer but only ever find an odd number to take out.
 
@AdrianMole your socks multiply during laundry?
 
2:06 PM
@Adriaan I think sock-based cannibalism is more likely.
 
@Adriaan Maybe? I keep getting an odd number of socks after washing but I've not ran out of socks. I think what happens is that it's a coin toss and you either lose a sock which goes in the Great Sock Space or you gain one from the Great Sock Space.
As far as I can tell, the Great Sock Space is individualised. I have not gotten somebody else's sock. Yet.
 
2:46 PM
@Dharman You may want to clear some comments on the top answer
 
@Braiam Please flag them
 
Several "You may only flag a comment every 5 seconds." later
 
3:19 PM
@Braiam that's the worst
 
For this answer, is it still spam/undisclosed affiliation if the URL is not rendered as a link in the markup?
 
@GeneralGrievance I don't see how that answer is different from 4 other answers
 
@Braiam Right. I just want to know if it is also spam.
 
@GeneralGrievance BTW, if that is the cutoff, there are not many answers that disclose affiliation.
 
3:25 PM
Ok, I guess that's a no, then?
 
Yep. Spam should promote something
 
Gotcha.
 
Or fail to disclose affiliation
 
@GeneralGrievance But, in general, General, a 'real' spam link need not be presented as an active link. Pasting a spam link as code, or in other ways that prevent the markdown from displaying it as a clickable link, does not make it not spam.
 
3:48 PM
Is this on-topic: How to auto scale web apps vertically? Don't think it maches SF or SU, maybe webmasters?
Also in doubt about Is there a way to fetch tags in bitbucket with filtering on created_at date?. The question would be on-topic if the OP would've also specified a programming language, but they didn't.
 
What should I flag this triage review as; it seems to be about their web server getting hacked. It's not really a programming question, it's barely a server question, it's not really a general hardware/software question, it's not really asking for debugging help, it's not really asking anything in the question body. Thus I don't know which flag would be most appropriate.
 
seems a good candidate for ServerFault, the OP got their server hacked
though in it's current form the question might get closed there too
 
@vandench Flag > Needs Improvement > Community Specific Reason > Blatantly off-topic
Or maybe your flag window says "Blatently Off-topic"... I need to make a sock look over the shoulder at my wife's account.
 
4:04 PM
Good to know; I wasn't sure about that one as it felt like it was ambiguous enough to not be blatant.
 
@cigien ok. I copy my comment (asking for additional info) from the closed question to the new question
 
"I need to secure these files against malware" is blatantly not about programming in my opinion.
 
Fair enough, I just also saw the possibility that it could be flagged as a server problem, even if it's probably not a good question on SF either.
 
My thought on this matter is if it's a terrible question, close it and don't point the user at another unsuspecting Stack Exchange community. You just make more work for other now more frustrated users. This happens all the time in the R tag when people try to send terrible "statistics" questions to Cross Validated. Just don't do it.
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4:30 PM
@IanCampbell Hear hear
 
That neurotic moment when you see the last message just posted is "N messages moved to graveyard" and you still click "scan" anyway
Like opening the refrigerator to look for food after you just looked 5 mins ago :-P
 
Haha
 
5:14 PM
Should I always roll back self-vandalism if I find it? stackoverflow.com/a/31505437/4294399
 
@GeneralGrievance How is the previous version proprietary information?
 
yes, self-vandalism is not allowed
the OP can simply delete the answer, anyway, editing won't make the information disappear either, just will make it less obvious to find, similar as a deleted post does
or, the OP can contact the SO staff, asking them to remove all traces of the post, but that's a longer road, and might need some evidences to support the statement
 
@GeneralGrievance Yes, please always roll that sort of thing back, and flag for moderator attention if the user persists (I don't think that's likely here).
 
I think we can also shoot one of those canned comments about self-vandalizing
 
Yeah, I'm trying to find where that is, and I can't use userscripts on this computer.
 
5:19 PM
The shooting will continue until self-vandalisation improves
 
In this particular case, let's not. It's 7 years old and the poster has already restored a bunch of these a while back. It looks like they just missed one.
But normally, go for it.
 
Ah. Thanks for checking that.
 
ok, deleted the comment :)
next level user stalking - checking the edit history :)
 
5:43 PM
@CodyGray It is currently running in dev-mode because Redunda (our tool to manage multiple instances of the same bot) broke and dev mode was the easiest solution to allow at least one instance to run. :-D But the rooms are hardcoded (not my best decision) and dev-mode will always send the bot to the workshop.
 
6:00 PM
can this answer be of any help to someone else besides the OP? It's just a big chunk of code, with no explanations...
am I overly zealous if I cast a delete vote? :)
 
meh
 
or maybe we should nuke the question instead, doesn't seem to provide more value to future readers than other better questions already had
I mean, the accepted answer says "use json_decode"
 
There's better questions that cover that. I just nuked it
 
@Cristik It was plagiarized anyway.
 
how do i decode json? should i use this method called json_decode?
or encode?
something else?
maybe jquery can do it
 
6:05 PM
JSON is JavaScript, so you should use Java to encode it before you process it with C++
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right, use the proper tool
 
Yes, use Java. The J in JSON is short for Java after all.
 
well... isn't Javascript, Java afterall?
Java...Script
@KevinB this is one of the reasons I liked PHP, some things were so easy and intuitive to achieve...
on the other hand, I hated all array_xxx functions, I couldn't remember which method needs the array as the first argument, and which as the second argument... they really dropped the ball here
 
In all seriousness, that question was more than covered by this question
 
oh hey, JSON
Dealing with a vendor right now who doesn't seem to understand that C# can parse/consume JSON
 
6:13 PM
wasn't C# designed around WSDL, though? I remember VisualStudio having cool features for generating consumers of SOAP webservices
 
"There was a large JSON spill several years ago and now JSON can be found in some version of all programming languages. Attempts to remove it have resulted in a recurrence of XML, which was long thought eradicated"
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@Cristik I don't know about this. C# and WSDL were both Microsoft things (at least in part) so it would make sense for Visual Studio to have good support for them
@Machavity heh
TBH I prefer the orderly markup of XML to that of JSON
 
Sounds like MS. "XML will be the web language of the future! Here's this new browser function XMLHTTPRequest for summoning XML... hey, wait, what are you doing with our new function? That's for XML! Stop, in the name of WSDL!"
 
who wouldn't mind receiving an enveloped Int, like <Int>123abc</Int> knowing that it's 100% an int there, so we can bypass all failsafe mechanisms of int parsing, for better performance
 
@Cristik That doesn't seem like an accurate description of what XML is
XML is for static data, it is not part of run-time code that compilers or interpreters rely on
 
6:21 PM
oh... you meant XML for configuration stuff, not for data transport
 
someone relying on an XML tag to determine type safety of the contents of said tag sounds like a nightmare along the lines of "your scientists were so busy wondering if they could that they never stopped to consider if they should"
like using a fishtank as the chassis for a desktop computer and cooling everything with vegetable oil. You could do that, but... why
 
6:42 PM
Hey, a correct use of the css classes here stackoverflow.design/product/components/activity-indicator
 
 
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8:00 PM
I would like an opinion on this Q&A. Even if you aren't familiar with the technology: do you think any of the existing answers actually answer the question?
(just to be clear, I'm not asking to act on it, close, etc.)
 
@blackgreen Hmm. The accepted/top answer does seem to hint at an actual answer.
 
a veeeeeery thin hint
I'm also quite baffled that it got a whopping 13 votes when it provides no insight at all
it's like someone was baking a pizza and all you can get is the scent
 
8:33 PM
@Braiam Thanks, reported via feedback a couple issues with the new design
 
8:58 PM
Just deleted an NAA with seven NAA flags on it, I think that's a new personal record...
 
wow
 
@Makyen Is this correct that it will roomba? stackoverflow.com/questions/38637229/…
 
@Dharman Yes. "has a score of 0 or less, or a score of 1 and a deleted owner" (emphasis added)
 
Ohh, ok
 
I had entirely forgotten that rule existed, TBH.
 
9:08 PM
I think i forgot about that part
 
Ok Ok, break it up, that's enough moderator back and forth for one day!
 
retreats to top-secret moderator lair a nice sunny area of no particular import
 
9:30 PM
Since when did SOCVR because a jewelry store? There are diamonds everywhere ;)
 
10:15 PM
@NathanOliver SOCVR is clearly a path to the jewelry store.
 
The road to 2k will be very slow and painful
 
@Dharman what is that a reference to?
 
11:20 PM
I posted an answer, got a bunch of upvotes, then it was pointed out that it may not be correct because the question lacks full details (which I assumed). Should I delete my answer and vote to close the Q - awaiting clarification from the OP? Or just leave it (for the hard-earned rep)? (It probably is correct - at least in principle. And it is, of course, pure dead brilliant.)
 
11:42 PM
@dippas Not sure that's really suitable for SuperUser. (Or any SE site?)
 
@Dharman there is an open burnination request for it if you wanted to reignite it.
 
11:54 PM
@AdrianMole Maybe WebApps but definitely not Super User. They don't do websites. cc @dippas @Vickel
 
@RyanM you are right, @HenryEcker comment is the correct one
^ I've just updated my "canned comments list"
 

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