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12:15 AM
 
@AdrianMole I think yes, by far!
 
12:33 AM
What is the correct action when a question is in English except for Polish variable names in the code, then it gets answered in Polish which the OP accepts and comments on in Polish? How to make a simple JavaScript redirection based on submitted form value?
 
@StephenOstermiller Flag the answer as VLQ, possibly leaving a comment that it should be in English.
... the good thing about the VLQ flag (as opposed to NAA) is that, if it is then edited, your flag will be marked "helpful".
... or, if you have a Diamond after your name, the flag will be marked "helpful" anyway. :)
 
I did not, in fact, bother flagging it first :-)
 
OK. Looks like a canned comment from the AF scipt.
 
Ah, yeah, it is. I uncheck the Flag option :-p
 
I seem to have scipt skipped an "r" in script.
skripped
 
12:52 AM
great, now this room is full of skripp kiddies
 
1:51 AM
@Vega Why is that a bad edit?
 
2:06 AM
@Machavity failure to remove thanks, inline code formatting where real code formatting was more appropriate, other inappropriate code formatting, several instances of missed grammar corrections, to name a few issues
 
2:21 AM
@Machavity They used code formatting for the text and did not correct the syntaxe and orthographe
@NickstandswithUkraine Ah, you said it all :)
Thank you
 
 
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3:27 AM
I've come across a completely whack answer from 2009; like it's answering a different question. Should we do something about it?
 
3:40 AM
@Joshua Mod flag? NAA? del-pls? You have options depending on exact context.
 
Can't NAA it because the guy's trying to answer a question. One more downvote and it can have a del-pls: stackoverflow.com/a/1211134/14768
 
@Joshua That's actually already eligible. Answers can be deleted at score <= -1 so delete votes can be cast on that and del-pls are fine for "answers which have a score less than or equal to 0" (FAQ #11)
 
@Joshua Vote to close the off-topic question and then del-pls it? ;)
 
@Vega: I believe the question to be on topic and found it due to needing to look up the programming details of various FAT32 filesystems. Knowing that whack format is out there is good info for programmers and nobody else.
 
3:55 AM
All programmers use hardware and anything about hardware could be useful. there is nothing about development tool or programing all in that question
 
I agree useful to programmers doesn't make that question about programming or development.
 
 
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@Vega do you propose rejection then? I guess it doesn't matter much if this gets approved or rejected if it's going away anyway (though rejection would reduce noise)
^ user has several other recent posts which were reported by SD; should I explicitly report them here as well?
 
@tripleee I would ask to reject. The tag is not in burnination, sorry if I was ambigious. In my opinion the edit destroys the tag. The description should be kept for the sake of existing questions
 
thanks, done
 
@SmokeDetector all three of their answers are exactly the same; some text with a (relevant) image. Are the three Qs duplicates?
 
5:39 AM
they also have a deleted post which links to a different resource on the same site metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/357757
I left a comment at the time, before it became apparent that they were on a spree
they seem to have edited that too to point to the same image, though
 
Now I'm confused. Is it still spam, or just pointing us to duplicate posts?
 
good question, I assumed spam but the image links look more like it's just misdirected answering of duplicates
 
6:08 AM
@Vega I'm very confused by what's going on there. One can't use that tag, because they're already synonyms. Why does the system even allow someone to suggest edits to that when no one can see it? And from the synonyms page, it looks like they've been synonyms since 2015, making the meta post proposing that synonym in 2017 very confusing...
Oh, I stand corrected on part of that...you can, in fact, see it when picking question tags. Which is extremely misleading, because picking will auto-rename it to .
Which suggests that actually that tag wiki edit would be useful, I think....because picking that over has no effect whatsoever.
It is possible the correct solution here is for a moderator to merge the tags to eliminate the superfluous tag, but I'm not sufficiently familiar with the tag system to be sure that's correct, and it's irreversible.
Enlightenment very welcome, as the intricacies of the tagging system are not my specialty.
 
@RyanM Bad of me, I did not do that much investigation. It is very confusing. I did find out that both tags' description is a copied content though
 
@Vega yeah the [laravel-blade] one is also awful as an excerpt in addition to being copied... Is the old [blade] one also copied? I didn't find the original of that from a quick search.
(above message deleted to avoid discussing user behavior here)
 
6:25 AM
They appear to be non-spam duplicate answers; 1 line with the solution + a screenshot of the program to show which button to press.
 
My impression was that, yeah. I deleted them as duplicates, but not spam.
@RyanM I replaced it with a variation of part of the [blade] excerpt.
I also approved the tag wiki edit to the old [blade] tag.
Please feel free to yell at me if anyone can see any reason I missed why any of that was a bad idea.
Probably the tags should be merged but that's a little out of my comfort zone as a new mod.
 
@RyanM it suggests the Qs themselves might be duplicates, but as I have no knowledge about C#, except how to play it on my Oboe, I can't say anything to that
 
@Adriaan Sorry, but with or without , C# is not C++.
 
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11:58 AM
Morning
 
1:39 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/517970/… has a staggering number of duplicate answers
 
@tripleee Mod flag them. Point them to the answer they duplicate. Queue is virtually empty so the chances they get handled soon is pretty good
 
@Machavity you mean you don't have enough to do?
 
I don't normally quote from the mod room, but in this case I don't think Dharman will mind
> I would like to handle some flags. Where are they?
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There's like 30 flags total ATM. That's... pretty rare
 
2:04 PM
I think Ryan M needs to slow down
 
The new mods know that we were joking about suspending users who raise flags, right?
 
@StephenOstermiller You are telling me this only now? I have already sent out like 50 suspensions
 
We found the number of flags went down when we suspended folks first and asked questions later. Who knew?
 
Your recent flag was declined because our wonderful new Moderator UI makes it easier to suspend you than to approve your flags.
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2:22 PM
"SO is full of bigots and tyrants", as someone was complaining in a recent meta post :)
or was it a comment that I flagged? :)
 
Is it still flaggable, even if it's true? ;(
 
the bigot in me says yes
 
The tyrant in me disagrees.
 
2:42 PM
how do you guys handle questions from the reopen queue that were edited with minor changes that don't warrant a reopen vote? Do you skip it, or do you vote to keep it closed? I usually skip the questions, since I'd rather wait for a more substantial edit, but on the other hand this doesn't help with the queue size...
 
@Cristik Leave closed. If the question was put into the queue asking to be reopened before it is ready, then it should stay closed until it's actually ready to be reopened.
 
@HenryEcker I think edits automatically add the question to the queue
and most of the time those trivial edits are not even made by OP...
 
No you have to check the box confirming the edit resolves the issues and should be added to reopen queue. Unless the post owner gets a different dialog from everyone else.
 
ah, OK, didn't know that, not sure why I was under the impression that edited questions are automatically submitted to the reopen queue
yeah, in this case the correct choice is "leave closed", thanks
"correct" - I meant "appropriate", "correct" seems such an absolute term :)
 
@Cristik That used to be the case until recently(ish).
 
3:01 PM
@AdrianMole Yes. Recently(ish) it looks like Jul 7, 2021 was when the substantial edit confirmation was added.
 
4:01 PM
Can I have a sanity check on this question? Seems off topic/too broad to me, but maybe someone else thinks differently? Also there's an NAA attached to it.
 
@code11 looks like a customer support question, and we generally close those.
 
@NathanOliver makes sense. Thanks.
 
agreed
 
sane moderator is credit to asylum
 
@code11 We have a canned close reason for it. You'll need to use a branch of AutoReviewComments to use it (I have a branch if you want one)
 
4:08 PM
I found the canonical meta for customer service questions, but it doesn't say which close type to use. I know it doesn't really matter, but would Blatantly Off Topic be the best one to use?
@Machavity Thanks for the link. I'm getting back into the swing of things. I lost all my userscripts with my last work computer.
 
@RyanM If the synonym causes that questions are incorrectly tagged, then the synonym shouldn't exist.
 
@code11 There isn't a blatantly off-topic close reason any more.
 
Ah, sorry. Flag reason.
 
Is there such a flag reason?
 
I see it under Flagging > Community Specific > Blatantly Off - Topic.
 
4:18 PM
Interesting. Here is what I see there. However, on a site I don't have CV privilege, I do indeed see a Blatantly Off-Topic
 
I guess that reason gets replaced by the option to write your own reason when you get enough rep.
 
I guess it replaces the custom close reason. But without allowing you to write anything for it.
 
Weird...
 
@code11 I had wondered where that reason went. Normally a site with any community reasons won't show it, but I do see them from time to time
 
I need to lose some rep to regain that reason.
 
4:22 PM
Heh... when you load a Stack Overflow page at the exact time they're updating their SVG file i.stack.imgur.com/LrDQm.png
 
Ain't those files versioned to prevent that?
 
lol
 
@Braiam No idea
guess not though
funnily it cached the broken version so when I refreshed it stayed broken for that page only
so I had to ctrl+F5 to fix it
 
Most likely the cache that was serving you the file hadn't been updated yet. I've noticed that sometimes SE push some change but in some areas it takes a bit longer to update. At least once they also had to manually nuke that cache to force it to re-initialise.
 
I have no idea how SE deploys stuff then.
 
4:39 PM
Sometimes it feels they don't, either.
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7:03 PM
 
8:19 PM
@GeneralGrievance That looks like a reasonably scoped "how to" question. I can change the wording to not ask for "preferences". Are there any other issues with the question?
 
@cigien Edit looks good. Thank you.
 
@GeneralGrievance Sure, but pinging a RO is helpful for that
 
Thanks. I'm never sure which one(s), though. Any advice?
Or just pick one?
 
I just pick the RO who posted a message here last, since they're the most likely to be around.
 
8:29 PM
Don't overthink it. Even if the RO is AFK or leaves, they're likely to be back at some point. Otherwise, once it rolls off the front page... we can't help you
 
Yeah, no ping means you're at the mercy of us checking the transcript
which means Makyen will get to it in 6-8 somethings
 
That makes sense. Thanks.
 
8:46 PM
some day Smokey will stop reporting docs.microsoft.com in posts, but not today
 
@TylerH I've been looking through the metasmoke entries for docs.microsoft.com. What's with all the true positives linking to the docs for the static keyword?
 
9:01 PM
@GeneralGrievance Could you give a couple examples? Also note that you might get more eyes familiar with Charcoal's feedback over in Charcoal HQ - it's a very friendly bunch who are always happy to explain things to people interested in the project :-)
 
^ definitely recommend asking technical questions about Charcoal projects in the Charcoal room; some folks here do know, but that one's much better suited for getting a good (and quick) answer
(for example, I have no idea what the answer is for your question)
 
Oh, sure.
 
@StephenOstermiller It turns out there's an even more effective punishment for such offenders: getting elected as moderators.
 
@RyanM But I guess I will respond here since you asked. I see this one, this one, and this one on the front page.
 
@GeneralGrievance Yeah, I wondered if that might be the ones you were referring to...we have a troll in that particular tag who repeatedly asks the same questions over and over again, often about minutiae in the spec. They're banned, but astonishingly persistent in evading the ban to keep posting that sort of thing.
 
9:12 PM
That's... really weird.
 
It is. They're one of the stranger trolls I've seen.
Also, shameless plug: if you find getting rid of spammers and trolls interesting, Charcoal is always looking for more participants, and you'll see a lot of familiar faces profile pictures from SOCVR.
We're friendly: we only bite spammers and trolls.
 
9:32 PM
Faces come out of the rain, when you're strange.
 
any hints why this is considered an invalid request? I also submitted a request 5 mins ago, I deleted it as it said invalid too, and I'm not sure why
the invalid reason for the above one said because I already posted a request (that I deleted), but the first request was also marked as invalid...
I'll happily retract, just wanted to find out the reason :)
 
@Cristik it's because you linked to another post, unclosed
We've talked about it many times; I'm not sure anymore if the issue will appear regardless of the order or only if you post an invalid question link first
but basically the script is looking at the one from 7 years ago and using that to determine its eligibility
 
hmm... interesting, as the first request didn't had the first link, I added it after the message was posted
but on the other hand, I don't remember if the invalid request tag was there before I edited in the other question link
 
I can't speak to how the script handled your first request since I didn't see it in time
 
yeah... me neither :P
 
9:48 PM
Need a hand from the room (asking as a mod). This user has several plagiarized posts and we suspect more might be plagiarized. If you have a min, check the posts and mod flag if they are. Thanks
 
If you disable the "undisclosed review script" it will just say del-pls. The invalid request text is added when the data is pulled and is not present in the actual comment markdown.
 
@HenryEcker The issue is Cristik's first request was valid, yet they recalled seeing 'invalid request'... but it seems maybe they only saw it after editing in the link to the un-closed question... hard to say for sure what happened at this point
 
yeah, that's exactly what happened
 
since reviewing the history just shows the markup that Cristik actually used ([tag:del-pls])
 
@Machavity Isn't there a bot that hangs out in SOBotics that allows mods to check such stuff? Gutenburg or some such? I think Martijn used to use it quite a bit (plagiarism is his thing, I think).
 
9:51 PM
@Machavity most recent posts from that user seem ok, do you have a timestamp of one of the plagiarized reports to look on posts around that date?
 
@AdrianMole Guttenberg hasn't been active in a bit.
 
Also, Guttenberg is a lot less effective than humans.
 
@AdrianMole I've not fiddled with it, sadly (and am short on time now)
 
@HenryEcker Pity.
 
@Cristik This 10k post if you need one
 
9:52 PM
I can host Guttenberg if need be. Who maintains it now? Maybe I should check into that.
 
@CodyGray I notice that you didn't say, "less effective than Martijn!" :)
 
Guttenberg meaning "Good ...something" in german? :)
 
Sssh, we're still pretending he's a human
 
Oops.
 
Refers to Johannes, I think. I don't know why his last name was misspelled.
 
9:53 PM
I didn't want to copy the name, so I modified it.
 
Err... you wrote it?
 
@Machavity Found one. Also found another that recommends 777 settings, even worse
 
Pedantry is the lowest form of sarcasm.
 
@NathanOliver Is it or is it not a duplicate? stackoverflow.com/q/71739197 :D
 
(I have no idea how the bot's name is spelt.)
 
9:57 PM
@Dharman It's not a duplicate of that. It is probably a dupe of something else. Will find...
 
what should we do with the posts that recommend the same thing over and over "php artisan config:clear, php artisan cache:clear, php artisan config:cache"?
I've seen this kind of posts literally dozens of time while reviewing
 
@AdrianMole "Guttenberg"
 
if they are correct, they clearly they indicate the question is a duplicate, however the questions are so specific to asker needs...
 
@Cristik Same here. If they're (nearly) exact dupes, they can be flagged; if not ... "downvote and move on?"
 
@Cristik Dozens of times on the same question? Flag for removal. Dozens of times on different questions? No specific action. Maybe check if the questions are duplicates.
 
9:58 PM
I made sure to throw in a dozen comment flags while I was at it
because I love the mods so
 
@CodyGray not same question
 
A lot of times, these are like "try restarting your computer" answers. Which usually don't work. Worse, sometimes they do work.
 
... and leave a comment, linking to one/few/all of the "duplicate" answers, so others can express their discomfiture?
 
When one sees an issue with noisy, low-quality answers, his solution is to leave a noisy comment. What's wrong with this picture?
 
@CodyGray actually, this happens a lot of times for me, on my work laptop, the VPN stops working because OS updates are required, updates which happen upon restart :)
 
10:01 PM
@CodyGray Meh. If a poster frequently repeats an answer, a comment pointing that out is not (IMHO) "noise". It's a contribution to sire curation.
 
Why would a VPN stop working because OS updates are required? That seems very weird.
 
sire -> site
 
Yes, you can leave a comment asking them not to post duplicate answers, but I don't see the advantage in linking them all?
 
OK - I'll accept the compromise.
 
oof a lot of unnecessary comments on that page
time to call it for the day
 
10:04 PM
@AdrianMole Sorry, I guess I was confused as to your point.
 
NP. Confusion is the ideal state for SO users.
{expecting a Confucius quote}
 
is this question of any help for someone else? The OP misunderstood how recursion work
 
@Cristik Must be a duplicate: "How does recursion work?" Too tired to find one, though.
 
Click here to find out how recursion works
 
Hehe - I didn't even click the link.
 
10:14 PM
As usual, it is a duplicate, and it should have been addressed that way, instead of answering it or closing it for another loosely-justified reason (like "needs focus").
There are several more that could have been found.
 
@CodyGray That's cap, here's how recursion works
 
@VLAZ There is, but only for users without close-vote privileges. For users with close-vote privileges, it turns into the custom off-topic reason, where you can type a message.
 
should we keep this question anymore? It's closed, and all its answers are deleted...
 
It should roomba with all answers deleted, right?
 
not at at score of 12 :)
 
10:22 PM
Ah, I see. Hmm.... since people find it useful, maybe it should be edited and salvaged? That is, turning it from a resource request into a how-to question.
 
hmm... that sounds kinky, let me try to throw something at it :)
even if I was the ones casting a close vote :p
 
I assumed that was the kinky part
 
@Cristik There's already this stackoverflow.com/q/55482386/792066
Target is react native
 
still javascript, I assume the same solution should work
react-native brings little to the table when it comes to actual javascript
 
I mean, there were no possible wrong answers to the question asked, as long as it consumed swagger data and spewed js
 
10:27 PM
maybe we can mark the vue.js question a duplicate of the react-native one, once I polish it a little bit
 
This other question already knows how to convert swagger to js.
So, technically not the same questions asked. People loves to upvote "Convert X into Y, and I have no idea what that entails" questions
 
yeah... the OP asked here for a pure JS solution
 
@CodyGray it's a reference to Guttenberg plagiarism scandal
 
seems they don't like bash/sh/csh/zsh/etc :)
 
@BhargavRao Oohhh!
 
10:37 PM
@BhargavRao But can the bot be resuscitated?
... IIRC, there were some "mod only" aspects to it, that were seemingly useful.
 
@AdrianMole There was a mod-only "checkuser" command.
 
Dats de wan.
^ {olde low Tutonic}
 

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