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@desertnaut I already cast my close vote on that last one before you removed it. Is there something redeeming?
@IanCampbell no, I just realized that I had already posted it above :-0 chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/54134112#54134112
Ah, nice catch! I was really scratching my head trying to figure out why you'd not want to close it.
 
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04:17
Just got to 1,111 helpful spam flags.
 
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05:57
@RyanM The OP translated - do you still think that it should be closed?
@RyanM Based on the discussion on the question and answer, it might be no repro, but I'm not sure.
hi all, hope this is the right place to ask this, I would need help with this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/71375653/…. I voted to close as unclear, but later found a nearly identical question, which has good answers, but I can no longer vote for duplicate. The duplicate candidate is stackoverflow.com/questions/52464551/….
06:15
@Cristik we don't usually reopen just to be able to rceclose immediately. You can leave a comment to point out the duplicate
oh you simply mean to post a cv-pls?
@RyanM translated now
@tripleee thanks for the reply, question is not yet closed, and I added a comment once I identified the duplicate candidate
@tripleee is the "cv-pls" the way to ask for close votes here? sorry, I'm not (yet) familiar with the etiquette here
07:14
@Cristik yup, see the room guidance via the FAQ link in the upper right corner on the desktop version of chat (mobile seems to be vaguely hosed at the moment, or is it just me?)
and sorry for the high latency, was at the dentist's (-:
@Cristik ^ did it on your behalf
07:45
enough previous spam for two of the domains to blacklist them now
08:54
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (question was translated)
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine thanks, binned the request (also thanks @tripleee). bit hard to tell with the phrasing but it does in fact look no-repro
09:28
@tripleee thanks for all the help, really no problem about the latency. hope the dentist was gentle with you :)
@Cristik all good, thanks; very friendly dentist indeed
@StephenOstermiller why are you closing questions with No MCVE using custom reasons? I thought it was accepted standard (at least within the room) to close with a standard reason if applicable. Of course your comments do add extra value, but why not leave them as a comment, rather than close reason?
I hate the standard reasons because they are so non-specific an not helpful. Is there something in the FAQ that I missed about having to use them?
@StephenOstermiller using a standard reason helps us gauge whether we agree; if you want to add more details after the standard close reason for additional context, that's obviously fine
09:37
For MCVE, there are three standard close reasons that could apply: I needs focus (MCVE to make it less broad), needs details (MCVE adds details), needs debugging details (MCVE adds those too.)
I have trouble figuring out which standard close reason to use.
it's not unusual for a post to fulfill several reasons; just pick one, or provide multiple
like "details or clarity; general computing?" or "resource recommendation; needs focus"
"No MCVE, needs focus; needs details; needs debugging details"?
That seems unnecessarily verbose.
I wouldn't object, though usually two or three is already plenty and I don't think there is a requirement to be exhaustive
 
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11:43
Is this POB? The code works, but it asks for "bad practise" and "a better way"
12:04
Hey guys, is there any way for me to find out if a tag was a synonym of another tag? I'm talking about the tag, I thought it was a synonym of , but I may be wrong
12:20
@Lino stackoverflow.com/tags/jvm/synonyms every tag has a synonym page. Click on the tag and underneath the wiki excerpt are the buttons " Learn moreā€¦ Improve tag info Top users Synonyms jvm jobs"
@Adriaan that I know, but do I have any way of seeing the history? E.g. can I find out which synonyms had in the last 12 years?
@Lino that I don't know. Can't quickly find a button for that, so you might have to resort to SEDE
@Adriaan That's what I was afraid of ;)
13:26
stackoverflow.com/q/71410043/4826457 this a side effect of the new ask question changes?
13:36
Any advice on how to further handle this question: What is a "shaded" Java dependency?. It's a literal copy+paste of this question on SE.SE but without any attribution
I'm not sure if this counts as crossposting because its not the same OP, or if its against the TOS because its plagiarization without any attribution...
It's definitely not crossposting
closed for plagiarism + will roomba = probably enough
if you still want to escalate it, maybe flag for mod attention
I'll save you a flag and just delete it. It's murkier on plagiarized questions, but the OP admits their goals weren't to ask a good question, but to "bookmark" it
No use in keeping that around at the very least
@Machavity cool, have flagged it anyway
@Tomerikoo you rock :)
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@desertnaut Sorry, was talking to tripleee and Lino, but I handled yours too (that isn't murky at all)
@Machavity :-0
@tripleee I've edited this such that it's no longer a request for off-site resources.
14:06
@desertnaut There's more ways to handle that beyond deletion
@Machavity sorry - yes, you're right of course (I think the question was not yet closed when I commented, but that's why I deleted the comment afterwards)
14:30
Do users troll because they're trolls, or are they trolls because they troll?
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine Is asking such question about trolls, in itself, trolling? ;)
@RyanM This looks like a question about a programming tool. I'm not sure what details/clarity are needed here. (Just pinging you since you made a request here).
14:52
@StephenOstermiller I cleaned it up and reopened it. I think the original question was poorly worded. The answers indicate it's on-topic.
@Machavity Fair enough, thx
15:10
Wow, honesty.
@GeneralGrievance sorry for the noise, we get these from time to time when somebody manages to fly under the radar for a while
Sorry? Who's flying under the radar?
I think GG's comment was about the homework and triplee's apology was about SD
Oh, yeah, I was talking about the "I need someone to solve my homework please." Sorry for the confusion.
Is it not a problem that SD is targeting a specific user here?
15:16
That's why you use the @ guys ;)
Yes, I know. Sometimes I get lazy...
@StephenOstermiller Not really. SD reports get posted here when they meet certain criteria, and sometimes that means several posts by the same user get reported here. It's true that we shouldn't discuss that user's activity in here, but the reports can be useful to get additional flags on the spam posts.
it would be rather tricky to avoid letting !!/allspam reports flow into this room when that command is used on a Stack Overflow user profile, though of course, if the room owners demand it, I suppose we would have to come up with a solution
but as I understand it, the policy to not target users is in place to protect legitimate users, and accounts which exist solely to abuse the system can thus be exempted
still, there will be a grey area because this reasoning requires us to speculate about their intent
Grey areas just need a little paint
it's easier to just make it a general rule that if you're reporting things from a user profile, you're targeting a user regardless of intent
no more grey area,
15:36
@StephenOstermiller FWIW we don't allow anyone to ask for allspam in this room. We request they be done in Charcoal proper
The same goes for discussing a user with a spam pattern
It's also important to remember that non-SOCVR members of Charcoal can do that as well
They've been rare enough we haven't had any real complaints. You could, I suppose, use it to circumvent the "don't discuss users" rule, but I don't think Charcoal would take kindly to someone abusing their bot just to get at a user
Does that mean we shouldn't blacklist for SD here either?
No. Any request targeted at a user is not allowed in here. You can do those in Charcoal
Technically a sustained spam report in here would blacklist a user, but you'd be reporting a post, which is all we ever do or allow
@Machavity This ... seems like a formality. Plus it means that the transcript no longer says who issued it.
@JohnDvorak The SOCVR transcript, yes. Charcoal would have a log in their room. If there was ever an issue, we have good relations with the folks who run it and they could tell is who did it and when
Is this trolling, or just off topic?
15:50
i'd assume it's just a confused user, they're clearly new, given the state of their existing questions and the 2 week lifetime of the acct
Hmm. There's some overlap between SO and scfi.SE - much of the code I've written over the past 20 years is considered "fantasy" by many of my colleagues. :-)
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When you "see sharp" things, it is hard to make it out of the pit. Clearly on-topic.
@EJoshuaS-StandwithUkraine Clearly trolling. He doesn't even mention which version he'd like :P
16:31
@StephenOstermiller Is there a need to flag-pls on NAA?
If not, I won't do it again
@StephenOstermiller Please see the discussion in the FAQ about such requests.
Noted. I should have remembered that from when I read through the FAQ.
 
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19:46
@cigien it was far less clear at the time I made the request (see edit history). Not opposed to reopening it in its current condition - thoughts?
@RyanM Ah, I see, I hadn't looked at the history. Yeah, it looks fine to me now.
Congrats to @IanCampbell on his new diamond on Medical Sciences!
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@Machavity Huzzah
@cigien I'm not sure "no Roomba" makes much sense for reopen-pls requests :-)
True :) Edited.
huh. so this new A/B test, now i've lost the "new" answer sorting dropdown
and also don't have trending
19:57
@KevinB I just lost it as well, back to the old buttons
@Machavity Thanks, its very interesting to see how the "sausage gets made" so to speak.
20:13
@cigien waves magic wand then it's reopened :-)
thanks for the follow-up
Is this opinion-based? What is the correct way of using C++11's range-based for? Given that there is no correct way; you just express what you want?
it's fine
"What is the correct way" can just be an alias for "What is the best way"...
For questions here, that is.
@AnnZen I'm fine with it. As the answer goes into, there are basically 3 types of loops you would want to do, observe (reference to const), modify (non-const reference), make local copy for something (value). Depending on which of those three things you want to do will determine the type of loop to use.
20:24
i could see an argument for it being too broad, given it's effectively asking what are all the ways a range based for can/should be used, but given the age of this question and its lack of spammy answers... I'd just leave it
20:40
@AnnZen I agree Kevin. I would caution against viewing "what is the correct" way as "what is the best way".
There can be an objective answer to "what is a/the correct way" while there cannot be an object answer to "what is the best way"
a correct way is simply one that works (lacking any further criteria, at least)
got it
it is a double standard, but one that i think is beneficial to the site as a whole
a new question asking that for all the ways to use something, i'd definitely reach for needs focus
I do think the OP's self-answer is probably 60-70% unnecessary content, most likely
 
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