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12:07 AM
How many of the comments under the question at stackoverflow.com/q/2588666/2943403 should be flagged as no longer needed / chatty?
 
@mickmackusa "What if the sub string occurs twice (or more)?" and "Please put some effort of code in your question" seem the least currently relevant.
Then the 3 comments of back and forth between ceejayoz and Maduro would be the next least relevant?
 
@Turing85 still missing debug information, despite the edits.
 
12:26 AM
Does Please put some effort of code in your question ever benefit researchers? I'll say No to that every time.
Yes, I wish the earlier questions posted to SO had proof of effort, but it is too late to ask for that now and downvotes are meaningless when they already have more than a hundred upvotes.
 
@mickmackusa I flagged 5.
 
@mickmackusa Beyond that 3,512 days after the post is too late.
 
@HenryEcker I super-agree.
 
sigh I was in the process of writing a comment, explaining possible reasons for the downvotes. But then OP deleted their question
 
1:14 AM
@CodyGray - OK
 
Question: this suggested edit changes gd.groups.keys()[:2] to list(gd.groups.keys())[:2] because "TypeError: 'dict_keys' object is not subscriptable" (which is True in Python 3) but Python 2 dict keys are subscriptable. I'm not against updating to something that works but... none of the print were corrected (print gd.get_group(key)) is still python 2 syntax.
To be clear I'm between reject and edit and improve edit.
 
1:45 AM
@cigien Maybe a good candidate for a historical lock? The answer seems useful.
 
It doesn't feel like it makes the cut. The answer's ok-ish, and the question doesn't seem to have much views, so I wouldn't bother.
 
Might anyone venture a guess at why this explained, correct, demonstrated, unique answer (of mine) has received two no-comment downvotes and a delete vote? stackoverflow.com/a/69838379/2943403
 
probably people offended by the typos
 
ha, now I understand!
 
@mickmackusa Hmm, actually, I didn't run it, but ...isn't the replacement parameter missing a \1?
 
1:57 AM
No, that is the beauty of the special \K.
 
oh, fascinating.
 
There is no need for any capture groups or references. \K "forgets" any previously matched characters (restarts the fullstring match).
 
Hm, clever. Seems like it ought to work. No idea why it's downvoted.
Maybe someone thought it was too clever? Maybe it's revenge voting?
Seems fine to me but I'm not an SME.
 
Downvotes could be for any reason, but I can't see any reason it would have a delete vote. That seems odd.
 
2:00 AM
The delete vote is especially odd.
 
I guess I'll just chalk these senseless abuses up to "Stack Overflow being Stack Overflow".
 
possessive match on \S++ is clever.
Seems fine to me as well.
 
Without the possessive quantifier, I lose the last letter of the last word. Thanks.
 
2:19 AM
@mickmackusa I forget how many there were originally, but you can check the result now: much cleaner!
 
2:29 AM
@mickmackusa they were in awe by the uniqueness and went bonkers.
 
2:53 AM
@bad_coder That's just vandalised no?
 
@HenryEcker ups, I didn't notice the post had an edit history and didn't think about vandalism.
 
Anyone have the vandalism comment handy, I don't have auto comments setup on this machine?
 
I don't actually have a vandalism canned comment, I rarely come across these...
 
Thank you @cigien
 
2:56 AM
np
@bad_coder Should that still be closed?
 
@bad_coder found a problem (though the no-comment dv's still feel like abuse). I was calling the_title() instead of get_the_title(). Both are valid WP functions, but the former does not return the string by default. The latter is the simpler call. That'll teach me for never learning WP ...ever.
I could have fixed that up faster, and cost others less rep from downvotes, with a mere comment. ...IF that was the justification for the downvotes.
 
@bad_coder @Makyen please move to dev/null case of mistaken identity.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request.
 
@cigien not that I can see, from memory I'd say the review queue on my display finished just above the edit history link. A misleading review item.
 
Ah, I see. No worries, thanks for checking.
 
3:16 AM
@mickmackusa let us verify the checklist why would someone downvote the mickmack? In a nutshell the list gives 5 reasons to disagree, I guess 2 people disagreed...
 
3:27 AM
3 CVs left, I'll save them for my favorite tag latter today...
 
@bad_coder what's that?
 
@bad_coder In all honesty, I wasn't having a whinge when I was asking for feedback from SOCVR -- I really could not see anything downvote-worthy in my initial answer. This highlights how unhelpful "no-comment downvotes" are. If there would have been a constructive comment with the downvote, I could have repaired my answer sooner and not bothered anyone else. I am starting to believe that downvotes on answers should not cost a rep point if you include a comment (which justifies the downvote).
If you comment and downvote an answer, the downvote would cost nothing; but if that comment is later removed (because it is too chatty / irrelevant), then your account gets whacked with the -1 rep. Still early days on considering the ramifications on such a feature.
 
3:49 AM
@desertnaut ok, 1st favorite is python-sphinx. But I meant the 2nd favorite PyCharm (I got addicted to the 2nd tag because it has lots of questions.)
@mickmackusa I'm actually at a complete loss with RegEx. I learnt it years ago and as they say, whenever you get good at it you move onto something else and forget what you've learned.
@mickmackusa now, I did try -and failed- to make a funny remark. I edited a "comment on downvote" wiki on MSE earlier today (someone must have rolled back, I can't find the thread or the edit) which had some some real snark to it... By coincidence you mentioned this today and I wanted to link you to it, a shame I can't find it now.
But @mickmackusa forget about DVs, CVs, and RegEx for a minute. Send us a music you love today.
 
4:08 AM
@bad_coder There are just three kinds of music: Pearl Jam, Pearl Jam, and Pearl Jam
This is my gospel. Eddie Vedder has said "the looser things get, the tighter you become". This describes my SO content curation journey.
 
@mickmackusa It's a good thing you stick to PHP, otherwise you might end up in a Perl jam...
2
 
b'dum chssh
Coincidently, I'll be abandoning PHP in the near future. I am starting my .NET career in 2022.
 
Gotta say, MS has been doing some interesting stuff there.
 
It was not my choice, but I agree with my employer's justification.
 
Though Kotlin significantly has lessened my desire to jump ship from the emits-Java-bytecode ecosystem.
It does make me sad when I have to write Java, though :-)
 
4:17 AM
ha
 
@RyanM hahahaha precious remark :D
@mickmackusa I really liked Pearl Jam in my youth, I've grown more estranged of their music over the years.
But I've had a personal grunge revival just last month. Couldn't stop listening to Nirvana and Alice in Chains.
 
@tripleee if you've got a spare moment, could I get a second pair of eyes on this edit as an SME? It looks like it fixes a clear mistake based on the man page, but you know a lot more about shell utilities than me.
 
@mickmackusa Vitalogy and Vs. still have mythical status for me.
 
4:33 AM
@bad_coder Okay, I'll be completely honest. I am in the same boat. Went to probably 6 or 7 PJ concerts when I was in my teens and 20's. Their latest stuff doesn't have the same edge as the old stuff. Though I do like the lesser known No Code and bootleg goodies. I find myself listening to "Smells like the 90's" on iHeart radio at work because there was too much mindless chatter on "Hauraki Radio" (out of New Zealand).
Having seen PJ live in two different countries, my eyes were opened about the impact that a good/bad audience can have on the experience. In the US, I was always immersed in a crowd of people who could scream along with every song. When I went to PJ (and Ben Harper) in Australia, I was the only person who knew the words. Completely different experience.
Australia has lost its sense of rock.
It was too great a burden for ACDC to manage alone.
 
@RyanM @RyanM The answer looks superficially well written and informative, but I really don't think it is upon closer inspection. Maybe it's just my bias against impractical obsessions over architecture, but there's nothing in there that I see that is valuable. Even more importantly, the author has already posted all of that and more on his blog, which should be equally if not more findable.
 
@CodyGray Fair points on all counts.
Grrrr.
 
4:50 AM
Odd, you already made it !important.
Wow. I have never used or noticed "highlights".
@HenryEcker @bad_coder Do not vandalize your posts. By posting on this site, you've irrevocably granted the Stack Exchange network the right to distribute that content under the [CC BY-SA 4.0 license](//creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/) for as long as it sees fit to do so. For alternatives to deletion, see: [I've thought better of my question; can I delete it?](https://$SITEURL$/help/what-to-do-instead-of-deleting-question)
Obviously, change $SITEURL$ if you're not using the Auto Review Comments userscript.
 
5:07 AM
Okay, new rules for Dark Reader for anyone using it for chat:
Add these two rules to the INVERT section:
.highlight .reply-info
.highlight .content a
And then these to the CSS section:
.highlight .content {
    color: #222222 !important;
}
.highlight .mention {
    color: #DDDDDD !important;
}
Really I should probably make a PR for these eventually.
 
 
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@RyanM yeh, approved, though the question is quite likely a duplicate
 
thanks :-)
also, i've been drinking, so this may not be the best answer ;) — John Boker Jul 3 '10 at 4:12
(although, honestly, it's correct.)
 
And also "this is a real question, just not a question suited for SO." but why not answer anyway and gain rep...
 
@JeanneDark Are you sure we shouldn't save that, just as a rebuttal to some "remember the good old days?" arguments?
 
@CodyGray If you think it's worth keeping, I'm fine with having my request binned
 
6:54 AM
Hmm, seems Jeanne's been drinking, too. The snark parser seems to have been deactivated.
 
No, I detected the snark. Probably should have added ;) to my message.
 
and here I was going to threaten Cody with having to handle a bunch of comment flags if that question stuck around...
 
If I was going to keep the question, surely I'd want to preserve those amazing comments, too, right?
I mean, they are an essential part of what makes the question what it is.
Whatever it is that it is.
 
They are certainly representative of its quality, that's for sure.
 
Snark.hs:3:14: error:
    • Ambiguous type variable: I can't tell what type 'meme' should have.
      'meme' has type '(Monoid a) => a', but
      I cannot tell which instance of Monoid to use for a
      Probable fix: use a type annotation to specify what ‘a’ should be.
3
 
github.com/master7720/phobos-2.0.0-AutoCrystal offers a $20 reward to anyone who decodes this. Did you plan to take our analysis and reap the reward? — tripleee 46 secs ago
 
@tripleee Just a tad bit more effort, and it might well have worked, too!
 
clearly
 
@tink That looks like an IDE to me, which would make it not general computing. Am I missing something?
 
@CodyGray well ... how's that different from running a browser as root, though? It's not a programming problem per se. Whether I know how to (or whether the app will refuse to play along) run an app as root has little to no relation to programming?
Where does one draw the line?
 
7:48 AM
The official definition is "software tools commonly used by programmers". I think that clearly includes IDEs, as they are used nearly exclusively by programmers. All questions about IDEs are on-topic here. For browsers, it would depend, I'd say, on whether the question is being asked in a software-development context.
 
It's also not a question of running the IDE as root. It's a question of getting the IDE to run the script as root.
 
Ah well ... I'll pull my tail in once again =)
 
Is this the sort of question that has value to sticking around, because someone actually answered the rather broad ask? Or is it too specific to the asker's situation?
 
8:03 AM
@RyanM Meh. Probably not in its current form, but it is something that I would personally try to see if I could rescue by editing the question.
 
 
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10:16 AM
#RO can you please remove my last cv-pls? OP added MCVE
 
11:05 AM
It is indeed an attempt to answer... A very low quality one.
 
11:18 AM
@Dharman already requested
 
@SurajRao good job catching the plagiarism here stackoverflow.com/a/69812583/4685471 ; did you flag it, or should I do so?
 
yes. already mod flagged it
 
11:34 AM
 
11:52 AM
Morning
 
@NathanOliver serious time zone bigotry
 
12:12 PM
@tripleee It has nothing to do with time zones. It's always morning when I wake up ;) I used to work third shift, which really confuses you on which day it is so I made a rule for myself that it's not tomorrow until you wake up :)
 
^^ I have the same rule. It can't be tomorrow if I haven't gone to bed yet.
 
By just not going to bed you can have very long days ;)
 
She's onto me...
 
@tripleee We all run off of Universal Greeting Time ;)
 
@Machavity thanks, good resource
 
12:25 PM
So, if you ever take the ~8 AM flight from Guam to Honolulu, and you fall asleep on the plane, do you still arrive yesterday?
 
or, as the spammers like to say, "excellent article"
 
@tripleee This one weird trick allows you to greet everyone...
 
12:49 PM
Has anyone noticed that recently the amount of question ban evasion has been staggering?
 
1:18 PM
@Dharman yes. and this kind of imposed restrictions are in direct conflict with all the UX work around making sign up as easy as possible, and guess which one gets the most employee-hours
 
@Dharman I think it's just due to the season we're in. This is homework season and folks know that throwaway accounts are an easy way to get answers, avoid bans, and avoid institutional accountability
 
The mod flag text area is really too small when you flag possible sockpuppetry and voting fraud and try to explain your findings and add links.
 
The problem is that as a non-mod user sometimes I have a trouble finding links to previous accounts to raise a mod flag
 
FWIW, one of the language-specific SO mods complained the other day that their site gets bombarded by students rolling up new accounts from one particular school who all ask the same literal question and never return
The school was contacted about it, but they don't seem to care
 
@JeanneDark u ha 2 b cr8v 4 ur flag msg
 
1:24 PM
Maybe the school should set up a "Teams" account? xD
 
@CodyGray :) It's indeed close to what it looks like
 
@CodyGray ths usr bad lol del plzthx
 
dclnd
 
@Machavity Hey, flag messages are confidential! You aren't supposed to paste them in here.
 
Whoops. Forgot to anonymize that :P
 
1:26 PM
@AdrianMole Oops! Too long to fit. Try again.
 
I try to put only the most crucial information in the flag
 
Me, too
 
We've had people include links to private Gists in mod messages before, but that seems pretty excessive.
 
1:28 PM
QR codes?
 
Use an ellipsis and expect the user to read minds?
 
Gzip+base64 the message and hope the mod's on the same page
 
and for fun rot13
 
@JohnDvorak Should not be a problem (reference)
 
I just wonder if Kevin B has ever flagged a post with his characteristic 🚽 as the entirety of the message.
 
1:45 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/32277700/python-tkinter-error/… Am I missing something here? The voting seems weird
 
@SurajRao Already flagged and handled
 
oh... My page wasn't refreshed I guess.
 
The garbage answer was still there, but another mod had already deleted a sock. I've now deleted the garbage answer. Teamwork. :-)
 
I noticed that they had tried the same again right after my first flag was handled. Everything got handled why I was writing my second one :)
 
@JohnDvorak data:application/gzip;base64,<string> to make sure you help the mod to figure it out
 
1:51 PM
Should I remove the Italian here or is this question not useful? stackoverflow.com/q/8155264/1839439
 
the translation is slightly inaccurate though
 
anyway the question has 3k views, I guess people are finding it
 
@blackgreen In 9 years?
 
well better than nothing, for those poor souls
 
1:57 PM
Yes that Italian should be removed
it serves no point being in the question; it's available in the revision history if anyone doubts the accuracy/meaning of the English translation in the future
 
speaking about foreign languages, what's the policy when a code snippet contains variable names that are not in English? It may reduce question clarity. Is the general advice the same as for non-English posts?
 
@blackgreen There is no issue with that
 
i.e. ask the OP to fix it
 
No
Variable names can be anything people want
it doesn't make it any less understandable if someone's variable is a named theName or ilNamo
 
2:05 PM
People might still ask what something is for or what you're trying to do but that happens all the time for English questions too, so it's not an issue inherent in the language used
 
2:47 PM
Is it just me or is there more non english Q&A.. Are language-specific sites not as active?
 
I haven't noticed any increase
 
hmm. so it's just me coming across it more
 
> A solver is a generic term indicating a piece of mathematical software, possibly in the form of a stand-alone computer program or as a software library, that 'solves' a mathematical problem. A solver takes problem descriptions in some sort of generic form and calculate their solution. In a solver, the emphasis is on creating a program or library that can easily be applied to other problems of similar type.
??
 
so, a function
 
3:00 PM
huh TIL
@Dharman thanks.. Should have started with that
 
More than just a function. Could be a program that works something out using a given set of input parameters. Another program (the driver) then repeatedly calls that solver with varying values of those parameters, and produces some kind of analysis of the results.
 
@KevinB Not necessarily. It's more generic than that. But it's specialised software. For example, it could be proving theorems.
Adrian is probably more familiar here. I've only had a brief introduction in Uni (like, maybe 10-15 minutes total).
 
I wrote a piece of software. Someone else (someone clever) then used my program as a solver.
I still have no idea what we actually learned from the whole exercise, but we got a publication from it. :)
 
Article title: "Observations after making Adrian write some meaningless piece of code and claiming it's super useful"
 
Add "Bayesian" and "inference" to that and you're actually quite close.
 
Abstract: "We ran an experiment making Adrian write a piece of code. We tracked down the Bayesian distribution on the amount of coffee he drank and drew inference to the coffee-drinking required for real software development"
 
So there OP added one right tag...
 
@AdrianMole So if you asked them to stop, would that be a solvent?
 
3:23 PM
@Machavity The salt on this chain of messages worries me.
 
@Braiam Are you saying you've been a-salted?
 
I didn't do any close vote reviews yesterday. It feels... weird
 
3:37 PM
is this an answer?
 
@blackgreen I've edited to make it more clear, but it still looks to be link-only
and thus NAA
 
thanks
 
The accepted answer suffers from the same issue, somewhat
 
4:16 PM
 
4:36 PM
Another one of those days... i.stack.imgur.com/C8c0O.png
Everyone and their mother commenting "wow this was the problem for me! Crazy!"
 
same comment thread?
 
Yep
 
I would just mod flag the post for comment cleanup
 
@SurajRao the issue is one or two of the comments didn't need to be deleted
so most mods will probably scoff at being asked to discern that information for themselves in a mod flag
plus I started out just flagging one or two that I noticed while scrolling by. Then I realized many more of the longer ones needed to be deleted
not to mention, mod flagging is no good way to raise your flag score :-P
 
@TylerH Oh.. Havent experienced that
 
4:48 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw once the rules for when a post leaves the low quality queue as a MSE post but can't find it. Does anyone have a link to such rules?
 
@Tomerikoo Review queue workflows - Final release contains a flow chart
 
@JeanneDark Thanks, but not what I was looking for. A post was in the Low Quality Answers review and I suspect that after it was edited (outside the queue) the review item was invalidated, but can't confirm that
 
"The post is edited outside of the review UI and the new revision passes the system's quality test"
 
Perfect! Thanks. Confirms what I had in mind (not sure how didn't find that post... My Google skills are rusted)
 
6:05 PM
for a Friday, unexpectedly few horrible questions have hurt my eyes so far ... Is there a school holiday or something? (Famous last words)
 
@tripleee It's Guy Fawkes / Bonfire Night in the UK, so lots of people attending fireworks displays.
 
6:39 PM
@tripleee Just say the name of your favorite troll three times and it will get busy again
 
7:38 PM
 
9:16 PM
@Juraj Please add a specific cv-pls reason, "off-topic" is not really sufficient. Is that a general computing question?
 
@cigien "Blatantly off-topic" is a specific checkbox selection in the close-flag dialog. While we'd like for something more descriptive to be used, either when the cv-pls is created through the question page request dialog or edited into the request message in chat, we don't actually require it, due to the availability of that explicit close-flag reason option in the flag dialog, assuming the user was raising a flag.
 
@Makyen Oh, interesting, I didn't realize that. The FAQ explicitly says "A request reason of just "off-topic" is insufficient, ..." so I just assumed that adding "blatantly" wouldn't suffice. It is a close-flag reason though, as you mentioned. Perhaps the wording in the FAQ should be changed slightly? As currently worded, it's misleading (to me, at least).
 
10:27 PM
Hello all ;)
 
10:40 PM
@SurajRao what's the problem with solver?
@KevinB simplest example would be a single variable polynomial, if you write it as a function x=f(x) a solver would give you the solution. Solvers today mean anything involving optimization, etc.. Of course it gets complicated quick after that. But seems like a legit tag to me, until such time when it gets substituted by more specific tags.
A good tag wiki for solver should link to a bunch of the most popular solvers in several languages like SymPy for example to link new users to the right resources and guide more experienced users in correctly retagging questions.
 

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