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Please don't raise flags on comments because you think a proposed duplicate target is incorrect. As @cigien already pointed out, that's not a correct use of flags, because mods don't arbitrate technical correctness. You aren't guaranteed and shouldn't assume a particular mod will handle your flag, so there's no guarantee of domain knowledge. It isn't reasonable to hold comment flags until someone with domain knowledge does come along.
Note that this is not unique to "possible duplicate" comments; it applies to any comment that you're flagging because you think it is wrong/incorrect. That's not an appropriate use of comment flags. I cannot tell you the number of custom flags that I decline on comments saying some variant of, "This comment is wrong/harmful/doesn't work." I'm irritated every time.
A NLN flag is especially pernicious, because a mod who isn't paying close attention might assume that the flag is being raised because the question was already closed and therefore simply delete the comment. That's inappropriate. The mod never even made the decision that the comment/suggestion was incorrect. It was only deleted because you, the flagger, made that assessment. You shouldn't have that right.
When you think a proposed duplicate target is incorrect, or any comment is incorrect, you should reply to it, pointing out why it is incorrect. If the original commenter is convinced and removes their comment, then you can delete your own. Otherwise, both comments form a pair, which conveys useful information to future viewers.
Otherwise, I agree with and endorse what @TylerH said, that successful closure should auto-remove "possible dupe" comments (although there are some minor bugs surrounding that), and that you can flag them as NLN and they will be auto-removed if the question is already closed.
cc @Dharman @Machavity @IanCampbell ^^
@rene No, you're not, for all the reasons mentioned already by @rene :-)
@desertnaut Can I bother you to leave a comment there explaining what is missing from the existing code to make it into an MRE? I feel like I say this a lot (hopefully to different requesters!), but when there's a clear attempt made to include example code, it's less-than-helpful to have a question merely closed as lacking an MRE. There needs to be some explanation provided, specific to that particular question, about what is lacking. Is it the minimal? Does the code not work?
 
12:35 AM
@Nick Ha, well it would be even more random ;=)
 
@CodyGray model not provided; data not provided; error not provided; "But it doesn't work"
what else would you possibly need?
classic code dump
leave a comment explaining that all these are missing? sorry, don't think so
 
 
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3:40 AM
@desertnaut Maybe it's a lack of domain knowledge, but none of that is clear to me at all. It looks like code was provided to reproduce the problem. Yes, it says "doesn't work", but it also says "It does not find x_test value to predict". It isn't obvious to me why that's an insufficient description of the problem.
And maybe it's my bias with actual programming questions, but I don't think to expect a model to be provided.
 
4:54 AM
Sigh. Still unclear on why we think it's a good idea to remove a tag that corresponds to the name of a function in a programming language.
 
Which one?
 
Yes.
 
Cuz it weighs less than a goose?
 
5:09 AM
Is this on-topic?
 
@oguzismail I've removed the Seeking Recs part. Seems ok to me now.
 
@cigien I've checked for duplicates. :-)
 
Yeah seems ok-ish, thanks. I'd just close vote though :D
 
@oguzismail Yeah, it would certainly be appropriate on certain other SE sites as well, which is sometimes a reason users close these questions.
@CodyGray Ah, good, saved me the trouble. Fortunately, oguz only asked if it was on-topic, so I could answer that without searching for dupes :)
I edited the target a bit though. The way it was phrased, it seemed like the OP wanted to not use xdotool.
 
It's better now. Anyways, do you guys think a disambiguation is even necessary here? If it is, I don't agree with Ian's proposal there, should I post a counter-proposal?
 
5:23 AM
I would go ahead and post it if you have the time.
What I think about this stuff seems to have little impact.
 
@oguzismail What Cody means is that posting on Meta is probably a good idea if you have the time, since you won't get as much feedback in here as you will on Meta.
 
Just wanted to know what you two thought
 
About the technical content? Sorry, that's way outside my areas of expertise, so I can't really give feedback about that.
 
I don't see major problems with Ian's proposed solution, but I haven't given it a lot of thought.
What I do think is that trying to disambiguate >7000 questions is somewhere between a waste of time and a hugely disruptive task.
 
@CodyGray The problem I see is that, if a disambiguation is really necessary, neither alpine nor android gets to keep the apk tag; it should be removed.
@CodyGray and that, yeah
 
5:28 AM
I believe that's what Braiam is arguing when he refers to "the Debian strategy". Basically, if there's any ambiguity, neither tag should be able to keep the potentially ambiguous name/phrase. That makes sense to me in general.
 
@CodyGray a rare occassion where I agree with him
 
@CodyGray the duplicate is for X11, the question is specifically about macOS (also the duplicate sort of presupposes you are using xdotool and it's unclear why exactly the OP could not originally get it to work)
I would propose reopening and making it explicitly macos-only
I'm surprised xdotool works at all, if indeed it does work on macOS
 
Hmm, OP hasn't accepted that answer, so maybe it doesn't.
 
if there is a Brew port of it I guess it actually sort of works, but it's probably not impossible to do natively (I found an AppleScript solution but I haven't tried it; it seems rather clunky)
 
You should write it up in your own words and post an answer.
 
5:42 AM
@tripleee Hmm, OK. I saw that it was macOS, but since the answer had proposed the same solution, I assumed it was indeed a dupe. Often, Bash script on macOS is not materially different from other *nixen.
I've reopened now, if you see fit to post an answer, @tripleee.
 
thanks
 
Don't you have a bash hammer anyway?
 
The bash hammer doesn't rub a mod's nose in it ;-)
 
Rubbing one's nose in a hammer could be painful, for sure.
 
turns out I can't get the osascript from the Apple site to work )-:
still a good outcome per se I think to have the question reopened, so thanks for that
 
5:57 AM
@cigien Preferable to bashing one's nose with it.
 
Indeed :D
 
^ exact dupe of closed question
 
@Yatin hammer time! :)
 
6:13 AM
:D
 
@SmokeDetector OP edited, it's still messy but might now be eligible for reopen-pls? closed 7 days ago, probably by this room
 
@mickmackusa I've been thinking about this, and I have to say that the idea of using how one would raise a child, to inform how one filters technical content makes me uncomfortable. There are a couple of reasons for this: I'm not sure that good parenting skills translate to being a good judge of what content is appropriate for a repository of Q&As for programmers. I could see a great parent being a terrible curator of technical content, and a terrible parent being an excellent curator.
Even if there were a positive correlation, there are no shortage of bad parents around the place. Some of my own, fortunately distant, relatives spring to mind. I have to assume that some of them are SO users as well .I'd like to clarify that I don't really have an issue with users using this metric on Main to guide users.
I'm even comfortable with users closing questions for these reasons, mostly because there's no real way to regulate that, even if we wanted to. However, posting a request in this room means you want others to act upon the request, and it makes me uncomfortable when a request is justified like this.
When a request is posted, we have good reasons for those request reasons to be standard. If we are going to start using Needs Focus as essentially a proxy for "Not a question I would accept from my child", I think this would need to be discussed on Meta first.
I am unaware of the existence of such a Meta currently. I suspect there will be support for such a proposal; I get the impression that many curators close questions for reasons similar to those you've described. I also suspect that there might be issues with actually making this into policy.
 
I am definitely sympathetic to your point of view. In fact, I share pretty much all the views on parenting that you've described. I'm not currently raising a child, and I have no immediate plans to do so, but if and when I do, I think I would apply many of the principles you've described to raising my own child. But still, I'm not convinced that using those principles to guide how I curate technical content is necessarily a good idea.
 
@tripleee @Yatin i've voted to reopen the original question stackoverflow.com/questions/65696228/…
 
6:20 AM
Ok, sounds good :)
 
I'm holding back on my reopen-pls but they are definitely improving
 
6:39 AM
Looks ok now, I think.
 
@cigien A more pertinent issue in my eyes is that, with parenting, you have consistency: it's always the same kids that you're parenting. When curating questions, you almost never deal with the same user multiple times, and the "lessons" never stick.
 
Yeah. Also the time frame. I can give my child tasks spanning months, that they can work on incrementally, and which I can evaluate at each stage. Basically impossible to do that on SO.
In general, I'm just not comfortable with the whole thing, even though I truly admire the intent.
 
@cigien It's not our job to be gatekeepers. What one "deserves" is irrelevant.
 
7:01 AM
What's the appropriate close reason when the question itself is an image? Like here
 
@oguzismail VLQ flag? And close as No MCVE may be?
 
@oguzismail Honestly doesn't matter which one you pick. Just pick one.
I'd probably pick "unclear".
 
@CodyGray Yes, I agree. However, I've noticed that many users do see themselves in that role and sincerely believe that closing questions for lack of effort, or because the OP has otherwise not shown that they "deserve" an answer is in the OP's best interest. Some users have even suggested this is in the best interest of SO.
Whether true or not, this is a sufficiently pervasive viewpoint that it needs to be addressed. Simply stating that they are wrong, or in violation of policy is not really productive. In fact, it's arguably counter-productive, since the underlying motives aren't addressed, so users will continue to do this, but may stop admitting the real reasons.
 
It's confusing, like what's the point of writing the question, taking a picture of it and posting it instead
 
@cigien That's because they're ironically falling victim to the exact same trap as the asker: thinking that SO is a help desk. That's not true at all; the motives or desert of the asker are both equally irrelevant.
@oguzismail To get an answer. Taking a picture of the homework problem is apparently easier and faster for people than actually typing out a question. I find this difficult to believe, because at least for me, the workflow to get a photo off of my device and onto my other device is a hassle that takes far longer than typing a few dozen words, but maybe I'm just old-school.
 
7:33 AM
@CodyGray and @cigien Please allow me to clarify that I am not closing pages because they show no effort. I close questions as Needing More Focus if I feel they contain several questions baked into one parent question. In terms of leniency, I give more leeway to potentially "compound questions" if they should effort. When presented with a requirements dump that shows not a shred of effort, I am far more likely to vote to close as Too Broad.
 
Guys, what do we do with "I cannot understand this code. Please explain... <20lines of code>" type of questions? As in do we just let them be, or do we close them? (Because, if the question is well-formed, I am kinda against DVing it)
 
@d4rk4ng31 Is it clear to you what the person is asking?
 
@CodyGray This is the question: stackoverflow.com/questions/65822708/…
 
Is it of sufficiently narrow scope to be answered on Stack Overflow?
 
@CodyGray umm yes
 
7:35 AM
I edited that to remove the one-box. We have a rule in here that asks users to avoid the automatic one-boxing of post links.
 
@CodyGray Ah! I was wondering how that happened😂
 
Magic.
 
(no one-boxing == don't paste link directly, add some text)
 
@CodyGray :D
anyways, what do we do?
 
@d4rk4ng31 That specific question seems acceptable. They're asking what int(c) means when c is a char. I don't think it's either unclear or too broad. Although, it could do with some editing. And it's probably a duplicate.
 
7:37 AM
@CodyGray Yeah, exactly my thought. I sure as hell, got what they want, to the point. It just ain't that helpful to the community if its a duplicate
Anyway, thanks man :) Be safe
 
@d4rk4ng31 In general, "explain this block of code to me" questions are too broad and should be closed as "lacks focus" (or whatever the reason is called now). In that specific case, I don't think the question was too broad, since it was about one specific line of code (the rest was just there to give context, as we request), but it was still a duplicate, as "simple" questions often are after 10 years of doing Q&A.
 
8:01 AM
@d4rk4ng31 just FYI, here is our FAQ item on one-boxing: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-not-noisy
 
8:16 AM
Hi!
I have reviewed the room FAQ and guidelines. I need a suggestion from you regarding my last question https://stackoverflow.com/questions/65809067/andoid-pathpattern-regex-issue
The question has two close votes. But IMO, I have added most of the details require to understand the problem, and also it meets SO guidelines according to me. Let me know your feedback on this or I can proceed with deleting the question if required.
 
@Killer because people say your regex is working, I would guess it is because it is not reproducible problem
 
It is reproducible problem for the Android Platform. It is not a regex question. Android used wildcard similar to regex. Maybe I should remove regex keywords. It is testable as well using adb commands.
 
@Nick Please use the "rude/abusive" flag for such posts in the future.
 
8:34 AM
@Killer Given your latest edit, I would say that removing is a good idea. As a regex, the pattern that you have is correct. But this is not a regex problem. In fact, as the linked document says, "A simple pattern matcher, which is safe to use on untrusted data: it does not provide full reg-exp support, only simple globbing that can not be used maliciously.". There might be a [glob] tag that might be more appropriate for the question, but I'm not sure.
Overall, I don't see any issues with the question. You've described the problem clearly, provided example inputs that fail, and linked to the relevant docs. I don't see any reason to close the question.
 
@cigien Thank you for your attention. I will update the question based on your suggestion.
 
@Ruli When people just copy paste someone else's answer, consider a custom flag describing the problem and linking to the copied answer.
 
8:59 AM
@JeanneDark I usually do, but this one was more like a comment, NAA was just fine IMO, also could be deleted already in LQP but somebody edited it which made no sense
 
@TomerShetah No, it's definitely an answer.
 
9:20 AM
@CodyGray when a question starts with loading a pre-existing something from the disk (here something=model), it is by definition not reproducible; same holds for the data, too. I totally understand and respect your reluctance to VTC here due to lack of domain knowledge - after all, the same happens to me many times for questions where I don't have such domain knowledge. It's OK to pass
my objection was (is) for the request to comment and explain why exactly this was not reproducible, i.e. essentially re-writing the relevant help article in a version focused for this specific question
I could (and actually often) do that for cases where a little something is missing to make a Q reproducible, but this was not the case here
 
@mickmackusa only "needs more focus" there is a valid close reason ;)
 
@mickmackusa I don't follow. "Find the minimum and maximum of a list of comma separated numbers" needs to be more focused?
And while Jeanne's comment might have been half-joking, could I ask you not to add irrelevant comments to your close reasons?
 
aaand now it's deleted
 
@cigien Just because I knew you would protest and I was faster ;)
 
Actually, I wouldn't have protested at the irrelevant non-reasons if the question actually needed focus.
 
9:46 AM
@cigien this was a great example of when I close a requirements dump which has no effort and is comprised of multiole duplicate questions. See my comment under the question.
 
@mickmackusa Yes, I read your comment. I disagree that the question is too broad. Also, as I've mentioned before, I'm not entirely convinced that closing that with a 4-target combo is a good idea, but I'm open to the idea. Go ahead and close as a dupe if you want. You even have a hammer, so you could do that yourself.
You also keep mentioning that posts are requirement dumps or lack effort. We've already agreed that those are not things you would accept from your children. I ask again, what does have to do with closing a question?
 
@cigien Fundamentally, if the OP would have attempted to craft a solution, there would be a better chance to resolve the singular (or at least fewer) issue(s) by providing duplicate(s). Closing as Needs More Focus is one of the least helpful ways to close a page, so I would rather see more effort so that I can educationally close.
 
10:05 AM
@mickmackusa But why close it at all? If I was writing PHP code, and wanted to look up a way to find the maximum of a list of numbers, I don't think it unreasonable to expect that I could find that on SO. I certainly find C++ questions like that all the time, so maybe it's different in the PHP tag. Sure, I could find answers to each one of the sub-parts of that question, and piece it together myself, but I sincerely don't think that question was too broad to be included in SO's repository.
Did it show an attempt? No. Did it look like the OP knew what they were doing? Probably not. Neither of these are things have ever gotten in the way of me understanding a question. In fact, a lot of attempts are pretty poor, so while they show effort, they actually get in the way of the question in my opinion.
 
@cigien it is perfectly acceptable for us to disagree and it looks like this is the case. If people found out that by asking multiple/compound duplicate questions was tolerable, this would invite more and more under-researched compound questions that are much harder to properly/completely dupe-close. These snowflakes are less valuable than sibgle serve piecemeal for researchers.
 
@mickmackusa I'm not entirely sure who these people are who would find out what policies we choose to implement here. As far as I'm aware, a very large majority of users, especially new ones, have absolutely no clue that any of curators even exist.
But anyway, we can still close under-researched questions if they are too broad, as most of them are. When we see the rare ones that are actually focused, my take on it is that we should keep them. They could even one day become useful canonical targets, and be used for future dupe closures.
 
Unless the OP deletes their question once they got their answer (and before that could be upvoted) ;)
 
10:20 AM
@JeanneDark Yep - that just about sums up the measure of that particular question(er).
Although terms like "requirements dump" and "no effort" are frowned-upon in here, I can see what @mick means. Spotting questions that are likely to end like that one did is a trick that comes from experience, I guess.
 
I raise flags on OP deleting posts after receiving answers fairly regularly. I've never had one declined.
Also, isn't it possible that OP's wouldn't care about deleting their questions as soon as possible, if they don't get a bunch of comments asking them why they didn't put in effort?
 
Interesting. But it's ultimately better that poor quality questions don't get answered, is not?
 
What do you mean by poor quality? That particular question could have been quite easily edited into a clear how-to question.
 
@cigien Maybe if they deleted it before it was answered (ie. someone else put effort into it)
 
@JeanneDark Sorry, I don't follow.
 
10:28 AM
@cigien It seems to me you put the blame on an OP deleting their question after they got their answer on comments. Am I wrong?
 
@JeanneDark Not a comment, they got an answer in an answer.
Also, I'm not blaming the OP for anything. Or the close voters. I'm just saying that for a variety of reasons, a perfectly reasonable Q&A went poof into thin air. Seems like we could avoid that, though I'm not entirely sure how to go about that.
I'm very open to suggestions on how to achieve this.
 
@cigien Sorry, I don't follow. OP wrote a question, got an answer, deleted their question before answer could be upvoted. You write "Also, isn't it possible that OP's wouldn't care about deleting their questions as soon as possible, if they don't get a bunch of comments asking them why they didn't put in effort?" which looks to me like you put the blame on the commenters accusing the OP of not putting in enough effort.
 
this should be a suggestion in a comment stackoverflow.com/a/65825281/8172857
 
@JeanneDark Hmm, I wasn't trying to blame anyone. But yeah, I am claiming that comments of the nature posted on that question are partly responsible for why OPs insta delete their posts when they get an answer.
 
10:40 AM
 
10:57 AM
@CodyGray I did think of that but thought it wasn't that bad... didn't want a new user to get a red flag if it was unintentional... However if that's what is preferred I'll do that in future
 
@cigien what reason do you flag the user with? And, to clarify, you flag the deleted question?
@JeanneDark the question also earned two downvotes which may also have influenced the decision to snap delete after receiving an answer. Maybe they didn't want their teacher/classmates to see the question ...we can't know for sure.
 
@mickmackusa I have a canned flag message "OP deleted the question after receiving an answer". I used to track those flags to see if the question got undeleted, but I don't bother much anymore. They sometimes get undeleted, sometimes not. My intent is just that mods convey (somehow) to the OP that that behavior is unacceptable.
Of course, if I care that the Q&A actually gets undeleted, then I explain why in the flag, though I haven't raised one of those in a while I think. I mostly just vote to undelete in that case, and post an undel-pls if I'm not involved.
Oh, and yes, I raise the flag on the deleted question itself.
 
11:20 AM
 
11:52 AM
@cigien I was under the impression that if a user made a habit of deleting answered questions, that the system had an algorithm which would trigger a question ban if satisfied. For this reason, I never pay such occurrences any attention.
 
is this answer acceptable? It is actually answering the question, but here I am not sure if the question is OK or not, might be resource request, any thought?
 
@mickmackusa That's interesting, I don't know about that system, but it certainly sounds plausible. In fact, now that I think about it, I'm not sure if those flags I raise are actually useful. I mean, they get marked helpful, but that only means a mod agreed with the flag, not that it has the intended effect of letting the OP know they should stop doing that. I do hope that the OP gets at least a warning before they get question banned anyway.
I guess I'll found out soon enough since a bespectacled mod is in the habit of reading the transcript, and will likely let me know if I shouldn't be raising those flags ;)
 
@Ruli it's a poor question, but it is not a recommendation request - it actually asks about the "official" stuff
 
@JeanneDark Thanks. It's very handy having a professional MSO dupe finder around :)
 
12:04 PM
@cigien Nah. The mods have to have some flags to decline, or they'll forget where that button is.
 
Ah, good point :)
@mickmackusa No, based on Jeanne's link, there doesn't seem to be a flag raised for deleting answered questions. There's one for deleting lots of questions, but that's different.
Oh, wait, you said it triggers a question-ban, not an auto flag. My bad. Yeah, it's possible that that happens.
Guess we'll just have to wait for Jeanne to find the right MSO post ;)
 
@desertnaut sure, and the answer?
 
@Ruli based on what is asked, the answer seems OK, too
 
@cigien A mod advised in a comment: "... but if you see this happening feel free to flag and ask a mod to undelete - it bugs me when people do this too."
 
@desertnaut seems that you were incorrect, the question was closed even without my action
 
12:19 PM
@Ruli I VTC'd myself, but not as a recommendation request
 
@Ruli You can see in the timeline who voted to close
 
Desertnaut is correct, asking for official links is on-topic per ...some shog9 post somewhere. The reason is because it doesn't lead to opinion-based answers.
 
@JeanneDark Hmm, that's not really the same thing. I'm pretty sure that a mod (I think it was Cody, but I could be misremembering) said that if you flag a post for undeletion, you need to explain why as well. I don't want to do that, mostly because often I don't have a good argument to undelete it. I raise the flag only to communicate to a mod that the OP did something wrong. I don't even mention anything about undeleting in those flags.
 
@RyanM Maybe this one?
 
@JeanneDark I almost added "that Jeanne will probably conjure up because they're good at that" to my previous message, but I didn't want to presume. Apparently my presumption would have been accurate :-)
 
12:26 PM
@cigien These hundreds of chat messages? I just quoted that comment to show that a mod recommends raising a flag in such cases.
@RyanM Many presumptions about me turn out to be accurate, but not all ;)
 
12:40 PM
@JeanneDark yes, also answer by @Machavity makes great sense meta.stackoverflow.com/a/385996/4685471
 
1:01 PM
Morning
 
Python tag is just one big voting ring
7
 
@Dharman Evidence or speculation?
 
Both, I guess. Also exaggeration.
 
Heh. A number of our mods have gained plenty of rep. from the Python tag - so be careful! :-)
 
1:31 PM
@Dharman I have a golden badge (almost exclusively for ML-related stuff), but I still cannot find the application form for acceptance to this ring. Any pointers?
 
1:51 PM
Main site: I/O error.
... back, now.
 
Is it objectively wrong to review this as "recommend deletion" (due to it being NAA)? stackoverflow.com/revisions/65823872/1
 
@RyanM I think so.. still an answer (with crap added)
 
2:07 PM
@RyanM I don't think the question is really on-topic
 
debating whether to flag the review. I know at least one moderator (hi Cody) really hates filler text, and so maybe that's considered bad enough to warrant deletion until fixed. In this particular case, I just completed the review by fixing it.
@Dharman it might be, a quick search suggests (assuming the answer is correct, which I have no idea about) that that's not the normal ticker symbol, so it might actually be specific to that platform.
 
I don't think you should flag the reviewer.
 
That's what I'm leaning toward as well. It's a suboptimal outcome, but not blatantly wrong.
 
@RyanM The answer isn't NAA, the question is a typo
Or if you want to really be specific, user was thinking that DJI was the correct code for the industrial average.
Code is ok, the string passed is not.
 
2:13 PM
@RyanM Rev 1 looked low quality. Had I seen it in the mod console like that, i would have deleted it
 
Thanks all for the input!
 
I can't find a reason to close or delete the Q either. It looks MRE
 
BTW, user asked same question on other site quant.stackexchange.com/q/60334
 
that might be a legitimate reason to remove it...the other answer is much better, too. I'd leave it up to the moderators, since "cross-site dupe" is well into moderator territory.
 
2:18 PM
thanks ... too dark in this room
 
I clicked the "return to answer" link on a mission towards the close link but left without doing anything.
 
@Dharman the issue with the Python tag is that it's huge. I can give you examples of several answers that aren't duplicates and are in fact unique to the entire site. But only have +1 or +2, problem is the chance of someone coming across the "rough diamond post" when they really need it isn't that high.
@Dharman also in 2020 I recall seeing less than a dozen of Python posts that went over +5 after posting. If you contrast that with C++ where any "increment pointer" gets +5 in 30 minutes Python questions receive much less votes on average.
 
2:38 PM
@tripleee hey, speaking of which, when are we getting dark mode for chat? :-(
 
@TylerH works on my machine :trollface:
 
and I don't mean madara's dark chat userscript or other similar ones :-P
 
darkreader.org in my case :-)
plus one custom CSS rule to make highlighted messages readable
 
Doesn't dark mode hurt your eyes after a while?
 
Doesn't light mode hurt your eyes after a while? ;-)
More seriously: for me, not with the brightness set properly. I have it set pretty low, so the contrast is pretty pleasant. Also, it's rarely bright white on pure black.
 
2:51 PM
Both of my monitors are set with brightness 0
 
It does but not as much as dark mode. I can't read grayish-white on black for a long time
 
@oguzismail I've found a significant reduction in eye strain after switching to dark mode. I think this is the best it's been for me in the last few years
 
@RyanM looks really cool, but for me the fonts are too small in chat, I'd have to change everything about chat to go for that style.
 
I should cavet that it does need to be set up correctly. There is a lot of dark modes I've seen where the contrast makes it worse
 
Could this be considered an answer?
 
2:54 PM
@JeanneDark Not in my opinion
 
@JeanneDark I think it's an extremely poor attempt at one. They set bot.snipes = new Collection(); but then read it via msg.client.snipes.
 
It's only asking clarification questions. If the answerer is intending to ask something that should make the asker realize something which ought to be obvious, they should just state that instead so there is no confusion.
 
Thanks
 
I edited it to say...pretty much that chat message.
 
If they are correct, question is typo
 
2:56 PM
It reminds me of the countless articles for JavaScript development with some new tool. "Just run npm git bash gem <fancytool> to install"
Assuming you know what any of those things are, or have them installed, or know where to run that
 
Got deleted
 
It did, indeed.
 
3:07 PM
@RyanM Thanks for the tip, this is quite nice. Could you share that rule? Highlighted messages are completely unreadable at the moment.
 
@cigien Add to the CSS for the stack exchange sites:
.highlight {
    color: #222222 !important;
}
 
@RyanM Thank you :)
 
3:29 PM
@sideshowbarker Why does it have 5 upvotes?
 
@Dharman No reason I can imagine other than voting fraud
 
@sideshowbarker the explanation is actually that they had a mismatch in values included in the payload and they didn't realize browsers checked those payloads for CORS violations. That's not at all a typo, and why browsers do that would be another question altogether
 
@Dharman I've run into those before, it's always 5 very quick upvotes in the first few minutes.
Usually just custom flag a mod to look at it.
 
My magic button doesn't show anything suspicious though.
 
@Dharman What magic button?
 
4:30 PM
@Dharman Thanks, wouldn't that yield lots of false positives? It isn't always fraud when a user gets several upvotes in a couple minutes
 
yes
 
4:42 PM
 
5:15 PM
Is this an answer in addition to being a different question? Could it be edited to be an answer?
 
@IanCampbell Looks like a question, but it could be edited into an answer.
 
@IanCampbell well, reads more like a "I have this problem as well and it wend and returned without reason*
 
Agreed. Sometimes incomplete answers can be helpful to others to arrive at the complete solution though.
 
Partial answers are also not NAA.
 
But that is my question. Is it a partial answer or is it just describing their different quesiton?
 
5:23 PM
@IanCampbell I was (un)lucky is not a partial answer.
 
It looks like they are explaning the background of how they got the problem.
So no, doesn't look like a partial answer
 
"Please could someone help explain what's going on here, and how I might be able to resolve the problem...?"
 
To play devil's advocate, what if I edited the question to be. "I found these interesting correlates to the issue. <Stuff here>. I hope these observations will help others find a more complete solution."?
 
@IanCampbell Can you elaborate more on "<Stuff here>"? That would need to be replaced with information from the answer that isn't describing their issue.
 
I guess I couldn't really come up with a reasonable partial answer with what's written. NAA it is then.
 
5:30 PM
Do the goings on in this question and answer(s) need intervention or is it all sound? I'm somewhat confused.
 
@IanCampbell Could it be considered answering somewhat the "help explain what's going on here" part?
 
@tink For some reason the OP wouldn't post a self answer, so I decided to post a CW answer since they were editing an answer into the question.
In fact I actually came across that answer when I was editing out of the question.
But this answer looks like it is requesting clarification. Is it NAA?
 
And his Edit that explained how the "type svn" led him to "hashed" which then sorted out his problem ...
I'm still not sure what the right approach there would be - I was intrigued by the little "edit war".
 
Hopefully they won't roll back my edit with that new button...
 
@tink Potentially helpful meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/356951/…
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated I think that is an answer. There are lots of useful rhetorical question answers.
 
5:46 PM
has been burninated, all that remains now is to delete the closed questions.
 
Since when is Community user reviewing audits?
 
Perhaps the actual reviewer's account was deleted
 
Maybe a moderator rejected a VLQ or NAA flag on the answer, so the system marked it as okay?
 
@JeanneDark Wouldn't it show sth like user217765 if that were the case?
 
6:22 PM
Should I edit out the which tag from this question since it appears to be a useful duplicate? stackoverflow.com/q/8566704/12708583
Lol as I say that it gets edited out
What about this? Should I edit out the "which" tag? stackoverflow.com/q/1233129/12708583
It seems to be useful with 5 upvotes and an accepted answer with 18 upvotes.
 
@IanCampbell nice - thanks a lot; great robust and civil discussion there, too. Hat off to @halfer
 
6:46 PM
Why is there no syntax highlighting here? stackoverflow.com/q/65831636/1839439
Is it because HTML is the main tag?
 
@Dharman I'm not sure how you expect an answer if you immediately edit the post such that the issue no longer occurs.
 
YEah, that was dumb of me
 
So, let me rephrase. How does the system pick the syntax highlighter when you don't specify it explicitly in the code block?
 
@Dharman tag
 
6:54 PM
There are 2 tags
 
highest count
 
Does it pick the one that is the leftmost one?
 
let me check, that was how it used to work
but I remember someone told me that changed
 
it could be that it then fallsback to default, as in: I take a guess
 
6:56 PM
(From the SD Report Q&A) Does anyone know what's going on with this revision? stackoverflow.com/posts/45366199/revisions
Seems to conflict with the author's intent.
 
@Dharman If there's more than one tag that has a highlighting language specified, or if none of the tags have one specified, it uses a default and lets Prettify infer what's the best language to use. from link @JeanneDark offered
 
@IanCampbell It looks good to me
 
OK, thanks
 
@rene so...magic?
 
hmmm, yeah. The maintainers of Highlight.js claim their default guessing is better then what Prettify offered. I've yet to see a post where that is indeed true.
And I digged pretty deep in how prettify worked for their "default" case: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/327673/…
 
7:01 PM
@IanCampbell Of course, I am not an SME so I don't understand why they decided that it was needed to make that edit, but I don't see anything immediately wrong or needing my intervention.
 
7:20 PM
My new superpower is awesome
 
I'm impatient
 
:D
 
Why is SQL tag such a mess? Are there no gold-badge holders there? Finding anything in SQL is a nightmare
 
7:30 PM
 
did you try adding an rdbms specific tag?
 
Yes, I got 10 duplicates
 
@Dharman There are lots of SQL gold badges out there but SQL is a language and you write in flavors of the language, not in the language itself
and the folks who answer that don't care that much for closing stuff as dupes
 
@Dharman If, and only if, no highlighting language is explicitly set on the code block, then my understanding from the discussions on Meta about highlighter.js and some investigation on my own is that SE passes all of the single languages defined as the highlighting language for each of the tags on the question to highlighter.js and tells highlighter.js to highlight each code block in the question using the language it auto-detects from that list of languages for each code block.
If, and only if, all tags on the question have been set to "default", then highlighter.js is told to select a language for each code block from the limited list of languages which SE considers the "default" list. If any tag has a highlighting language set to something other than "default" (including, possibly, "none"), then the list of languages which highlighter.js is permitted to select from is strictly just the ones defined by the question tags.
In this case, both and were set to "default", which should have resulted in the default list being used for selecting the highlighting language, when no other tag was on the question. However, having them set to "default" would result in syntax highlighting not working if any other tag was something other than "default", including "none".
Unfortunately, setting the highlighting language to "default" does not force the default list to be included in addition to any which are explicitly defined in the other tags. Better would be that the highlighting language selection for a tag would be able to include a list of languages, rather than just a single language, and/or using "default" would include the default list in addition to any which are defined for the other tags.
 
I find that since there's no ansi sql implementation, there should be no sql tag.
 
Math.random(6)
 
4
 
@Dharman You forgot the link: xkcd.com/221
 
@Makyen The title text of that lead me to this Wikipedia article. What?
 
Yeah, it is an old protocol. We stopped using it as it wasn't very secure and reliable. Hawks were the main problem
 
7:40 PM
@IanCampbell :)
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a carrier pigeon. :)
@Dharman I'd note that even with both the HTML and JavaScript languages defined as available for that particular code block, it looks like highlighter.js chooses HTML, as a result of the large amount of HTML which is contained as Strings within the JavaScript. So, the solution which you used of explicitly defining the highlighting language would be what's needed anyway.
 
Thanks, both to Makyen and Rene
 
@bad_coder @Makyen please move to dev/null my mistake, both questions are different although very similar.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
@IanCampbell I like the experiments where the avian carrier beats an ADSL connection ...
 
Indeed. There's a certain dissonance to the whole thing. Absurd, but also almost serious.
 
8:25 PM
Question: can any user edit in the "tag has been burninated" thing? I want to do it for the "which" tag.
 
8:36 PM
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated what thing are you referring to?
The which tag already has a banner at the top of the question and a status-completed tag
@Dharman Use this one stackoverflow.com/questions/1404890/… others should be dupes of it or similar (that last one you linked looks like maybe closeable as a typo)
 
I used 5 of them including this one.
 
9:27 PM
FYI @Dharman I noticed your magic button doesn't seem to work when it's under wiki posts
not sur eif you were aware of that yet or not
 
9:45 PM
Wiki posts? Do you mean community wiki? Yeah, they are a small percentage of posts and I was never motivated enough to fix the button there.
 
10:17 PM
@Dharman Yeah, the only kind of wiki that Stack Exchange has :-)
 
Tag wiki?
 
wiki posts (as I did say originally)
 
@cigien Forget my last message please.
 
10:38 PM
 
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11:08 PM
 
@Dharman you've been having fun with that hammer, haven't you? :)
 
Yeah, but I don't have enough of them
@10Repsaysgetvaccinated You've done most of the work yourself? Well done. Why didn't you leave any for the rest of us?
 
@Dharman I thought there were way more left for everyone else. How do you know how many I did?
 
Rodgort keeps track
 
What is that?
 
I had no idea I did that many.
Next time I'll do maybe a 1/4
But FWIW I didn't see much activity as opposed to the last burnination I participated in.
 
11:37 PM
Rodgort doesn't show deletions either for some reason. I nuked a bunch when it started
Still, it's been well over a year since we ran any formal burninations. Was good to get one more done
 
It's been a year since [id] was burninated? Time flies...
 

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