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12:22 AM
@NotTheDr01ds if the question is old and there is a NATO, kindly include this info in the request - thanks
 
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1:10 AM
@gnat That's very interesting, thanks. It could certainly be improved (as most posts can), but in its current state it doesn't look remotely close worthy to me.
 
1:26 AM
@RyanM I reported it on MSE and animuson gave an answer that's interesting and clarifying.
 
 
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3:41 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ Cheers! I ninja-edited the image link inline.
@JeanneDark Answer: No, they cannot.
 
 
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4:46 AM
@bad_coder Huh, that's super interesting. Thanks for the link.
 
 
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7:49 AM
@U12-F̉͋̅̾̇orward Is it really a bad duplicate? Why does it need to be deleted?
 
 
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9:45 AM
Are accepted answers positioned higher than other answers with the same score now?
 
10:07 AM
@Dharman Yes
 
thanks, I couldn't find it
 
Zoe
Is this on-topic?
 
@Zoe Seems like it. Asking a non-opinionated clarification question about documentation for a programming library is on-topic.
> This isn't a practical programming question; that notation is indeed standard.
Sorry, that logic makes no sense. If the notation is standard, then it's infinitely practical for a programmer to want to understand it.
 
I also think it's rather on-topic. They are asking about a Python library.
 
Zoe
yeah, didn't really agree with that reasoning, but figured there could be a chance it'd be off-topic anyway
 
10:14 AM
When a serial spammer also left comments with the spam links on other people's posts (yes, they had enough rep), is it okay to custom flag one of their normal posts (question or answer) and point towards the comments (as good as is possible with the short text area)?
 
@JeanneDark Yes, but it's probably not necessary. Just flag the comments with a custom reason. All we're going to do is delete the comments, so a comment flag is fine. You'd only need a custom flag on a post if you wanted us to do something other than delete the comments. Presumably, the user's spamming has already been addressed via their spam answers.
 
@CodyGray Thanks! I already flagged a post. They left 4 such comments and I thought the text area for comment mod flags was a bit too small. I'm not sure what you usually do with users who post spam comments.
 
@JeanneDark Burn them at the stake.
 
That's appropriate ;)
 
Or, if they have other valuable contributions, delete all of the spam contributions and message them.
 
10:20 AM
But could have been a suspension or something like that.
 
What should I do with this edit? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/30237281 Is rolling it back enough?
 
@Dharman Rejected.
Note that OP approved it, so unless you had a mod around to override the approval, there isn't anything you could do other than roll back.
 
Good that at least mods can still reject it
 
shouldn't the edit queue reject suggested edits which override subsequent edits, though?
 
Mods can only override the approval/rejection if there haven't been any edits made in-between.
 
10:30 AM
It shouldn't allow to submit it, I don't know how this one was submitted
 
Suggesting edits to add "thanks" etc. Shudder
 
Oh, I didn't notice it came from a race condition. Is it bad that I didn't even blink at a suggested edit that just made a post garbage?
 
No, because that user has a pattern stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/30235887
 
And not too unsuccessful with it
 
So I should approve that one? :-)
Someone should let a moderator know that an editor is making bad edits.
14 approved, 8 rejected, of 22 total.
Oops, Dharman was faster than I was on this and this
 
10:37 AM
Sorry
 
Maybe Dharman's edit-bot has developed a taste for review-rejections.
 
You couldn't reject that one as OP made another edit
 
@CodyGray I found a SO scrapper site that does not show any attribution to SO... do you know what is the best option for reporting it to SO... some Meta posts suggest that SO cannot take any legal actions
 
@DalijaPrasnikar Use Contact Us form
 
10:39 AM
Thanks
 
@DalijaPrasnikar The policy has apparently changed, so that they won't take any action on lack of attribution. They'll only do something if it's actually a scraper proxy.
And.. maybe not even then. Animuson recently changed ("clarified") the policy.
 
Yeah, that's where I noticed the policy change.
> Emphasize that we are no longer interested in receiving scraper reports. The option in the contact form may or may not disappear in the future.
Was a bit of shock, to say the least.
 
I was also surprised. There was also no explanation, just these edits.
 
I landed on this one while Googling and it is quite high in results... I would expect that sites taking away page views from SO would be taken more seriously
 
10:43 AM
Yeah, you would think. That's how the policy used to be.
 
I'll try reporting anyway...
 
Zoe
> Unfortunately, at this time, there is no action we can take to remedy this situation as we do not own the content ourselves. You may, however, be able to take action yourself if you are the owner of the content.
Sounds like they had a few failed attempts, and legal shut it down
 
They are a license holder, so that makes little sense.
 
Zoe
Hey, we already know their legal department isn't exactly top-tier...
 
10:45 AM
Yeah, that's so true.
 
I mean, they even got into a massive fight and seeded a diaspora over what could have been fixed by a simple apology
 
Hilariously, a mod just asked the same question as Dalija in the Teachers' Lounge. :-)
So... this is a pretty common issue.
@JohnDvorak When was the last time you ever saw a legal department apologize outside of a court of law?
 
And yet it was the only sensible thing to do
 
@JohnDvorak As my lawyer uncle likes to say: "You're getting the law confused with common sense."
 
The term "common sense" is such a misnomer. It's neither a sense - as in an organ that converts stimuli to data - nor at all common.
 
10:49 AM
An apology could be considered an admission of guilt, couldn't it?
 
Yes, exactly; it could.
Fortunately, the word "sense" has multiple senses in which it can be used.
 
Interestingly enough, "common sense" would be a perfectly legal term for the part of signal that's transmitted by applying the same voltage to both wires in a pair, the other part being the differential sense.
 
As someone who does a lot of work with electrical engineers and data-acquisition systems, I can confidently say that... no one uses it that way.
 
I like ways.
 
I'm common.
Is the upvote on this suspicious? (Or especially suspicious, to Jeanne?) Just basically summarizing answers from over 2 years ago.
 
11:06 AM
Sadly, suspicious upvotes aren't suspicious anymore.
 
What does that mean?
 
Buuuuuttt.... that one is, @AdrianMole.
@Dharman It means people will upvote all kinds of crap, so the existence of upvotes on a crap post is not enough to raise suspicions.
 
That was just too quick, though.
 
The account is gone
 
Suspiciously disappeared by a non-pumpkin?
 
11:09 AM
@AdrianMole To answer your question. A single upvote on a post is not suspicious, but if it raises concerns look around. In this case, this was clearly a sock-puppet and the evidence is on the question not the answer.
 
In itself, the question looked OK, to me. Some good answers, too.
 
There's more going on there, but I will leave it to the mods to figure it out. The room is not for this kind of discussions
 
I realize that, now - because of the actions taken on the two accounts.
 
@Dharman If you see more than what's been handled, you should probably raise a flag.
 
@CodyGray No, it looks like you got it. The system has a delay though so it's not showing me the results yet
 
11:18 AM
Oh, that's weird. There shouldn't be much caching or delays on showing you deleted accounts.
 
Dharman's probably using a 1200 baud modem.
 
That explains the severe pixelation of his avatar.
 
11:35 AM
oh I was on the fence between crap question in wrong language or actual r/a
 
@SurajRao Meh. It looked like a garbage dump, with a non-English title, and a fraudulent user account. We don't need that here.
 
ok
 
11:49 AM
@AdrianMole Since it's been handled I can't see it. To me, upvotes are most suspicious when the receiver gets important privileges. As Cody said, "people will upvote all kinds of crap" so a single upvote is not so suspicious, but once the author has then enough reputation to upvote (two upvotes (needn't be the same post) or one acceptance), it's usually worth further investigation in my opinion.
 
@tripleee RO please remove, I could not resist posting an answer /-:
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, due to tripleee's inability to resist temptation
@JeanneDark I thought you felt like every upvote was worth investigation? :-)
 
@CodyGray There are too many ;)
 
Morning
 
Jeanne is still investigating her own 7 upvotes
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12:05 PM
I am sure those answers deserved it. They're the ones that saved her 7 times from the shame of having to ask a question.
 
I was still new to SO and didn't yet know how to behave properly.
 
1:21 PM
@JeanneDark hey, a single upvote is all it takes to provide a new user with removal of new user restrictions, so it can be suspicious enough
 
@TylerH I don't disagree but in case of voting rings, the sock puppet still needs more rep to upvote.
 
@JohnDvorak sense means 'the ability to make a thought or some meaning' so 'common sense' makes a lot of sense to me :-)
@JeanneDark ah I thought we were just talking about all users/votes everywhere, not specifically voting rings
 
@TylerH I couldn't see the suspicious posts they were talking about, so it may not have been about that or at least restricted to it. My post was more from the POV of detecting suspicious behavior and mod flagging it. With a single upvote, that must be a lot harder.
 
I think the claim was that an exceptionally low-quality answer got 2-3 upvotes, and that seemed suspicious.
 
@CodyGray copyright doesn't require enforcement like trademark, though. They probably figure it's not worth it to fight the whack-a-mole game with every new scraping site, considering the resources brought to bear to do something about it (I'd bet many scraper sites are hosted outside the US), especially considering the sites have no SEO or recognition compared to the source SO/SE site.
 
1:27 PM
@CodyGray Sounds like something I would likely flag (after some investigation).
 
I have flagged a question recently that had a score of 24. It looked very suspicious to me.
The point is that unless you see something else, the votes themselves don't mean anything.
 
@TylerH Hmm? A trademark is weaker than a copyright, as far as I understand.
 
But if you are concerned, flag so that mods can take a look at it. If there's nothing wrong then no harm done.
 
Except when those mean mods decline your flag!
 
@CodyGray exactly. A trademark has to be enforced or it's liable to be lost, whereas a copyright (read: a license) doesn't. Its protections are automatic and permanent (for the duration of the copyright, at least)
You were remarking that it seemed surprising the license holder was not interesting in enforcing/defending the license, so I replied that they don't have to enforce/defend said license in order to keep it valid (like they would have to do for their logo or brand name, in contrast)
 
1:32 PM
Oh, sorry. I meant that only as a reply to the claim that they would not have sufficient ground to stake a complaint. They should, as they hold the copyright. I did not mean to imply that they had to do so to risk losing their claim.
 
You may not have been implying that they would lose any rights from the copyright due to lack of interest in enforcing/defending it, but I figure that others may draw that natural conclusion and it would be worth adding to the conversation
When I took my first law class in college there was a lot of confusion over that for some reason, with people thinking if you didn't enforce any kind of IP right, you could lose it
I guess they were used to big companies suing people for six million dollars for sharing one song on Limewire or Bittorrent and thought those acts were necessary
 
Even the companies raising those lawsuits were pretty upfront about intending to make an "example" out of people, not that they were legitimate claims.
 
Yeah, my issue is more with the judges (juries? I can't recall the cases' details) in the case awarding such a hefty fee. Basically guaranteeing a citizen has to bankrupt themselves after losing all they have in order to compensate the license holder, who didn't even create the work, and for whom the lost revenue would literally be not worth their time if stolen via another method, e.g. shoplifted and burned CDs made and sold.
The lost revenue, if everyone who downloaded the songs in most cases would have actually bought the songs otherwise, would've been something like a thousand dollars or basically a rounding error to the record labels bringing the suit
 
Agreed. But I blame the legislators as much or more for this.
 
Well sure, and I always have a few choice words for the librarian of congress, too
At least the current one made some decent changes recently
 
1:41 PM
I dare not ask how you feel about the Postmaster General
 
Some mods give really useful feedback to mod flags!
 
That doesn't sound like us
 
I've learned about secret pages only mods have access to
 
Well, we've had the COMEFROM statement as a corollary to goto, but now we have the #outclude directive. xD
 
@JeanneDark Which ones?
 
1:48 PM
@AdrianMole A COMEFROM statement would actually be super useful as a form of static assertion-checking for GOTOs.
 
@CodyGray Only if you ever use GOTOs.
 
10 PRINT "Hello"
20 GOTO 10
 
I probably suck at C#, but I've found a situation before where it looked like I was only able to use GOTO
 
Hmm. I've only ever used goto in C code to avoid duplicating error-handling code. I can't imagine a case where it would be needed in C#.
And, of course, BASIC before subs were invented. :-)
 
I only use subs in VBA
 
1:54 PM
There are times when using a goto is possibly justified; very high throughput kernel driver code may be one - there's a way of 'corrupting' a switch statement but I can't remember what it's called. Excellent post on SO about it, somewhere ...
 
@AdrianMole Duff's device. Not useful anymore; optimizing compilers don't suck nowadays.
 
@Dharman a user's comment history
 
@CodyGray That's the fella.
 
goto isn't a performance optimization in the past several decades; it's only ever for readability and/or DRY.
 
@CodyGray I think I've used setjmp and longjmp in what seems another life time ago when I was mostly programming in C
 
1:56 PM
The "super" goto :-)
 
@CodyGray Like I said, I probably suck at C# :-) Here's the one I wrote (this is an ASP.NET webform from a couple years ago): i.stack.imgur.com/FYaAT.png I'm fully self-taught in pretty much all languages and haven't ever cracked open a C# or ASP.NET book so I'm probably missing something, but I'm sure it probably involves redesigning the entire function which wasn't the business priority at the time (or ever really, with a lot of the short term, small footprint websites I have to make)
 
Why wouldn't a return have worked?
 
I don't remember if I tried that. I haven't looked at this code in a while
 
I do like the commenting, though. At least attempt to explain for that next guy, maybe keep him from using the machete.
 
IIRC I probably thought "return" meant "return a value" not "go up one level"
 
2:00 PM
Seems like the perfect case for a return. And if it wouldn't have worked, then it would have been a rather easy refactor of some of that logic into a function to allow a return to work.
In this case, it would mean to return a value. Specifically a void. :-)
 
@CodyGray ah, so basically achieving the same thing as a void "break"
 
@TylerH Falling off the end of a void function is actually an implied return; statement.
... you can even put that in, if you want (I generally do).
 
The best way to think of it is that it returns control to the caller. That analogy makes sense for all types of functions.
@AdrianMole Eeeek?
 
Not eeek! I can quickly locate all possibly return paths in my function.
 
Still eeeek
 
2:03 PM
Oh, you mean when you return somewhere other than the end? Yes, that makes sense.
But putting a return; in pro-forma at the end of every function... that doesn't help clarity.
The } means "the end".
You can tell because it "wraps" things up.
 
Maybe I don't like falling off things. Probably a buried childhood memory involving a bicycle.
 
If that's the case, I would think the little curb-stops ({ and }) would be quite bothersome to you.
 
... although I've fallen of bikes plenty of times, way after childhood.
 
2:36 PM
@DavidBuck That one would have roomba'ed I think. It's deleted now, but in general, there's not much point in posting requests for posts that will roomba, unless there's some reason to delete it quickly.
 
2:55 PM
@CodyGray and various languages have differing mechanics for that. Some languages will baulk if there's no return (unless it's a language like pascal that differentiates between a procedure/function), some explicitly return void/null/None etc... and others like ruby will return the last assigned value if there's not an explicit return... and if I recall correctly VB in the old days - you had to assign the name of the function to something to "return" a value
 
@cigien It wouldn't have Roombad (as it said on the del-pls) because at the time I posted the request, it still have 2 upvotes.
 
@DavidBuck Ah, you're right. I didn't see that, my bad.
 
Guys, i'm mad!
again post was deleted
 
🚽
 
i thought under solution
and author deleted
!!!
 
3:02 PM
clearly they no longer need a solution
 
I don't know, but this question lived maybe 1, maybe 2 hours
 
@tripleee Does this Q seem on-topic? It's bash... but it's about $PATH
 
@TylerH Can I say that I hate that font?
@Machavity If C++ has a way to access the environment variables, I don't see how is it bash at all.
 
@Machavity can you look, were there answers or comments? Thanks.
 
@manro 41 minutes. But, as you hadn't actually posted an answer, there's not much we can (or should) do.
... no answer.
 
3:08 PM
@manro Huh?
 
@AdrianMole I tried to make a solution :)
@JeanneDark nobody is mad ;)
 
@Braiam That's a fair point. Does that make it a dupe then?
 
@manro Fine - it happens. But the OP decided they didn't want one, after all. Deleting in such circumstances is within the rules of the site. However, once an answer has been posted, then deleting the question can be flagged.
 
Machavity, one bad guy deleted his question xD
 
3:11 PM
@manro You should read and try to understand the FAQ and follow SOCVR's rules.
 
@Machavity See my and bmike last comment, probably an XY problem. There's little reasons why your app should care about env sanitation.
 
@Machavity Possible duplicate. There are almost certainly many others.
 
Yeesh, the fun with cross-posting there. User had already asked on SO and that one was migrated
 
@AdrianMole Maybe i should post a blank answer xD And an author will be not able to delete )
 
@AdrianMole The thing is that the user doesn't have problems accessing the env variables, they can access them just fine, just that the results are not expected values for PATH (which you shouldn't make assumptions anyways)
 
3:15 PM
@Braiam Yeah. Re-reading looks like it's different from my suggested dupe. Trying to get a environment variable of another process/program.
 
Aaaand @tripleee already weighed in there. So... can ignore pings. Sorry
 
What pings?
 
[feature-request] moderator super-unping
 
Maybe there is time to edit and remove the @, so there is no ping?
 
It's already generated the notices. Hopefully they're back-to-back
 
3:22 PM
@Braiam The... Visual Studio font? Sure, I guess
I don't think they'll change it on your account, though :-P
 
I'm still debating if the function name starts with a 1 or a lowercase L
 
Can i ping moderators in other rooms?
 
If it's 1st or lst
 
@manro Only to request suspension of your account. :)
 
@manro You should not ping anyone unless they have a obvious stake on the issue
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3:24 PM
@Braiam It's lst as in List, because it is Hungarian notation
 
@TylerH lst for me is last... :(
 
@Braiam if my ping is so important?)
 
I agree the serif isn't very clear between 1 and l in that font but it isn't a huge deal since auto-complete will take care of it
@manro if something is important you should flag it, not ping a specific moderator in chat
 
@AdrianMole never xD where is scratte???
 
@manro I'm 99.9999999% sure that is not that important for the person you are pinging.
 
3:26 PM
@manro I'm gonna say this once because Makyen has said it before: do not ping moderators about things that can be handled by flags. You're dangrously close to a chat ban for having ignores what has been previously said
 
@Braiam what object type is "last"?
Hungarian notation has the object type as the first part of the variable name
(or function name)
 
I don't use hungarian notation at all.
 
I read that most people don't
 
I mean, I'm not from Hungary :D
 
heh
i do, for one specific case
because this old project uses it, and I've honored the original code-style all this time
 
3:28 PM
Wait, so I should call my functions functs or fun or something like that?
 
Well, it's a Microsoft-based naming convention, but it was invented by a Hungarian person IIRC
@Braiam I use the element name as the beginning of the function name, so that's why the function starts with lst
 
but we only do it for queries
 
The element's name (technically its ID) is lstEpicSecurityTemplates1
 
qProducts. using it for other things... breaks down
because objects are called structs
which... starts with s
just like strings
 
because Visual Studio auto generates the codebehind for event handlers
based on the ID of the element
 
3:30 PM
If I have a way to name things, I think that is one that describes what it returns, like: last_search_result, or date_of_birth
 
@Braiam Yes, Hungarian notation would be similar, but would start with the type of the thing it is. E.g. ddl_date_of_birth if date of birth is a drop down list. Or if it's a variable, date_date_of_birth. You can see it's not particularly elegant...
 
@M-- I noticed you gave tp here. Am I missing something? (We can discuss this in CHQ, but you're not pingable there, so I pinged here).
 
With readable names, it becomes not useful
 
So, looking for examples on wikipedia, I found this monstrosity a_crszkvc30LastNameCol
 
lol
 
isn't integrating with teams just sticking it within a web view
and maybe hooking to send data to one or other teams apps
 
That's all Teams is in the first place
(Microsoft Teams, that is, not Stack Overflow Teams)
 
(i might be stuck building such an app soon)
 
Also @KevinB I guess I should make some totally unrelated comment about Visual Studio 2008 or something on that meta question
 
nah, totally comment about vscode
 
3:42 PM
well I thought about that first tbh
 
;)
 
the coal to diamond comment didn't make any sense to me either
 
i absolutely hate versioned tags
 
not least of which because coal is not actually involved in the creation of diamond
@KevinB I don't mind them when the versions have significant differences
like when they removed that one feature from SSMS and you had to use VS instead to investigate query performance or whatever it was
really useful to be able to search based on version for that kind of thing
 
3:54 PM
@CodyGray @TylerH SO/SE is a license holder for user content, not the copyright holder. There's nothing in the TOS that makes them everyone's agent. Just being a license holder gives them no standing to make DMCA takedown notices. In order to make a DMCA takedown notice, you have to be either the copyright holder, which they aren't, or "authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed."
So, they can't send DMCA takedown notices for user content.
That doesn't mean SO/SE couldn't have chosen to put in the TOS a statement granting them authorization to act for the copyright holders in the capacity of issuing such takedown notices (and other similar notices in other jurisdictions), particularly when there's bulk scraping of user content (as it's highly unlikely that lots of random users all granted non-CC BY-SA licenses for their content).
 
@Makyen Oh I thought they did have such a clause in the ToS
 
You're confusing it with the ToS clause that says they own your immortal soul
 
:)
 
Oh right, right
 
@TylerH I don't recall seeing anything along those lines. But, to be sure, I'd have to go back and re-re-re-[re-...]read it.
 
4:05 PM
@Makyen So they do exert some control over the content in Terms of Service: "The Network is protected by copyright as a collective work and/or compilation". So if they can show that a 3rd party scraped the site wholesale without providing attribution, they would have a fairly strong case, albeit with little "oomf" at the end because it would be remedied by the 3rd party just adding attribution
But you are right, while they do enumerate quite a few rights you grant to them by posting content here, they don't include "enforcement" and none of the rights are listed as "exclusive".
So they can't legally prevent (or sue) someone else from copying your posted content, individually, while not providing attribution
 
@TylerH If some site scrapes SE's content, not user content, they certainly can send takedown notices.
@TylerH Yes, that's correct. They have no standing to do that.
 
And IIRC from a talk with Shog or someone years ago they never actually tried to do that. They always just nicely reached out and asked
 
@TylerH Which is reasonable. Anyone can ask. :)
 
4:26 PM
Oh, Firefox 94 is out today. Some big new features. Site isolation, manual tab unloading options, some new color theme thing for the GUI, background updates (thank friggin god)
@Makyen it adds support for HTMLScriptElement.supports() as well for feature checks, might be useful for you
 
@TylerH Hmmm... interesting. Thanks.
 
5:02 PM
@Calculuswhiz More like philosophy
 
@TylerH Yeah, makes sense. I guess I saw it as a logic question, which I filed under math in my head.
 
The main thing is that it's off-topic here :-P
 
6:27 PM
Weird, just got a report of a SystemFileWatcher message on some VIPs computer. Never seen that before... but hey it's a welcome distraction from Microsoft Teams issues!
 
When your job is about fixing the issues that come from tools that are supposed to assist you to do your job.
 
That's most of IT frankly
And why I prefer programming to general IT parts of my job
because for programming issues I know I have nearly absolute control over the problem/outcome
for Microsoft Teams and other things its always just "well, sorry, MSFT decided they want it this way"
or "well, sorry, there's a global outage on Office 365 file access right now..." (like there was this morning for a bit)
 
or godaddy webmail goes down, and somehow i'm supposed to "help" them get their email to work
 
@TylerH Unless the compiler decides that "nope"
 
Please let me know if you did not receive this email.
 
@AdrianMole Like asking for attendance via verbal response "anyone not here?"
 
I've actually seen emails similar to that from my University admin department.
 
On emergency situations, that kind of questions are literally a death sentence for the unaccounted
 
yeah they usually occur when on some dangerous field trip outing. "Hey class let's go caving!" "landslide occurs and everyone climbs through the rubble" "anyone not OK?"
 
But this is from the University that decided to allow extra time in exams for students with dyslexia. However, in order to get that time, they needed to register as dyslexic by ... filling in a form.
 
6:56 PM
i mean
 
7:11 PM
hmm
 
7:41 PM
 
posted on November 02, 2021

And… we’re done! All systems are back to normal. Thank you for your patience. (Repeating what was posted as a comment on Sunday at 2pm ET https://stackstatus.net/post/666565626004979712/maintenance-beginning as it wasn’t clear)

 
8:07 PM
 
8:33 PM
Is this a question for SuperUser?
 
I think it is
 
@Turing85 looks like something to ask on SU, yeah - nothing programing-specific. It is only tangentially related to Java
 
@Turing85 No, for Google support
But I suspect OP already knows what part of its code are the ones triggering the issues.
 
8:47 PM
The "Last Seen" change was half-reverted
5
 
@KevinB Heh. I did a few random checks and got Last seen this week. Still looking for Last seen this millennium.
 
Oh nice. I see that the on-topic page was changed. When did this happen?
 
I'll just keep using my current userscript, until they remove the information from the public API altogether
 
@Turing85 10 hours ago
 
🎉
 
8:55 PM
> Last seen more than 2 years ago
 
That's quite non-granular.
 
For curation purposes, it's partially useful, I'll admit it. At least it covers all those use cases where you just need to know if there's any chance at all that someone will respond to some comment or request
 
can we find a "more than n months ago"
 
@KevinB Last seen more than a month ago
 
9:05 PM
Last seen this week? I can see Adrian in the chat right now
 
Right now is this week, isn't it?
 
I'm not certain it helps.
I need to know if someone is available now
If I post a comment I will wait 15 minutes for them to see and then delete
I can't wait one week
 
Uhoh, a pluralization error
> Last seen more than 1 years ago
 
It's not very helpful, agreed. At least it's factually accurate, so it could have been worse :p
 
My profile: last seen this week. Not very accurate. I am here all the time; I have been online constantly for the past 910 days
 
9:10 PM
@Dharman oO srsly? 910 days?
 
Visited 1827 days, 910 consecutive
 
Oh, I see, you mean it's not precise. It is accurate though.
 
@cigien but is it helpful though?
 
i would like to see n months ago
but otherwise, 👍
 
@Turing85 No, not really. I mentioned that above.
 
9:12 PM
n months ago might exist, and just haven't found an example
 
Tbh, I'm not exactly mad SE no longer shows my activity with minute detail to the whole internet. Someone who figures out my name could probably reconstruct half my schedule by scraping that...
 
for anyone who's active on the site, the same can be done from the activity tab
just... with less granularity i guess, depending on the kinds of activities you partake in
 
Chat shows when you wake up and go to sleep
 
yeah, chat gives a graph
 
@KevinB A lot of the mod actions don't show there, at least.
 
9:16 PM
Joke's on them. I'm not even awake right now.
4
 
If a tree moderates and it doesn't show up in the activity tab, does it make a sound?
 
@Dharman Fair, that also has a last seen ofc. Guess that's an oversight
 
thing is... that info in chat can be... quite useful for some RO purposes
 
@Dharman okay now we know: 909 consecutive days is the limit. After that, thoughts get weird.
 
like if we ever decided to clear out inactive RO's in JS chat
it's easy to say i haven't seen X in a while, but they may be around when i'm not
 
9:20 PM
@KevinB For that, you wouldn't need seconds precision, right?
 
correct
just recent messages, effectively
 
Yeah, that's fine as it's public anyway, same as activity that shows up in the activity tab.
 
10:01 PM
Is any one of these two answers worth keeping? stackoverflow.com/a/67582984/1839439
 
@Turing85 No revision history
 
I voted to delete both
 
@Braiam There is, but I think it's mod only.
 
@BaummitAugen I got my own thanks to the internet archive :)
Only a section about homework questions.
Which I find totally unnecessary, either the question is good on its own or it isn't.
 
10:18 PM
Can someone help me edit this question and answer? stackoverflow.com/a/69817480/1839439
What is the actual question?
 
@Dharman I think they're asking if there is an automatic retry mechanism when doing an HTTP request that fails, and the answer is no.
 
@Dharman For me, the question in unclear. I think it should be close-voted.
 
I edited the last sentence, but if it's unclear feel free to make cv-pls
 
^ 3/3 answers plugging their own work.
 
11:05 PM
TIL: In Java, calling notify[All]() in a synchronized method or block does not release the intrinsic lock.
 
11:36 PM
 
@Makyen Yes, I believe "license holder" is what I said. How did they manage to do this previously, if they have no standing to do so?
@TylerH Background updates, as in the browser doesn't need to restart to update? Or what actually happens in the "background"?
 
11:56 PM
@CodyGray Yes, you did, but how you said it made it unclear if you felt that being a license holder gave them the ability to do anything with respect to other entities using the content. What @TylerH said later was "They always just nicely reached out and asked".
 
Well, it's quite a shame they don't have anyone anymore who is either nice enough or willing enough to reach out and ask.
 

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