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12:35 AM
@CodyGray Yes, yes, it is. It doesn't seem like it would be all that hard to have a boilerplate which is easily adjusted to whatever site is found to be scraping.
 
12:51 AM
@CodyGray Probably on behalf of the content owner. Remember, we can copy our content elsewhere under other license that would allow others to use them. So SE needs to demonstrate that it was their license that is being abused. Probably someone managed to say that it copied from the author with another license on another case and legal decided to take the cautious approach.
 
@Braiam No. It's not SE's license which is being abused. SE has their own CC BY-SA license for the content and can do as they want within that license. Anyone else has their own license for that content and must comply with it. The only entity which can abuse SE's license of user supplied content is SE. Anyone else gets a separate license for their own use of the content.
Having a license for the content doesn't give them any rights to control what other people do with the content. It only imposes requirements on what SE can do with it, and that a new license is created for each individual who gets a copy. Only the copyright holder, or the copyright holder's agent, can file a DMCA takedown notice. SE is neither the copyright holder or the agent for any of the user supplied content. Thus, they can't make a valid DMCA takedown notice for that content.
@Makyen The fact that each separate license uses the same text doesn't mean there is a separate license for each entity which obtains a copy.
 
Straw poll: is the tag useful?
@KenWhite OP seems to have changed their mind in the comments and deleted whichever comment you were previously referring to
 
@RyanM I'd vote in your poll, but to do so, I must remain,.... anonymous :D
 
1:38 AM
@RyanM :sigh:
 
1:56 AM
 
3:17 AM
@HenryEcker ^^ the English reads like an advertisement. I'm not sure if the Korean does as well.
 
 
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5:23 AM
@SurajRao clearly we should just close every question as a dupe of that.
 
I am wondering what that php code is doing there
 
Maybe it's for their webapp that they want to make an Android app out of? Really not sure.
 
5:46 AM
@Machavity dutifully ignoring (-:
 
 
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7:48 AM
And another floater that I see coming up again and again. I think it should just be deleted, it's OT in both being a request for tools and "general compute" to boot ... sigh... but some will claim it has "historical relevance" or "merit" because of the many views?
 
Yes?
I don't see a single reason why that needs to be deleted?
 
Heh ... I still have the impression that highly ranked OT posts attract new OT questions when the pop up in Google searches - that's all.
Why else do first time posters keep popping up w/ questions that are undesirable?
 
8:06 AM
@tink Cluelessness? Failure to read the Help Center? Their desire to have an answer outweighs any good sense?
 
Heh ... sure, but somehow they must stumble upon Stack Overflow while googling (binging?) for something that doesn't fit ...
 
I am not so sure about that.
You think people show up asking off-topic questions because they find us via search? If that were the case, why do so many people show up asking duplicate questions??
My belief is that these people do not search first.
 
Any experts around? I met this answer in the LQ queue. At first glance it seems "fine", but then I saw this deleted answer and the comments under it. I Can't confirm that as I don't know C++, so can anyone confirm?
 
@Tomerikoo This answer is not C++. There's no IntersectsWith function provided by the language or the standard libraries, nor is there any Rect[angle] class. I suspect that is probably C#/.NET?
 
@CodyGray No clue... I just saw the comment on that deleted answer saying to post the include when using external libraries and couldn't confirm. Thanks for confirming and deleting :)
 
8:21 AM
@CodyGray 384k views on that floater mentioned above suggest that people do search. Maybe they just stop at the first search result and jump from there. "I see similar question with 200+ upvotes, so I can ask mine which is different but the same topic". Or, they may not realise that search result answers their question already and (mistakenly) think that their case is sufficiently different. Or, they want a more up-to-date discussion, "In 2021, what's the best WinSCP equivalent for Linux?"
 
@Tomerikoo Ah, yeah. Didn't even get around to looking at the linked deleted answer. I could tell immediately the first answer wasn't an answer. And, yes, as I suspected, that deleted answer is .NET.
 
Silly me... Even the link in the deleted answer links to C#/.NET docs... /facepalm/
 
@gnat So... should we make the "closed" banner a darker blue? :-)
I agree with you that the views show that some people search. Obviously that is true. But I just don't know how much overlap there is between the people who search, and the people who ask off-topic or otherwise unsuitable questions.
 
@CodyGray Not sure if you saw my flag on this one you deleted, anyway - is there a way for mods to "migrate" answers? That is move an answer to another question and keep it attributed to same author
 
@Tomerikoo I did see your flag, yes. And, no, we cannot migrate individual answers. We can only migrate all of the answers, after closing the question as a duplicate. If that answer had been posted more recently, I'd have left a comment suggesting the poster post it over on the other question you suggested in the flag, but given how long it's been... I don't have high hopes of that getting seen or done.
The other question has already been answered, and so I'm not convinced that we're really losing all that much.
 
8:29 AM
Surely not, it was not such a good answer anyway. Just made me wonder for the general case. Thanks
 
No problem. No, we can't selectively migrate. Re-posting the answer with attribution as a community wiki would be a completely reasonable step, if you thought it was worth saving.
 
@CodyGray we need historical lock with pink background. That is, for popular off-topic questions. As for on-topic duplicates, hard to tell. I feel skeptical that things can be much improved over what we have now, with dupehammer, 3CV, and that tempting prompt displayed to the asker after their question is dupe voted
 
@CodyGray No, we should make the close banner actually say why it's closed, and not just "This question does not meet Stack Overflow guidelines. It is not currently accepting answers."
 
@RyanM Ugh, really?
 
Yep! The informative text is only shown to the OP and people with the close-vote privilege. It's mind-boggling.
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8:35 AM
@RyanM Wow, yeah. That... seems like simply a bug, where they inadvertently hid more than they intended to hide when hiding the names of the close-voters. But, I assume this has been reported and either declined or ignored?
 
Declined: there are legitimate reasons to show close reasons for the public view. However, we are not going to do so at this time. The vast majority of users who will view these (without privileges to reopen) are not going to be acting on it. And we have plans to change the close workflow very soon in ways that will hopefully be more effective in achieving our objectives than this change will. We will be concentrating our efforts there. — Yaakov Ellis ♦ Nov 5 '19 at 12:13
 
I suppose he means redesigning the review queues.
 
But this "there are legitimate reasons ... However, we are not going to do so" is just so, so common.
@RyanM Already have an upvote sitting there. Isn't the mind a wonderful thing? I'd completely forgotten that idiocy.
 
@CodyGray which of course did nothing whatsoever to address this
 
8:40 AM
The only point made that is even somewhat reasonable is that there's little need to show the details of the close reasons to anonymous users, who won't be doing anything about them or changing their behavior in response to them anyway.
But it's not like showing them produces such lengthy text that it would be problematic, either.
I know we just finished a moderator election. Remind me again when the developer elections are?
 
@CodyGray People do search and that's likely how they stumble across SO in the first place. But they are lazy and since they get help with their programming problems and don't want to gather more info, SO is just their go-to-place for any problem. It also works because of the gamification. You'll always find someone willing to answer a math or general computing question or link to a tutorial or do your whole homework for you etc.
 
10:03 AM
Haven't seen the pink elephant around here in a while! Gotta nit-pick that I don't think that's a tool recommendation... They aren't asking for an off-site resource, but rather for an algorithm. @Adriaan
 
@CodyGray Hiya o/ Been busy for the last months. Hopefully am back now. Fair point about that question, although I could argument that "looking for an algorithm" in MATLAB usually means "which toolbox should I install"
 
10:49 AM
@CodyGray When you see little need, I see unnecessary complexity. Why not show everyone the same information anyways, since it's easier to code for? They instead prefer 3 views for a supposed gain that some users may not act on some kind of feedback?
I really don't like separated views about guidance. It can undermine whatever argument we say elsewhere because we don't know what the system is telling the user.
 
Yeah, I agree. There is a specific reason to avoid showing the names of individual close-voters to users who don't understand how our content moderation systems work, and that's helped a lot to avoid abusive behavior directed at those people. But there is absolutely no reason to hide the information about why the post was closed.
 
Note, that the close voters I would still be happy if they weren't prominently featured in big letters, but still shown on the question page.
 
@Braiam Agreed. See also the conflicting advice on whether to re-ask or edit closed questions.
 
I think showing the names of the close voters in the timeline is an excellent compromise.
But I guess I'm biased, because this change was something I pushed hard for.
 
Still, is two views when you could have 1 ;)
 
10:53 AM
I just never intended for them to also change the names of all the close reasons, or hide the close reasons themselves.
 
I also like the way they handled hiding the close voters, as that information isn't guidance.
 
Well, yeah, but the point is to avoid users who aren't familiar with how the site works seeing the names. So, in that case, 2 clicks is by design
 
Hide all the things! :D
 
@Braiam Except the top bar. Hiding the top bar is verboten.
 
I'm just talking about the minimum effort to achieve our goals. De-emphasizing close voters names as first step would be the low cost solution. Then, if that doesn't work, we can hide them to the post owner.
 
10:56 AM
They weren't particularly emphasized before.
 
stackoverflow.com/a/69823637/4826457 is this NAA? or rhetorical question as answer?
 
What we figured out is that people see their question being closed as a personal attack, so they go looking for people to blame. When people to blame are literally named right there in the dialog box, regardless of how emphasized they were, it creates problems.
 
Errr, are you sure? They were in big bold letters "this guys closed your question" and then in smaller one "because is off topic"
 
@SurajRao I would give that the benefit of the doubt and say it's a rhetorical question as an answer. But that's just me as a mod, with no subject-matter expertise.
 
@SurajRao not an SME either, but I would agree with Cody
 
11:00 AM
ok thanks.
 
11:45 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (That doesn't need an MCVE; it isn't a debugging question. They're asking for help on using the Visual Studio debugger in conjunction with the output files generated by the compiler. Probably requires a bit of subject-matter expertise to see why it's reasonable as-is.)
 
ah ok.. Is the NATO answer there NAA(link only)?
 
@SurajRao Ah, yeah, that's... not great. I didn't immediately notice it, because there's a bit more text than just the link, but not as much as I'd like.
That's the type of borderline case where it's probably sensible to post a comment.
 
OP seems to have a number of answers with links to their own tool/blog.. Probably worth a mod flag.
 
Good catch, agreed.
 
12:23 PM
I recall from some conversation from here that Could you please try this xxxx are not answers. Can someone confirm or infirm this info, please?
 
@Vega Edit it to say, "try this"
 
Rhetorical questions can be answers. "Could you please" is just a suggestion of what to try. Suggestions of what to try are also answers.
 
@Vega My standard has always been "Does this answer suggest a course of action to solve the question?" It cuts through a lot of the edge cases
 
Thank you all. I will recall that instead :)
 
@Vega A message an anonymous moderator once sent me: declined - Rhetorical questions must not be flagged. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/131959. Edit them and make them an answer, instead.
 
12:27 PM
Ooh, I know who that is! It's always fun to play "guess the mod".
 
Actually, I suppose the moderator wasn't anonymous but the message was sent anonymously.
 
@CodyGray That makes one less to guess
 
Oh, it's obviously not me. You can tell that from the grammatical construction.
Perhaps also the lack of snarkiness? Although I do have canned, non-snarky decline reasons, much to everyone's collective surprise and chagrin, I'm sure.
 
I... don't like snarkiness.
:[
 
What?!
 
You're on thin ice.
Do you at least like puns?
 
Baby snark doot doo doo doo doo doot doo doo
 
Pines are fun.
 
Nice
Pines are important.
 
12:32 PM
Yes. I like pesto, so pines are good for their nuts.
 
Are you pining for pines now?
 
All my life has been influenced by pines.
 
I pine so much it drives me nuts.
 
It's pineful to read this conversation
 
@JeanneDark One could opine all day on that.
 
12:38 PM
You wood not believe it, but I am stumped.
 
@Dharman Is it an attempt to answer?
 
I don't know
@Vega Do you think you can salvage it?
 
Certainly not :) Just trying to understand
 
If it's a poplar post, you might see if you wood be able to spruce it up and get at the root of the problem, and then branch off from there. If not, you can just shrub and leaf it, no twigs attached.
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They edited/vandalized the deleted answer, too
 
12:45 PM
@CodyGray That might be too knotty for this room...
 
@Machavity I was going out on a limb. I'm sorry if my conduct is galling, or if the sappy tree puns seem over-elming. If the room owners conifer and decide that they're sycamore, then I will lumber off.
 
@CodyGray Rene might not pine over the rules this once. Maybe we can conifer some exception, but I wouldn't needle it anymore.
 
Huh! Where's Baum when he's most needled!
 
On that note, maybe we should make like a tree, and... get outta here
 
1:18 PM
^ opinion based I think...
 
Not a very useful question. 3k views in 12 years
 
Is there a (common) language in which "tree" is "trie"? Just that I see it so many times in questions here. Even in code from a book.
 
That was a TIL for me
 
Same here - what kind of programmer would create that name? (Maybe the same one who created Perl?)
 
It's common in regex for optimisation as well.
 
1:24 PM
PERL was invented by cats. Just walk across the keyboard...
 
lol, I think PERL is the only language I have actually forgotten how to use
 
Comes from 'retrieval'. Weird way to come up with an acronym
 
Hmm. But Stack's spell-checker doesn't know the word. (It does know lots of other computer-specialized stuff, and will correct "Javascript" to "JavaScript", though.)
Or is that my own PC's spell-checker?
 
I don't think SO has a spell-checker. Your browser almost certainly does, tho
 
Be back in a week or two - off to undo all those edits I made where I 'corrected' trie to tree. ...
 
1:29 PM
haha
 
believe it or not, Perl was created by a linguist (who likes cats IIRC)
 
@AdrianMole I don't think it's that many data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1506694
 
Surprising
 
@Dharman Well, in some of those (anything with MFC or HTREEITEM in the post), the correction was almost certainly correct.
 
1:43 PM
Can I use this room to ask people to review stuff like suggested edits?
 
@cigien Nice dupe find
 
@MrMythical Yes, if there's a good reason for it. Otherwise let the queue handle it
 
@MrMythical Depends. If you want us to review an edit in the queue, that's fine. if you want us to approve an edit you made, not as much
 
Is the edit on this post a good reason? It changes the code and not even well
 
@Machavity np. I was just about to post a cv-pls, but if you agree ... :)
 
1:44 PM
@MrMythical yes, but what makes you think the queue would not be able to handle it properly?
 
@Dharman Yeah, algorithm questions are on-topic I believe.
 
@Dharman well same reason for close votes... I just want it done more quickly
 
@KevinB thank skeet
although I agree with Makoto it's still largely useless for the most legitimate use case: determining whether someone has been active since you last engaged w/ them in comments
 
Generally, I only post a tag:review-pls request for suggested edits where there's a real risk of the wrong outcome. For example, if I've rejected an obviously bad edit but notice that a previous reviewer approved it. Also, sometimes for spam and vandalism.
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I also am highly skeptical of the "potential vector for abuse".
 
1:50 PM
I think it's ok to speed it up with the help of this room if for example you want to make another edit and you accidently approved/rejected yourself.
 
especially if it came from a Trust & Safety team discussion w/ a team that... didn't exist until a week ago.
 
I wouldn't make a habit of it though as the queue generally handles it well and quickly
 
@CodyGray Well I haven't investigated the code itself but the explanation on their what's new page says "On Windows, there will now be fewer interruptions because Firefox won’t prompt you for updates. Instead, a background agent will download and install updates even if Firefox is closed."
 
2:08 PM
@CodyGray Apparently it was added in 90 and just repeated in 94 release notes. Not sure why. Here's an article on how it works/how to disable it/what is required to work: support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/…
 
@TylerH Isn't that like super old? The only prompt that I've found is that Firefox upgraded in background and couldn't assure consistency so when you opened a new tab that spawned a process, it asked you for a restart.
 
@Braiam well however old v90 is
so July?
or so
 
The wiki describing the plan is last edited 2011 wiki.mozilla.org/Background_Updates
The upgrade service existed since at least 10 years ago bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719947
 
The "update service" is separate from the "background service"
So it seems mods lost granularity with this "last seen" half-fix
According to Aaron's comment reply to me just now, "mods see what I see on my profile"
 
Ehhh? Windows have any distinction about that? AFAIK, services don't even have access to the graphical shell which is why services needs a helper application to communicate with it.
So, any service is background by default.
 
2:20 PM
@Braiam I don't know what to tell you. If you think the Mozilla developers are wrong when they say they've introduced some feature in a specific version, you should take it up with them; I can only tell you what they publish in their announcements/blog posts.
Since I am not a contributor to the Firefox codebase beyond the occasional bug report.
Firefox has had an update service for many years now. Like any evergreen browser, it can update from within the browser without you having to manually go find a new version and install that manually
However, you've always been prompted in the application to upgrade
Even beyond version 90 (I still see it on version 93 which I use on my personal devices)
Now, it appears they have introduced a separate automatic background service to update Firefox silently, without prompting you
It may fully replace the old upgrade process (read: service) that you're familiar with as part of its functionality... I don't know those details.
 
@TylerH Nah, is just a misunderstanding.
When firefox upgraded in the background, you had a prompt the next time you opened firefox.
The release is saying that that specific prompt is going away, since the background process is taking care of that too.
This prompt is the one they are talking about bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=590569
For example, in linux that prompt didn't exist, but a tab page saying "hey, we upgraded and kinda need to restart".
 
Aaron Shekey has marked the request about "Last Seen" and "Member Since" as
not sure it warrants that tag, as I, like presumably many others, was hoping for the metrics to come back as they used to be, instead of in a surrogate form
 
surrogate?
 
however I guess this is the best we can get
 
2:35 PM
@SurajRao Derived
 
wrong term, huh? let me look it up from my native language
 
I knew blackgreen was a duo-lingual user
 
makeshift?
partial form?
 
Derived is ok
 
Degranulized? Degranulated?
 
2:37 PM
there is no
 
heh, now that would have been accurate
 
maybe [status-sorta-completed]
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@Braiam my stack exchange profile gave me away, didn't it? but actually neither English nor Chinese are my primary language :)
(or the usage of "surrogate")
 
I think "watered-down form" would be close enough.
 
2:41 PM
@blackgreen Kevin B did mention that 16 hours ago (it's starred on the starboard to the right of chat :-)), FWIW
 
@blackgreen Nah, duo lingual individual tend to have a richer, varied vocabulary.
 
@Braiam Well that seems specific to the Nightly build. I have never used Nightly and thus have never seen that window or update process
It would make sense for the beta versions of Firefox to have slightly different mechanisms for upgrade
 
since they must remain up-to-date or they aren't... well.. what they say they are anymore
 
@TylerH ah ok, I don't have it on my starboard (or maybe I'm looking in the wrong place)
I had just seen the edit post notification in my inbox
 
2:45 PM
@TylerH Nope, that is not specific to nightly build. That rode the trains years ago bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719947
Firefox 13 is the time that specific dialog with the indeterminate progress bar landed.
I'm still in awe that people haven't seen that. I saw it several times on my last employer.
 
Well, 'beta' includes more than just nightly
@blackgreen it's currently at the bottom of the list for me, #8
What's the code for doing a strike through in a comment? is it --- or <str> or <strike> or just <strikethrough>?
 
I don't install beta software at my employers
@TylerH ~~~?~~~ ~~strike~~
strike ---strike---
I think that is status not supported
 
wut
 
🚽
^ That does actually have a strike-through!
 
I'll try copying it as well from here. and testing it
Nope, no joy
I could've sworn I had seen it in comments before
 
3:04 PM
the delete button works
 
3:29 PM
@KevinB eh? for retracting delete votes?
 
3:50 PM
So, intel has been assimilated stackoverflow.blog/2021/11/03/…
Are star trek references still cool?
 
@Braiam they always are!
Resistance is futile :D
 
Stack Exchange has switched to a tenant-ownership system, so resistance is now feudal
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4:08 PM
@Machavity groan
 
@TylerH The message I'm replying to does show with strikeout for me. Are you saying it doesn't for you?
IIRC, this should be struck-out, which is ---this should be struck-out---.
Yep, that's struck-out for me.
 
i think they were referring to comments
not chat
 
Ahhh... I, obviously :), missed that.
 
me too, initiallly, :p
 
OK, now I see the "comment" I missed. :)
Obviously, I should be taking a bit more time reading. :;
 
4:45 PM
:-)
 
@TylerH Would this work for you?
 
That comment is just asking for an NLN flag. :)
 
That resorts to using Unicode, which I generated using this tool. It's, clearly, not as good as putting it in an <s> using Markdown.
@AdrianMole You're right. I moved it somewhere more appropriate.
 
hehe
 
5:05 PM
Anyone else getting 503? developers.google.com
Interesting, there's a django language on devs.google.com
 
user17161735
5:30 PM
hello to all, i have a question exist any list of chat channel to relax ... ??? or provide a tool for SE to test ??
 
@Makyen Ooh nice
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent Plenty of channels exists for testing. If you need help testing, maybe try over in SOBotics
 
user17161735
@Machavity ok but it is a tool for chrome extension no for SE directly; sorry XD
 
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent Maybe make your own channel for that then? I'm not sure someone would let you co-opt their room for testing
 
user17161735
ok thank u And how can I create my own channel and invite people without it being considered spam ... or that it goes against the policies?
 
5:40 PM
@Arcanis-TheOmnipotent Don't randomly invite folks. I would ask once if people would help you test and leave it at that. This room isn't really for that, tho
 
6:10 PM
 
A quick clean-up before rene comes ;)
 
I know nuh-zing. nuh-zing
 
@Vega You could reject & edit ("vaiable")
 
6:25 PM
I haven't seen that while reviewing
On the other hand, the question is "no repro", I wonder if it worth to edit the answer for the small typo?
 
6:49 PM
@JeanneDark I'll have a word with the diamonds ...
 
@Turing85 it will roomba and deleting it robs the OP of the chance to translate it -- what's the hurry?
 
@Turing85 del-pls requests are not permitted unless the post can be immediately delete-voted or delete voted with at most needing a single downvote. This question does not currently qualify. Please see FAQ #11.
 
@Makyen yeah, I just noticed.
@tripleee well... I think I should use the reminder-feature more.
 
8:49 PM
Can i give a link to the post where is "Suggested edit queue is full"?
 
what purpose would doing that serve
 
I wanted to correct by myself, but i can't because of "Suggested edit queue is full"
 
No, you cannot post those here.
As our rules state on the FAQ page of socvr.org, you cannot make requests where you are "involved". Being the author of a suggested edit makes you "involved" in that suggested it.
 
But i haven't yet involved ;))))
but i understand
 
9:31 PM
 
9:48 PM
@Makyen can you delete this message of mine? OP clarified their question, I retracted my vote.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, upon request
 
@CodyGray thx :)
 
Sorry I'm not Makyen :-)
 
let Makyen = CodyGray; - problem solved :)
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btw... there is no @roomOwners or similar, is there?
 
Correct
If you want to bother us you have to do so openly
:-)
 
9:51 PM
how would @roomOwners not be openly? ^^
 
If you want to ping everyone, it has to be as painful for you to type in all of their names as it will be for them to receive the pings.
 
i wouldn't be against such a feature existing, if it was treated like partial @'s
 
@Turing85 Oof, and it's not even a constant, so it can be reassigned later.
 
aaaaah the good, old zulip hack... "Hey @all! ..." :P
 
@CodyGray But only can replace it with another of the same type.
 
9:53 PM
It wouldn't be difficult to add a bot that would support @roomowners and/or whois roomowners, but I'm not sure that would really add a lot of value.
Speaking of bots... hiya Smokey!
 
@CodyGray a little icon on the avatars on the right would suffice.
 
@Turing85 you would be able to annoy all room owners without revealing which one you are really trying to annoy
 
@TylerH yeah... I am thinking too idealistically.
 
@Turing85 The names are italic. Isn't that enough? You want the avatars to be italic, too? Tyler's already is...
 
🚽
 
9:58 PM
@CodyGray My "standard workflow" is to look at the room owner list under room info and figure out who was the last one active. In the avatar overview, I can normally see who's online right now. I hate it if I have to ping one of you and another one "takes care! of the request.
 
my rule of thumb is if the avatar is up there, it's likely they'll see the notification within a short window. fair to ping
 
@CodyGray Yes, my backtick of a face...
 
@Turing85 Especially if it happens in < 5 minutes, so you can't go back and ninja-edit your ping.
 
@TylerH it's more like an シ
 
@Turing85 If it's after 6PM on the East Coast, it will probably be Makyen or Machavity who will handle it :-)
 
10:01 PM
if you ping someone, and then edit the ping to target someone else, does it remove the original ping
 
If it's someone doing something kick-worthy, rene will appear, regardless of the hour
 
@TylerH east coast... that's UTC-6, right?
 
-6 is central
 
sigh
 
well, depending on cst vs cdt
 
10:02 PM
@Turing85 Currently UTC-4, but in a month it will be UTC-5, whenever Daylight Saving Time ends
then we "fall back" an hour
 
oh yeah... don't get me started. We already switched last week...
... can't we all just speak UTC?
 
we switch in 4 days
 
I say "month", I don't know when the switch is
but I think it is November
 
Yeah, I'm not looking forward to that switch. It just means it'll be getting dark even earlier. :-(
 
oh, well there you go. If Kevin is to be believed (I know, I know), it's very soon
@CodyGray Yeah, I'd prefer to stay on DST permanently
 
10:03 PM
Would you believe it's already November?
 
i mean, some states are weird and set their own rules
 
@CodyGray oh jeez
 
so even if i'm right for my state, i may not be for yours
 
oh my god. What have I done?
 
@KevinB there are like 20 states that are in multiple time zones, too
 
10:04 PM
some that don't do daylight savings
 
even without getting into the states or towns that don't observe DST
 
isn't there even an area that's like... half between?
so they're like utc -5:30
 
China has those, I don't think the US has any anywhere
wait no, China is all one time
I think
 
Doesn't china have a single time zone?
 
yeah none in the us
 
10:05 PM
Yeah, it's India that has half-UTC offsets. Maybe a few other places, too, but definitely not in the US.
It blew my mind when I first heard about it. I thought they were always whole-hour offsets.
 
Could they be any less useful
 
@TylerH Nov 7th at 2am DST ends
 
Yes? They could be not looking into it.
 
so there's both 30 min off-sets and 45min off-sets
 
10:06 PM
OK, fair enough
 
"We've gotten reports of bugs in our system, but we've decided not to do anything about it."
 
 
Since I read changelogs on my desktop, I see every time a country mess up with time zones: tzdata. Last change was: Fiji suspends DST for the 2021/2022 season.
 
so, the new profile. Why, would it show "Newest Answers" and not "Newest Questions", when the most recent activity of the user is a question?
 
10:12 PM
@KevinB same reason anything else is the case
I think you have an emoji for it
 
It even goes so far as showing "top network posts", over showing questions for the current network
 
Ah yes, found it: 🚽
 
i wish i could choose to remove top network posts from my profile
 
Maybe next weekend I will have some time to work on a user script that fixes the profile
 
You know how... about 3-4 years ago, all the big name sites moved to what was effectively a "mobile experience" for all devices?
it feels like that's what SO is doing
even though the mobile experience is... quite awful outside of mobile
 
10:18 PM
@KevinB Because you have "Answers" selected?
 
i do
 
@miken32 Can you explain why configuring a debugger (which is something that programmers do) would be considered "general computing"?
@TylerH What does Jon have to do with this? Did he argue strongly for it? Or did he just write the code for them to make it work?
@TylerH Ah, yeah... I think that's been there for a while. And it isn't really all that exciting. I don't need another service running on my computer to update Firefox when Firefox isn't even running. All it's doing is downloading updates in the background. It can't actually install them in the background.
In other news, I just saw the new "Colorways" in the latest Firefox, which is actually pretty cool. I like color tints, but "Themes" usually change too much and make things too non-standard for my liking. I cannot understand why they plan on "Colorways" being for a limited time only, sticking around for 2 releases.
@JeanneDark Would you believe that's a duplicate?
 
10:33 PM
@CodyGray you're right, I was focusing on the hardware aspect and its attracting low-quality answers, but a debugger is certainly a programming tool. Feel free to remove the request.
 
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