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12:40 AM
@HenryEcker That will roomba in 10 days, and there doesn't seem to be any particular reason to rush the deletion.
 
@cigien You're right. Thank you @cigien I wasn't thinking about that.
 
12:54 AM
No worries. I voted to delete anyway. In general, it's better to avoid del-pls requests for posts that will roomba anyway, unless there's some reason to get rid of it fast, since there are at least some members in the room who run out of delete votes.
 
@cigien understood. I will modify my future requests accordingly. Thanks again. :)
 
np
 
 
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3:08 AM
Is this an attempt to answer the question? VLQ? stackoverflow.com/a/69610296/15497888
 
3:30 AM
Looks like they're asking, not answering
 
3:46 AM
Someone with 10k tools, what is the total number of closed posts on SO for the last 30 days?
 
@AlonEitan thank you, I appreciate it.
 
4:31 AM
#RO can you please delete this cv-pls? OP added MCVE
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
Thanks :)
 
np
@HenryEcker Yes. Done.
 
4:57 AM
@Makyen Thank you
 
np
 
 
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8:06 AM
@AlonEitan yyyes, my question was reopened. people believe me ;)
oops
i wanted to write to bad_coder
@bad_coder sorry to alonEitan(
 
@manro You can edit or delete your chat message within 2 min of posting
 
Should this question be protected? It's somehow got 41 answers (most of them code only with no explanation) and I kind of don't think it needs any more
 
@JeanneDark Thx, now i will know!
 
8:20 AM
@DavidW Wow that's.... astounding. It's funny because the output presented in the question is not even the actual output of the code, and the real problem of the current code is basically a duplicate of this one
 
@Tomerikoo I think the core question is probably taken from HackerRank, thus a lot of people end up searching for it and then posting their solution. I don't think I have the patience to read the code and work out what it's a duplicate of
But I was thinking that protecting it would at least stop most of the new answers (but wasn't sure if that was an appropriate use of "protect")
I decided to protect it anyway (someone else can always undo it). And if someone can find a good reason to close it then that's fine too
 
I guess we can just close it to prevent more low-quality answers from pouring in... There is only one vote missing now...
 
I think my conclusion from "help me understand the cutoff..." is that it's on the absolute borderline - there's a stream of low-quality answers but probably not very low quality answers. I doubt that I'll recieve an angry message from a moderator about absusing "protect" though :)
 
8:39 AM
I'm not asking for delete votes, just for guidance. Would it be wrong to vote to delete this answer? stackoverflow.com/a/22899155/1839439
I believe the author would delete it themselves if they could. They posted a comment asking for new answers
 
Given the author is still active is it worth asking them explicitly if they'd like it deleted?
 
Why do you think the answer should be deleted? It's an answer to the question. The score and the comments show it's wrong and while it's accepted, it has now been unpinned and is at the bottom.
 
I can't fulfill their wish even if they say yes
@JeanneDark It doesn't have to be deleted but it has no value so keeping it means that it will only keep on accumulating more downvotes
 
I agree with Jeanne. Maybe if it would be stuck at the top as before, the reaction would be different. But right now it is barely visible anyway
 
@Dharman It does have value. Not as much as a correct answer, but still. If I was in the same situation, looking for a solution, I would see that this was not a good option. And being accepted (ie. OP considered it) maybe several people think that something like that could or should be attempted. So knowing it shouldn't is valuable to some extent.
 
8:52 AM
Ok, then I won't vote to delete
 
9:33 AM
How is this accepted? And how did it get an upvote? Is this what Dear Dharman would call a 'suspicious voting pattern'?
 
It is pretty suspicious that it was accepted 30 seconds after posting...
 
I would flag it (and the other answer) as NAA, I think.
 
@AdrianMole That looks suspicious to me, and I would flag it for moderator review
 
@AdrianMole You need 15 reputation to upvote, so when you accept an answer, the answerer can upvote your posts so you get enough rep to upvote yourself etc.
 
@AdrianMole maybe they are friends?
 
9:46 AM
I would say it's enough for a custom flag and an investigation. I doubt the flag, if it contains all details you can gather, would be declined.
 
@JeanneDark I can find no other indications of interaction between the accounts.
 
@AdrianMole Enough to establish that they likely gave each other enough rep to upvote and then actually used the privilege. They may both be somebody else's sockpuppets (but I don't see a suspect either). Still worth investigating, especially considering the very low quality of the accepted answer.
 
Meh. 2½ and 3½ year old accounts with no other obvious dodgy votes. Probably just a moment of madness.
 
10:27 AM
@AdrianMole There is no evidence of any voting fraud. The easiest course of action is to flag both as NAA and leave the matter be. If you want to be thorough you can ask moderators to look into this, but I doubt it's necessary.
 
11:22 AM
Smokey is vaguely unwell, not sure where the problem is
 
@tripleee have you tried turning it off and on again?
 
Smokey does that by itself but that seems to be part of the problem here
vaguely looking like it is having trouble communicating with metasmoke, but that might of course be just a symptom
 
Might be an issue with smoke signals.
 
11:56 AM
Morning
 
12:29 PM
Does this question asking for a user's password seems suspiciously like an exploit?
 
@bad_coder Sounds painful to use. Dictating the password #S4wm*cB%%S{2yAn is not something I'd want to do, in order to send an email.
 
@VLAZ lol hadn't thought about actually spelling out a password.
 
Note: I generated the password at passwordsgenerator.net and it has a way to help you remember the password: # SKYPE 4 walmart music * coffee BESTBUY % % SKYPE { 2 yelp APPLE nut
At any rate, it might be an exploit. Not sure if it matters for SO, however, I'm pretty sure that if an app connects to Gmail, you have to authorise it. That's what Thunderbird does, you don't supply it with UN/PW, you get a login form from Google where you have to enter your credentials. Then the app gets a key to use. You can revoke that from your Google settings (somewhere).
I'm also not sure how successful an app would be by trying to use UN/PW to log in. I think your account settings would affect that but normally you'd get a 2FA prompt on your phone. At least I do.
 
12:50 PM
@VLAZ you're making a number of assumptions: user is in control of the used device, the software actually tries to login instead of just harvesting the data, etc...
 
Isn't "just harvesting the data" also an assumption?
 
@VLAZ no, it's a plausible use case scenario that would render that application effective (where you were making assumptions it wouldn't be effective). Has a sort of phishing feeling about it.
 
Logging in is also plausible.
At the end of the day, any code could be misused. A loop can be used in cracking a password.
I don't think we should be watching out for those unless it's very clearly the case, e.g., "How to crack a user's password". If a question is "I have user's credentials, I want to use them for SMTP request", I don't think we should really step in to do much.
 
@VLAZ I mean, "spell out password send it by email" is pretty close.
 
As it happens the question is closed for missing debugging details. I agree with this. Unless the user edits it into something more malicious, I have no ethical concerns. And if the user edits it into something more answerable (e.g., reducing the code to just a few lines of code that fail) then that would probably remove the ethical concerns.
@bad_coder It's a voice assistant. That's how you interact with it. I'd accept that it's not a good voice assistant but seems to work in according to the purpose stated.
 
1:01 PM
@VLAZ yeah voice assistant than by matter of coincidence seems like a phishing credential harvester (but whatever...)
 
And a form could harvest your data. That doesn't mean we should ban all questions about making forms.
 
@VLAZ I never said it should, but I was interested in hearing opinions about it. (Good thing all parts put together don't satisfy MRE or lack focus).
 
This is NAA, right? (Google-related posts confuse me, being a Bing fan!)
 
@AdrianMole Yep, flag as NAA
 
@Shree Last time you told me to do that, Cody came along and messed everything up!
xD
 
1:15 PM
Naaa, I flag that as a NAA. No need more than 1 flag :)
 
@AdrianMole lol
 
1:42 PM
SD Report: If it were $100, I'd have given a red flag. For $10, all it gets is a delete vote.
 
I choose C
 
I guess adding a link to the "How to answer" page on this would be considered provocative or "not nice"! :-)
 
@AdrianMole It would. It's just noise so remove it
 
@SurajRao well that tag could easily suck all my time away today dealing with bad questions
 
1:55 PM
@AdrianMole lol - what to call it? Ironic? Sarcastic? Or just witty? :)
 
DDD - Dharman's Done the Deed!
 
did anyone get my pun?
 
@bad_coder It would be ironic
@Dharman Your choosing C one? I got it
 
@TylerH if it is necessary I think the wiki at least needs a do not use for MCQs or something
 
Or just a "do not use" statement, period...
 
1:57 PM
@Dharman not sure if I get it, choose "close" or "cee"?! I'm always slow on catching these puns.
@TylerH I've been getting this nostalgic feeling... A possible OST for SOCVR...
 
@SurajRao Hey nice
now we can request a blacklist for it
 
@TylerH When I got my brain back, it didn't work right. I haven't had a good idea since I got it fixed.
 
2:12 PM
@bad_coder On MCQ you usually have four options A, B, C, D. These are also the names of popular programming languages. It's a terrible pun.
 
@Dharman lol, that's way too much complexity. MCQ should have at most 1 choice.
 
2:43 PM
wow, phpclasses.org is an extraordinarly bad site. I downloaded two scripts that not only are outdated, but contain obvious errors. Award winning scripts. Updated "yesterday"
 
@TylerH it needs a meta burninate post? it looks like a synonym of the requested one..
 
How do I delete a website?
 
Just send a bunch of BGP packets saying it doesn't exist.
 
Disclaimer: it's probably mighty illegal so don't actually do it... but I'm also not a lawyer and I'm not allowed to affirm that it definitely is not allowed
 
2:51 PM
@Dharman something something unpublish your BGP routes
 
Award winning scripts. Did they say which awards? Highest ratio of errors-to-lines? The Darwin Award?
 
0
Q: To Burn, or Not to Burn [multiple-choice]

Suraj Raomultiple-choice currently has 233 questions from different domains and programming languages. It has a tag wiki: Multiple choice is a form of assessment in which respondents are asked to select the best possible answer (or answers) out of the choices from a list. The multiple choice format is mo...

 
SQL injection in all 3 frameworks that I opened.
Plaintext passwords
Undefined variables
Unused variables
 
at least they are conistent!
 
More comments than code. VCS using comments
misleading PHPDocBlocs
error supression on inexistent functions
nonsensical code without explanatory comments
It's the code that gives PHP bad name
 
3:02 PM
At least they know how to use the copy-paste?
 
@Dharman I love how they managed to misspell "error" and "extension" even if it's on the next line and previous line respectively
 
@Dharman Beware of programmers who solve coding problems with wrenches. Or ex-renches
 
@JohnDvorak For those of you old enough to remember, I think "errore" and "exrension" are actually correct in Scooby-speak.
 
3:18 PM
OP could also just be Italian
Error in Italian is Errore
 
🎵 🎵 When the Moon hits your eye like a big PHPi, that's errore. 🎵
14
 
Ok, that one is one of your better ones :-)
 
A team effort!
 
3:32 PM
@Machavity *looks at avatar*
I'm not sure which is worse the fact that apparently Google+ still exists (wasn't it closed for basically having unfixable security issues?) or that there is apparently a JS classes website. I'm afraid of looking at it.
 
@TylerH Careful in that CV queue ... I'm right behind you ... again.
 
@AdrianMole oy, out of the POB filter, you!
 
Unfiltered ...
 
Luck of the draw, then
 
TylerH, RUN! Adrian is advancing like a horror movie serial killer towards you. From my extensive knowledge of horror movies, I can give you a few tips: 1. Don't be black. 2. Don't split off from the party.
 
3:46 PM
Walk on concrete
 
... avoid certain SO moderators for a week or two.
 
Advancing like molasses in the winter time
 
Stopped at 20 CV reviews, today. Used up about 20 votes in FQ and I want some to use "in the wild".
 
4:17 PM
Huh, targeting by close vote
haven't seen that in a while
 
Are you the target?
 
no another user
I raised a mod flag on one of the questions
5 different (mostly unrelated, tag-wise) questions by the same user (all from years and years ago, with no recent activity) were put in the queue around the same time.
While at least one mod is OK with such user targeting as I recall, I think most are not OK with such activity. We'll see what happens I suppose
 
@Dharman this is absolutely horrifying, thanks
 
4:39 PM
Someone has a developed self-criticism :D > But not work very terrible method
 
@desertnaut they're asking about how to balance their dataset, which is arguably as close to implementation as we can get in ML. is it?
 
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier Nope; they are actually asking what to do with their imbalanced dataset. There is a whole bunch of different methods for dealing with class imbalance, and not all of them involve artificially balancing your dataset. At best, this is POB; at worst, it is about ML methodology. Either way, it should be closed.
@FélixAdriyelGagnon-Grenier no wonder that the answer starts as "I would suggest to [one way of dealing with imbalance...]"
 
5:12 PM
@HenryEcker Minor point re your request reason: the answers being incorrect, or outdated, is not a reason to delete (or even close) a question.
 
@cigien I didn't quite know how to articulate it. The question is just a link to a single website would've been more clear?
 
@HenryEcker You could say the question is unclear
 
@HenryEcker "Question is just a link" would be fine, yes. As Jeanne mentioned, just "unclear" would be sufficient as well.
 
Got it thank you both :)
 
5:15 PM
Is this POB, or just unclear? stackoverflow.com/questions/69613098/…
 
@desertnaut I'd say it might be a better candidate for CodeReview? At the least there's no MRE
 
@HenryEcker my standard poem in such cases is - unclear, no value, no roomba
 
@desertnaut Probably needs an SME to chime in. To me, it looks OK but I've no clue about the code. Just as a question structure - "I have this, I have this question about it". It's entirely possible that there is no clear answer, though.
 
It is unclear what "optimize" means here, which in turn invites opinion-based answers
 
data_df.values is undefined the code is not currently runnable.
 
5:18 PM
@VLAZ well, I am supposedly an SME, and I could not see what "optimize" might mean here...
 
@desertnaut ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ then it's probably POB
 
5:41 PM
 
Does anyone know how the First Questions queue dropped from the tens of thousands to just a few hundred? Did they kick out/age away a bunch of stuff or did folks actually tear through a bunch of questions over the weekend?
 
@BSMP tney recently addressed some issues with this backlog
 
@gnat Oh, I missed that update. Thanks!
 
hah, already completed my CV queue run today
gotta be faster than that to stop me, SO staff...
 
@gnat That feels like placebo. Lets see how it behaves in the long term
 
6:32 PM
(plus two other spam answers from the same user which I'm sure you can find)
Interestingly they seem to have messed up their links so it doesn't actually link to anywhere... but I doubt that absolves them
 
Any views on this answer as NAA? Looks fairly NAA to me but, oddly upvoted and accepted almost immediately on a 3 year old question.
 
@DavidBuck Very odd, indeed. Also has cast a single upvote. Q got an upvote today.
 
6:48 PM
 
@DavidBuck I see two sock-puppets but I can't find the third one. It might be worth a flag
 
@VLAZ@Dharman I have now mod flagged.
 
@Dharman Are you sure they are sockpuppets? As opposed to a voting ring. I figured it might be that somebody was helping their buddy with early rep on SO. Well, or just sockpuppets. That was my two initial thoughts on seeing this. You might have more information I don't.
 
Either way some voting wizadry is going on
the question is whether there's enough evidence for mods to do anything about it
 
@Dharman Well my flag is marked helpful, the post is gone, and so is the answerer's account, so I guess there was.
 
7:01 PM
Not sure if mods do this, but if it were me, I'd put the accounts under watch.
 
@VLAZ mods can annotate accounts
 
@DavidBuck heh, that means that some mods are watchign us
 
@Dharman and also whether there's enough evidence for mods to escalate to CMs so CMs can do something about it
 
@Dharman If you win the election, remind me about this one. That was amusing to handle, but I can't say why
 
It would be interesting to learn what was the main account. But yeah... that is a secret now
 
7:09 PM
Should this question be closed mongodb replication without deleting data in secondary? It seems maybe POB, but I'm not quite sure on the topic.
 
@Machavity You guys always keep the sauciest stories for yourselves :-(
 
@Dharman Mods see when you are sleeping. Mods see when you're awake. Mods know if you've been bad or good.
@TylerH Elitism, I tell ya!
 
@HenryEcker Seems more of a database management
 
7:48 PM
 
8:12 PM
Did you see a moderator election??
For whom must i vote?
 
@manro Only vote for superior candidates, not inferior ones
 
RPG and SharePoint are also undergoing elections, hey
 
8:26 PM
@Machavity i don't know, give to me a hint
 
@manro I voted for candidates with vowels in their name
 
@Machavity Vowels, plural? 😬
 
@RyanM I think the Y in your name counts as two
 
1 or more vowels.
 
@manro What are you looking for in a moderator?
 
8:30 PM
@Machavity Every man has only one voting point? Reputation hasn't any impact?
@Dharman kindness and humbleness 🙏
 
Every person with 150 rep has the same vote weight, yes.
 
You have a single vote, but there are two positions, so it's best to select at least 2 preferences.
 
Are questions about using Jira on topic here?
 
you can rank all of them, but beyond 4 won't do much
 
@manro You order them in the order you would think they would make a good mod. As for reputation... it's not necessarily an indicator of activity. I would say this user had more activity than some high rep candidates of the past
 
8:32 PM
@manro You can read more about how election voting works here: stackoverflow.com/election Look for the big blue banner at the top of the page
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Depends on the question really. Using Jira, no. Coding for Jira, yes
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Depends. Are they programming related?
 
Programming for Jira: Stack Overflow. Normal Jira usage: Webapps. Jira-induced anxiety: Psychology.
 
@TylerH so long questionnaires, I'm not native and will read some days 😟
@Machavity have you any info, from which countries are they?
 
8:39 PM
@manro Check out their profiles. If they want to share that, it will be there
 
IRA 💪
 
What do you mean IRA? I hope you don't mean the IRA
 
@Dharman how do you assess the activity of the IRA?
 
Let's not discuss the IRA, or anything related to or approaching national politics, here. Please create a separate chat room to do that.
 
@manro I am not going to answer this for 3 reasons: 1. I am politically neutral. 2. This is not a suitable place for this kind of questions 3. This is not a suitable question to ask anyone, especially SO mod candidate
 
8:50 PM
@Dharman Sorry :(
 
Don't worry. You can ask me any question related to Stack Overflow moderation. You can also join election chat where we discuss these topics
 
@Dharman How did estimate the "candidate score"?
@Dharman aaa, by four paraameters
 
@Dharman i know, what you want man, you are staying here sogar at night. You was whole-souled with me. tit fot tat ^_^
I filled out my ballot
This is a duty of every citizen of the republics
but we can change our opinion
 
9:11 PM
^ that should actually be needs focus
 
I see that, under the new rules for displaying answers (no more the accepted answer first), neither acceptance nor a bounty are enough to resolve ties, as it would (maybe...) expected: stackoverflow.com/questions/67537605/…
 
Wait, so we don't get the questionarie on a separated meta post?
 
@desertnaut Using acceptance as a tie-breaker was requested here, if you wish to support that proposal
 
@desertnaut I can't tell if it's someone trying to recommend a useful library or an advertisment.
 
@HenryEcker I don't think it is ad (spam); question is, is it an answer to the question?
@RyanM thanks
 
@desertnaut Questionable, but the question about use of software is certainly not on-topic.
 
9:37 PM
I'm not familiar enough with the technology, but it looks to me like an attempt to provide a useful tool which "extract[s] flow-based information" to solve the problem of "extract[ing] flows instead of packets with tshark".
 
@miken32 interesting; why do you think so - is it about networking etc?
 
@desertnaut It looks to me like they're asking about how to use tshark to get a certain output.
 
@HenryEcker but it does not seem to be an answer about tshark, it proposes something different altogether
 
@desertnaut Like I said, I'm not overly familiar. If tshark produced some sort of output, and this program was capable of parsing that, is that an attempt at an answer?
 
9:43 PM
@HenryEcker yeah, that's what I am wondering, too
@miken32 not sure why you think this would be off-topic in itself
maybe the safest option is that the question is off-topic (networking)
 
@desertnaut the only time asking about how to use end-user software is on-topic is when it's software "commonly used by programmers" which a packet capture program certainly is not.
At least that's my understanding...
 
@miken32 sounds reasonable... but anyway, I am out of CVs
thanks
 
10:07 PM
@miken32 I'm with this, wireshark stuff should be SU or networking. Unless there's some costum code or packet crafting involved.
 
10:23 PM
@desertnaut Hellloooo :)
 
Out of CVs.
 
10:41 PM
 
Does anyone else find "accorded" in "Community moderators are accorded the highest level of privilege in our community" to be odd English phrasing? I would probably use "afforded" before I used "accorded". Thoughts?
 
While "common", I suspect that usage of "afforded" in this context is actually coming from a confusion with "accorded".
Accorded is more correct, in my opinion, as it means to grant power (or status or reputation).
Awarded might be better yet.
 
@mickmackusa Didn't the line said "awarded"? We may need to check the internet archive.
 
From "A Dictionary of Modern Legal Usage" by Bryan A. Garner: i.stack.imgur.com/AbJ0y.png
 
10:56 PM
Guys, i made a flag, but the second link was more correct stackoverflow.com/questions/69623167/…
 

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