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00:10
@tink Yes.. to me it's like digging myself into an impossible puzzle that will steal away my entire weekend :)
00:26
@Scratte heh
@Dharman It's downvoted and people commented explaining why it's wrong - not sure if it needs to be deleted.
Yeah, it's what I was thinking, but it has no value to stay and adding to it that it contains harmful information I think we should remove it. I would normally leave such answers alone, but I think this one should go
@Makyen Okay 👍
01:20
@Braiam Yeah, only sometimes. I never discuss it with myself first. :-)
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Just for future reference, any comment that is discussing votes (like the one you shared in here earlier) can be safely flagged as "no longer needed". You don't have to decide whether it's rude or not. Even "thanks" comments are generally removed in response to NLN flags.
@CodyGray Do you read through the entire transcript when you come back?
@Yatin Sometimes.
I find it hard to make sense of discussions when parts of them are missing as they have been sent to the graveyard.
I disagree that this is "general computing".
Yeah, you can never tell when a discussion in here fails to make sense because it's missing context or because of the people involved. ;-)
@CodyGray Can you explain more...
01:30
Well, OpenOCD is an on-chip debugger used via JTAG, ELF is the binary format for executables on Linux, flashing embedded devices seems like programming...
Or at least I tell myself that it feels like programming, because otherwise, I don't know how to describe what I do most days :-)
Lol :)
Ok.. please trash that request @Cody
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, because I can (and also based on mutual agreement)
If a post is deleted as NAA, then can the poster edit and undelete it?
Yes. Unless it's deleted by a moderator, then they can edit but won't be able to undelete. They'd have to flag for moderator attention to get a mod-deleted answer undeleted after editing.
Note that posts which are deleted through review and later undeleted by the OP cause an automatic mod flag to be raised so that we can ensure the necessary changes were actually made before undeletion.
Ahh, ok. But isn't it easier for it to be the other way around? What if an answer is deleted as NAA, it can only be undeleted by a mod?
01:43
Meh
We get very few "this review-deleted answer was undeleted by OP" auto-flags.
And note that saying a user can just edit their deleted Answer and flag for moderator attention is likely never going to happen. Unless said user is very familiar with Stack. Which reminds me that just today an 8 year old user with 500 reputation points posted a "I have the same issue" Answer.
So no, probably not easier.
...interrupted by some very Christmas-y punctuation marks.
Well, there goes my meta post :)
I do agree with the three-dot Santa. It's not very discoverable.
@Scratte How do you know they were 8 years old?
01:45
He means they've had an account on here for 8 years.
Oh, i'm so dumb
Well, it's kind of confusing. I mean, was there even life before SO?
@10Rep I do not count user's age in their real world biological years ;) I will say I'm not even a year old myself :)
@CodyGray That's not even the best question.. will there be life after?
And even if someone writes that they are 13 in their profile, how can we believe them? They could be 85 years old :)
@Scratte I'm not sure, I haven't been keeping up.
@10Rep What? You mean, someone might lie... on the Internet?!
01:49
@10Rep True. But if they write that they are 12, then I think Stack must assume it's accurate. I remember one user telling that they said they were only 12 once in chat, and if I remember correctly had to fight to keep their account.
@CodyGray That is a long way from replacing Stack Overflow, since they don't have a programming topic.
@Scratte It's kind of a shame, though. These days kids are answering better than 60 yr olds ;p
@CodyGray So I'm not the only one?
Yeah...the employees have asked the moderators to be pretty vigilant regarding underage users. It's a bit over the line by my standards. If someone admits that they are, I'll let a staff member know, but I don't do the suggested investigative work...
@10Rep Ermm.. really? :) Did you notice the class of students that posted the same post yesterday? Or the many "I'm new to programming, how to make a site like Facebook"? :)
Of course they're almost never answering. But I bet you that Gordon isn't a Spring chicken.
How do you know that 60-year-old grandma isn't new to programming and wants to make a site like Facebook?
You mean Mark Zuckerberg's Grandma asking a question here?
01:53
You don't think she has access to the source already?
Good point. I don't.. it's intuition I guess. The way the posts are phrased, using "wanna" and "heyguys" <-- missing space, no capitalized H. Did I forget the "plz help me out, bro"
Since I am a student, I know how teachers will phrase assignment instructions, so I know when a fellow student copy and pastes the instructions
As someone who has been a student and a teacher, I am also wise to these matters.
My top answer is to a question that is most likely asked by a fellow student.
You don't need to be a student for that :)
01:56
In my experience, the users of "txtspk" are just as likely to be middle-aged as they are to be children.
"Create a class, MyClass, that has a .... and ..." is a give away :)
I can't see a 40 year old use the word "bruh" or "bro" :D
@CodyGray The world has become hapless.. :(
@Scratte or "write a function that". Not everyone has learnt OOP.
@10Rep I've definitely seen people that age, or older, use such terms. :;
01:58
@Scratte Is that a pun on a common misspelling of "help"?
@CodyGray Yes..
@Makyen says, while looking into a mirror :-p
Oh yeah, now that I think about it youtubers/streamers must use that word all the time
@CodyGray Hapless but not halpless? :-)
02:01
@10Rep Depends
@CodyGray Yeah, I think I'm going to "take the 5th", as an American would say, with respect to my confirming or denying having used such language or implying my age. :)
You're a very interesting person, Makyen :)
4
Thanks. :)
@Makyen Or, apparently, even admitting whether you are an American.
02:10
@10Rep Yes, I’m aware. But it doesn’t apply all that well in the sense that Scratte was using it, so I thought it might be a pun.
But the world has become unfortunate, no?
BTW @10Rep have you intentionally misspelled "access" on your profile?
@RyanM Tanks in advancement
@Yatin I assume so… it follows after “idiot”
@Yatin yes... just to show that I am indeed an idiot :)
Ok
02:15
@Yatin just wanted to clarify ;-)
lol :D
Gosh, I didn't even have time to flag it myself :) Prompt service by a diamond?
That was lightning fast...
That's why you flag it before reporting when there are two mods in the room :D
Sorry, I’ll try to leave the spam up for longer next time. Give you a chance to write down the phone number of that THC supplier.
02:17
No need :)
Someone apparently flagged it as VLQ. Not sure why, it was clearly spam.
xD
It is very low quality, along with spam, though that's the wrong flag
It was pretty low quality by our standards for spam
It was very low quality spam?
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Wouldn’t you say? It was not even coherent.
02:20
Yeah, it was so unclear that I had to read it twice to figure out whether they were trolling or spamming.
They're promoting drugs, so it's spam
Does it actually matter much whether you flag as spam or R/A though? Wouldn't any combination of 6 red flags kill it off, or does it have to be 6 of the same kind of flag?
Except for the mod queues I mean, it would make a difference as far as that goes
Do R/A and spam even go to separate mod queues, though?
@10Rep You even didn't capitalize the "i" on your chat profile :) But the best part is the "Old profile pic" :D
They do go to separate queues and which flag you use affects future audits. But they are very similar.
I’m joking obviously about VLQ. That shouldn’t be used on spam.
@Scratte Nah the best part is his first video
02:24
Hypothetically, if 5 people flagged as spam and another person flagged as R/A, it would still be deleted with the 100 rep penalty applied, though, right?
Do you have a second YouTube video?
@Yatin ending in gXcQ.. not going there.
@Scratte All on purpose, but I could fix it.
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Yes, for the purposes of nuking and rep penalties, both red flags are identical.
@10Rep There's also Foo Fighters Carpool Karaoke though the sound quality is a bit.. low.
02:27
@Scratte I'll take your word for it :D
@CodyGray Coming soon...
Do you have your own recording studio?
I'm using midi with fl studio
My recording studio is my garage
I'm dying here.. :D
What is this?
I don't know but it got a downvote
Then perhaps the user that voted knows what it is..
02:37
It looks like some output code if you enter the edit, you can see html tags, giving the impression that it might be code
Got to answer more post to be able to do that..
Just got mod hammered...
Someone marked you a duplicate?
I assume there are plenty of users like me :)
02:54
That made me go check usernames. No other 10 Repper.. :)
But I found 3 varations of "HelpVampire" and a lot of "Help" and even some "Hapless" ones.
I admit I was a help vampire when I made that my username
Also worth noting that there are 15 users with the name "rep" :)
@10Rep Yes. Once of them seem to have gained 10 this week.. could be your duplicate :)
Now it's the question of which user will be roomba'd ;P
Could this comment be considered sarcastic? stackoverflow.com/questions/65255776/…
@10Rep Yes, but not unkind.. it's just the normal form of sarcasm.
I find it better than the use of "Thanks" in a comment after a suggestion, making the suggestion an order, like "Please edit your.... Thanks!" Wait.. what?!? Don't thank prematurely, please. The thanks make it seem like it's a done deal.
Well, an answer on the thanks post was deleted for the same reason.
03:05
Huh?.. an entire Answer was deleted due to the use of the sentence "Thanks for the downvote"?
No the one you linked in your profile. It was deleted due to being sarcastic.
Different kind of sarcastic.. and the deletion of that Answer was it's own kerfuffle.
@10Rep Being a prolific commenter myself, I would normally not say this.. but don't comment on a rude post.
Ok, I won't, but why?
Two reasons: 1. They want to vent. They want attention. They want to engage. 2. You do not want their attention directed at you.
Ahh, that makes sense.
 
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04:32
@Scratte your comment to the SD report was a lot more polite than what I was writing. thank you. but... what happened to 2020?!
@Nick I accidentally answered a post. It can go any second though :)
I always assume that a user is just confused and don't understand how to convey their issue properly. It's a skill. Not everybody fully learns.
 
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06:11
@Dharman Harmful answers should generally be downvoted and a warning provided in comments. Deleting them doesn't stop others from making the same mistake.
@Chipster The rule, which I was involved in writing, is that you don't need anything more than a consensus of a couple of other knowledgeable people to remove a tag with a very small number of questions. It is unrelated to SOCVR, and just part of the general burnination process.
Makyen already explained SOCVR's policies, so I won't rehash that. I will just say that, in my eyes, it's probably acceptable to get that consensus of a handful of other knowledgeable users by asking in here. That's different from coordinating a burnination in here.
That said... cpulimit is a tool that might be asked about in the context of a SO question, and there are probably other examples, so I won't go so far as to say it would never be an acceptable tag.
But I can defer to the judgment of Dharman, Braiam, and others that, whatever questions had that tag, didn't need it and/or didn't need to be here.
@10Rep As I mentioned earlier to... I think Praveen?... it doesn't matter whether it's sarcastic or rude or whatever. You don't have to decide that. It's commentary about downvotes, so it needs to go. Simply flag as NLN. I've removed it now.
@Scratte Prolific commenter? I thought you were allergic?!
Ah...swiped by Makyen.
ninja'd :)
@CodyGray Thanks, will follow this. Just got offended of that one. So thought of bringing it to notice.
06:26
Yup. Comments whining about votes annoy me, too.
I don't speak hollow rectangles
06:53
@Scratte Silly squirrel! :)
07:03
Now this made me smile: "This is my code. Please fix it for me." At least they did say thanks...
@Nick And please!
Possibly the politest "gimme the codez" ever! :)
But not even. They have the codez. They just want you to help them fix it.
Ooh, someone just did! :)
The site is working!
07:05
That made me laugh even more! :)
07:21
@cigien How is the question R/A?
@Makyen I'm so sorry, I meant to link to the answer. I'll be more careful.
@cigien np. Such things happen from time to time.
@Makyen I should have clicked on the link after making the request to make sure. That was careless.
@cigien Don't worry about it. We've all made similar types of mistakes. Lessening the number of them that we have is one of the reasons I expanded the Request Generator to include all types of requests.
Meanwhile, I just chastise people. No wonder everybody likes Makyen better. :-)
07:29
:)
Oh I don't know. I like you quite a lot. But Makyen's better ;)
@CodyGray I pinged you in CHQ btw, I'm confused about something.
08:12
@Makyen So far I've been resistant to using userscripts for personal reasons, mostly silly, but it seems that by using them I'll make fewer mistakes when making requests, or interacting with SD, so I'll go for it. I'm not sure if convincing me of that was your intent when mentioning the Request Generator, but thanks for bringing it up.
Userscripts are great. The only issue I have with them is when you use multiple computers, you're either without them or spending far too much time fiddling.
Not really a worry for me. I mostly use one. Well two, but installing twice on different browsers should be instructive.
Nah, as long as you use TamperMonkey, the experience is identical across browsers. You won't even learn anything.
The only thing you really stand to learn is that Chrome's V8 JS engine is a lot faster than whatever Firefox uses. That really starts to matter when you run userscripts that manipulate the DOM.
@cigien It was a consideration, but only after I started writing the last sentence. The motivation for updating the request generator to do all request types was to save people time, make life easier, and reduce mistakes. It was natural for my thinking to go there. I did realize that it might be seen as chiding you about not using userscripts, which was not the intent, so I almost deleted that sentence.
Refusing to use userscripts is such a Scratte thing to do, it always boggles my mind that he does use them. :-)
"There is this thing that I logically want to do, and think will be helpful, but I refuse to do it because...reasons."
08:19
I think Scratte's surname may very well be "UB."
Some refuse to use glasses ...
And some use them even when they don't need them for the sex appeal
@cigien I'm glad you're going to try them. I find them to be quite helpful. I really wouldn't want to be using SO/SE without them. However, I do recognize that using them is entirely a personal choice. After all, userscripts are all about making the webpage do what you want, rather than only what the website designer wanted.
@Makyen I know this is not your style, but I personally don't mind being chided at all. I appreciate it in fact. I do like it being phrased politely of course, but as far as you're concerned I'm not remotely worried :)
Okay, I can have a stab at you ...
08:22
By all means :)
Maybe another day.
There are certain challenges you just don't hand out with certain people around, @cigien
Maybe I shall have to eat my words. Won't be the first time.
Mmmm, words.
Now I'm peckish.
08:25
The people aren't that bad. Other species ... not sure.
How do you know who is people?
@Makyen I understand. What I really want the webpages on SE to do for me is make it easier for me to curate content. So using userscripts would be very much in line with that.
@cigien A substantial number of userscripts have been created to help with curation tasks. Using them certainly helps me on almost every SE page.
@Makyen Yeah, I always like to be more efficient when possible. One day I'll tell you why I'm not a fan of userscripts. It'll be worth a chuckle at least. What I really want is a userscript that helps me answer questions on main. I understand you're working on that full time, right? ;)
08:35
Riiight :)
That probably wouldn't be very hard. The majority of new questions are duplicates, so the hardest part would be picking out keywords in the incoming questions to search for. After that, you dispatch to Google, pick out the top-rated results, scrape the text from the top-rated answer, and paste in a new answer along with appropriate attribution. Mostly busy-work.
@Nick OP edited to specify matplotlib. If there's a funnel-plot functionality in there, it might be on-topic now. Can you check please?
@CodyGray I'll end up visiting SOBotics at some point. Isn't that what Queen is meant to do? To some extent at least.
@CodyGray That would probably work. It would likely end up with a significant positive accumulation of reputation.
@cigien Those edits fixed the problem, in my estimation. Cleaned up further and reopened. (cc @Nick)
@CodyGray Nice edit. You added the tag and everything. Thanks.
08:42
@cigien Oh, maybe. You might be able to adapt it for more nefarious purposes. I don't really know; I'm not active in SOBotics.
Although I have been called an SOB before, I think that was referring to something different. Ask Bhargav or Tree for SOBotics support.
One new room at a time. There's plenty of basics to learn in CHQ first.
Ah
If you say so
Yeah, I think there is.
Like what?
You already know what spam is, because you aren't new to the Internet. You already know what rude/abusive is, because you're not new to the world.
The only real thing you have to learn is that mods on the rest of the SE network are nothing at all like mods on SO.
@CodyGray My own understanding of those terms is important, but I certainly can't assume that that translates directly to how those terms are used on SE.
@CodyGray You're not going to leave it at that, are you? What should I even know to look for?
08:55
Well, SO mods don't have nearly as much patience and don't put up with crap.
We have almost no sympathy for new users who register and post stuff that looks like spam.
That much is understandable. y'all have to deal with a lot more crap.
Whereas, on other sites, they're more likely to hold these new users' hands, make edits, etc.
From SD's pov those should still be treated as spam though, correct?
On SO, filling your post with garbage to bypass the quality filters is considered R/A. On other sites? YMMV.
And that's right there is one of the many things I have to learn, i.e. the system definition of R/A. If different SE site definitions can vary, I have to assume that my own could be quite different as well.
09:00
I would argue that SO mods adhere to the system definition.
Mods on other sites try to be "nice" (a misunderstanding of "nice").
You might be interested in this.
@CodyGray Yeah, that's roughly the definition I use myself. I've not been too worried about marking posts from other SE sites as R/A. I'm aware that users on those sites might see things differently, but it would be extremely painful to account for that on a per site basis.
Yes.
But be prepared to run into resistance.
I can't really help you. I apply even looser interpretations of MS feedback than even other users coming from SO.
Resistance? On other SE sites you mean? Apart from ELL/ELU, and some computer-y sites, I wouldn't even leave a comment anywhere. I'm not sure what you mean.
@cigien E.g., mods on other sites declining your R/A flags on gibberish.
Declined flags? That I can live with :)
09:08
Oh, okay. I get some of y'all confused. :-\
Sometimes, I even think you might be a pipe.
Yeah, you're fairly trigger happy. More than I'd be comfortable with. I can't really speak to that, I don't know the system well enough.
The bigger the gun, the easier it is to be trigger-happy. Remember, American.
@CodyGray I don't really get the flag stat fascination.
It's like I said earlier, the energy spent discussing crap is energy that is effectively wasted.
@cigien But, you see, there are colored flag icons that you can add to your profile with a userscript!
@CodyGray If you keep bringing it up in every conversation, it's hard to forget ;)
09:10
Another classic American trick!
@CodyGray Yeah, I haven't said this out loud before, but I think that icon/badge thing is counter-productive. I learned a lot from getting flags declined, as many of my initial ones did. Having a perfect flagging record means one is probably not trying any risky ones, and learning from it.
@cigien Careful. You are dangerously close to people thinking you are my latest sockpuppet.
I guess that's why you haven't said it out loud.
No, I just don't care enough about flag-stats either way.
How is that different from what I said? :-)
I thought you meant I haven't said it out loud because it might seem like I agree with you too much.
09:15
Having a perfect flagging record means one is shying away from flagging stuff that should be removed, which means that you're effectively letting stuff slip through the cracks because your threshold is set way too high.
@cigien Oh, I see what you meant now.
The risk of a FP is almost irrelevant because there is at least one other set of qualified eyes on it. Therefore, the threshold should be set very low to minimize the number of FNs.
@CodyGray I'm not worried. If we only agreed, I'd be worried, but we don't. When we do disagree, neither of us are shy about saying so, and loudly. I'll just point people to one of those conversations :)
So...you don't see me as the type to have loud arguments with my own sockpuppet?
I do actually. Fair point :(
@CodyGray @cigien sorry about the lack of response - been eating dinner. I agree that with the edits its worthy of re-opening.
09:22
i got u dawg
@Nick You took a break to eat dinner? Unacceptable. You can't leave this room once you join. Please read the FAQ.
I'm pretty sure Makyen hasn't got that in there...
yet...
It's OK if you take your smartphone with you and continue to flag during dinner.
@cigien "Such a lovely place" :)
Bring your alibis
09:35
And I literally was stabbing it with my steely knife...
Where's the pink champagne?
@AdrianMole on ice
and sure enough... I find myself back here again...
We're all showing our age and/or dodgy backgrounds, here.
a bit of both I suspect... I did see them live before the big breakup...
09:40
I think that song (maybe even the group) has transcended age and social groupings.
... it's even a popular karaoke number for teenagers in Laos. :-)
That's how you discerned my dodgy background?
09:51
@Yatin Phrases like "Gimmee za codez" are frowned upon in request reasons, IIUC. Could you edit that please?
@cigien Sorry. Won't happen again
@Yatin No worries. Thank you.
Yeah, it's preferred—or at least I prefer it—that you refrain from editorializing in close requests. Stick to one of the actual reasons. Add commentary as a separate message, if you must.
Ok 👍 Got it :)
09:56
@CodyGray Actually, it's not just the close reasons themselves. It's more that we're not supposed to be disparaging about posts in a way that could be considered disparaging to the OP. "Gimme the Codez" falls in that category, whether it's in a close reason or just in a message.
There's a meta about this I suspect, and also wording in the FAQ I think.
I don't have a big problem with people saying "gimme teh codez" in a chat message. I don't think that's inappropriately disparaging to any person. What I have a problem with is the illusion of requesting closure of a question for an inappropriate reason.
Certain "gimme teh codez" questions are fine. (cue controversy in 3...)
The latter we're in agreement on, and I try to ask members not to say things like "homework" and "no effort" in close reasons. Not too much, I don't want to criticize if it's not constructive. To the former, I'm going to push back a bit. A lot of OPs would be quite upset I think, if they read the transcript and saw how we end up referring to them often. I'm not a fan of it really.
(I won't use it again)
Don't mind @cigien; he's just trying to carve out his own niche by not agreeing wholesale with me :-)
@Yatin Like I said, it's not a big deal. I wasn't actually addressing you with that comment, and I don't believe Cody was either. I didn't mean for my comment to come across as an attack, I'm sorry if it did.
Nope, definitely not. I had already seen that Yatin had gotten the message, so I wasn't trying to pile on. Just adding additional commentary for future reference.
@cigien No no it is fine... I do understand that "Gimme the Codez" sounds kinda condescending so I decided that not using it would be the best thing to do...
@Yatin I agree. I'm very glad to hear that.
BTW @Cody I tried editing that answer to be directly related to the code in the question but without knowing what the code is for it is hard to explain more...
10:18
@Yatin Fair enough. Thanks for trying. I don't have the tab open anymore, so I can't easily check. :-) It was just general advice.
Thank you for it though 😀
I saw MATLAB code for the first time when I started my current job. I already knew... (counts on fingers; gives up)...a bunch of programming languages, but MATLAB was and still is a special kind of horrible.
The implicit matrix operation is kind of mind-bending, but very cool and useful once you get used to it.
The wildly inconsistent use of braces is something I still can't figure out.
But it seems so popular in certain circles. My university is one: the physics department doesn't seem to ever use anything other than MATLAB.
Physics? Hmm, I haven't heard of it being used in any physics departments. It's very popular in engineering, especially mechanical and civil, for reasons largely unknown to me.
@CodyGray True... I had to learn it in college. Personally, I find python to be more than sufficient but Matlab is more popular in the Academic/Research groups
10:22
Because academia moves slowly. Python wasn't sufficient over a decade ago when they settled on MATLAB. :-)
R was starting to replace MATLAB, but very slowly, before Python.
Also, I think it's cheaper for academic/non-profit organizations. Still pricey, though.
Hard to get cheaper than free though, amirite?
cheap??
I remember (about 10 years ago - maybe more) the MATLAB people sent a team to the Uni to show off their wares. A whole-day seminar. Horrible. One of the guys claimed that MATLAB code runs significantly faster than equivalent code in C++.
We had to create fake accounts (to use the 30 days free trial) for our entire semester because our college didn't pay for the software.
Which, I might add, they were very well funded for by the government :(
10:26
They're still claiming that. I spoke to at MathWerks technical guy (not even a lowly sales droid) at a conference a year or two ago, and he claimed the exact same thing, in response to my jocular "well, I don't think we really need your support, since my company is moving away from MATLAB towards C++ for speed".
So, I was like, maybe I should buy it... then I checked the pricing.
I literally laughed out loud. Before I was plucked out of my real job to attend a conference, I was working on converting one of our key numeric algorithms from MATLAB to C++. After my rewrite, I benchmarked it as an average of 60 times faster.
I suppose a (well-written) MATLAB procedure could out-perform a very poorly-written C++ equivalent (if the latter were compiled with Borland 5.5).
...with optimizations disabled.
Zoe
Zoe
@AdrianMole Just introduce an "accidental" infinite loop
10:28
hehe woz optimi... optimi whatsits?
My C++ build wasn't even taking advantage of vector (SIMD) operations. It could have been even faster...
The comparison to MATLAB was unfairly biased in favor of MATLAB.
@Zoe Does the ICC compiler still put those (cough) tricks in to slow down AMD chips?
Zoe
Zoe
/shrug
Yes. They just document it now, so it's "OK".
Zoe
Zoe
lmao
10:30
Ha.
@Zoe Hmm, it looks like the OP wrote the question in 2 languages. Someone edited out the other language, and I was about to roll back thinking they'd transcribed it. Can you check please?
Zoe
Zoe
The entire thing was written in two languages, and the editor removed the other one
that's why I voted to close as no MCVE, because regardless of the language, it still lacks code
Oh, wait. You said No MCVE anyway. Ignore that.
The dispatcher literally checks for the string "GenuineIntel" in the CPUID.
Zoe
Zoe
Is ICC Intel's compiler?
10:33
Yes
If you don't know that, why is Adrian asking you?
I didn't know that they didn't know.
Oh, okay. I was assuming you had discussed it with her earlier.
Zoe
Zoe
I look like I know stuff, but little do people know I don't know shit :D
Must be the rainbow.
Light is getting reflected, but none is getting in. :-)
Why would a software development company hire interns and number them starting at 0?!
because software devs all start counting at zero
10:45
Ack! I meant 1.
Never mind. Joke broken. :-(
Zoe
Zoe
F
This is arguably an acceptable reason to retroactively edit the message.
To make rene look stupid? Yeah, I considered that.
I don't need edits for that
@CodyGray No, to make you look less dumb. You're in dire need of that ;)
10:47
I think that ship has sailed.
Well, Zoe gave you an F on this one. Generous, if you ask me.
I thought it was supposed to be an E for effort
@rene Not in Matlab :p
@CodyGray Oh dear, that's an American thing isn't it? We don't give grades for effort back home.
Starting at 42?
10:49
@cigien Not really. We don't know our alphabet. Our letter grades are A, B, C, sometimes D, and F. There's no E.
Ah, I see. So an improvement? Hmm...
That is Exceptional
@cigien Sometimes C's are given for effort.
Ok, I have heard of the concept. I certainly think effort should be rewarded, but to conflate it with having understood the material, which is what a grade is supposed to represent, is probably not the best way to go about it.
It just changes the scale.
10:54
Assuming that's what a Grade is supposed to represent, of course.
Grades can still represent understanding of the material, you just know that the grade has to be an A to represent mastery, B to represent an adequate grasp, C to represent having taken the course and tried hard/done all the work, and F to represent failure.
Our having compressed the scale in this way, of course, is why we had to introduce "plus" and "minus" grading in order to expand the scale to represent variations in "mastery" and "adequacy".
You see this kind of inflation all over the place.
@CodyGray I see what you're saying. I'm not sure subject mastery, and effort should be lumped together though. e.g. Whom would you rather work with? Someone who tries really hard, but doesn't really get it, or someone who doesn't need to put in effort because they already know their stuff?
Depends on what I'm doing.
And depends on how well I understand the material.
Sure. I'm thinking of work, i.e. where some technical competency is needed.
So am I...
10:58
@CodyGray I'm not sure I follow. Why is that relevant exactly?
If I understand the material very well, then it's less of a problem to work with a person that works hard but lacks a good grasp of the material: I can teach them. I know that they are teachable, because they work hard.

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