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7:00 PM
@Dharman That's a bit old.
 
@cigien The intent was to keep the format simple for those users who are creating requests manually. The Request Generator does insert additional, helpful information into requests at the time they are made. For requests which don't have some of that additional information, the URRS userscript inserts tag information into the request and replaces bare post URLs with question titles, unless the user has turned those off. The URRS also permits sorting by question tags when reviewing requests.
I don't mind mentioning that it's helpful to add the question's primary tag to a request, but I'd be quite hesitant to make it mandatory.
 
@Makyen What are the reasons for not making it mandatory? Other than ease of posting a request without a script.
 
@Makyen The URRS allows sorting by tag and/or choosing to hide requests for questions with specific tags.
@cigien The primary reason is ease of posting a request without using a script. Basically, it's not necessary information. The information that is required is the minimum information that's necessary to know what the request is about.
 
@cigien Yeah, but you voted anyway. Thanks.
 
@Dharman Yeah, I only noticed after casting the vote :(
 
7:06 PM
Sorry, you can have one of my votes then
 
Nah, I just like rules ;) And following them.
@Makyen Ok, I think that's clear. The emphasis in the wording can be shifted for sure. I'll make a PR when I get around to it, if it's not already resolved. Thanks.
 
7:25 PM
@bad_coder now fixed
 
9:00 PM
@Makyen I made a mistake about this one please move to dev/null.
 
@bad_coder I assume you made a request. What's the problem with it?
 
@bad_coder Which request? Did you mean this one, which has already been moved to the Graveyard?
 
@Makyen this
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
@bad_coder OK. Done. Another time, please link to the request you want moved when asking for something to be moved out. Doing so makes it much easier to be sure the thing you're requesting is actually what gets moved.
 
@Makyen sorry, it isn't a common occurrence. I will try to remember.
 
9:08 PM
Thanks.
 
 
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10:16 PM
 
Long-held 'suspicions' finally confirmed.
 
@AdrianMole Who did you suspect?
 
I just noticed that the 'new' user often uses the same language style as the 'old' one. And one account ceased activity at the same time the new one started being active. The new one you know from the linked comment; the old one is hinted at in my comment nearby ...
... just to add that I have no suspicion in the sense of anything untoward, like voting fraud.
 
10:32 PM
How can users have sock-puppets that have almost as much rep as I do.
I found a nice answer today and I was going to upvote it but then I noticed I can't because I wrote it.
 
By staying under the radar and voting on their other accounts
 
No, that I would catch
 
I have a list of accounts I am tracking like that
now they also create an account on the other sites to also get association bonus.
 
I assume there are accounts that I was not yet able to catch, and there's probably plenty
 
and when reported and the account gets deleted here, they simply recreate another one
 
10:34 PM
In this case, the 'old' user account hasn't been activated since early March, so there's no chance of upvoting in the old->new direction. The new user has gained rep. by posting lots of good answers.
 
@AdrianMole That's fascinating. Nice find :)
 
Those in C++ will almost certainly recognize "LRIO". Several canonicals.
 
Absolutely. I was in fact wondering why there were no recent answers from that account.
 
Now you know!
 
I'm wondering what reasons there might be to make a sock-puppet like that. It's not like they're going out of their way to hide it.
 
10:37 PM
I assume with 300k rep your account is constantly buzzing
 
Who knows? A clean start? The challenge of earning privileges again?
 
Maybe they just wanted to start fresh
 
Yeah, true. I think it's very cool. Are there other known examples of this?
 
Yeah - I used to go by the name of Jon Skeet! ;-P
 
I think a lot of users have sock-puppets
 
10:39 PM
@AdrianMole That explains a lot ;)
@Dharman For non-voting-fraud purposes? Is that common really?
 
I have two... it's just that I can't remember what one of them was called
 
hehe
 
@Dharman But why?
 
I've actually been wanting to 'prod' that new user, for a while. Their comments on that Meta post gave me the necessary 'justification'. And it worked.
 
I hadn't suspected a sock-puppet. But I've run into them several times, and wondered why they had the tone of someone who had been around for a very long time.
 
10:44 PM
@Nick Initially I created one to test my bots, and then I left it for running bots. The second one I created to ask a question without having it biased becuase of my name. I was afraid that if people saw who asked then it would get downvoted and closed immediately
 
@Dharman It's sad that SO has become so personal you need the latter reason...
 
@Dharman Has that actually happened to you before? That's very unfortunate.
 
Questions tend to be magnets for downvotes.
People are not happy with my actions from time to time and they take it out on my questions because it doesn't cost anything
 
@Dharman mainly revenge downvoting as there's no penalty to the user
 
Yes, but I had situations when I asked a question and I was condescendingly told that I could have found it out myself
 
10:50 PM
@Dharman They were probably right! :)
...but had no need to be rude about it
 
But then how would I share that knowledge with others?
 
But if Dharman ever tries to create an 'in disguise' sock-puppet, we'll all rapidly spot it from the bunches of [del-pls] requests in here, every day at 23:30 UTC.
 
11:25 PM
It's hard to get any LQP reviews "under one's belt" these days: Do we have too many moderators? ;)
 
All of them?
Just needs one more CV (I'm out) then we can delete the whole show.
That question definitely needed some code in order to be answerable.
 
I am not sure why it got deleted, but I am not going to miss it
 
Could it have been edited into shape?
 
@Dharman it got deleted because we deleted it
 
11:38 PM
Yes - but OP just got arrogant when asked to do that.
 
Oh, is that why there''s a flag-pls?
 
FYI I am not an SME on this topic so I haven't got a clue about how useful that question actually was.
 
If OP got arrogant or rude in comments then the comments should be flagged. I'll vote to undelete. If the OP doesn't feel like editing, they can take the down-votes.
 
@cigien Then why did you vote to delete?
 
It didn't look particularly fixable to me. But I'm not an SME either, so I'm not sure.
 
11:42 PM
They said, "I tested componentDidMount and componentDidUpdate..." but didn't show how they tested them. Maybe they did something wrong in their code? But, without that code, how can anyone possibly know?
 
Usually, we let roomba take the stuff that is not fixable. There's always a chance that OP can do a major rewrite. Unless the question is blatantly off-topic we don't delete questions that are roomba-bound
 
@Dharman Yeah, it was a mis-click on my part, sorry about that.
 
@cigien Newbie here with first comment - it wasn't clear to me that the OP wasn't right...that someone with sufficient familiarity might have known just what he was asking. - So did it so clearly need fixing?
 
@Steve Welcome :) I don't really see how that question could be answered without some code. I'm not absolutely sure though.
 
@cigien Right. Me neither. I think maybe that's my point though.
 
11:46 PM
@Steve Even the best SME could only guess at why their attempts failed. Unless there was some code shown that could be corrected. They were asked for clarity and just became vaguely abusive! I had no qualms about delete-voting that one.
 
@AdrianMole I won't lose any sleep over it's deletion for the reason you state. But playing devil's advocate, might not an expert have said "You tried A and B, but it's C that you wanted in this case"? In other words A and B had no chance of working, no matter how they were coded up.
 
That's why we ask for at least the bare bones of their code.
 
@AdrianMole But I'm proposing a case where an expert would have know just what the problem was with no need to see any code.
 
That would be a Witch-Doctor, not an SME.
 
@Steve I also don't think the question deserved to be deleted, but it did need some improvements. The title was terrible and the question sounded too vague for me. I really didn't think it was a good question but it could have been improved by OP
I wonder if I can vote to undelete it
 
11:52 PM
Why wouldn't you be able to?
 
It needs 20k to delete-vote (< 3 days old); maybe the same to undelete-vote?
 
@AdrianMole Maybe. I don't see that it's out of the question for an SME to see that he was using the wrong calls just by stating their names, and could then tell the OP which call to use. How remote that chance is...I have no idea, since I'm not a SME. - I'm going to stop beating this dead thing now.
 
@AdrianMole Oh, oops, I didn't realize that.
 
@Steve It's not dead, it's sleeping!
 
Even if they were upset. They could still have edited it. Deleting it seems.. excessive. Just flag the comments.
 
11:55 PM
Huh, apparently it only takes 10K.
 
@cigien Yip. I'm in the "barely over 10K camp", and it took my vote.
 
Good, I'm glad you cast a vote where you felt it appropriate.
 
@cigien I'm not entirely surprised. It takes someone that knows to take great care to delete something fast, to know what not to delete fast. But un-deleting doesn't require expert opinion on urgency.
And if they do not make changes, it will Roomba, no?
 
I am surprised, but mostly because of an apparent lack of symmetry. Time to do another search on meta.
 
@cigien There's no reason for symmetry is my point.
 
11:59 PM
Fair enough.
 
@cigien My main interest in that particular post was that I was the guy in the mix trying to salvage the thing by playing the moderator. - I just wish I could have completed my effort. Then...Close Away, LOL.
 
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