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3:55 AM
@Machavity About stackoverflow.com/questions/63392316/… isn’t that entire quabr.com/63392316/… page actually just a copy of that SO Q&A?
 
Only 2.7K questions in the close queue?!
 
 
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@ArghyaSadhu I would have said probably but @Makyen just removed the whole question (fair enough too, it's crying out for spammy answers) so it's academic now...
 
@ArghyaSadhu IMO, not really. The question could be interpreted as a request for services, so I can't say it's completely unsolicited. There doesn't appear to be any undisclosed affiliation. So, it doesn't really qualify as spam under the definitions we use. IMO, the problem was the question, not the answer.
 
@Makyen also that user does look legit
 
@Makyen If the question wasn't a request for services, would that change your opinion?
 
@ArghyaSadhu Yes, but we generally stay away from discussing specific users in here, so I wasn't going to say more about an evaluation of the user. :;
 
6:34 AM
@Makyen noted on that..but I have the same question as Nick :)
 
@Nick On the question it was located, I probably would have disputed a spam flag on it (maybe marked such helpful), if there were any. If that answer was on a question which couldn't be interpreted as asking for services, then, yes, it would be considered spam. I would have marked flags on it as helpful.
However, I would have just normal-deleted it, as it didn't appear to be intended as spam (i.e. it appears the user is trying to be helpful, rather than promote the site). I other words, it should be deleted, but the spam penalty would have seemed a bit harsh. In which case, I probably would have at least commented to them that it was inappropriate. OTOH, if they did it again, then it would look much more like their intent was promotion, rather than "being helpful".
 
@Makyen thanks for the clarification.
 
np
 
@Makyen if I understand you correctly a VLQ flag is appropriate in this case instead of spam flag
 
@Makyen btw I really appreciate the time you put in to making such detailed responses. They're really helpful for myself and I'm sure everyone else who frequents this room.
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Is the SD report OT general computing?
 
6:46 AM
@ArghyaSadhu Personally, I would have focused on closing the question, which wasn't asking about a programming problem, but rather a system administration question (well, actually a server center architecture question). Given the low views, I'd then focus on deleting the question. As to the answer, I would have marked either NAA or VLQ as helpful, because it really doesn't answer the question.
 
@Nick I don't think so
 
@Nick np. Thanks. I'm happy to be able to help.
 
@Makyen got it..Thanks much
 
np
 
 
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8:04 AM
I've stumpled upon this microcontroller Question. They seem to want to interface with the device. I'm not sure if it's on topic here. I've check the arduino tour, but it doesn't seem to be a good fit there because it doesn't seem to fit "Specific issues with Arduino boards, clones, code, and the Arduino IDE"
Would anyone know if it fits "the writing of firmware for bare-metal or RTOS applications" of the electronics.se tour?
 
Is seemingly asking for a tool, even if you then self-(link-only)-answer with your own tool, still Seeking Recommendations? stackoverflow.com/q/63310568
 
To me it looks like this self-answer actually belongs in the question. Since they post their whole XML file and code it may have been too long.
 
@DavidBuck I don't think so. It seems "I need help even with the SAM code and pinout"..
 
@Scratte Sorry - that wasn't meant as an answer to yours. Yours looks simply like Needs Focus...
 
@DavidBuck I think it doesn't depend on the answers whether it's on or off-topic. To me it hardly looks like a question, so I'd say the best bet is it's asking for recommendations (title: "Tool to brute-force CSRF-protected login forms"). Also already attracted a NAA.
 
8:18 AM
@DavidBuck Oh!.. The confusion was absolute :)
 
@JeanneDark Yes - that's more question, not an answer.
 
[tag=sql-server] This closed question has been edited with new information provided by OP stackoverflow.com/questions/63761423/…
Can this be re-opened?
 
@DhruvJoshi oops.. (Note the tag needs a :, not a = as in [tag:sql-server])
 
@DhruvJoshi Hasn't that question just changed from Needs Details and Clarity to Needs more Focus?
 
@DavidBuck Depends. I see it as a how-to question. "How do I add 10 days excluding weekend to a date for a sql?"
 
8:27 AM
@DavidBuck I helped the OP add details and OP confirmed in the messages the expected Input/Output data table
@DavidBuck Though there is no effort from the OP re: what OP did on solving the problem.
@DavidBuck but it may be dupe of the question link you pointed out in chat
@Scratte Thank you. I'll keep this in mind
 
The "effort needed" would just be a silly unneeded sql like "select date + interval 10 days from table", no?
^ I'm not sure about the syntax though.. I didn't check.
I think you should just comment on the duplicate find, and leave it closed. The Question will be removed by Roomba wither way in about 10 days.
 
@Scratte I agree. Looks like the OP needs more encouragement and hand-holding rather than smashing close tag
@Scratte I added the link to dupe in a comment to question for OP
 
@DhruvJoshi If they are unable to use the Answers on the target, then I think they are probably not using Stack the right way though.
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@DavidBuck From the descriptions, Add business days to date in SQL without loops appeared to be a more accurate duplicate.
 
@Makyen If we only knew a moderator that would be able to reclose it with two duplicate finds ;)
 
8:44 AM
@Scratte Yeah, but the other one fairly clearly claims that it it's wanting to do something a bit different, so while it's similar, it's not the same thing. Or, at least, that's how I read them.
 
@Makyen True - it doesn't have the added complexity of holidays. I was looking at the second answer to my link as that doesn't either, and the question does link to the simpler one itself, but I'm sure you're right; looking at the question, the simplest answer is going to be the best.
 
@DavidBuck It's not just the holidays. The one with the holidays also wants Saturdays as a result, if the last grace day is a Friday (see last paragraph in the question).
 
@JeanneDark I disagree. OP is not asking for off-site content.
 
The trick of both Questions is to use the datepart() and look at the day of week number, which should be just enough to get the ball rolling on a solution :)
 
@Scratte or possibly datename rather than datepart, which depends on datefirst
Adding a simple tally table to mix, would speed up calculations
 
8:55 AM
@Turing85 "It would be great to see a small example or instruction for using multi-stage planning." is a bit unclear. It's off-topic nonetheless because if they ask for answers providing code it's usually closed as "needs more focus" (too broad)
 
@DhruvJoshi I just noticed that DATEPART(dw, @StartDate) = 1, so I assumed that 1 is a Sunday :) Which if it was my issue would be a "Eureka" moment :)
Samuel is not binary anymore
 
9:11 AM
@Scratte There's plenty of time in the day to get there. :)
 
approx 381 reviews in the CV queue are dupes, which I filtered out. The rest I skipped. i.stack.imgur.com/kAN3U.png
too bad I can't go back and unskip those
 
@SamuelLiew you're getting close to the top 50: heather-eggnog.glitch.me/?userid=584192
 
oooh how is this made? Does it count close votes from outside the queue too?
 
The suggested edits queue is full?
 
@JeanneDark yes.
 
9:24 AM
At least this way I'm not even tempted to try to suggest one
 
@SamuelLiew it is node JS on Glitch: glitch.com/edit/#!/heather-eggnog?path=README.md%3A1%3A0 it uses / subscrubes to the websocket that is on the /review page and then fetches and parses the review card of a user.
 
9:44 AM
@JeanneDark If you want to keep "a perfect record", then only suggest edits on old posts :)
 
@Scratte There are reviewers who reject edits on old posts because they are old.
 
@JeanneDark That's just.. ARGH! There are even badges for this. Consider reporting such rejections.
But I'm collection reasons to not edit, so thank you :)
 
Oh wow, I'm close to the top 50 too. TIL.
Off of almost entirely Android questions...
 
@RyanM đź‘Ť
@tripleee you may want to take a look at socvr.org/tools/userscripts
 
9:59 AM
I'm on mobile, I can't install userscripts in any browser on IOS, though I certainly use several of them on my laptop
 
ok =)
 
I guess it's appropriate to flag non english comment as NLN?
 
@ArghyaSadhu I normally close them with "needs clarity"
 
@Turing85 it's about comment not question or answer
 
@ArghyaSadhu I flag them NLN
 
10:10 AM
@ArghyaSadhu Oh sorry! yes then NLN would be an appropiate flag
 
@Turing85 and @DavidBuck that's what I thought..thanks for confirming
 
 
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11:33 AM
Does this site work for anyone else: v2.gorm.io ?
 
@rene ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
 
@JeanneDark I've done 40 reviews in that queue, hopes that helps a bit to get it cleared.
 
@rene Thank you very much!
 
12:19 PM
@tripleee This can actually be edited. You can move the solution to the answer
 
I don't think it's worth the effort; the "answer" wasn't very good 5 years ago and is definitely obsolete now
 
What's "GMTC"?
 
Give me the code
 
thanks
 
It's not a valid close reason, but most of the time it means that there's no way of knowing which part of the process OP has a problem with. It is often "Can you write the script/app/website/software for me" which covers a multitude of different topics and is too broad as a question on Stack Overflow
 
12:52 PM
Anyone consider this as NAA? OP gives almost no useful information. Main part is linking.
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio What is the question?
 
@Braiam It's a "How to do X" question. Nonetheless I don't see sufficient information in that answer.
 
Hello everyone o/
 
@sideshowbarker Bleh. I missed it was a scraper site. Undeleted
 
Can someone plz check if I'm I right on this decision?
The OP clearly ask for reviewing his code and test it, in my point of view this makes his Q off-topic for SO and on-topic for code review
 
There's two points on directing people to CR. First, it needs to be off-topic here (which pure code review is). Second, it needs to still be MRE for CR
In this case, it doesn't appear to be MRE
 
Thanks @Machavity, it sounds the OP is looking for "Correctness in unanticipated cases"
 
1:21 PM
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio Is X on topic?
 
It looks like it's just a notch above "This doesn't work. Why?", in that they did give us the SQL. But I don't see enough there about what's been done with errors
I would only suggest CR in a comment if it's a blatant "Please review my working code" question
 
@Braiam Yes and No. It lacks details so probably should be closed. But does that matter for the answer whether the question is on-topic or not and merely only links to a solution?
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio Of course it does. Remember, problem questions generate problem answers. An naa is always evaluated against the question.
 
That "is proper or not" makes a bit confusion out there. Thanks @Machavity for cleaning up the comments, and btw congrats I didn't see that you're a mod now :)
 
@Ilyes Thanks :)
 
1:29 PM
@Braiam So no NAA flags on answers for off-topic or need to be closed questions?
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio Deal first with the question, once that's fixed, then go evaluate answers.
@CodeCaster No, it isn't. But if the question will be deleted, the answer will go with it anyway. Trying to delete the answer separately beforehand is just a waste of time, as it takes more effort but doesn't achieve a better result. — user743382 Jun 14 '16 at 7:26
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio basically ^
 
@Braiam The thing is that I don't necessarily want the question to be deleted, just closed. It already got an accepted answer from back in 2017.
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio Closing is the path for deletion. If you don't want a question to be deleted, fix the reasons why it should be closed.
Search the life cycle of a question in the blog. Many things were broken in SE since that was ignored.
 
@tripleee sin't this question a candidate for superuser?
 
1:52 PM
I jus started using the magic editor userscript. I am running in dark mode. Everytime I click the "Fix the content", the text becomes unreadable (white text on white background).

Question: Is this a problem on my end, or do other experience the problem aswell?
 
2:14 PM
@Turing85 you can use this version
 
@double-beep much appreciated
 
While there's the respective is this question not off-topic (general hardware software)?
 
2:41 PM
@Dharman, that sql is nonsense and the link (that you edited out) was a spam, IMO
 
I went with NAA (SD report). Am I too cautious?
 
I went with SPAM
Not sure though
 
I did R/A
 
I guess every flag might be suitable there
 
wen with SPAM aswell
 
2:52 PM
It was spam. Second post by that user
 
@CertainPerformance Usually, MSO is not moderated here
See the FAQ
 
4:14 PM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, SOCVR doesn't moderate Meta Stack Overflow
 
4:30 PM
First SD report: Someone vandalized their question
 
@JeanneDark Thanks for the info! I rolled back the vandalism.
 
Is this question on-topic?
 
@Kulfy Powershell is on-topic so I'd say that fits in the same wheelhouse
 
Fine. Thanks.
 
@Machavity But that's not powershell
 
@Braiam same wheelhouse though
 
5:03 PM
@JohnDvorak Nope, totally different castle
 
@Braiam No, but shells are generally on-topic. We've had that debate before
 
@Machavity No, that's not the same.
Not even near the ballpark. The user is asking where a file resides, the canonical answer of that question resided on SU.
BTW, the questions that the meta post even referenced were also closed.
@Gimby and Glo, remember that everything is conditioned to "and is a practical, answerable problem that is unique to software development" This part of the on topic page is the most important. — Braiam Aug 2 '16 at 21:16
Do I really have to quote myself?
 
5:19 PM
@Braiam No, you don't. You're welcome to take a position, but your frustration appears to be making you border closer on the rude side than normal.
Note: I agree that just general use of a shell/terminal is not on-topic. However, programming tasks in shell scripts are.
 
This doesn't appear to be a programming task though
 
@JohnDvorak I'm not disagreeing with that.
 
@JohnDvorak Exactly!
 
5:58 PM
@Vega The SQL looks almost right to me. I don't know if it actually answers the question and I am too lazy to check but I thought it was a legitimate attempt at answering
 
 
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8:07 PM
I can't find a website with machine learning in SE network. Can u give me a link?
 
@entithat Meta Stack Exchange is the place to ask
Include the text of the question for accurate feedback.
 
@entithat Would Data Science or Artificial Intelligence (ML is a subset of AI) work?
 
@Kulfy I tend to not recommend sites until they have a proper question.
It's like recommending someone to ask on SO for recommendations about which language they should use for their app.
 
@Braiam :P
 
8:45 PM
It's a duplicate of another duplicate
 
 
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9:50 PM
Another one of @Machavity long lost cousins.
 
@bad_coder VtC as a duplicate!
 
@AdrianMole You're closing Machavity? :D
 
@AdrianMole M4urice is also a long lost cousin :D
 
What to do when someone posts an error message.. and the entire error is not in English?
 
@Scratte Alas - I don't have a Mjolnir in the [moderator] tag. :-)
 
9:58 PM
@AdrianMole not dup!! Only one cousin is on the mod tag.
 
10:18 PM
Sometimes spam audits will show the spam post in Triage. Other times it just shows this. What gives?
 
10:28 PM
@Turing85 Request for duplicate should have the first linked post be the post to be closed :) I'm pretty sure the URRS userscript gets confused if the first one is the target. Also, you do not need to post the target, since the target will be in a comment on the post to be closed :)
 
@Scratte hm I just put the link in the reason-field...
 
@Turing85 Ahh.. the reason will be places before the post to be closed. I'm sure the URRS userscript on your request will show that there are no close votes yet. I noticed the comment on the post does have the "Does this answer your question?", which is enough :)
 
@Scratte I had no close votes left, so this seemed like the only sensible option to communicate the duplicate (although in this instance, it may be superfluous)
 
Else you have to post your request and then edit your chat-message to get it as the second linked post. I used to post them like this [cv-pls] duplicate <link> dup of: <target-link>. Until someone told me to just post the link of the post to be closed.
@Turing85 There is already a close vote on it :)
 
@Scratte the vote was casted after I have posted it here ;)
 
10:41 PM
@Turing85 I see. I did not notice that.. oops :) I'm not sure how it works with the cleanup of old message. I think the cleanup also only looks at the first one and selects the request to be moved based on the status of that one only. But maybe a Room Owner can shed light on that.
 
11:35 PM
@Scratte @Turing85 Not quite. For closure as duplicate, the scripts handle any order of links just fine, as long as the post which is being requested ends up actually closed as a duplicate of all questions in the request which the user doesn't want closed. It's the humans that get confused by link order. In general, we prefer that dup-targets are not linked in requests.
Dup-targets belong either as something you've used as a dup-target when voting or flagging for closure, and/or in a comment on the question, which is were everyone is trained to look for them, due to the automatic comments placed by the system. Basically, if you're only including the dup-target in requests here, then anyone that sees the question organically isn't going to know you think it's a duplicate.
@Scratte In order to consider a request "complete" both the Archiver and URRS require that all posts linked in the request message have the requested action performed (where that's possible; e.g. it's not possible to close an answer), with the minimal exception that if the request is a cv-pls and a linked question is closed as a duplicate (and not deleted), then the actual dup-targets of that closed question are removed from consideration.
Note that this means that if you are posting a cv-pls and also linking a dup-target (please don't), then the scripts will be confused when: A) the question you want closed is closed for some reason other than being a duplicate; B) the question you want closed is closed as a duplicate and the question you linked as a dup-target is not in the dup-target list for the now-closed question; C) the question you want closed is deleted; C) the question you want closed is locked; D) etc.
 

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