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12:06 AM
Is this comment rude, or is there something going on between these folks that I'm not party to? It's from a high-rep user.
 
There was complaints about the closer on meta yesterday, I'm not sure I'd call the comment rude, but that's because nobody uses the word evil like that where I'm from so I read it as being in jest. I'm not convinced it's needed though.
 
Whatever the colloquial use of the term, it comes across (to me, at least) as passive-aggressive, or worse.
 
I'm pretty sure a U/U flag would be approved if you flagged as such
Approved? Acknowledged? Marked helpful? Whichever you prefer :)
 
12:26 AM
Yeah, that needed to go away
My general rule of thumb is things attacking other people are not OK
 
I definitely would've gone U/U my rude threshold is quite high though, even a comment targeting me saying toxic and lacking manners and etiquette I went U/U instead of rude (I think I did anyway)
 
@Machavity Thanks for spotting and handling that! I was going to leave it as an 'open question' in here for a while, to see if you or Makyen came across it. If it was still there when I head off to the Land of Nod, I would probably have flagged it as either U/U or NLN.
 
Fun fact: enough HBA or UU flags and there's an auto-flag on the user for followup. So there's not really much difference there, just as with red flags. But HBA are far less common
If it's really obvious, go HBA. UU gets cluttered with everything from troublesome comments to people leaving helpful canned comments the poster didn't like
 
Oh right, comment high prio flag is HBA now, I've still been calling it R/A...
 
I had to think for a while there to decipher HBA.
 
12:34 AM
I got to hateful, b............, abuse, had to go check to find out I got 1/3
 
Anyway - just hit my first 10,000 in a review queue ... so I'll call it in, for now. The other queues will just have to wait!
 
@AdrianMole Congrats!
 
@AdrianMole There should be a platinum badge...
 
My intention is to make my way to 6k suggested edits then have a sit away from SO for a while, getting tired
 
Suggested Edits (which is likely to be my next 10K) is the hardest work, IMHO.
 
12:37 AM
I'm at 5789 atm...
 
@AdrianMole I assume you mean "Ignoring H&I, suggested edits ..." :)
 
What's H&I :p I thought there was only 7 queues
 
@Makyen Ah! Now that you reminded me of that wonderful queue! Yes, that's the hardest, by far.
... still yet to earn the Silver Badge, for that one.
 
@Nick Well, thanks to Sam there pretty much is :P
 
hehe
 
12:40 AM
@AdrianMole Yeah, I'm OK with (mostly) just forgetting about H&I. OTOH, it does make for a good queue to run through if you're looking for closable questions. :;
 
I've noticed a lot of posts in the Reopen Queue that had the "Mark of Sam's Hammer" on them, in recent days. :-)
 
@Makyen I thought its primary purpose was to find flaggable triage reviews :p
 
Wow. H&I had one question, and it was actually editable. So there really is a Santa Claus use for that queue after all!
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@Nick :)
 
@Machavity The problem is they're all editable... They just shouldn't be edited... Anyone getting the gold bade in there isn't making good enough use of the link button to flag questions...
 
12:43 AM
@Machavity That's unusual. I'm usually able to get a lot of close votes in by going through that queue. :;
 
IKR
 
Oof, all the phone typos in that message, bade -> badge, flag -> flag/vote
 
I wouldn't mind a Gold Bade ... they're probably worth a few bucks.
 
I'd rather a gold spade, might help with the shovelling
 
I have a diamond shovel...
 
12:47 AM
... for shovelling sh..?
 
Pretty much. Or hitting people over the head. Although they complain about the smell afterward
 
Is that a Charlie and the Chocolate factory reference?,🎵I've got a diamond shovel 🎵
 
Catija and the Sockpuppet Factory. Short book tho. She bans everyone in the end
 
Sounds even better than winning a chocolate factory
 
With creepy singing midgets...
 
12:53 AM
Geez mac it's 2020, they're called dwarves now :p
 
I appreciated that reminder of how the Gene Wilder one was far superior to the Johnny Depp one
 
Yeah, Wilder's Oompa Loompas were superior. I had to give him that
But Wilder's adds a scene that changes the whole meaning of the book. I disliked that
 
That said, the squirrels in the Depp one weren't CGI, they did actually train squirrels for that scene
 
1:29 AM
I just discovered that they renamed comment flags... again, and took out spam!?
 
@Braiam Been that way for a while
 
@Machavity Goes to show how little I've needed to use them.
 
 
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4:58 AM
And if someone can reject the pending edit in this question ^^
 
 
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6:51 AM
Should I re-post my request by swapping question link and reason? Is that still considered valid syntax here. Does the sequence matter?
 
@AmitJoshi No the format is fine. See the FAQ
 
@JeanneDark Ok; thanks.
 
@Makyen 👍
 
@JeanneDark As mentioned in FAQ, "The first bit creates a tag layout, the close reason is there so the other members know what you think the correct reason is and finally the complete URL so the members can click on it." and also "The format is a bit strict because" I think my formatting is wrong. Not sure how will it affect the "archiver script". I will be careful next time for sure; not sure what to do now.
 
7:06 AM
AFAICT the main thing really is to have the proper tag at the front, which you have
 
@AmitJoshi I'm not sure it's so problematic in case of a reopen-request (what you cite is for close voting, in which case you want to let other people know how you voted. With reopen requests there's only one way to vote)
 
Ok; thank you both...
 
7:25 AM
Is it just me or the review queues are filling up... like nobody is reviewing anymore...
 
@DalijaPrasnikar That's just you. The review queue are lower than they have been for a while, except from First Posts :) The Close Vote queue is lower than 2K now. H&I is basically empty and so is the Low Quality Posts queue :)
 
CV is down only because Samuel Liew is going through it like crazy. Reopen was usually below 150. I don't remember about others, but they do seem pretty high
 
Ahh.. I think perhaps some of the posts from the Close Vote queue may have been.. inaccurately? closed?
Or just edited.. :)
The only high one is First Posts. But it's seen a lot worse. I remember it being over 2K a few months ago. It goes a little up and down. But everyone has a binding review in it, so I don't think it's a problem yet.
 
Maybe reopen is filling up because more questions are closed, but if you look at current review numbers there is very little people maxing out their votes. I know it is early today, but it is like that for several days, now (even later in the day)
 
I'll check them later on the day then :) I've seen multiple users doing over 40 on Triage every day at the end of the day though.
 
7:35 AM
One of the reasons I am asking, is that I am doing less reviews because line spacing is very distractive (no I am not going to install user script). I tried for a while, but I am seriously slowing down... at the same time queues started to fill up... so I wonder if there is any connection
 
^^ SD reports Spam
 
@JeanneDark these comments are of limited utility; are you sure you don't simply want to apply for SD privileges in this room?
 
Sorry for that
 
I mean feedback in MS would be useful if you are going to provide it anyway
 
7:52 AM
@DalijaPrasnikar I think you can fix the line spacing with stylus. No need for a user script. TylerH has a fix for it here
 
8:03 AM
I expected to be notified when a closed post I'm following was reopened; but that's apparently not how it works
what's your expectation?
 
@JeanneDark thanks, definitely upvoted
 
8:27 AM
Should this question be deleted (I already voted, but having a second thought) ? stackoverflow.com/q/54489103/5468463
 
@Scratte Heh... what is the difference? Again it requires installing some crap I never asked for ;)
 
@DalijaPrasnikar I suppose one is just an extension. The other is an extension & a script :)
I didn't check to see the meta post about line spacing though. So I don't know if they plan to roll it back.
 
I prefer company fix the thing they broke in the name of inclusiveness. If they want to be inclusive and supportive then they should cater for all. That also means ability to customize things that might have impact on readability.
I don't think they will revert anything. For the rest we can only hope for... but I am not hoping too much.
 
It would be optimal if users would stop using things if they do not like the way they are. That would have a sure impact on the decision making. But most users accept that they cannot change anything and work with it despite the difficulties. Others make workarounds. And the result is that the decision makers think they're making great decisions.
 
I plan to bounty this indefinitely... (with some pauses, in between) meta.stackexchange.com/q/353536/313443
 
8:41 AM
I noticed there is no "status-review" on that. Which I take to mean "You may discuss the issue, but it's not getting implemented"
 
edit of closed post by close voter still pushes the post to the front page, doesn't it?
 
Yep... way too long if you ask me... even though "status-review" would not mean much... it can stick there forever...
 
Another good example is Filtering to avoid need to overuse Skip in Triage, Low Quality Posts, et al and Why is there no filter in triage review? where the Answer even says "Triage reviewing requires less domain specific knowledge than other types of reviews" which isn't true.
Unless one just close votes everything (expect audtis) in the queue, one is actually much more likely to get suspended by picking the wrong choice there than in any other queue. As a result this is on my history. And I will most certainly not touch the queue after I get the badge, if I don't give up even before that.
 
9:29 AM
@Machavity rough estimate: if SO has 20mil questions, and H&I made over 200k reviews, it impacted 1% of the final product. Makes sense that SE wants quality control over what tend to be noob Q's.
 
Triage has currently 9,747,428 reviews. I expect those are not posts, but reviews. At a minimum it needs 3 reviewers to make an outcome, at a maximum 7 reviewers. I'd guess the average is 4. So that's about 2.5 million posts. So the percentage of posts ending up in Help and Improvement seems to be closer to 8% of the posts able to end there.
 
@Scratte that's a good sum up. Anything around 5% is high impact.
 
10:12 AM
Any else a bit dissatisfied with the "ignore this user (everywhere)" feature? It seems to still shows the user in the present-user list, but as a smaller icon. Making it look quite silly and the tiny-icon is still moving to the front on interactions with the chat.
 
10:43 AM
 
@Adriaan Yeah, MS endpoint works then stops working. MS fixed that in the past, so it's their responsibility fixing it again github.com/microsoftgraph/aspnet-webhooks-rest-sample/issues/9
 
Any reason why this bash Question would not be OK?
 
@Scratte there is no reason.
 
@rene Wellllll.... it could do with a tidy up :p
 
@Nick sure
 
10:58 AM
@rene Thank you :) I wondered since someone picked Unsalvageable.
@Nick Isn't that just tiny details? Or would you rephrase it completely?
 
@Scratte Just tiny details :) Capitalize part of the title, un-indent the code, make "the file is ipsweep.sh when i run it show me this" read better
 
Ah.. ok. I didn't try to send it to the Help & Improvement queue though, as I don't touch the "Please ban me from review" button :D
 
@Scratte I tried/tested the ignoring feature and the user's avatar disappeared from the list along with all the messages. Which one is the 'present-user list'? One on the right side?
 
11:13 AM
@Vega Yes. The list of users present in chat on the right sidebar. This is a screen shot where I tested it on you (It's just a test :) While all your messages went away, the tiny-version-avatar is still there in the list.
 
@Scratte It happened that I choose a user who, albeit the recent message, was no more really in the room, but the avatar was still in the list. So I confirm what you said for the present users :(
 
@Vega I understand that an icon still needs to be there, so that one can undo the ignoring :) But I find it a little strange (read: irritating) that the avatar moves like normal. Instead of looking like it's sitting idle at the end of the list :)
 
@Scratte The end of the list is hidden, unless you have it expanded, if you've got a couple hundred people in a chat room then having at the end would be quite annoying :p
 
@Nick Why? If you're ignoring someone, why would you not want their avatar to be seemingly inactive?
 
@Scratte So I can spy on them?
 
11:27 AM
@Nick Huh?.. If you want to know what they're saying, why ignore them? :D
 
@Scratte Yes, I understand the same and agree with the proposal :)
 
Tbf, the only person I have ignored has not spoken in >150 days
 
Maybe you want to reply to somebody but ignore their replies to you?
 
@AdrianMole More accurate than you could possibly imagine...
 
@AdrianMole How can you "reply" to someone if you cannot see their messages? :) Besides while you ignore someone, they're not in your tab-list of pingable users.
 
11:30 AM
@Scratte Because you can see their avatar.
... and can I ignore myself? That would save me all sorts of problems. :-)
 
Still don't understand why you want to be able to reply to someone that you're ignoring and hence cannot see a single message from.
 
If you have my ChatImprovements script, ignored users have a strikethrough instead like this i.stack.imgur.com/8MFYp.png
 
@AdrianMole Nope.. unless it's one of your socks ;)
 
@SamuelLiew Well of course I'm the guinea pig
 
Maybe Sam has a script that helps? Don't know, 'cos I'm ignoring him.
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11:31 AM
:D
 
11:56 AM
 
What is the difference from writing "I downvoted this", "-1" and "This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful" in a comment?
 
Why writing any of that at all?
 
I've the last one on a post just now. I find your point is valid :)
 
@Scratte The first 2 should be flagged NLN, the last one should be replied to telling a user to flag/vote to close and then flag as NLN
 
Is "-1" long enough to even be a comment?
 
11:59 AM
No
 
@AdrianMole Fair enough.. change it to "-1. I didn't like this."
 
How about, "(int)(0xFFFFFFFF)"?
 
#define int unsigned int wait what?
 
@AdrianMole I suppose int is not the default of our preferred strange language :D
 
12:46 PM
 
@AdrianMole Isn't that an implementation specific behavior?
 
I thought this question lacked details or clarity or maybe debugging details. Am I wrong?
 
Zoe
@JeanneDark No MCVE
 
1:44 PM
Yeah, I went NAA
 
2:12 PM
@Adriaan That was funny tbh, he insisted :D
 
is there a deadline for when you can cv-pls something a second time? I think I already reported this but the OP is just digging themselves deeper into "needs focus"
 
@tripleee Why was it reopened?
 
@tripleee Yeah, yesterday
 
@Braiam really good question; the timeline says remain closed x2 but reopen x3
 
Re a second time, we have a rule about allowing a single re-post of aged requests, dunno if it applies to making a second request on something that was actioned
 
2:21 PM
@tripleee I'm not a big fan of our transcript showing evidence that we did everything possible to get / keep a post in a state we preferred while the broader community ruled otherwise.
 
@rene sorry, I didn't realize it had been reopened actually
I notice now that I can't vote to close again so probably at least wait for that to expire ...
 
@tripleee yeah, that seems wise
 
@tripleee You were one of the original closers, you only get your vote back in the event that your vote ages away, not if it resulted in a closure
 
@Nick ah yes, of course -- thanks for doing my thinking for me (-:
 
@tripleee technically speaking it doesn't look like we have codified that in a rule. I broadly put it under the category Be responsible with moderation requests.
I'm not going to write down what that means.
 
3:50 PM
 
Is Package Python3.7 is not available on-topic since they need that for programming, I guess?
 
Panic! Oh, we're back
 
Did we go down?
 
@Nick for me it looked like that, yeah
 
Does this comment make sense?
 
4:02 PM
@Kulfy Yes, although it's not needed
 
I mean does it really make Q on-topic for SO? I don't think it's related to programming in any way.
 
That I do not know :p
 
4:30 PM
@Kulfy It's about software packaging, specifically their software and how it interacts with debian policy about packaging. It is in the same ballpark of creating msi, rpm.
Although, it seems that the package is something they don't control... so...
 
5:05 PM
I am writing a feature request for follow notifications to apply to rollbacks too. Just to confirm, was there ever a notification if you followed a post in the past?
 
5:24 PM
@Dharman Doesn't that just count as an edit? You do get follow notifications for edits. Are you sure you don't get one for a rollback?
 
@Makyen I am pretty sure. Do you want to test it out?
 
@Dharman Sounds like a good idea to do so prior to posting a meta.
 
Ok, let's try on Meta. Follow my answer and I will roll back once you are following meta.stackexchange.com/a/350661/515960
 
@Dharman OK. Following
 
I rolled it back. Did you get a notification?
 
5:30 PM
@Dharman It doesn't look like it. Try a regular edit, just to verify that I'm actually getting notifications for it. You're supposed to for edits (I have some in my inbox), but just to check it's working on that answer.
 
Edited now, but I am pretty sure it was working for edits.
 
@Dharman Yep. I got the notification for the edit, but not the rollback.
 
In rollback wars it would be useful to get the notification too.
Should I post on meta.se or meta.so?
 
Your pick.
 
5:42 PM
How likely is a user to be pulled into a red room for voting on the same users post on meta?
 
Red room? What is that?
 
@Dharman Private room for when a moderator wants to talk to you. I call is a red room, since the border around the textfield is red there.. or at least it used to be.
 
They're not red. At least the ones I was in were not red
 
5:59 PM
@Dharman I expect they are not red anymore. Chromium made some changes overwriting the border set by Stack.
Does anyone understand why this php Question are getting "Unsalvageable" in triage?
 
PHP is unsalvageable by design :)
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I see no flags or CVs on that post ... but I'm out of quota, so maybe I'm not allowed to see. (Normally, if there's even 1 flag or CV on a Q, then I'll see that in the CV popup.)
 
6:15 PM
@AdrianMole There are no close votes on it. There is a flag though.
 
Do you have the link to the review?
 
But that wasn't my question. I see a Question that's OK. I'm wondering if I'm missing something.
I did.. I think it's in my Skip-list.
 
Looks OK to me, but I'm no SME in the People-Help-People tag.
... I haven't done a Triage review in months. Spend most of my CVs in FP, these days ... no doubt sending stuff into Triage.
 
Here's the review. I've picked "I may die on the mountain" button now.
 
OK. Maybe (as per first comment) it's because it's a re-post of a self-deleted identical question?
... but that just defers your original question, I know.
 
6:24 PM
The comments also tell a story that it's not the same Question, but a spin off.. in which case even if the other wasn't deleted, I'm assuming it would not be a duplicate.
 
Like I say, I'm no SME. Just trying (and failing) to offer a perspective. (Also dealing with having my laptop actually on my lap ... got sent to a "low table" corner in the local vendor of yeast supernatant.)
 
yeast supernatant? Do they use yeast when making beer?
I guess if I made a mistake, I'll have to try to do something else in my life too :D
 
Saccharomyces cerevisiae - my Favourite Fungus! :-)
 
6:48 PM
@Dharman Gimme some del-pls, pls ... no have de powerz to help ze cv-pls.
 
lol
 
.hehe
Slow down, young man! Old-men-in-beer-country. xD
That last SD report looks like spam, to me. Not 100% sure, though - is it relevant?
... nah, it's spam.
 
7:28 PM
I got serially upvoted twice today. That's a nice change.
 
@Dharman Two doesn't make a pattern :)
 
@AdrianMole Did you see "no country for old man"?
 
8:28 PM
@bad_coder No! I just made up the (poor) pun ab initio.
@πάνταῥεῖ Controversial, for sure ... but I'm with you on that one.
... although "Needs details..." may have been a better close reason?
 
@AdrianMole You missed out then :) Unless you're more of a Grumpy old men ;)
 
I bought a hat (not actually a Stetson, but an Aussie equivalent) at the time... got lots of 'stick' from my so-called pals, for that one.
@Scratte I'm neither "grumpy" (POB) nor "old". "Man" ... debatable.
 
@AdrianMole That's what I originally used, and hence posted my comment.
Can't speak for the 2 others.
 
Fair do's.
 
8:44 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Are you wanting the question, the answer or the comment deleted? You've linked to a comment on the answer, so what you want done isn't clear. Feel free to re-post with a link to what you really are requesting be deleted.
 
Closed is closed ... but, for the benefit of the larger community (and OP), maybe it would be nice if Gold Badge taggers could edit the close reason?
 
@Makyen I want the quesiton to be deleted of course, otherwise I wouldn't have asked here.
@AdrianMole That's new to me?
 
New to me, also ... just a suggestion. (I make such cheeky requests, from time to time.)
... mods can do it (of course), but only by reopening and then re-closing. Could save a lot of effort if there were an actual way to do it.
@Makyen 2:2 on reopen:delete needs an SME, rather than a diamond, IMHO. (No offence.)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't see why you wouldn't post a del-pls for an answer. That's definitely a type of request which we support (assuming it's an otherwise valid request). If your link was to a comment on the question, then it would have been moderately reasonable for people to assume you wanted the question deleted. By linking to a comment on the answer, the more reasonable assumption would be the post on which the comment existed (i.e. the answer).
 
@Makyen ty, good to know.
 
8:52 PM
I took the request to be for the question, even though the link may have been a bit off.
 
@AdrianMole I'm not clear as to what you are trying to state here. It feels like you went off on a tangent. The discussion hasn't, so far, been about SME/moderator. My asking for @πάνταῥεῖ to clarify their request was because they linked to a comment on the answer, but their text implied that the question was probably what they meant. Thus, the request wasn't clear and should be clarified. As I explicitly said, they are welcome to post a request which is clear as to what they are requesting.
 
@AdrianMole Oops, yes. My wrong. I didn't mean to link the comment. That was unintended.
 
@Makyen OK. Sorry for getting 'all worked up'. It's a subject I am quite concerned with and I definitely went "off on a tangent."
 
np. Stuff happens.
 
Never seen a community manager do the review queues before :O
 
9:04 PM
@Scratte If you're talking about Yaakov ... he's not a CM.
 
@AdrianMole I was. If now a Community Manager, then what?
 
He's staff, for sure. But well higher up the ladder than mere Community Manager status. Maybe a dev?
 
@Scratte A developer. One out of 1 or 2.
 
... that's Catija now looking for a reason to suspend me! :-)
 
He isn't expected to work the queues, regardless. So kudos.
 
9:06 PM
But, if he wants to contribute, why should he not?
 
@AdrianMole Ah.. I may have misunderstood "Community Advocate". I'm also not aware of the ladder.. :(
 
@AdrianMole Of course. But he deserves respect for it.
 
@AndrasDeak He's currently leading the effort to revamp the whole review queue UX. So, maybe he wanted to get his feet wet?
 
Yeah
 
@AdrianMole I was merely surprised. Pleasantly so. I didn't expect to see it and I noticed the avatar, that's all :) I guess I was a little impressed.
 
9:09 PM
As was I!
 
Although I'll get a little worried if the next queue is Triage.. we don't want to review-suspend staff :D
 
Sam can (try to) offer him a Review Vacation. xD
... I double dare you to report one of his reviews in Sam's room.
 
9:25 PM
@AdrianMole I'm not really prone to being fearful of anything other than declined flags.
I just tested that one can "hack" the number of reviews done in a day to be above the maximum value. I just did my 41st review today on triage, and while it registers the flag, it doesn't register the review. Not even in the history list.
 
@Scratte Two tabs open at the same time? If so, it's been reported on Meta, somewhere.
 
@AdrianMole 4 actually.. I just wanted to see what would happen.
 
Somebody reported the bug, so they fixed it to not credit to your review history score. (I think maybe Yaakov was involved, even?)
 
Can I ping you in the Ministry? :)
@AdrianMole So.. do you think the duplicate on this c# Question is wrong? :)
 
9:47 PM
@Scratte I'm not sure. At first glance, it looks like a dupe; but then, on close inspection there is a specific (and separate) question. But I'm no C# Guru. (Yaakov's other two reviews were 100% correct, though!)
 
@AdrianMole I'm not sure either.. but I couldn't let your challenge just go :D
 
BTW - You can ping wherever and whenever you like. But, in the immediate future, you're unlikely to get a reply ... The Land of Nod summons me.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Fixed it a bit (you had [tag:delv-ols])
 
:) I knew there would be something wrong. Ty.
 
10:08 PM
Does this question seem on-topic?
 
@Machavity The question is "Make an url clickable by any pdf reader" to which the anwer is "just put the bare url without any hackery"
BTW, what platform is the user using for creating the pdf?
Latex for example, has ways with this to present equivalent of clickable text which isn't an url
\href{url}{Fancy text}
Of course "Fancy text" may be anything. An image, text, or any other element.
 
10:42 PM
 
@Machavity I think it’s not really about programming. Instead, it’s about taking an interactive document that’s designed to be used in a non-Web runtime (Acrobat Reader) and expecting that it’ll be fully usable on the web. I think any programmers who Adobe-specialized JavaScript features already know full well those features won’t work in a web/browser context. I reckon it’s pretty well documented.
 
@sideshowbarker I was leaning that way but wasn't sure enough to pull the trigger
 
Yeah I don’t think we’d be losing anything if that question were closed
…or gone
 
@sideshowbarker It's using pdfill, which seems not actually designed for javascript control pdfill.com/faq.html
 
11:27 PM
I noticed a couple of dozen active users all stopped logging in at 3rd September. Is there some part of the world where people go on holidays around that time? Maybe coinciding with the school calendar?
 
now this question is asking about SEO....
 

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