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9:00 AM
@CodyGray I don't have access to queues. I just have the main page open with no restrictions (all "interesting" questions) and from time to time I refresh and have a look.
 
:-( That's what I was afraid of.
How are you seeing so much garbage?
I mean, I'm more than happy that you're helping us to get rid of it. But for your sake, and for the sake of other relatively new users like you, it's very concerning that you're having to trek through sludge so often.
 
Well, I just opened the tag this morning with the motivation to answer one or two questions, and encountered a wall of downvoted, low-quality and closed questions...
@MarcoBonelli The described checksum algorithm is very weird. To be honest, after spending 10 minutes on that I still don't understand it. It certainly doesn't match the one in the accepted answer
 
@CodyGray No one should have to.
 
Turns out OP has posted it on two sites
(I search for the algorithm on Google and got these three results)
 
9:14 AM
@janw That's also the exact same answer, isn't it?
 
@JeanneDark Yes, it is
And the same was also posted on Software Engineering SE
 
@Dharman Unclear
 
@CodyGray re: "How are you seeing so much garbage?" - out of 21 Q on the homepage right now I see 5/16 well/badly written, 6/4/6/5 garbage/bad/borderline/valid... I don't think that's so uncommon.
 
^ I mean, I am surprised there's a way to avoid seeing the garbage
 
@Dharman Needs details or clarity
 
9:19 AM
@Dharman Just filter to Haskell questions only
 
@janw interesting findings. I also unfortunately have no idea what that checksum is about, otherwise I would have improved the question since it feels like it's been helpful for quite a while.
 
@MarcoBonelli Yeah, I guess the answer at Software Engineering SE gives some insight in what this all is about. To be honest, I am not sure how to handle this :/
 
and now that I've found another voting fraud case at 2am, it's bedtime...hopefully this one will still be apparent in the morning, since I actually flagged this one. Last time I "found" one while tired I couldn't find the evidence again when I went to flag it the next day.
 
@RyanM you made me edit my data query out of curiosity and wow, Haskell rocks here on SO...
 
@MarcoBonelli Every Haskell question I've seen in close vote review was a Leave Open audit
 
9:23 AM
Amazing
 
*starts learning Haskell*
 
I actually have a learning-Haskell book... Learn You a Haskell for Great Good!
 
:D
 
@RyanM Wait, what?
Is the book's title really that grammatically atrocious?
Was it a gag gift?
 
I've also been recommended that book from multiple people :o
 
9:26 AM
@CodyGray Yes. And no, I bought it myself. It's actually a legit book...
 
@RyanM ...why?
 
@CodyGray I wanted to learn Haskell. For great good.
 
What about the one at SoftEng.SE? As far as I know, cross-site merges aren't a thing, right?
 
If anything, that's mod work.
 
9:28 AM
@janw +1, that seems like as clear a self-dupe as any...
 
Closing 11600673 as dupe of 10947717 makes a lot of sense to me. The latter should also probably be edited to make it clear.
 
If you think there's something suspicious going on in terms of voting or cross-site posting, then you need to raise a mod flag.
 
@MarcoBonelli I already spent some time on that question, the algorithm is very weird, and does not match the one in the self-answer
Ok, then I will just mod flag :)
 
If you don't think there's anything suspicious, but you think that the questions on SO should be deleted because it's already asked on Software Engineering, then you can let me know and I'll do it. But I don't want to discuss suspicions about users in here.
 
Since they have the exact same title, it's not a good signpost (closing as duplicate). Maybe merge, if you think that other user's one-line answer is worth preserving, else...
 
9:33 AM
I don't think that there is anything suspicious here. Just wondering how this can be cleaned up, while preserving potentially helpful content
 
@MarcoBonelli Those are both bad. They don't even specify the actual context for calculating the checksum but the way the questions are written implies there's only one possible way, everywhere. There is no single algorithm for calculating a checksum. There are lots of ways to do it. How it's done in a particular environment depends on what was chosen as the algorithm in the standard you're trying to meet.
 
Proposal to rename this chatroom to SO Cody Gray Reviewal.
 
@CodyGray To expand a bit on my answer. Even a lot of the questions I don't bring up here are not so great. Sometimes, even without knowing the language I'm able to spot the mistake or by a simple google search. But yeah, it's not very ... uplifting.
 
@Makyen true. The fact the second one has 15 upvotes makes me think it was useful at least some though. It surely needs to be more well defined, maybe that's too much work? Deleting it seems a waste.
 
@E_net4wantsyoutolearn Now we need to review Cody? And when we're done, we need SO Cody Gray Revival ;)
 
9:39 AM
@E_net4wantsyoutolearn I'm picturing one of those dramatic movie trailers where they introduce the star of the movie... "Cody Gray is... the SO Close Vote Reviewer"
 
@MarcoBonelli I created a mod flag to address the SoftEng SE issue. For the question here, I would tend to merge and then close as "needs clarity". This way the content is preserved.
 
@JeanneDark Well, the other way around. The place where Cody Gray reviews us.
 
@janw Kinda makes sense. I wonder if that's just going to pass review and be reopened...
 
There's too much! Even for me!
 
@MarcoBonelli They at least need an edit. It might be possible to get enough context from the Software Engineering question/answer, but right now I consider them harmful in that they imply to a naive user that there's one and only one generic way to calculate a checksum, which is just very wrong.
 
9:42 AM
@Makyen So you're saying either make a substantial edit or delete. That makes sense.
 
sundays are the worst, nothing but crap questions
 
@MarcoBonelli We could use the information from the SoftEng answer and edit the title to "Calculate checksum for LIS frames"
 
@janw appending "LIS" doesn't add any info imho
 
It indicates what kind of checksum it is
 
Well, it does show that the question is not about a "general" checksum
 
9:48 AM
@MarcoBonelli It adds some, and at least reduces the context, a bit.
 
(LIS stands for Laboratory Information System - but I am not an expert there)
 
If I flag an answer as NAA and it's later deleted then undeleted, the flag is marked "helpful" but does the post still exist in the review queue?
 
@VLAZ No. It will be removed from the queue shortly after being deleted.
 
OK, so what can be done in that case? Flag as NAA again?
 
@VLAZ Yes, but you won't be able to flag as such a second time. That is the sort of situation where you are permitted to make a request in SOCVR for a NAA/VLQ flag (i.e. when it's not possible for you to do it yourself).
 
9:57 AM
Googling "LIS checksum" doesn't yield anything. "LIS frames checksum" at least does return something.
 
I have edited the question.
...and added the sample frame from the dupe.
 
@janw Blockquote format for the "explanation" is probably correct, as it's likely quoting the spec, even though the OP doesn't provide attribution.
 
@Makyen Oh, you are right. I will change it back
 
10:20 AM
 
So, to wrap this up, a general question: How are we supposed to handle old cross-site posts? Just flag for mod attention?
I can not find specific guidance for that on meta
 
10:44 AM
@janw Re flagging for mod attention, it wouldn't require immediate intervention by a moderator so may end up declined.
 
No
That's fine to flag
If you want it deleted, that's a valid flag. It just needs to be something actionable by a moderator.
What I was saying before was in the context of Meta: flags aren't a way to escalate feature or support requests to moderators.
 
I ... hadn't a chance to click close ....
 
Ok, thanks for clarifying :)
 
I'm working on modifications to a userscript, otherwise I'd keep up with the transcript and know what you were talking about
 
@CodyGray Thanks for clarifying, I was just thinking of our earlier conversation about flagging that old funny answer.
 
10:51 AM
I...don't entirely remember that, but probably what I was saying is that a NAA flag is sufficient there?
 
Sorry, I had forgotten to add the link
 
Ah. So... flagging the answer as NAA would have been appropriate.
I was thinking of how you could flag the question, and there's not really an appropriate flag for it, since it's already been closed.
A custom flag requesting deletion of a question needs to have a good reason, like the question is causing actual harm.
(I hate making rules for how to flag.)
(Just flag whatever seems like it needs to be freakin' flagged, and don't obsess over how it gets dismissed.)
 
Okay, I will keep that in mind!
 
@CodyGray (why are you talking in parenthesis?)
 
It was to reflect a change of pace... I was going on trying to explain/make up some kind of consistent rules, then I realized that was going nowhere.
 
10:58 AM
but.. it does make for a new interpretation of talking with lisp.. or lisping..
 
Thut up.
Hmm, that... was not meant to be offensive.
 
I think it pretty clearly a joke.. don't worry :) It made me smile..
 
Well, I was just kind of curious what was deemed offensive about it. Whether someone thought I was actually telling you in a rude way to stop talking, or if someone thought it was insensitive toward people with a speech impediment.
 
Huh? Someone flagged it?
 
yes
Cody can not chat now for 30 minutes ...
 
11:05 AM
You mean I'll actually get some work done?
Ah, no.
 
@rene It's clearly not working though :D
 
Nope, we need to do better ;)
 
Interestingly, it doesn't show me the identity of the flagger. I suppose that's because it was my own comment that was flagged? Because I think it normally shows that to diamond mods. That's a pretty nice touch, to be honest.
 
Find lots of suspected voting fraud.. that will keep Cody busy ;)
I was certainly not me that flagged it.. even if I talk funny at times. I type funny too..
 
Who doesn't talk funny at times?
Sometimes I just say straight-up nonsense.
 
11:10 AM
Like.. if I just type witout lookin at the words as I type tem, almost all h's and 's are missin.
 
:D
 
I just tried to flag my own message as an anonymous outside user lurking. Did that work?
 
@Scratte I didn't see any flags
I found this answer on MSE, which is interesting and correct, but doesn't answer the actual question, which is whether there's something special that prevents diamond mods from seeing who flagged a chat message when it's their message being flagged. There is some discussion in the comments about it, but it's never resolved. The supposition is opposite from what I just saw
In unrelated news, someone just deleted their question out from underneath me using it to test/develop a userscript. So annoying. :-)
 
@CodyGray I didn't really expect that it would work. There's also a clickable star that doesn't do anything.. I would not eliminate that someone tried to start the message and clicked on the flag that on my screen is way to close for comfort.
 
@Scratte How did you actually manage? When I open the chat in a private window, there is no flag UI it all
 
11:20 AM
Indeed... I many times accidentally hit the star when I mean to hit reply.
 
@janw But.. there is :)
 
:D Ok, but that one is not clickable
 
Yeah, none of those are clickable. The cursor doesn't change.
 
I just moved my cursor there and clicked :)
 
Though I would really appreciate a user script that adds bigger buttons in chat
 
11:27 AM
@CodyGray We had that a lot when developing the ability to see the number of close votes on Questions for <3K users. Every time one of us posted a good one with just one vote on it, it was closed 5 seconds later. I stopped posting examples and kept one for almost 2 days :D
 
Well, yeah, you don't post 'em in here and expect 'em to stay hidden.
 
@janw I'd like a user script that removed the flagable option at the end of the message. One place is more than fine.
Hmm.. I can flag my own message for moderator attention..
 
@Scratte Yes, that would a useful change. I am lurking in chat for almost a year now, and never felt the need to flag anything. Better use the space to increase the size of the reply button
 
@Scratte You mean that you want to have to open the drop-down menu on the left?
@Scratte Yeah, people use that to request deletion of it after the 2 minutes or whatever it is that you can self-delete.
Just like you flag your own post. It makes sense.
 
@CodyGray I do not use that a lot.. and frankly I do not mind having to use two clicks to do it.
 
11:31 AM
Yeah, I get that. I was just clarifying.
 
I do not think I've ever flagged a message, but then I do not frequent rooms where that would be necessary either.
@CodyGray Awesome. "Dear moderator. I said something really stupid. I do not want others to refer to my obvious stupidity later on. Please remove."
 
You laugh, but... we get those flags.
 
Are they actually phrased like that? :)
 
Sometimes. Usually not "I said something stupid", but "I revealed confidential/sensitive information"
 
To be honest, if I wanted something removed, I'd probably phrase it somewhat like that. At least to make someone smile :)
 
11:36 AM
I've chatted with someone that managed to get Ruby to segfault, when I asked how did they do that told me that it was "secret"
 
As would/do I
 
Then asked him "then how can the ruby devs fix it?"...
 
I’ve made Python segfault.
 
@Andreas Bug report or didn't happen!
 
I've made C segfault. Is that an achievement? When will the developers fix it?
 
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11:38 AM
@CodyGray You can’t see the identity of any R/A flagger which is what makes those flags so great :)
 
I generally also never delete my messages. If someone wants to see how stupid I was with my first draft, they're welcome.
 
@Daniil Ever? That's...weird.
 
@CodyGray Eh, I would say that you are the developer... fix it.
 
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@CodyGray Yeah (I know this since I’m on a mod on Chat.SE)
 
@Braiam Haha, agreed.
 
11:39 AM
Or are you saying that you made the compiler segfault?
 
Uh, I have also done that...
 
@Braiam Well, no, I didn’t report it. I’ve forgotten how I caused the segfault.
 
Not technically a segfault because it was MSVC on Windows, so they call it something else.
 
@Daniil How does the system prevent spam flagging?
 
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@CodyGray But for the record I was the flagger
 
11:39 AM
I've made R "segfault" in Windows...
 
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@Scratte What do you mean?
 
@Daniil You don't have to admit that, but okay. If you want to explain to me why it's offensive, I'll delete it and learn something. Or we can just move on.
 
@Daniil If no one can know who flagged a message, one user can just flag every single message they see, no?
 
user12867493
@Scratte That would probably be rate-limited
 
Yeah, Scratte is explaining exactly why I'm surprised the information is not made available to mods. Rate limits don't solve this problem, because someone can do it over a long period of time.
 
11:41 AM
@Daniil Hmm.. but that just slows it down.
 
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@CodyGray It wasn’t meant to take a strike at you personally, I found the message rude and since my flag wasn’t binding I flagged it to see what everyone else thought.
 
@Daniil No, of course. I didn't interpret it as a strike at me personally.
 
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@CodyGray Were you the one who cleared it?
 
@Daniil No, of course not. I wouldn't do that.
It got 2 "invalid" votes, and 1 "meh" vote. None of those were my votes.
 
I expect developers can see who flags chat messages, so I guess moderators can escalate if a room gets a lot of strange flagging, though it creates a new 6-8 issue.
Wait.. there's an actually "meh" option for handling a chat flag? :D
 
11:46 AM
Yes. The mod tools call it "meh". The UI calls it "not sure".
And yes, devs can see it, but my understanding is they have to actually query the database in order to be able to see it, which is kind of a pain.
 
Is there also no tracking of who handles them?
 
Mods can't see who voted which way. Again, devs can, but only by querying the database.
Or...even who voted, actually.
 
user12867493
@CodyGray Since when can you see rude flag votes and how do you see them?
 
Can 10K users handle their own flags? Or is that only moderators?
 
@Daniil See Mithical's answer: meta.stackexchange.com/a/303841
It's well-hidden :-)
@Scratte I have no idea. I only started using chat after becoming a moderator.
 
Rob
11:50 AM
@Scratte I don't think 10k users even see the flag if it's on their own message
 
@Rob Room owners definitely do
Would it be different for ROs vs 10k?
 
@CodyGray I wonder what made SE use those conditionals.
 
/s/SE/balpha
 
@CodyGray -e expression #1, char 4: unknown command: `S'
 
@Rob Not sure if that is good or bad. At least if they can see it, they know someone is not really happy about what was said.
But then.. if someone raises a flag on one of my messages, I'd have no idea. Unless I get taken to a red room or something..
 
user12867493
12:20 PM
I have some evidence Jon Skeet committed voting fraud
 
@Daniil Does he serial voted? :D
 
user12867493
@Vega Maybe
 
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Probably not
 
My grammar needs a huge improvement :(
 
@Vega So does mine, even though I've been learning English for more than a decade :D
 
12:36 PM
Eh, don't beat yourself over grammatical errors, I've known actual EFL that make them... because english is weird.
 
EFL?
 
English first language.
 
@Braiam It is indeed, you write lots of letters but pronounce only some of them. What a waste
 
Ok, I got a bit confused when googling it :D
The good thing about English is that it allows some "wobbliness" in terms of sentence structure and grammar
 
@janw Well, there it goes my TLA for that concept...
 
12:44 PM
NES? Native English Speaker(s)?
 
@CodyGray Nintendo Entertainment System for me.
 
@janw So it is not too obvious when I happen to write germ-ish from time to time ;)
TLA? ....
 
@janw Three Letter Acronym
 
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@janw Who still uses Google?
 
@Daniil Everyone?? Is there an alternative?
 
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12:49 PM
@oguzismail Not everyone and yes, please use DuckDuckGo instead. It doesn’t track you
 
@Braiam Alright. My search engine was somehow focused to only yield german results, and "Tandemlastabschaltung" didn't look very likely to me ;)
 
@Daniil I do for analytics, searching and email.
 
@Daniil I use it, most of the time. Tried others, but Google just keeps to yield the best results for all those tricky search queries I need every day
 
user12867493
Perfect set-up in my opinion: Firefox with anti-tracking enabled, DuckDuck Go search engine with the DuckDuckGo extension installed and the Ghostery extension installed
 
user12867493
If you want more privacy than FireFox, use Vivaldi or Tor
 
12:52 PM
I go NoScript + uBO and Firefox containers.
 
How do you stop Google from tracking you when you use their mail server? Hmm...
 
IMAP/POP?
 
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@CodyGray Who is that referring to?
 
Of course, that makes nothing against content reading.
 
Nah. They still literally store and process all of your mail.
@Daniil Uh, Google? They have a service called Gmail.
 
12:54 PM
End-to-end encryption with proxy mail servers in Tor? ;)
 
@Daniil Stopped using Firefox years ago. Ungoogled Chromium feels way faster
 
@janw Is that a common thing in German? Do you often shorten those ridiculously long German compound words with acronyms? Like, say, Gründstucksverkehrsgenehmigungszuständigkeitsübertragungverordnung... Does that become something shorter?
 
Is there a way to allow tor addresses as mx in dns?
 
@CodyGray Yes, law names usually get shortened. Like "Straßenverkehrsordnung". Everyone just says "StVO"
 
Makes sense. I had never heard that before.
I only learned it academically, a very long time ago.
 
user12867493
12:58 PM
@JeanneDark Check your link formatting :)
 
Thanks!
 
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@oguzismail Still too much tracking
 
@CodyGray Yeah, there is no general rule for that. Compounding has real benefits - if we don't have a word for something, just create one ;)
 
Chromium's V8 JS engine is noticeably faster than Firefox. SO lags significantly for me on Firefox, especially with userscripts.
@janw I've never understood how that's a benefit over just using spaces to separate the words...
 
user12867493
@CodyGray Do you feel it’s secure?
 
1:01 PM
I don't really care all that much
 
user12867493
Enjoy the spam them :)
 
Never had a spam with Chrome...
 
@CodyGray Oh, so the same concept does also exist in english? We joked about that in our english classes from time to time...e.g., "Kerzenhalter" -> "candle holder" instead of "chandelier" ;)
 
If I really want to go balls to the wall on privacy, I just boot up a tails vm and be done with it.
 
Thankfully, Gmail filters out all the spam for me, using Google's giant database on me, which they've been building for the past 25-ish years.
 
1:03 PM
I do care but don't want to use such a slow browser :/
 
Yeah. If there was something better that wasn't so slow, I'd switch immediately.
I have Brave on my personal notebook. I thought that might be more secure/private, but still me the advantages of Chromium.
 
@CodyGray Somehow they still manage to mark as spam mails that I've explicitly marked as non-spam... bank spending emails are one of those.
 
user12867493
A general rule-of-thumb: Anything made by Google tracks you too much
 
I personally don't care how Google tracks me, I have better experience with Google learn from my behaviors.
 
@CodyGray There are missing words in there :D
 
1:06 PM
@CodyGray What about contributing to a private monopoly on search engines, by using Chromium?
 
@Braiam Yes. Scratte has been teaching me the art of elision :-)
 
@mickmackusa (20k+)
 
@Andreas Why are there so many politics? Why can't I just have a nice, fast browser?
 
@janw The irony, "candleholder" actually exists...
 
Nice browser? Lynx?
 
1:08 PM
@CodyGray Eh...
 
@CodyGray It's not politics, it's economics.
 
I am using Firefox for years, and have an ad blocker and lots of userscripts/add ons installed. Never noticed any significant performance problems
 
For a fast browser to exist, there should be browsers to compare against
 
@janw Candleholder is kinda non-standard usage. Candlestick would be more normal. And chandelier exists, too, but it's not the same thing as candleholder.
 
1:10 PM
If there's only 1 option, how can we say that the browser is faster/better/harder/stronger?
 
@janw I definitely do. There's a noticeable lag in each page rendering all the userscripts. But... I'm kind of a power user. I often hit SE's server-side rate limits when doing normal moderation stuff by just clicking too fast.
 
@CodyGray Who doesn’t hit those?
 
I thought most people didn't hit those
You get a plain-text page saying you hit a rate limit?
 
The browser can't handle the quick Sam's userscripts!
 
I have once or twice.
 
1:12 PM
@CodyGray You need to be more moderate in your moderation, Mr Moderator.
 
@Braiam We can just compare everything against Internet Explorer. We don't need all the other browsers to suck.
 
@AdrianMole Be modest.
 
@AdrianMole I will try to moderate my moderation activity going forward, exercising better moderatorial judgment. But, if I'm modest, it won't be easy.
 
Is modesty the only virtue you lack?
 
I have no idea
 
1:13 PM
Internet Explorer is great.
 
user12867493
@AdrianMole Was that meant to be funny?
 
IE 6.0. Best browser.
 
user12867493
@Andreas No, no and hell no
 
@Daniil Moderately funny, maybe?
 
user12867493
@janw ^
 
1:15 PM
@Daniil 😠
Don’t speak ill of IE!
 
IEEEEEEE!
 
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@Andreas No, what’s wrong with all of you?
 
Remember the good old days when it was bundled into AOL?
 
Last time I know, one of the room owners on here is IE user...
 
We have an IEEE regular in here.
 
1:16 PM
Funny story time: my bank still says that it works better in IE 7, at 1024x786
2
 
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@Braiam Change bank :P
 
Which bank? Asking for a friend...
 
@Daniil Can't do, it's the state bank and I'm a public servant.
 
The one with wire transfer? Asking for a friend too...
 
AAARRGH!! 😡 I’ll bring the Trident!
 
user12867493
1:18 PM
@janw Talk some sense into your friend :)
 
@janw With a bit of online stalking, you can figure out which bank.
 
IE7? No? IE1 is best.
 
IE 1 was Spyglass Mosaic. Wasn't even IE.
 
Wow, I'm not used to the off-topic close dialog on SO anymore...
 
The best version was obviously IE 3. It supported ActiveX and Java applets! Also the first to have the blue "e" logo.
 
1:21 PM
@AndrewT. What changed?
 
So good I still use it!
 
@Braiam nothing really changed, just the wording, I guess...
 
Are you still on Win 95, @JeanneDark? Or did you ever update to 98?
 
Remember @Jeanne, Windows 98 is the best version of Windows.
 
@CodyGray I don't like that new, fancy stuff
 
1:23 PM
So... who here used Windows 3.1 not 3.11?
 
Windows ME was great.
 
I believe I've used 3.11, with Windows Entertainment Pack installed...
 
I will never stop using Microsoft Bob.
 
Almost nobody used Windows 3.11. But there was a Windows for Workgroups 3.11 that got confused with it. It added networking support (obviously) and some VXDs for 32-bit disk transfers.
 
Aaaah VxDs. You just brought back some terrible wonderful coding memories.
 
1:25 PM
My memory is fuzzy, but I've used both 3.1 and 3.11. Somehow, my parents managed to buy another "newer" system and came with the disks
 
Remember thunking, @Adrian?
 
Thunks for the memories.
 
Named after the sound your head made as it hit the desk whenever you tried to do low-level stuff in Windows
Wasn't that what Fall Out Boy was singing about?
 
... and 32-bit VxDs that required 16-bit property pages.
 
until Windows 95 came, with the "Nature" screensaver...
 
1:26 PM
That would have been the 95 Plus! pack. You must have been rich, my friend.
Some $20 USD just for visual flourishes!
 
Or a well connected pirate. Disks were flying at that time.
I would never miss floppy disks.
 
I think the latter...
 
If you had 95 Plus! there was hardly any reason to update to 98
You could even get the fancy IE integration with 95 OSR 2.5 and IE 4
 
I used 3.1, 3.11, 98 SP4, XP SP1+2, 7, and 10
 
Then, you could navigate through your hard disk by clicking Back and Forward buttons! That was some crazy stuff!
 
1:29 PM
Dodged several bullets
 
It was upgraded to Windows 98 SE, then ME (what a fun OS!), then XP, 7, finally 10
 
98 First Edition was pretty not good.
Windows peaked with version 2000. And yet nobody but me used it.
 
ReactOS guys swear by the NT kernel... I don't know why.
 
It's fantastic
The 9x kernel was garbage
 
My parent used 2000 since it's more stable... compared to ME (heh!)
 
1:31 PM
Serious software development would have been miserable in 9x. Meanwhile, NT 4 and 2000 were just a dream.
I never once saw NT 4 crash, except for hardware errors
...and maybe that one service pack...
 
But then, I first learnt programming on Windows XP... and probably VB 6
Either VB 6 or FreePascal, I forgot.
 
VB 6 was some seriously cool stuff
That's where I really first learned, too
 
@oguzismail I take it as an encouragement, thank you :)
 
^^spam
 
99.9% effective virus sterilization? Check. ISO 9001:2015 certified? Check. AOL email address? Check.
 
Fun fact: ISO 9001 doesn't say anything about if the product does what it says it does, just that there are process describing how the product is achieved.
 
Oh, trust me, I know.
Literally nothing matters but "do you have a process?"
 
2:16 PM
A PHP expert may want to see if this post is worth closing.
 
@CodyGray stop deleting MY deletions
8
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Uh, what?
 
forget it, concurrent mod deletes :)
 
Oh
Been a while since that happened
 
2:31 PM
@bad_coder no need to be a PHP expert to see that the question must be closed.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I didn't want to make a cv-pls without being completely sure.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You are from Toulouse? I spent some time there, and I have many friends who lived around that area.
 
@bad_coder yeah, I live there 😀 you from the UK?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre bidonville
 
4:01 PM
Feels good to have used almost all close votes for the day
 
5:20 PM
Are moderator 'votes' in review queues binding? For example, if a mod chooses "Leave closed" in a reopen review, does that option kick the post out of the queue and leave it closed? Similarly (but perhaps less tricky) is a mod-given "Approve" in Suggested Edits enough on its own?
... I guess that a mod-vote to reopen in the reopen queue would be binding, though.
^^ Is that one even worth editing-out the rude word?
... somebody thought so! :)
 
it won't be pushed to the front page if the editor was hlso a close voter IIRC; too lazy to check how offending the cuss word was but of course it will be up for a few days before Roobma reaps it
 
@tripleee It was an explicit "WTF"-type question.
 
5:54 PM
Can someone help me understand what this means? stackoverflow.com/posts/62106095/timeline
 
@Dharman Do you mean the audits?
 
yes
 
@Dharman The answer was used 9 times as an audit in the first posts queue and once in the LQP queue.
 
Why should it not be used as an audit? Looks like a typical case.
 
Ohh ok. So the system thinks it is such a good answer it is using it for an audit
 
5:57 PM
Yes, happens frequently
 
System sees votes.
 
Take e.g. this one
13 audits
 
I find it interesting that the First Posts queue audits pass regardless of the user doing some review action, and thus showing "Reviewed"; and with "No Action Needed". It looks like it doesn't matter what response you give.
 

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