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12:21 AM
@M-- The meta post you refer to has been made a 'feed' in the Election Chatroom.
 
The rule is that SOCVR only moderates post content on Stack Overflow main. We don't moderate Meta Stack Overflow (MSO). Meta Stack Overflow moderates us. We don't participate, as a group, on MSO, but what we do as individuals there isn't controlled by SOCVR. We do permit some discussion in here, but on divisive issues, we try to keep them out of the room, because they are divisive and distract from SOCVR's primary mission: moderating content on SO.
It's also beneficial for the discussion on most issues, particularly divisive issues, to be kept centralized, so people can participate, without the need to track conversations in 50 different locations.
So, in a nutshell, my opinion is that it's OK to say here that you'd like to hear opinions and get input on a Meta post, but those opinions and input should really primarily take place on the Meta post itself, so that discussion is available to everyone on Meta. Note that it is desirable to explicitly inform a room member if a MSO post is created to discus a moderation action the member(s) participated in, so the member(s) are able to see it and respond.
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1:18 AM
do 10k's see deleted chat messages and deleted comments on posts?
 
No
Only mods can
 
@Vega thank you.
 
np :)
 
1:55 AM
@bad_coder Room owners can see deleted chat messages for the rooms in which they are owners. Mods can see deleted messages in any chat room. Only mods can see deleted post comments.
 
 
1 hour later…
3:47 AM
@AdrianMole Yes, mod votes are binding everywhere.
@Dharman @AdrianMole @Dharman @janw Martijn's away on vacation this week. As Dharman said: don't ping mods, use flags. There is more than one of us here for a reason.
@rene The advantage of doing that is that it marks the spam flag as "helpful", which I like to do when I understand why the spam flag was raised. It is possible to "dispute" it, but meh. That's more steps, and all for what? The post needed to be deleted anyway. I can validate the flag as "helpful" without imposing any penalties on the OP... so why not do that?
@Dharman You asked a question on The Great Outdoors about something you found in your bathroom/kitchen? Man, that's like asking a question about replacing your hard drive on Stack Overflow. (Unless... your bathroom and kitchen are outdoors...?)
@sideshowbarker There is no such time limit. You sure you don't see the "edit" link in the top-right corner? I do. I don't know what could have happened... You lost your gold badge? Weird. Anyway, if you can't get to it, and there's something you want me to add, ping me.
(Oh, I see the gold badge mystery was subsequently resolved: you made an edit that removed the tag making you eligible. Either way, my offer to append to the dupe list still stands.)
 
4:39 AM
 
@Makyen Do you have a script that automatically moves completed requests, or do you have to do it by hand? I just went looking, and tried installing the URRS, but I couldn't find an option there to automatically clean up.
URRS will gray them out, which I suppose makes it easier to manually move them, but I kinda assumed you had a script that would do it with a single click.
 
@CodyGray The script that automatically moves them is the CV Request Archiver (install). It adds a few buttons to the group of buttons in the chat bottom bar, which are what start the scan for completed requests, some additional controls in each message to add/remove messages from a manual move list,
and display of deleted messages in the main chat display and transcripts (either upon hover or always displayed). After a scan is begun, a popup is displayed with the list of messages which were detected and you can remove messages from that set, if there are ones which were inappropriately detected.
 
Ah, thanks. That's what I was looking for and couldn't find.
What's the difference between "archiver" and "scan 3k"? I can't quite puzzle it out from the tooltips.
 
np. We should probably list it in our list of tools. It's intended to be generally applicable, at least for the manual move list.
@CodyGray The "archiver" button opens a mini-dialog in that same area allowing you to specify the number of events to scan. The "scan 3k" is a single click that just scans the most recent 3k message events, which has generally been sufficient to cover the 7 days we leave for del-pls and undel-pls requests. In the more recent past, that 3k has not really been sufficient. The number scanned by that button can be adjusted by changing one constant in the code.
 
@Makyen Ah, I see. Why not just pre-fill the archiver input field with 3000?
Then you have a single button rather than two, a simplified UI, and no loss of functionality
 
4:52 AM
@CodyGray It would require more clicks. I'm lazy. I just wanted one click. :)
 
Well, with the real-estate taken up by the two buttons, you could just have the input field + scan button that shows up when clicking on "archiver"...
Then you're back to a single click
 
@CodyGray But, then there's this white space in the UI, instead of just all buttons... :)
At the time I added the "scan 3k" button, I was updating the already exiting UI and didn't want to change the look and feel of the UI all that much, but still wanted a single click scan. I'm open to other alternatives.
 
Ah, I see. Well, I kind of just realized that here I am complaining about this lovely userscript that you've made available, where all I have to do is click. I don't mean for it to come across as looking a gift horse in the mouth or even really complaining. This is just what I do: analyze, assess, and criticize. All totally free of charge!
Totally understand the impulse to reduce the friction/impact of changes.
 
@CodyGray And I appreciate it. I like hearing analysis and critiques. Hearing them helps make things better. Please don't take my explaining the reasoning used at the time as saying that I don't agree that it can't be better.
 
That question has two upvotes. Wtf?
 
4:59 AM
@Makyen I don't take it that way at all. I was just realizing how I might have sounded.
 
@CodyGray I didn't have a problem with it at all.
 
I do like the idea of streamlining it to just the input field and the button. Might make sense to even wrap those to a new line so they won't compete with the existing buttons.
I don't really see the point in canceling it. You do it now just to reduce the effective size of the UI, but if the whole thing were just two controls taking up effectively the same amount of space, it wouldn't be necessary.
@klutt No idea. Two upvotes aren't enough to create a pattern. I don't see anything obvious there in terms of sockpuppetry. Maybe SO is just popular in that class? :-)
 
Hehe
 
@CodyGray Once you start a scan, there's a bit more added to what's displayed in there. The cancel button clears that extra stuff, which is most useful if the scan that was run results in no matches. However, that doesn't mean the cancel button needs to be displayed at all times, or that it couldn't be handled in a different way.
 
Oh, I see. In then in the dialog that appears, there's an option to scan even more posts, but that doesn't appear in the case where it would be most useful, which is when there are no posts found.
 
5:09 AM
@CodyGray Yeah, that's an issue that's never been resolved. OTOH, it's relatively rare to be scanning, not find something and still want to scan more. However, it does happen, but, IME, mostly in development when I'm tweaking the parameters for what is detected.
I'd always intended to add a general regex and parameter search to the UI, but never got around to it. The additional tweaks would be quite helpful if there was a generalized search UI.
 
What would be the purpose of a regex search?
 
You've never wanted to be able to search a room's transcript for more complex patterns?
 
Haha. No.
But I was missing that you were talking about a general search. I was still thinking in the context of a search for the purposes of archiving/moving.
 
Ahhh, sure, you could archive them, but it's already got a popup that shows you the matches...
 
Truthfully, it is relatively rare that I even use search in chat.
I don't know how normal or exceptional I am on this front.
 
5:17 AM
I end up using it on a regular basis for a variety of things. Usually to find answers to questions which have been previously discussed.
 
@Makyen What I've actually been thinking about is a way to make the message input box bigger. I mention this, because I have some inclination that you'll sympathize.
 
@CodyGray Ahhh... yeah, that was basically the first modification I made for myself. I really couldn't stand that weee little input box.
I get the feeling I should dig up the code I use...
 
@Makyen What did you do? I don't necessarily want to make the bottom bar taller, because that cuts into the content, which is already small enough if you have a widescreen-format screen. I could make it extend more off to the right, but (A) there are some scripts like the one we just discussed that add stuff there, (B) if you're not on a widescreen monitor, you don't have much space off to the right already, and (C) trying to manipulate it with CSS got complicated quickly.
Something's weird about the layout. I have one of those resizer gripper handles, but in many cases, my trying to resize it that way results in it getting smaller.
 
@CodyGray I bit the bullet and increased the height of the bottom-bar; increased the width of the text input area; reduced the size of the buttons; and made the size of the site branding logo quite small, so that it didn't interfere with the buttons.
@CodyGray Yeah, that was a bit of a pain to get around what they were doing, but it's possible.
 
Ah. Well, I can't say I like the idea of reducing the size of the buttons. That just makes them harder to click. Did you look at reducing the giant image of galaxies on the bottom right? I was thinking that might be a good target, since it isn't interactive, except for the ping counter, which is only in the top-left corner.
 
5:33 AM
@CodyGray Yeah, that's definitely possible. I haven't actually had it as a permanent adjustment, but my intent was to make the size of that image smaller as the UI needs more space for the per-line remaining character count. I'd tested it, but never got to the point of implementing it. IIRC, there are two elements on which you need to change the width and height properties.
 
Per-line remaining character count? I don't have one of those in chat...
 
Yeah, I felt there should be one, so...
 
Haha
Fair enough
 
@CodyGray This is what it looks like. No hand drawn red circles, but the remaining character counts are below the self-avatar.
 
I've also wondered if maybe it would be sensible to just remove the character count by having it automatically break up your message into the appropriate number of "chunks" and send them all back-to-back.
Uh... why so many character counts?
 
5:40 AM
@CodyGray Those are for each line that ends with a soft return. The lines are then sent one after the other at the max rate chat permits, when the "multi-part" button is clicked.
 
Oh hey
You already did what I suggested
At that point, why even bother with the per-line character counts? I don't want to have to watch those; I just want to type. The whole point of a userscript is that it can worry about the details for me.
 
That's a detail I normally like to watch, because where things are broken are commonly paragraphs, rather than just sentences. It wouldn't be that hard to also break something that's too long at a sentence boundary.
Which is probably what it should do.
 
Exactly. Or, just add ellipses and break at a word boundary. That's what I do by hand most of the time
 
@CodyGray thanks, yeah — about that dupe, I had just forgotten that I’d already also edited the tags. stackoverflow.com/questions/52391982/… is the other question/answer that I’d wanted to add to add as as dupe target. That’s actually a better, more-specific dupe target than the one I closed it with.
 
That's also reasonable. The reason I hadn't done it is that I'd want some indicator inside the text box to tell me where there's going to be a break, because there are times when I wouldn't like where the break was automatically chosen, but that's doable.
 
5:46 AM
@sideshowbarker Done
 
cheers — thanks much
 
Sure. What good are these powers if I can't use them? :-)
@Makyen I assume this is a userscript you haven't made public?
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I'll break those functions out and release them.
 
Oohh, they have to be broken out? Now I wonder what other seekrit stuff is in there.
 
Mostly it's just a jumble of the various changes I personally wanted. I've tried to do better to plan ahead for releasing things and actually start new functionality in new scripts, but it's really a lot easier to just add minor things to personal adjustments.
 
5:55 AM
Yeah. I'm dumping stuff I personally want in a small number of scripts. But I'm releasing them publicly anyway.
 
The only thing that isn't intended for public release is normal users seeing deleted messages in any room in which they're present when the deletion happens, but that's mostly because it might be useful to spammers/trolls who enter chat when people are not really thinking about what they are typing.
 
Oof. That migration userscript that I just installed has a nice feature that will display deleted messages in chat inline when hovering over them. Unfortunately, that conflicts with one of Sam's, which shows deleted messages inline all the time.
 
@CodyGray Well, you can have the migration script show them all the time too: just click on the 👁. Not that it will really help with the conflict. :;
 
That looks like a hollow box. Was it supposed to be an emoji?
 
@CodyGray Yeah, it's a small eye. The Archiver includes it in the deleted message markers. It's a toggle for switching between displaying all the time and only on hover.
 
6:02 AM
I don't see it...
Where do I look?
 
Oh, that's why I don't see it. Sam's user script literally shows them inline. There's no "(removed)".
 
@CodyGray Hmmm... does his userscript show them in transcripts? If not, you could click it there and have it set to always show.
 
Yep :-)
I guess I have to rip it out of the code
Even having them both show inline would be annoying
 
@CodyGray In the Archiver, it should be easy to disable. It's set up to be select-able by room/chat server. Fully disabling showing deleted should be simple. Let me test. One moment.
@CodyGray Just change this line to const showDeleted = false;.
 
6:16 AM
Yeah, that worked. But now what stops it from getting overwritten when the script updates?
 
@CodyGray You remembering you need to change it? Presumably, an update will probably allow having a way for there not to be a conflict between the scripts. However, I haven't looked at how Sam does it, so I don't know exactly how that will end up being done.
 
I personally prefer Sam's way of having it load inline, rather than on hover.
Sam does other things on hover, and I'm always complaining about that. :-)
This is the userscript in question. He indicates it as being mod-only, but I imagine it would work for ROs, too.
 
@CodyGray That's why the Archiver has the option to let you choose to always see them, rather than on hover.
 
Also... I briefly installed FIRE, but I found it to be unnecessarily complicated.
All I really need is the green checkmark, red X, and (optionally) poop NAA icons to appear inline on SD reports. Then, I can skip the step of clicking "MS", loading the page, and clicking the icon I want.
 
@CodyGray I expect it would work for ROs in the main chat view, but it doesn't look like it would work for ROs in transcripts. It assumes a data structure is there that's definitely not there for ROs/normal users and that a .message exists in the DOM to mark the existence of each deleted message, which definitely isn't the case for the view that normal users/ROs see.
 
6:30 AM
I see.
 
@CodyGray If you don't want the preview of the message which FIRE provides, and want to do all your interaction with the post from the question page, then you might want to look into Advanced Flagging (I think), as, I believe, it has feedback from question pages. However, that feedback may be directly tied into what flag is raised, so may not be that helpful for a moderator.
 
@Makyen I don't want it on the question page. I want it here in chat, directly on SD's messages.
I don't see why the fire emoji needs to open up such a complicated dialog. I've already opened the question itself in a new tab so I can moderate and review it. All I want to do here with the SD message is mark it as TP or FP.
So all I need are the icons that are displayed at the top of the MS page.
(I'm really not a fan of multiple, subtly different views of the same information. This is why I hate review queues, because, while they do present a view of the post, it's different from what I normally see and am used to. So I prefer to just open the post up in a new tab to deal with it, not try and look at it in a popup.)
 
“You can only perform 30 searches within a 60 second window, please wait a moment and try again.”… never hit that before today
 
@CodyGray I created something like that at one point, but then felt it was inappropriate for people to be giving feedback without having viewed the post. I'm not sure what happened to the code. It's not that difficult to have such butons, IIRC, but it's not something I'd want to release to the general public, because it would be abused.
 
@BillTür Installation of programming tools is on-topic here. VS Code is definitely a programming tool. That shouldn't be migrated anywhere, contrary to what a now-deleted comment had suggested. But... the question doesn't have enough info to be answered, so it still needs to be closed.
 
6:38 AM
That doesn't mean you would abuse it, just that some people would, if it was public.
 
@Makyen :-( Really? You think people would give feedback without looking at the post? Boggles the mind. But... I know what you mean. Which is worse.
@Makyen Also, with that logic, how do you know they're not abusing it on MS? They don't actually have to look at the question there in order to give feedback.
 
@CodyGray They have to at least look at a page with the post, similar to a review queue.
 
7:13 AM
@Makyen I did think of trying to find out how to do that myself. I find it breaks the flow when a message is deleted. But then I figured that there are other things that is more important to spend my time on. But knowing that someone has already done this.. :D I understand why you would want to not share it with everyone though.
 
Messages are deleted for a reason...
That reason is either they're inappropriate, or someone thought better of them and doesn't want them seen.
Another minor possibility is that someone was posting a multi-message chain, which got interrupted by someone else's message. In that case, they might delete their second message and go back to edit the same thing into their first one.
In none of these cases is it going to be interesting or rewarding to see the deleted message(s).
 
Yes.. and no :) The thing that annoys me about it is that if I'm looking at the page before it's deleted, I'll get the flow. So it's not like the message will not be read by anyone.
Some just delete instead of edit their message.. and some just forgets to do any of those. So I think of an undeleted message as someone forgetting to do it. Besides the script I was thinking of would only work on "memory", so a refresh would not help, and it would also not work on a transcript.
What I find a little irritating is seeing a bunch of (deleted) and half of a fallout from what ever was in those. Making me quite possibly think that it was much worse than it really was.
 
@Scratte Yes, unless you are an RO for the room or a moderator, you won't be able to obtain the contents of the message past the point that it is deleted.
 
@Makyen Not unless I "save" the content to be shown to me in case a delete comes in on it. Which is what I didn't try to do yet :)
 
I like to just "save" it in my memory. Seems easier that way.
 
7:23 AM
@Scratte You will not be able to obtain it from the chat system once it is deleted.
 
@CodyGray Your biological memory? It only works if your input device is pointed at the source though :)
 
@Scratte If it isn't, then it doesn't matter, because nothing I'm reading is disrupted.
 
@Makyen I know this. But I will be able to retain every message, and keep it in memory until the script determines to let it go
 
By leaving the developer tools open, each chat message is "stored" though
 
@CodyGray It could be, because you just went to get a coffee and then comeback to half a fallout.
 
7:25 AM
@JeanneDark Is this about statistics? Or maybe bioinformatics? We can probably suggest a better stack for the user but I'm not sure which one.
 
@Scratte I know there are ways to do it, but what you describe is ... inefficient.
 
\O
 
@VLAZ The question as posed wouldn't be on-topic anywhere.
 
@AndrewT. That is just another reason to put it into a script, no? :)
 
@CodyGray I wouldn't suggest migrating it but just mentioning the other stack exists and to check their help centre.
 
7:27 AM
@Makyen I am not surprised that you have more efficient ways to do it. But I was looking at it from the perspective of a non Room Owner user.
 
@Scratte or a bot, yes :p
 
@VLAZ Meh.
I generally do not recommend doing that unless you think that the question in its current form or something very similar would be welcome on another site. Otherwise, it will likely end up getting reposted there with few changes. If you're going to recommend another site, you at least need to give concrete suggestions on how to improve the question before posting it there. Those at least have some chance of getting followed.
 
Good morning
 
@Scratte As was I.
 
@VLAZ I don't know that much about these stacks.
 
7:30 AM
@Makyen Now that more efficient way will just bother me forever :)
 
like, hooking into the chat's websocket
 
@Scratte :)
 
Question: We should directly mod flag when encountering a duplicate answer, right? I didn't remember correctly, left a comment and flagged NAA, which was subsequently declined :P
 
@Makyen I suppose it could also just look for updates to existing messages and just refuse to comply.
 
@janw That depends. If there's an identical answer that's posted a year later, then you should raise a custom mod-flag, particularly if there's no attribution for the copying. If there are just two similar answers that are posted a couple minutes apart, then no, you shouldn't flag, because they were likely written independently of each other.
@Scratte You don't (easily) have a way to change SE's code to make it not comply.
 
7:36 AM
@Makyen That particular one was posted a week later, and is of lower quality than the original one.
 
@janw There's also the case where a user posts identical Answers to different Questions. If they are any differences the script that checks for those will not remove them. If you raise a flag due to that, you should post links to all the other almost identical answers in the message.
 
@Scratte Sure, I flagged one of those just yesterday :)
 
@Makyen ..that looks oddly like a way to go, by your wording though :)
Is a sock that's able to chat a "chatable" one? I mean is that even a word..
 
@Scratte As with most things, there are a variety of ways to accomplish the task. I certainly don't claim to have used the best way, just a way.
In general, it's difficult to change a site's code. Doing so really requires the capabilities of a full browser extension, and even then it's not trivial. You can affect some things. For example, the Request Generator snoops on some of SE's functions on question & review pages to see when the page may have been updated, for certain types of updates, rather than use a MutationObserver, which would be relatively expensive, compute wise.
 
 
Note to self... when you go on holiday, leave the SOCVR chatroom so when you get home your inbox isn't filled with all the pings to the other @Nick
 
Nick!
 
Note to self... when you're feeling lonely, change your user name to Nick
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I tried that once. It backfired.
 
@CodyGray you should anyway, it's a much cooler name :-)
 
8:12 AM
@Mithical That's because you changed your name to Zoe. Ain't nobody want that. :-p
 
nah it was nick first
 
@Mithical Remember I can go through the audit log and prove that's not the case :p
 
It's very easy - all nicks should just gather and fight to the death. Winner gets to keep the name, loosers...well, they won't be bothered by pings any more.
 
We have an audit log?
 
The trouble is that SO doesn't appear to update comments when you change your username. So all the 8k comment replies I have would be addressed to someone else...
 
8:18 AM
Yeah, we get flags on those comments sometimes....
 
Zoe
@CodyGray Oi! :p
 
@Zoe A color background upgrade. Cool.
 
Zoe
8:34 AM
@Yunnosch oh, yeah ^^" Did that like over a month ago though
 
@Zoe Weird. I'd have bet anything that a) I am here more often than once a month b) you are c) I'd have noticed immediatly.... One of those must be wrong.... Probbaly c. I like colorful. (I do not care whether or not there is a political meaning.)
 
Zoe
I haven't been much around lately :') That's probably why
 
It's the Lesser Spotted Not-A-Fox!
 
 
@Catija Oh; not so lucky after all, then.
 
Find suspicious answer, do Google search to find original answer it was plagiarized from...and three more answers that plagiarized the same original answer.
 
9:57 AM
yeah, going down the rabbit hole ...
 
Be sure to send the rabbit to moderators
 
@CodyGray The rabbit has been sent wrapped in four flags
 
Now you're just pumping up your numbers
 
Actual question though: would y'all prefer one flag for "these all plagiarize this post" or four bite-sized flags, one on each plagiarizing post?
 
No, one flag per post if it's plagiarism
 
10:00 AM
@RyanM I have seen that, moreover, one of the plagiariser (+130K !) have a blogpost about his great answer :/ I have flagged, the copied answers were deleted
 
Cool, that is in fact what I did
 
The "connection" between those posts is all coincidental, so they shouldn't be grouped into a single flag.
If it was all the same user who was posting a rash of plagiarized answers, then a single flag might make more sense. (But it doesn't matter that much.)
@Vega As long as you're not accusing them of plagiarizing from their own blog, published after the answer :-)
 
@CodyGray The original answer was on SO. It was plagiarised word to word here on SO by three times, and then one of them wrote his blogspot about his answer. He added one phrase
 
10:18 AM
Haha my bug became a HNQ
 
You can't say "bug" in a programming chat room and expect people to think of the crawly ones...
 
@Dharman That's not a bug, it's a feature silverfish.
 
The bug is now featured.
 
And thanks to the other bug, where there are no "related" questions, the HNQ are even more visible now
 
I think the phrase, "Hot Network Questions" needs disambiguating. Are they questions on a hot network, or hot questions on a network?
 
10:24 AM
Yes.
 
@AdrianMole Rename the panel to "Meet hot questions near you"
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@VLAZ Perfect
 
@VLAZ You just made me realize that when I laugh while wearing a facemask, my glasses get steamed up. xD
 
@VLAZ *considers revoking poetry contest bounty prize*
 
@AdrianMole How do you avoid your glasses from normally getting fogged up due to breathing when wearing a face mask? I have that problem all the time, and it's so annoying. I don't even laugh!
@Mithical You should. This suggestion is far more deserving.
 
10:31 AM
Depends on the density of the mask, I guess. Normal-level breathing seems to pass through the mask; accelerated breathing causes upward jets around the nasal 'gaps'.
 
Weird. I have this problem with N-95s, those cheap throwaway masks, and everything in-between.
I guess I don't do "normal-level breathing".
I don't do normal anything else.
 
Do you do a lot of 'heavy breathing'?
 
@AdrianMole No
It's not a problem outside, where the temperature differential is less. But inside in the air conditioning, it's like fog city
I'm just super hot, of course.
 
@CodyGray allegedly this helps some people, but the masks I have don't seem to work with that trick. I also don't wear glasses other than sunglasses, so my experience here is limited and I can only pass on tips Twitter seems to think are good.
 
@RyanM "Something went wrong."
 
10:36 AM
@CodyGray hmm, strange...I checked it even in a private window and it works for me...Firefox Nightly on Windows 10
 
Okay, it's working now. I can see the cute girl. :-)
It took about 5 attempts of clicking "Try again" to get it to work.
 
@RyanM Doesn't work for me. I don't have a problem with my glasses falling off but fogging up is an issue. I've tried few ways of wearing the mask but nothing seems to completely solve this. Also, might be a problem with the masks I have.
 
Moving to a desert may help.
 
I end up just putting the mask on and waiting until the fogging solves itself. After a while the lenses acclimatise and aren't permanently fogged. Just slightly.
 
It never seems to resolve itself for me, not indoors
Breathing out fogs them up; breathing in reduces it. Repeat endlessly.
 
Zoe
10:40 AM
There's an easy solution then: breathe in more than you breathe out :p
 
The nose piece should have a metal plate, that should be adjusted to create a full seal. Air shouldn't escape anywhere other than through the fibre of the mask.
 
Yes, all the masks I've tried have had metal plates in the nosepiece. I've tried adjusting them. It still doesn't help.
 
Is it mandatory to use those face masks in the US now?
@AdrianMole I need this :)
 
Regardless of the fogging, if air leaks out, then the mask isnt protective enough. N-95s should create a full seal all around the mouth.
 
10:47 AM
@TheMaster Yes. And an N-95 cannot do that for me when I have glasses on. Simply impossible. I don't know how it works for other people who wear glasses. I guess maybe theirs are smaller.
@Scratte Only in some places
 
I think the main purpose of the masks is to prevent the worst of the 'splatter' of droplets from coughs and sneezes (and those folks who spit when they speak). A small amount of upward and/or sideways 'leakage' isn't a big deal, in terms of virus propagation.
 
That's also correct
This virus is transmissible via large droplets
 
So, what is a large droplet - a drop?
 
Still very small, so still a droplet. This is a technical term
 
10:56 AM
Buy one with a adjustable elastic band. You can tighten the upper band if your face is small
 
So sleep in it if you're a kitten
@Scratte So?!?.. did you mean Or?
 
11:14 AM
@Scratte I have no idea what you meant. I'm reassured to see that you didn't know, either.
 
@CodyGray I have a question in regards to the feedback you left on one of my flags. What did you mean when you said "asdfasdfasdf asdfa sdfasd fasdf"
 
@Dharman Uh, did I do that?
 
@CodyGray Was it not you? stackoverflow.com/a/62991575/1839439
 
Hahaha. Yes, apparently it was.
That's lovely. I look like an idiot.
So, I've been making some updates to one of Shog9's old userscripts that modifies how flags are displayed to moderators, based on recommendations by Monica Cellio.
And, apparently, I was using that particular flag for testing purposes.
I think I was testing the box where I get to type in a custom message to make sure that the character counter worked, the font size was appropriately small, etc. Then, when I got done, I just went ahead and dismissed the flags as helpful, because they all were. Except...I forgot to clear the textbox.
 
Ohhh ok. That explains it.
I recommend to use phrases like "testing userscripts. Ignore the message" next time, please
 
11:19 AM
That's a lot more difficult to type. I didn't actually intend to submit that gibberish message.
 
Feature Request: Can we deduct tag-points earned from answers to questions subsequently closed as dupes before awarding tag dupe-hammers?
 
@AdrianMole Just delete the question. Points go away.
 
3+ score, 60 days?
 
@Dharman It's always fun to use this as a test string: "If you're reading this, you've been in a coma for almost 20 years now. We're trying a new technique. We don't know where this message will end up in your dream, but we hope it works. Please wake up, we miss you."
 
TIL people actually read the "helpful" messages for flags. I thought they only ever read the "decline" messages, since the dialog swats them in their faces.
 
11:23 AM
^ Heh. A Glasgow phone number, at that!
 
11:40 AM
 
@Dharman Ok.. Now I'm more inclined to start using custom moderator flags :) Also I had no idea that it was possible to get a helpful flag with a message. I thought only declined ones came with a message.
 
Messages are optional for both.
 
Ah. I also didn't know that. But what's the odds of a meta post asking for why if there's no reason on a declined one?
 
Similar to the odds of a Meta post asking for why when there is a reason.
 
That's.. surprising. But of course I'd probably start by asking here.
 
11:58 AM
@Shree Fast approaching 50K helpful flags. Wow!
 
:D
 
@Scratte I don't think mods take well when you use a custom message, if there's a valid or okayish built in flags.
 
@TheMaster Depends. If you need to explain something, it's always better to mod flag. The only time they'll ding you for a mod flag is if you try to use it to end-run other flags
So if you mod flagged for a question that could be closed, it's probably they would decline it, since you can flag or vote to close
 
o/
 
12:16 PM
Weird. How was an answer posted after a question was closed? Caching?
 
@AdrianMole Up to 4 hours.. if I remember correctly.
 
Really? I've had answers in 'edit' and I've been informed the Q was closed and no longer accepting answers. Immediately.
 
It's only a client-side restriction.
For a few hours.
 
@AdrianMole Open the dev console, Inspect element -> button, remove the disabled attribute. Click the button. Success
 
12:29 PM
That's cheating! :-)
 
That is using the resources the tool provides
 
done that a few times ... specially on meta when a grumpy mod or CM closes the question just when I'm about to hit send ...
 
Grumpy mod or CM? Now I know you're playing with my head.
 
4 times abused on MSO by me for still visible questions
 
And you wonder why the mod team gives you a hard time!
 
12:37 PM
Yes!
I'm pretty sure I used it also once when Shog9 dupe hammered the question. That was taking a risk ...
 
12:56 PM
I don't come across many questions. Is it reasonable to close this to as General Computing? If it was the same question in Python, I'd call it Needs Focus. stackoverflow.com/q/62983652
 
I voted not about programming.
 
Does anyone think the tone of this answer is a tad unfriendly? (See my comment to the question and others.)
 
@AdrianMole It's plagiarism. No attribution.
 
I don't really care that they copied my comment - which was deliberately wrong, BTW - more the snarky afterthought.
 
@AdrianMole well, that's an at least unneeded remark.
 
1:09 PM
I think I'd edit it.
 
If they turn other people's comments into an answer, they could at least make it community wiki
 
@AdrianMole Would you like me to edit it so your name won't be attached?
 
Up to you. I have already voted to close the question - that would be the best outcome, then get the answer nuked.
 
@AdrianMole But that's not really my point.. it's still not their words regardless of how you feel about it.
 
... but I don't won't to get tied up in a slanging match.
@Scratte I agree. An exact (copy/pasta) comment-to-answer is a bit of a stretch.
But I'm probably on the edge of 'involvement', so I don't want to formally request any action. ;-)
 
1:14 PM
@AdrianMole Roomba doesn't care about involvement ;)
 
Roomba and I have a healthy - if a little distant - relationship! :-)
 
@AdrianMole Yes. I remember something about Roomba eating your Question. Yum yum :)
 
I like feeding the hungry.
 
I've had more than one Answer go the same way.. I guess my post was just the dessert.
 
1:23 PM
Odd, though. Proto-Mod's script says that Roomba won't scoff that one (too many comments).
 
Yes. It's a duplicate, so no 10 days mark..
Giving even more meaning to duplicates ;)
 
Hello world !!! testing online chatting.
 
@Shakil this is not the best room to test things. You might like our FAQ: socvr.org and do know there also is a sandbox room: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/1/sandbox where you can test as much as you like.
 
1:48 PM
 
^^ rude or abusive
 
I took one for the team
 
2:06 PM
@MarcoBonelli That's actually considered valid practice (according to the meta threads) using another persons comment and posting it as an answer.
 
@rene what is "lunlin"?
 
@Braiam I have no idea. It doesn't exists afaik
 
@bad_coderI was talking about the unnecessary (and kind of unfriendly) remark at the end of the answer..
 
@Braiam Not even Google knows what that is!
 
@bad_coder see revisions
 
2:10 PM
@MarcoBonelli now, if you read the "meta posts" regarding that issue of posting someones' comment, that users said ipsissima verba the dominant tone of those "meta posts".
that guy should be massivly up voted, he followed official meta policy to the letter.
:D !!!!
 
@bad_coder not sure what you're talking about. There's a meta post that specifically says to tell other people that "they are wasting other's time"?
Nonetheless, the poster didn't even credit the comment's author, which I would not define "ipsissima verba"
 
@bad_coder Offering a brief 'answer' in the form of a comment is, IMHO, fine for an obvious duplicate. Posting an actual answer is not good.
 
@bad_coder This meta post sums up my feelings very well: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/253068
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... but I am aware that opinions vary.
 
@AdrianMole I can strongly relate, wandering primarily around I do that or see other people do that quite often.
 
2:16 PM
@MarcoBonelli If you want to write an answer based on someone else's solution from the comments then it is ok, but do not repost the comment as your answer with a cheeky remark at the end. That's not cool
 
@MarcoBonelli Indeed. The C/C++ tags are generally very well moderated; it's just a shame that there are a few folks who think that their reputation is more important than the site's or the tags' reputation.
 
@Dharman well, yes, that's exactly what I was saying.
 
@Dharman especially when the comment/answer is not correct! ;-P
 
OT, but does anybody know if amongst all the existing user scripts for SO there is any script to change SO Chat default notification sound?
 
2:23 PM
Did they get rid of the thanks reaction?
 
if you notice carefully, the post starts with a reference to Robert Harvey (a mod at that time)

"Robert Harvey's excellent answer in the linked question above is that one can copy the comment that answers the OP's question into an actual answer and mark it as community wiki."
 
@IanCampbell Yes, it's gone
 
@IanCampbell yep, removed while analyzing results of the test
 
I should probably not mention it in my NAA comment then...
 
@Lankymart I can't delete it yet
 
2:26 PM
Just wait 1 day @Dharman :P
 
@Dharman Sorry wasn't angling for it to be deleted, just wish people would engage rather than taking the easy option.
 
@MarcoBonelli I once made an chat audio volume script. I never checked but maybe that scripts gives you a starting point how to get jplayer load a different mp3.
 
@JeanneDark Does it really need details?
 
@Dharman clarity
 
2:52 PM
@JeanneDark have already posted a request for this ;)
 
@desertnaut Sorry, I should have scrolled up a bit further
 
@JeanneDark no problem, just sayin...
BTW, I never scroll up myself to check before posting :/
 
@rene thanks for the link. Now that I think about it what I want is an order of magnitude simpler, just $('#jplayer > audio').src = X;
 
that will work, yes.
 
^^ NAA (link-only answer to their blog)
 
3:11 PM
@desertnaut Sometimes I put the Question id in the search field. But mostly because I can't remember if I've posted the same request before.
 
@MarcoBonelli There's SE Chat custom notification sound, which appears to be unmaintained (i.e. comments imply non-working). There's a fork that another user created on GitHub.
 
Both not working . :D
 
@Makyen thanks. I think that using cross site resources is a bit of a problem, that's probably why they do not work. I'll probably stick to my handmade solution since I don't need a fancy UI for that.
 
@Shree Then, I guess I must have made local changes that I wasn't remembering and need to submit a PR. I knew I needed to submit a PR for other issues, which I recently changed, but I thought it was basically functional as-is.
 
3:26 PM
@Makyen Google Chrome
Version 84.0.4147.89 (Official Build) (64-bit) not work if its related with script.
 
@Shree Not work, as in "I can't open the dialog and select a sound", or as in "it leaves the sound disabled when you load the chat page, unless you manually select a sound"?
 
It leaves the sound disabled
 
@Shree OK. That I know about, and very recently grew frustrated enough with it such that I fixed it. I also didn't like it storing data in the site's cookie, so changed that. I had wanted to do a bit more testing, but I'll submit a PR.
 
Thanks for care.
 
np
 
Does userscript support CORS? Because SE staff's browser extension implies not...
 
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