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4:03 PM
- or maybe that last one should be merged into the one it's a duplicate of, to preserve the answers.
Oh, great. Now I'm out of both daily votes and daily flags.
That's it for me, then.
Just figured out there's at least 5 duplicates of "HTML <input> vs <button>", all with a bunch of upvotes.
@AnnZen it is good to place 1 space between the 2 tags.
@bad_coder 'k.
@AnnZen nice, you'll notice most of the others users also use 1 space. (It's part of the SOCVR posting guidelines.)
I don't think SE wants me to help out anymore. No more votes. No more flags. Too many pending edits. Great.
@Andreas Your 2 pending suggested edits just got my approval.
4:13 PM
@eyllanesc Is that a valid use of the duphammer? I personally think it's great, but I thought I had heard previously that the target actually needs to be answered.
@bad_coder Thanks a lot.
@Andreas no problem, just uncluttering the queue and keeping things flowing...
@IanCampbell I do not understand you, I have marked as duplicate because both questions are the same written differently
@eyllanesc I 100% agree with your logic, and if you do it all the time and have never been question, I will certainly start doing it myself once I earn a gold badge in .
4:18 PM
@IanCampbell Why would I be questioned?
Because the target of your duplicate closure is not answered. The closure dialog box says "This question has been asked before and already has an answer."
I truly only wanted to understand your experience, sorry to have bothered you.
@IanCampbell Hmm, the goal of closing a question as a duplicate is to point out that question was already asked. If the OP has asked the same question then it will be closed because it is useless, and then the OP will have to focus on editing its original question.
@Andreas If you want a quick rep hit, find something that is usually tagged wrong (that you can list using search), or a documentation site that migrated domains...Assertive retags and broken URL fixes get approved quickly.
@Andreas You can get around 18 edits per day through the queue, for 36 rep (I only managed 19 once I think.)
@eyllanesc I totally agree with you. If I had 20k rep, I would have voted to delete the second post too.
Thanks for your comments, and again, sorry to bother you
@bad_coder I know. I've done that in the past. Thanks anyway. Haven't tried specifically searching for broken links.
@bad_coder I'll see if I can beat your 19 approvals. ;)
@IanCampbell Questions can be closed as duplicates of an unanswered question but only if the target is asked by the same user.
Is there a meta post I can link to?
dbc
dbc
@bad_coder There's a salvage effort going on for questions currently, which are questions whose tags got stripped away due to some error. Most of these seem related to so if one wants to re-tag some stuff one could fix some of those. See: Can the untagged followers please attend to their tag?.
@IanCampbell Dunno.
4:27 PM
@IanCampbell This answer by a mod is related.
@JeanneDark Oh, that's a good one. I will use that. Thanks so much.
@dbc Thank you for the suggestion, I will take a note. But until the end of the month I'm already concentrated on a few badges.
@dbc untagged isn't the result of an error, it's very much intended. :)\
I just want to have a solid argument to fall back on before I start doing things.
@IanCampbell In these cases it's not so much about a question closed as a duplicate of an unanswered one, but a user basically asking the same question multiple times and users with the power to stop them do so.
4:34 PM
@Andreas Check dbc's suggestion just up thread for a good target. You can also retag some historical documentation tag uses to put them up to modern standards.
@AnnZen Are you getting these close requests from a review queue? You seem to be posting quite a lot and from a whole range of different tags.
@AdrianMole Definitely not.
OK. Just wondering.
np
Am I proposing too much?
@AnnZen can you slow down a bit? Please be aware of our guidance on how much requests can be made per day: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-limit-your-requests
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4:37 PM
That's not for me to say. I'm just an ordinary guy hanging out here for the jokes.
@AnnZen There's some guidance in the SOVR FAQ.
@JeanneDark In case you haven't noticed, there are some good suggestions just up thread about getting rep from curating tasks.
@rene Regarding the questions - is in such cases help from users who can only suggest edits useful or a nuisance because they have to be reviewed?
Did rene just insert a message between two?
@AnnZen Refresh the page, probably lag from your side.
4:39 PM
@JeanneDark Thanks.
@AnnZen No. Just a case of near-simultaneous posts. The Fuzzy Flower has a habit of upsetting the flow of conversation.
@bad_coder Yeah, I saw. :) Thanks, @dbc
@AdrianMole Oh. But I was pretty sure Jeanne gave me the link before rene.
@AnnZen you've posted 25 requests today based on my rough count, that is 10 more then we technically permit based on what we established in the FAQ. You're reached your daily limit ;)
okay, I guess there's nothing else i can do here today :)
4:42 PM
@AnnZen You can stay here and offer advice to others, if a question comes up in your specialities.
... and make jokes about the Room Owners. :-P
good idea
Which one?
Well, offering advice to others by telling them to make jokes.
The best thing about rene is all the flower jokes.
@JeanneDark re-tagging is better done by 2K-ers as reviewers often don't understand why you're retagging. What you can do is check for posts that are off-topic or need to be closed for other reasons and flag those and report them in untagged clean-up chatroom or here. Either the review queue of regulars here can take care off them
4:44 PM
@AnnZen that was a good joke.
@rene Thanks!
jw
@rene I would actually disagree with this, the suggested edit queue has enough talent to distinguish a proper retag. And the tag-wikis provide guidance. You should give a comprehensive description in the edit summary so the reviewer (and OP) understand why and how...
I think you may be over-estimating the amount of effort the average suggested edit reviewer expends on each review task.
@IanCampbell if he's out of his depth he can press skip and leave it to the next guy for whom that retag is a no-brainer.
4:50 PM
@Andreas I believe we try not to moderate users in this room
You could post that in Charcoal HQ though.
@bad_coder true, if you give it a long edit comment you might be lucky with a reviewer to pays enough attention. @JeanneDark If you're daring enough and prepare a lengthy comment (d link to the meta post) for the editors you might give retagging edits a go but keep an eye if you get much rejections.
@IanCampbell Wasn't aware. Thanks
@rene I'm not daring enough and that's why I stopped suggesting edits long ago. i will take your advice and keep on flagging.
What also can annoy reviewers are edits that are just re-tags, when there is clearly other stuff in the post that needs improvement, too.
I've certainly been known to reject questionable retags when there are terrible grammar mistakes
4:53 PM
@JeanneDark fair enough, just trying to combine all advice into something that might work for you.
reports above from sd, including this one as well as this one, appear to be rude-abusive
Not sure if R/A but I wouldn't dispute. I took them as spam seeds.
Any combination of the two flags giving a 6 score will work, though.
I think.
@rene I know a lot of the reviewers (got 500 edits through the queue just recently). If you're doing retags supported by a tag-wiki this kind of edit summary is over 95% effective.
Yes, Spam + R/A >= 6 == Delete is my understanding as well.
@JeanneDark ^^ just a thought.
5:07 PM
@bad_coder good to know.
@bad_coder Thanks for the suggestion!
@bad_coder Maybe people really do read the suggested edit reason
@rkta We don't discuss users in the room (even if you think the pattern is merely surrounding them). If you feel there is a strange pattern, please mod flag their most with an explanation
@rkta Is the concern that a single user is being targeted unfairly?
@Scratte The issue with dogs and chocolate is theobromine, not caffeine. I made some ballpark calculations in an earlier chat conversation starting about here.
@Machavity Ok
Just asking so I can help you find the right forum to address your question.
5:41 PM
@IanCampbell I think anything I could say, would discuss users. But thanks anyways. I was just unsure if this activity is wanted.
@rkta Another potential forum at your disposal is a post on Stack Overflow Meta. This question may provide some helpful context.
@rkta You are welcome to ask a general question here about how to handle a situation. We just don't want to have the information identifying the user, or a link to a specific user/edit/review/post/etc., when you are asking about a user. If you are asking about content, then links to specific pages are fine.
@Makyen I will remember this.
@rkta Thanks.
But I got my answer already - use a mod flag. But I don't think it is worth to bother the mods with this.
5:54 PM
@Makyen Rumour has it that Cody allegedly knows a thing or two about theobromine (amongst the many other things he allegedly knows stuff about). :-)
Nothing wrong with chocolate... I eat it quite often... mind you.... wonder if that explains the bright yellow colour...
I like that that Wikipedia page can so nonchalantly say the LD50 for humans is approximately 1g/kg. Like someone tested that.
@AdrianMole Theobromine is actually a quite useful substance. For example, it's about 4 times better at suppressing coughs than codeine.
Too bad suppressing coughs kills kids with coughs.
Also a mild aphrodisiac, IIRC.
5:58 PM
@IanCampbell it could have been someone being a bit of a glutton and ending up passing and the post-mortem identified certain levels and they took a guess?
@IanCampbell That depends on the reason for the cough. There are multiple over-the-counter cough suppressants.
@JonClements Oh, that's a good thought.
Not that puppies need aphrodisiacs.
Can some of you that still have close votes left filter on untagged in the CV Queue to assist the untagged salvage effort?
@rene could you provide a link to additional instructions? I can work on it
6:00 PM
@IanCampbell beyond close voting you mean?
If that's all I'm supposed to do, then no
@rene That's perfect
awesome!
@Makyen I was being hyperbolic, of course, but the American Academy of Pediatrics recommends against use of cough suppressants, particularly in children under age 4.
6:04 PM
The API limit for edits is pretty limiting. No way to get more, right? At this rate, it'll take weeks until I'm done tagging
@Daniil Why would you use the mcve option?
@ErikA What is it you're trying to do?
@JonClements Adding the ms-access tag to every question tagged access-vba, so access-vba can be merged with vba and the last *-vba tag will be gone
@ErikA No please no
Leave access vba alone.
@IanCampbell Thanks. I should have been more detailed in my earlier response.
6:07 PM
I'm sorry Braiam, we've had this conversation. The status-quo with only access-vba is not beneficial to anyone, and the boat to keep all *-vba tags has sailed
@ErikA No. and no.
user12867493
@Braiam The -pls generator chose that option for me
Access is a mixture of database and database viewer and can be used by more programming languages other than vba.
@ErikA I strongly suggest that you create a Meta post and get buy-in from the community prior to having your bot run.
For example: this question has nothing to do with vba stackoverflow.com/questions/62864748/…
6:10 PM
@Daniil The reason text the request generator uses should reflect the reason you used in your close-flag. Did you flag it as something else?
user12867493
@Makyen I flagged it as "needs debugging details"
@Makyen I've discussed it with Martijn Pieters here. And I've already done a first run. Note that I'm only adding a tag, not removing any. And the meta community is tired of all things vba I think
@Daniil That would be "no MCVE".
@Braiam I'm well aware. I'm user #5 on the top access-vba answerers all time.
@ErikA then, why would you commit seppuku?
6:14 PM
Thanks a log for bringing up Theobromine, now I'm all worried about my chocolate addicition
I would find infuriating have to wade through all access questions just to find questions about vba.
@Braiam Because the battle is over, and these tags have lost. It's the honorable thing to do.
And no, tag combinations don't work: you can follow discreet tag.
@ErikA Your edits at that volume will be noticed. They will put a bunch of questions on the front page, probably swamping out lots of content, and fill up the active lists for the affected tags. It's highly likely this will result in at least one meta post asking what's going on. The last time I remember something like that happening, CMs got involved and reversed all the edits. The CMs were... not pleased.
@rene Dumb question perhaps, but after retagging a single question from the CV review queue, it now says there are no questions to review. Am I doing something wrong?
6:21 PM
@Ian lots of others have been busy it seems: stackoverflow.com/review/close/history
OK thanks for the confirmation
@rene is sede updated yet?
@Makyen Huh? The linked chat message doesn't relate to close votes at all, and I try to pay my due by casting at least 3 votes per request
@Braiam based on this query I say yes: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1239509/…
Crap.
6:30 PM
@ErikA Arg! I'm sorry about that. It was supposed to be a reply to someone else. Due to an error on my part, the message number to which it was posted as a reply was wrong.
2 messages moved to SOCVR /dev/null, my error: I replied to the wrong message.
waffles
waffles
@IanCampbell yeah, there won't be much questions as most of them will be re-tagged. But I had cast a couple of close votes and I would find it a waste and it is not helping the clean-up if those would age away. Hence my request here. Thanks for checking, I'll ping you again if I seeded more.
user12867493
@Makyen What’s up with you today? :P
@Makyen That wasn't for me?
He is off by one
Ooh, is someone making waffles?
{yum}
user12867493
6:35 PM
@halfer Too late, they’re all gone now :P
@AnnZen It was for you, but upon looking at the request again, it appeared to be a fulfilled reopen-pls, not a cv-pls, so what I wrote in the first message was substantially wrong. The second message was OK, but the lead-in didn't make sense.
@Daniil That's OK, Makyen is an expert waffler, and is also known for being mighty generous.
@halfer I was thinking he was an expert in star formation.
@Daniil I think I might need more caffeine. :;
@Makyen I'm confused as I didn't get to finish reading the message.
6:37 PM
@AnnZen Yeah, sorry about that. Give me a moment to re-edit a bit.
@Braiam Well I need some waffles to fill the gravitational force emanating from the black hole in my belly. I am sure a star would be willing to help with this issue :=)
Be careful, before you know it @Makyen turns this into a Tavern where one-boxes of cat gifs are the norm ...
user12867493
@Daniil not enough signal to determine that
@Daniil Yeah, I would flag that
There's +3 for a question that is 7 days old and is a dup
6:41 PM
@AnnZen In the process of figuring out that I'd misunderstood one of your requests, I looked at the search we normally use to review unhandled cv-pls requests. I noticed there are a lot of requests from you that have no close-votes. When you have close-votes again (I'm assuming you're currently out), please go through the ones you've requested which haven't yet been closed and add a close-vote.
Unfortunately, our process here in SOCVR really isn't sustainable unless people are not not only voting to close the questions about which they make cv-pls requests, but also voting to close a significant number of the requests from other people. It would be quite helpful if you add your own close-vote to the questions you've asked us to evaluate for close-votes.
@rene Ouch. I definitely don't want to see that be the case. :)
@Daniil/@halfer umm... at a glance I'd say that looks like a reasonable question and it being python/flask - and with the view count - doesn't look too untoward... what is it I'm missing?
@Makyen Okay. The thing is, that's what I've been doing until I ran out of close-votes.
user12867493
@JonClements The high vote count compared to other recently asked Python Q’s
I feel like I'm full of dumb questions today, but why does this search turn up answered questions? i.sstatic.net/v4vnI.png
@Ian isn't it answers:0 ?
6:44 PM
@JonClements My two metrics would be (1) +4 in 20 minutes, and (2) several recent questions that are rather highly upvoted. However, I readily admit I am not familiar with the Python/Flask tags.
Maybe Python Qs are generally generously voted on.
user12867493
@halfer They aren’t
@JonClements Bingo. Thanks
@AnnZen Yep, that's basically what I assumed. I figured you wouldn't be able to do so until after 0:00UTC. Hopefully, some of the questions you've posted cv-pls requests for will have been closed by then. Running out of close votes is always quite frustrating, and usually easy to do. :;
Who knows... depending how things go... give it a week or so and you might find that much harder :p
@Daniil Fair enough. I assume that this sort of thing is harmless to flag - though of course I am open to correction by Jon/Cody here. I guess a mod would spend 60 sec having a peek, and then only do a more thorough voting investigation if a certain "smell test" was passed.
6:48 PM
@JonClements :)
Queen uncovers a lot
So if a comment complains against someone closing questions as dupes stating that the closure action is forcing the OP to creating multiple accounts to get out of Q ban, I would flag that comment to a moderator, correct?
@IanCampbell Note that SE considers an answered question to be a question with positive scored answers.
If you have a better solution to the question, you can still answer it ;)
@Braiam I'm just looking for yummy roomba fodder, but thanks
7:07 PM
@CodyGray There is highly viewed, IMO off topic, question going through reopen review queue right now. Can you please take a look Sending emails in Node.js?
7:17 PM
@Daniil It looks like they have 1 sock-puppet. But I think I am a little late to the party...
@HovercraftFullOfEels It sounds like a sufficiently strong indicator of someone who is creating accounts in violation of the TOS and rules, so, raising a custom mod-flag sounds like the way to go.
@DalijaPrasnikar Not sure, but will deleting that Q (by vote) remove it from the reopen queue? It's the third time in the queue - failed unanimously first two times.
I noticed that adding the delete button in the close dialog is effective
Question are deleted by owners much more.
Of course they then create a new account and reask the same, but nonetheless the delete button is very effective
@Dharman I noticed that adding the delete button in the close dialog is effective Where?
See the 2 cv-pls in this room
7:24 PM
OK. You mean the blue banner - which isn't really a dialogue.
ahh yes
the thing that pops up when you close
@AdrianMole I don't know. I can ask to del-pls, but that could take time and plenty of votes... there is also one reopen vote... so maybe it is best that mod takes a look and decides...
You had me all excitable there - expect a "Delete" option in the CV review queue.
@DalijaPrasnikar There are already 2 DVs on that question. One is mine. It's quite clearly off-topic.
How many more to kill it?
I think this could be a good candidate for historic lock
I casted one... 7 to go..
7:27 PM
@Dharman Not sure. It sets a poor example.
Why this one sets a poor example?
Asking for external resource/library.
@Dharman If a newcomer sees this and thinks they can earn ~3,000 reputation from asking an off topic question, then it is doing real harm to the site.
Which is why it should be locked and closed as off-topic
Hi all o/
@Dharman But it would then remain visible.
7:36 PM
Hi Tree with eyes
Can we call you Treebeard in here? (As we're among 'friends'.)
@AdrianMole Which I think would be even a good thing. Other people can point at it and say "See, we can't ask questions like this one"
I can see your POV, but newcomers want rep - and that's a bad example.
... of how to get it.
@AdrianMole That would be in bad faith. It is very clear that when a post is closed for being off-topic, but locked for historic reasons, it is not ok to ask more questions like that.
Like I said, I can see both sides of the argument. Presumably, a lock would also lock against reopening.
7:41 PM
@AdrianMole Also; you didn't rollback that post far enough back.
When I was new to the site, seeing what was permitted before, but not now anymore, or has just been closed, but never was on-topic, was a good resource for better understanding the site.
@Andreas Feel free to correct. I just looked to undo the vandalism.
@AdrianMole It was not the only vandalism, if you consider replacing the question body with a new question, as being vandalism.
I have too many pending edits. I can't fix it.
I'll fix it if somebody accepts or rejects my currently suggested edits.
@Andreas Done! (Please check.)
@AdrianMole Just saw. :)
Better?
7:45 PM
@AdrianMole Ja.
Bitte.
Does anyone want to help me edit 90 terribly formatted posts?
What's the pay-scale?
@Dharman I can't. Nobody has reviewed my edits yet.
7:49 PM
I have encountered those: stackoverflow.com/…
Zoe
Zoe
@Dharman there's some plain-text in there that should either be comments or split the code block
@Zoe Thanks, but it still does not look correct to me.
8:07 PM
@Dharman Just terribly formatted.
@Zoe Yet another post nicely deleted thanks to the new big red button
@Andreas FYI, if you think a request is no longer correct, you can/should tag a Room Owner to remove it for you so that others don't spend time reviewing it (a lot of us use scripts that list unhandled requests, so people may not see the context around in in chat)
You can grab the permalink to the message from the menu on the left of the chat message to reference it
@RyanM How far back into the log are you now? I'm not really sure what you're talking about.
@Andreas Quite far back. If you click the arrow next to my message, you can see the message I replied to, but the request I'm referring to is this one
@RoomOwner I'd appreciate a removal of a cv request of mine: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/49896239#49896239
@RyanM Thanks.
I gtg now.
8:22 PM
no problem, see you later
Also @Makyen since you're the last active RO ^
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
@RyanM Thanks for the ping.
What to do about this answer? stackoverflow.com/a/21859276/1839439
@Andreas Unfortunately, there's no way to ping all the room owners with a single @ ping. For removing requests, it is helpful if you ping one of the activ ROs, as messages can easily be missed. You can find a list of room owners on the room's info page, which is linked just below the tags for the room in the right-sidbar (desktop version). For SOCVR, there's also a list of room owners in the FAQ.
8:26 PM
@Dharman If you're feeling particularly grumpy, flag as abuse?
I think it would get declined in this case.
Good intentions
I'd like to flag as NAA, but it kind of answers the question I think
What would you want to do about it? The problem is really with the questions, is not?
I think unfortunately, it is an answer.
What is wrong with the question?
A bit vague? But not even close to my SME.
8:28 PM
I think close the question as not reproducible. Then delete the whole thing.
@Dharman Remove the "Hope that helps". It's a valid answer.
@IanCampbell My guy
" I am happy to report the issue was testing my file in browsers locally."
@Makyen I can't
@IanCampbell Good catch, I dismissed that as noise
Should questions with code/logs shared in pictures be sent here?
8:31 PM
I'm going to print us some hats "Make SO deleted again"
@ChristopherMoore Depends. High-traffic tags, new question: Likely to get closed quickly without our help.
@AdrianMole Is flutter a high-traffic tag? And is an hour-old question still considered new?
I think this room should be used as a resource for questions that need to be closed/deleted quite urgently and/or are unlikely to get closed without the room's help.
@ChristopherMoore Ideally sent it into review by flagging, casting first close vote. If you think the normal process will not be able to handle it then you can ask us here.
@ChristopherMoore We leave this up to you to judge. In PHP I usually wait a couple hours, but if I think something needs to be closed as quickly as possible I ask here.
@Dharman Same here with me, in the C/C++ tags. If I fear that a dupe/typo is gonna get answered, I'll come here to look for a quick closure.
8:36 PM
In R, I typically only request a CV if I think the question is going to attract a bunch of totally useless comments and low quality answers that may prevent it from getting Roomba-ed
@AdrianMole +1, it might be a good idea to clarify/update the relevant parts of the SOCVR FAQ. The guidance given by the room/usage by regulars is a little different than what is on the website (which was more applicable in the five-close-votes era), and I think makes more sense than what's on the website.
@Dharman I've edited it. Doing so did require adding some code, but at least the "Hope that helps" is gone.
@RyanM Let's let the election happen. Then see what may happen with the incumbent Room Owners - and let any new 'committee' decide on that.
You can't be a RO and a mod?
Not sure. But it may be considered a conflict of interest?
8:38 PM
While the election may change some things, I think the guidance would still be useful to improve
Machavity addressed the issue in a reply to my comment in his Questionnaire post.
Also, I think some of the mods elected in recent elections were ROs here until they were elected.
@IanCampbell This was discussed among the ROs during the last election. We didn't see a conflict of interest, but left open the possibility that resigning may be needed. It was pointed out that there are multiple rooms where moderators are also ROs. It was also discussed in the room. While people were interested and wondered, there really wasn't much actual concern expressed.
@Makyen But, as a mod, wouldn't you anyway have the same 'rights' as a RO?
@AdrianMole No, as far as I know, there has not been a SOCVR RO elected as a moderator.
OK - My bad. Just regular contributors, then.
8:42 PM
Thanks, @Makyen I also rolled back the edit in question
JFF and the "Tree" were both active in here, was not?
@AdrianMole Abilities, yes. Those and more. At least to me, it's a question of responsibility and engagement.
@Dharman np. Rolling that back looked like it would be a good idea.
... And Bhargav.
@AdrianMole Yes, but not ROs.
np TIL
... I excuse my ignorance with my relative youth.
8:43 PM
:)
@Makyen can I cv-pls that question even though there's no recent activity? No one in the review queue will ever notice the rolled back edit (even though it was clearly reasonable)
@AnnZen This question is not requesting libraries/tools; it's asking if there is any way to, in essence, have one source of a library for multiple apps on Android without including that library in each of the apps. CommonsWare's questions are on point, and would dictate the solution, if one is in fact possible/practical.
I guess one could argue it has lasting value, particularly with your nice edit.
Haha, I guess Adrian doesn't care =P
@IanCampbell +1, I think the combination of a good title and an answer that applies to the general situation with that title would generally lean toward not closing
@IanCampbell I'm not really seeing a reason to close it, unless Chrome has changed such that the issue is no longer reproduceable (I haven't checked).
8:48 PM
Ask yourself one question: "Can you reproduce it?"
So complicated. I'll leave it to the professionals
I could create a local HTML file and try to set a cookie
@AdrianMole I don't know. I don't have Chrome running right now. Starting Chrome is a pain, because it opens all the different profiles I had open the last time I was running it, instead of the sane way that Firefox handles multiple profiles where there's one program instance per profile and I can select the profile I want to use when I start the program. :;
It's funny how Dharman wanting to get rid of IHTH sets off a whole chain reaction.
IHTH?
8:56 PM
@Scratte I swear you asked this yesterday. Are you trolling me? =)
No, that was a different Scratte
@Scratte In hospital, theobromine helps.
@Makyen Thank you :) But I was sort of just making an example with chocolate :) And then expanding on the coffee, due to the misconception that one doesn't grow when drinking coffee :)
Ooops.. It did look familiar, but I couldn't find it in my "weird Stack Overflow abbreviations" file
8:59 PM
YNANF
And adding a letter certainly didn't make it searchable in my file :(

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