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8:23 AM
@bad_coder that pending edit needs a rejection, too [done]
 
@RyanM you are right. Done.
 
Thanks, fixed the code too, which does make the post better (do people not read their own posts?) but I think it still lacks enough details about what all they did
In retrospect, I could've reject+edited it, but I didn't notice the first time that it had made one improvement among all that random code formatting
 
8:42 AM
@RyanM The code wasn't added by the OP. So it's dubious, a random member adding code to a question without visible prior dialogue in the comments. The original question was a definite close.
 
@bad_coder View the diff as Markdown
 
@RyanM yeah, and those inline code highlights around tech names are definitive nonsense...That's a edit reject all by itself.
 
what do you mean?
(that doesn't display as marvelously in chat I'm afraid ... that's code formatting on every other word)
 
@tripleee exactly. (and indeed it doesn't display well in the chat.)
 
@bad_coder it's not even just tech names, it's ...random phrases. But yeah, hidden code is a fun side effect of the Markdown parsing in HTML questions
 
8:45 AM
@tripleee the trick is to make it more distinct
 
unless someone has recently released a library entitled "added static block to all urls"
 
@bad_coder for the record, it's not too uncommon that users post HTML which disappears from view entirely but which is actually there, just not rendered
 
@tripleee ???? I probably haven't noticed...Must have been invisible :D
 
@VLAZ the more distinct the better
that actually just ends up looking like there's something horribly wrong with the font hinting...like I was transported back to a Linux system from 10 years ago
:D
 
OK, don't know how to make alternating markdown in chat
 
8:49 AM
the original text of my message is **t**h**e** m**o**r**e** d**i**s**t**i**n**c**t** t**h**e b**e**t**t**e**r**
 
I wanted to make plain "y", italics "e", bold "s"
 
@RyanM that's what I thought :)
 
I'm not sure why it didn't like the ** after the e, but I just deleted it rather than try to figure it out
 
It's messing up the parsing of the stars
 
I'm out...See ya. o/
 
8:52 AM
o/
 
o7
 
@RyanM In the world of JavaScript, you can really never be too sure.
 
@CodyGray next you're gonna tell me there's a library that identifies if something is a positive integer, and that it has 2 dependencies
 
Oh dear
 
Dependencies: is-safe-integer, number-is-integer
 
8:56 AM
number-is-integer itself depends on is-finite
Is it just turtles all the way down? Or did someone write some actual code somewhere?
 
Awesome, the is-safe-integer package is deprecated...
 
In response to the changing political climate, integers are now encouraged to be unsafe.
 
But it DOES have a dependency itself: max-safe-integer
 
I finally found some code. Wow is it ugly. But I think that might just be Javascript.
Seriously, this is a library? There's such thing as modular, and then there are just functions...
 
Micromodular? Nanomodular?
 
8:59 AM
I bet this guy has a lot higher paying job than me. Some recruiter saw his GitHub and said, "wow, major contributor to a large number of open-source software libraries!"
 
If it matters, a contributor to is-positive-integer is on SO and has a gold badge in JS
 
Makes sense. It seems everything else in JS depends on that fundamental library. That guy must be a world-renowned expert.
 
OMG, it's just fractally bad. This is the dependency that isn't deprecated. But its build fails.
 
It is especially interesting when one of these "libraries" gets taken down, and thousands of applications suddenly break
 
What a nightmare.
File this under the category "did you really need a library to do this?"
It would have taken less time to write the code than it would to hunt down a library, test it, manage a dependency, document it, etc.
 
9:05 AM
@CodyGray I mean, no. Number.isInteger(x) && Math.sign(x) > 0 is what you need. Not two dependencies each with more dependencies.
 
That would not pass code review for me until you add parentheses around the groups of expressions
I do not wish to memorize the associativity of operators and work out whether that logical-AND has higher or lower precedence than the arithmetic comparison.
 
( Number.isInteger(x) ) && ( Math.sign(x) > 0 ) that works for me.
I don't mind the braces being there.
 
Why did all those extra spaces show up? :-(
You should break this very important code out into a library so that we can maintain and improve it.
 
is-positive-integer-new
 
@CodyGray That code is very ugly and useless. To write a one-liner one needs to install 25 files, consume electricity and Wi-fi, etc.. I am thinking of polar bears ;)
 
9:09 AM
Yeah, the polar bears always get mad when I consume too much of their bandwidth
 
There is, in fairness, an is-positive-integer library with no dependencies, but that wouldn't have made for as good a joke :-)
 
Two libraries with the same name?! What shall we do about this name clash? We need to create another library to handle that.
 
well the other one was is-positive-int :-p
 
In other news, it is a really sad testament to Javascript's lack of type safety that these kinds of libraries were ever written.
 
@CodyGray There are second users after turtles
 
9:18 AM
(It took a long time because I checked on SO first, and spent the past several minutes deleting noisy comments.)
 
@CodyGray But how do I reuse that? I can't seem to install the library.
 
Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V
 
Two dependencies again?
 
The universal package manager. Installed everywhere.
But seriously, I now feel even more smug about my language of choice that there isn't such a trash library for it. :-)
 
except watch out for that aggressive copyright license
 
9:21 AM
"You cannot use the content (either whole or partial) for any commercial or academic project."
Wow. So...what good is it?
Ugh, reminds me of that supposedly "copyrighted" code to determine the absolute value of a number.
 
I am skeptical that all of those terms are enforcible quite as strictly as they are set out there (for instance, a 40-word purely descriptive quote linking to their website is almost certainly fair use under US copyright law), but it does make their site significantly less useful.
 
brb, hiring a lawyer to see if I can reuse code that determines whether an integer is positive
There is such thing as "novelty" and "originality"
 
@CodyGray but you can't patent algorithms/mathematical ideas (iirc, that's what my dad told me, he's a patent attorney)
 
@Adriaan That's supposed to be true, but not always the case in practice.
 
@Adriaan Topological sorting is patented. Also, algorithms can be patented if you want to protect from others reusing them. The problem is that it make the algorithm public
 
9:32 AM
Yeah, my company has a bunch of algorithms patented. In retrospect, it was probably a poor decision.
U.S. patent law is horribly broken, for so many reasons.
 
the root cause for every problem in the world is corruption in Washington DC it seems
 
Oh yes - the only reason I know of topological sorting is because it's an algorithm used in spreadsheet software - if you modify a cell and want to propagate this to any other cells that use the value of the original. It's not at all obvious that's the case but you would be breaching the patent there.
 
Nah. Some problems are caused by corruption in Westminster.
@VLAZ Patented in 2019? That's crazy. There are far too many people in the patent office who just don't do any research.
If that was patented in the early 1980s, maybe.
But at any point in 2000, there's prior art galore.
 
Wait, maybe I'm thinking of something else?
It was "topological something" and it's an old mathematical concept
most likely patented in the 80s
 
No, you linked to a patent on topological sorting in spreadsheets from 2019. I think that's what you meant to link to.
 
9:41 AM
I just searched for "topological sorting patent" and picked the first one that seemed relevant.
 
@CodyGray but Westminster is a sock puppet of the same puppetmaster, which is because corruption in WDC
 
I checked, the concept is called "topological sorting" - it is also used in spreadsheet software. However, you have different implementations. If you're writing a spreadsheet software, you might clash with a patent if you don't check all patents on topological sorting.
 
@tripleee Ah, you mean I can delete Boris Johnson's account as a sockpuppet of Donald Trump?
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This is good news.
 
I'd be prepared to accept that some things in China and North Korea etc may have a different root cause, but even those are iffy
 
Can't we blame all of those problems on Nixon?
 
9:55 AM
We can.
 
I could swear I've seen a Meta question with a similar title before. Are people this predictable and monotomous?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Thanks, somebody else has already pinged me. I find their attitude quite offensive so I am staying out of it.
 
You do well. That is yet another Meta Q I wouldn't mind being super-downvoted.
 
11:29 AM
What would be a mostly reliable question to distinguish a request posted here via a userscript? Would it be something like "[tag] <text> <link to post> <more text>", so I can grab the last link to a post from a message?
 
I don't understand the question, you want to find a report which was known to be posted by a userscript?
my (Smoke Detector) cv-pls:es have generally been generated via the cv-pls userscript, if that helps at all
 
12:03 PM
@tripleee no, I want to find reports, even manual ones. The script appends a link to the username, so I want to accommodate for that but manual reports will just be [tag] <text> <link to post> - that should be easier to parse.
I just want to know if I'm missing some type of report here.
Also, I'm OK with the odd false negative I want a rough look of how to find requests.
 
so "mostly reliable question" is a typo and you mean "mostly reliable method"? You want to be able to separate the generated ones from the manually composed ones?
 
No, I want to get both types. Any report that is an x-pls
 
there's a userscript which decorates that with many additional filters, not sure which one (I probably have too many installed)
 
It matches this which isn't a report. It also doesn't match a del-pls
 
that's true, of course; you might need some additional filtering
more from that userscript, with a hint as to what it might be called: i.stack.imgur.com/LAzR9.jpg
 
12:09 PM
Morning
 
 
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2:20 PM
Ugh, they changed the markup of the close dialogue window again...
@Lankymart I don't personally see how that is a duplicate of the target. It sounds like OP is trying to replace all instances of | with , in a file rather than copy data from multiple files into one new file.
Yeah, they combined the reason name and the "(too old to migrate)" fragment into the same element, yay...
 
3:10 PM
 
3:42 PM
@Adriaan I mod flagged
 
4:17 PM
 
5:25 PM
@VLAZ The script tripleee is using is the URRS - I'm not sure if you're looking for a userscript that does that (which this does) or if you're looking for code that parses *-pls messages, but either way, this has it
Unrelated: Does a spam post with only -3 points (i.e., not to -6 yet, with no upvotes) being "flagged as spam or offensive content and deleted ... by Community♦" mean a moderator cast a binding red flag on it?
 
@RyanM if the user is not deleted I think that could be the case yes.
 
@RyanM I assume you were referring to some prior spam you commented on. In that case the user was destroyed. Same net effect
 
@VLAZ Are you parsing the DOM or the event records provided by the Chat SE-internal API?
 
Could this qualify for R/A? stackoverflow.com/a/62682005/5468463
 
@Vega well, it is not nice but ... NAA should get rid of it as well.
 
5:35 PM
@Vega qualifies for me
 
Thank you @rene, @NathanOliver
I think this one qualifies too? stackoverflow.com/a/62682070/5468463
 
Nah. Looks like someones bad attempt to post an error message to get help. I flagged as NAA
 
@NathanOliver, The error message has hidden text, I believe
I am overreacting, probably once more
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I got my answer :)
 
5:47 PM
@Vega I'm not sure if the post is intentionally offensive, or just invoking a command, multiple times, with a name and options that are intended to be offensive, but sound cool to people with a teenage mentality.
 
@Makyen Ah, I see, pfff... ;) thank you :)
 
@Makyen Ahhh... it's a real command.
@Vega np
 
@Makyen What was the emoji for the horrified face? ;)
Thank you again
 
np
 
6:14 PM
@Vega 🚽
 
Which one is for facepalm, now? ;)
 
@Vega 😱 might work. :)
 
6:37 PM
Should we close it or edit? stackoverflow.com/q/62682410/1839439
 
@CodyGray More infinite turtles, unfortunately. You'd also need to delete Donald Trump as a sock for Vladimir Putin.
(Twitter is working on it).
 
@Dharman I closed it. Not enough info to answer that, not even if I try very hard.\
 
6:58 PM
@VLAZ Well, you could look at the scripts we use that do that. If you're getting the information from the DOM, then the URRS does what you want. If you're getting the events, then the Archiver parses those.
 
7:35 PM
@Andreas What do you mean by "give the final punch"?
 
@TylerH Closing it.
 
If you think a question is close-worthy, please specify an appropriate reason, preferably with [tag:cv-pls] preceding the reason.
Appropriate reasons are things like "opinion based", "too broad", "no repro", etc.
 
7:56 PM
@Makyen I wasn't aware of the internal API. Basically, next time I have free time I want to make a script that decorates any *-pls I open from here to provide context. I often open several then forget what the reason stated was. So my idea was to parse the request and if I visit the link I'll get the *-pls message on the page itself. To that effect I was hoping to just scrape chat. However, if there is a chat API that might be an even better source.
I'd have to look into it more, I was collecting ideas for a start, so that would be useful information to pursue, thanks. I'll also have a look at what the script does.
 
9:00 PM
 
@Dharman That's now been translated. Maybe now it should be "No MRE?"
 
@Machavity Can you remove the previous one, please? Cc @NathanOliver
 
9:37 PM
I wish we could delete this though :)
 
Haw haw.
 
Are we spamming (removed) now?
 
(re-removed)
 
Ooh, did someone say waffles?
 
No, just (removed)
 
9:38 PM
Pancakes will suffice
 
What pancakes?
 
I am once again reminded that I do not own a waffle maker, and that I want one but don't know how fancy a waffle maker I want
 
(removed)
 
So long as we haven't (removed) spamming.
 
The magical ones that keep appearing and disappearing
 
9:39 PM
@AdrianMole I removed some spamming earlier today, does that count?
 
I need to <chomp> on them quickly when they appear.
They can't disappear once I've taken a bite, them's the rules.
 
Hmm. Spam waffles. Yum-yum!
 
Spam waffles with maple syrup
 
I hate how we call self promotion spam
 
@RyanM I thought we all agreed that you should get the one that makes heart shaped waffles :)
 
9:41 PM
First it reminded me of Spam, now it will remind me of Spam Waffles®
 
@10Rep are you a Hormel Foods trademark lawyer?
 
That seems like the only career path for me...
Answer seems good to me, and he has other upvoted posts. Why is he blacklisted?
 
@10Rep they previously posted spam, but this one looks innocent to me
(that will unblacklist them)
 
Lets say I post some promotional posts and I find myself in bad standing. Will my id or my username be blacklisted?
 
@10Rep If you look at the why data, it will tell you why the user is blacklisted. You can get the why data through a variety of methods. The three most common are use the FIRE userscript, which displays the post and the why data as a popup, go to metasmoke, using the MS link in the chat message, or ask SD why and have the why data put in an additional chat message.
In most cases, the user will be blacklisted because another post of theirs received tpu feedback.
 
9:46 PM
Can anyone do fp-, or is that just for RO's?
 
@Makyen potentially silly question: how do I view the why via FIRE?
 
@Scratte I'm pretty sure your ID. Some people have the same username's, but the ID is unique.
 
@10Rep So.. then I can just create a new user with the exact same username.
 
@Scratte ID by default if someone blacklists you, but occasionally Charcoal people will watch your username as well to prevent...exactly what you just suggested (I'm not sure of the criteria for this; you'd have to ask someone in Charcoal)
 
@10Rep Please see What is Smoke Detector and how can I participate? in the SOCVR FAQ. You may also be interested in Charcoal's Introduction to Participating in Charcoal.
 
9:49 PM
@Scratte Yep! See this for more info.
 
@RyanM Hover the mouse over the post title.
 
ahhhh, thanks!
 
np. It's something that gets missed from time to time. We really should have some way for it to be more discoverable.
 
@Makyen What get's missed from time to time?
 
@10Rep That FIRE displays the why data when the post title in its popup is hovered.
 
9:53 PM
@Makyen Oh.
 
@10Rep VLQ isn't a close reason, and also that's not VLQ. The close reasons are the ones listed under "needs improvement"
 
@Scratte There are multiple lists. The user blacklist is the most dynamic, with most additions and removals caused by feedback.
 
@RyanM Check the edit history.
I didn't know that VLQ isn't a close reason, though.
 
@10Rep There is no edit history; any edits are in the grace period. If the post is no longer closeable for that reason, you should edit your message.
 
Can't edit anymore, sadly.
 
9:57 PM
out of curiosity, what was the original post?
gibberish that was then edited into a question?
 
It was unformatted code.
without a code fence
I wish I took a screenshot, but it gave me a headache
 
Oh, that's not VLQ either, or a reason to close. That's easily fixable, and should be fixed with an edit.
 
^ That is still not VLQ
This is VLQ: AS DGFsad?Gdfshngkl jdfsngk sdnfgjklndsfgjhkdfsbng j
 
@Dharman @RyanM I understand that, but when I looked at the post, it was wrongly indented, so I felt it would be a pain to edit. Therefore I put VLQ.
 
@10Rep The VLQ flag sends the Question to the Triage queue. If it should be edited, then it may get 3 "Requires editing".. then it goes to the Help & Improvement queue.. where someone will edit it.
 
10:04 PM
@Scratte What if it's already been in Triage? Like, if you click the "very low quality" link in the H&I queue?
 
@Scratte oh, good point, I forgot about that...
 
... I think that sends it into LQP. But I don't touch that link anymore - too many declined flags from using it.
 
@AdrianMole Then.. it actually goes back to Triage! I made several jokes about when being bored, one could ping-pong a post between Triage and the H&I queue.. until Samuel sees it, of course :D
 
@Scratte Aah! Then Sam will make a pong and ping you!
 
@AdrianMole Not sure if I'd call it a ping really. I would image a push of a button with a "There are no review queues available to you" as a result for ..a very long time? :D
 
10:08 PM
^ It's a special kind of ping.
 
Yes, it's the kind you only get when you try to find it :D
 
10:41 PM
@Dharman HONK
 
Someone should blacklist this user
 
(removed bad suggestions temporarily while I read the post in more detail)
 
Okay, I read it all. I don't think How to approve android SDK Licenses issue on Linux (GalliumOS)? is general computing, but I think it could use some info on why the canonical question for their error did not work for them, and I've commented to that effect. I'm also out of votes, so they're in luck for the next...oh, 64 minutes.
 
10:56 PM
 
@Dharman if only there were some useful explanatory text next to the giant honking edit button (I assume there's not - I don't have any closed questions).
 
@RyanM You're in luck. There's nothing to stop you from asking a really bad off-topic Question ;)
 
@Scratte Please recommend me the best libraries and also provide a complete tutorial for how to make an app that uses machine learning to detect whether an X-ray image contains cancer. I also need to know how to deploy it to all of the enterprise-managed devices at my company, which is especially hard because my Windows keeps crashing. Also, my current approach isn't working: why? It says there's no package named "tesnorflow" or something.
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11:45 PM
@RyanM Just use Kubernetes. If it doesn't work, you're pronouncing it wrong
 

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