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12:00 AM
@Braiam You are about 2.5 months late on that observation... I hope you had a nice vacation. :-)
@Vickel That's not how it works... You should close right away, then the OP can translate. (I can understand objection to immediate deletion. I generally won't do that even for non-English questions, as long as we catch them early enough. I only delete when it's an old non-English question, because then there's almost no chance the OP will return to translate. And even if they wanted to, they could/should just repost a new question.)
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I was thinking about if SE would forgo winter bash to make time for something else.
 
@CodyGray I right away, but didn't send it to this room
 
@CodyGray Random curiosity, is there a technical reason that you deleted and undeleted, or just a slip of the hand and/or script?
 
@Makyen Dismissed by a moderator who wasn't me as "helpful". Comment was: "it is spam", and a copy of the spam link.
The situation you guys were just analyzing is a perfect example of why it's hard to detect spam with 100% certainty.
I can see both sides.
 
I can too. That's a particularly hard one
 
12:05 AM
@RyanM Mistake.
I saw the title and deployed the nuke.
Then I realized an attempt was made to translate.
 
@CodyGray OK. Thanks. Was there more relevant information available to moderators other than what was in the body of the post? From what's in the post, I'd error on the side of not-spam, but I can see the other POV.
@RyanM Hmm... that's a good point. I had missed that they said they needed to reboot. The apt-get appears to be a direct copy from the highest voted answer. I'm not sure how much I see the reboot as differentiating it from that other answer. It seems more like a comment/edit.
 
@Makyen I don't think the mods had any other information. User has 3 deleted answers: 1, 2, 3. Second is definitely not spam. First and third, debatable.
I have no sympathy whatsoever for spammers, and don't shy away from destroying accounts. But, as a moderator, I do err on the side of caution if it looks like it might be a legitimate user/attempt to answer. Whenever possible, I prefer to salvage, rather than destroy.
But this doesn't mean you, as regular users, should shy away from raising spam flags on things that look spammy. That's why mods can "dispute" those flags.
 
@Makyen Hypothetically, say it weren't NAA: would the proper feedback (for potentially unintended spam) for smoke detector purposes be tp or fp?
 
On that one, I've deleted it, and I'm just letting the spam flags sit. It won't count against the user, but there'll be some paper trail indicating a spammer. I also haven't destroyed the account, making it easier to connect the dots in the future.
Next infraction is going to be the tiebreaker.
 
@CodyGray I agree with all of the above. While I can see that 1 & 3 are debatable, personally, I'm more on the "misguided user" side of the argument. :)
 
12:10 AM
@IanCampbell Meh. That's on whoever is that stupid.
 
+1, not malicious, the title literally says "Infectious file"
 
Fair enough, thanks for the guidance. I just try to stay weary of the internet.
 
On things like that, I'm OK with removing (de-linkifying) the links in order to make it a bit harder to, say, misclick or click on autopilot. But I stop short of removing it outright because we aren't responsible for stupid.
 
@RyanM If it's something which SD should block if SD was implemented on the SE system level, then it's TP. if it's repairable, then it's FP. In this case, I would have said FP, with the possibility that we come back and re-classify it, if the OP repeates the behavior after being told that they shouldn't do that.
 
@Braiam Yean, I don't camp on them either, but when you see one you have to do something. :-)
 
12:14 AM
@RyanM Hmm... that's a good point. I had missed that they said they needed to reboot. The apt-get appears to be a direct copy from the accepted answer. It looks more like a comment for that answer, rather than a new answer, but ...
@Scratte I'm still considering it. I said a bit more here.
 
@Makyen I remember you saying something similar in this room a while ago. I'll bug you about it later :)
 
@Scratte OK.
 
@Makyen Expect many bugs in the next 6-8 days! :-)
 
!!/amiprivileged
 
@IanCampbell ╳ You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
12:33 AM
@IanCampbell That's not the reason. You should be able to use FIRE regardless of having any SD privileges. FIRE just needs the Reviewer role on MS. The issue will likely be that you need to authorize FIRE separately for each chat domain (chat.SO, chat.SE, chat.meta.SE). If you used FIRE prior to having Reviewer on MS, then you may need to clear the configuration.
 
@Makyen I tried that too. I'm using Tampermonkey. I fear the settings aren't being removed when I uninstall. It's fine. I like providing feedback from the actual post anyway, because the post history can often be helpful.
 
@IanCampbell Please see this message. Yes, FIRE stores data in localStorage, which is part of the storage for the domain in the browser. Uninstalling and reinstalling FIRE or Tampermonkey won't clear it.
 
@Makyen Well, I nuked my entire local storage before seeing your message. But at least it's working now...
Thanks
 
@IanCampbell np. I'm glad it's working. I'm sorry I didn't get the information to you sooner (or have a button in FIRE you could push).
 
 
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@Makyen You think anyone has time to be a Stack Overflow moderator? :-p
 
@CodyGray That's a really good question. :) It's a trade-off as to what to spend time spend time on in life.
 
Now you make me re-evaluate my life choices :-/
 
2:36 AM
:)
 
@CodyGray You know a thing or two about pixels and bitmaps and things. Any idea what Big Hans means by 32bppPArb (the "PArb" part). Google just gave me several hundred ways to PArboil a chicken/potato/stoat...
 
@AdrianMole Haha. It's a .NET thing: System.Drawing.Imaging.Format32bppPArgb. But really, he's just referring to a 32-bit RGBA format that uses a premultiplied alpha channel.
 
^ Sorry, linked the user instead of the comment. Edited.
 
Ah, OK. GDI+. Makes sense. .NET WinForm's graphics are largely just a wrapper around GDI+.
 
Aha! So he just missed out a g.
 
2:49 AM
Yup
 
I'll see what he says, and maybe take the chance at a wee stab! ;)
 
He's just talking about the native format of graphics cards. I'm sure you're already doing it right. For more background on premultiplied alpha, see, e.g., this.
I can delete the comment and save you the embarrassment, if you like :-p
 
His embarrassment, you mean?
 
Sure, okay.
I guess GDI/GDI+ is the new C/C++
 
I use MFC's CImage for actual rendering (which wraps GDI+, I think). The 32-bit format is best for me, because I can just access the DIB as a flat array of DWORD, on which do do my tricks.
 
2:54 AM
@Makyen My flag was marked as helpful but the mod confirmed it was spam
 
Here is perhaps a better link on premultiplied alpha. If you use GDI, the only time you ever deal with an alpha channel is the AlphaBlend function, which uses the BLENDFUNCTION struct, and that's explicitly documented as being premultiplied alpha.
So you already know what this is and are using it, even if you don't know it.
@AdrianMole Nope. Wraps GDI.
And yes, that's exactly why you want to use 32-bit, and that's exactly why the video card uses it natively, too.
 
I will firmly put 3dsen in the cool things that I won't reject if someone offers it to me.
 
Emulators are awesome in general.
 
I'm sure I remember from somewhere in a M/S doc, that using GDI+ across EXE/DLL boundaries was bad and that, because of that, passing CImage objects across those boundaries is also bad.
 
@CodyGray Well, this one is special
Not sure if you've seen the video youtube.com/watch?v=_MBHj9IGZgE
 
2:58 AM
@AdrianMole I wouldn't rule out that the MSDN documentation or a note had a technical error at one time. But you don't pass GDI objects across module boundaries, either, so that would apply equally well to a wrapper around GDI, such as MFC's CImage. GDI object handles are technically global (stored in a global table), but they have affinity to a particular process, and the GDI APIs enforce this.
@NathanOliver Sorry, I scooped you. Already spilled the beans about your flag's disposal.
 
no worries. Saw that right after I posted.
 
@NathanOliver Ah, I wasn't sure if you read the entire transcript.
 
honestly I didn't. I have a user script that highlights chained messages and it happen to stand out after I joined the room.
 
@NathanOliver Thanks for looking into it. There was some more discussion on it in here earlier, with conversation ongoing for a bit. There was also a bit of conversation in CHQ about that question and the OP's subsequent questions (1 today).
 
@NathanOliver I have that user script, too. It's called "Makyen". :-)
At least, I think it's a user script. Maybe not. It's a bit too reliable.
 
3:03 AM
Annnnnd ninja'd :; I guess I should have read the rest of the transcript. :;
 
np. It was a tough one for me so I'm not surprised
@CodyGray lol
 
@CodyGray :)
 
@CodyGray The way I've worked it is to never pass anything more complex than the pointer to the DWORD data buffer between modules. Only one will ever need to (re)associate that with the containing CImage. It's been working for years now, without a glitch. (Though passing CImage pointers as is caused all sort of horrible crashes.)
 
I smell campfire outside. Now I want to go camping
 
@AdrianMole Yeah, that's actually the only way to do it. You use GetDIBits on the DC to get the raw bits of the map, then you use some kind of interprocess communication to pass those across module boundaries (WM_COPYDATA is the poor man's approach), and then you use SetDIBits to copy them into a memory DC created in that other process. Reverse the approach to copy things back.
Why you'd want to do this... I can't think of many good reasons.
Drawing logic should be per-process, and should only happen in the UI thread.
I'm a bit scared, though, because it sounds like you're passing raw pointers between modules. That's not at all safe.
@NathanOliver There's a trashcan fire going on over on Meta. You might be getting a false positive from that.
 
3:08 AM
hahaha
 
In my apps, the image is actually the data to be processed. Most 'normal' stuff (blurring, skeletonization, dilation, etc.) is done in the main program. Plug-in DLLs (MFC extensions) handle extra options (histogram-based levelling, etc.); pointers are members of MFC-derived objects. MFC handles all the actual transfer.
 
@NathanOliver Which userscript?
 
@AdrianMole If you require the DLLs to be MFC DLLs, then that helps you a lot. You can suddenly start making all kinds of assumptions, like that the ABI will be stable since it's all the same compiler. Still makes me feel a little bit funny to think of passing objects across DLL boundaries, but I guess it'll probably work.
 
IDK. I might be confusing the highlighting with something that is just built into chat for pings. I can never remember what all the US's do.
 
Yeah, chat already highlights linked messages when you hover over one of them. That's built-in.
 
3:18 AM
@NathanOliver The only things built-in are highlighting the parent and children of the message when you hover over the message, and jumping to the parent when you click on the up-left arrow that's at the left-top of replies.
 
Okay. that's what I was talking about then
 
OK. Darn. I was hoping to try out some cool new feature. :)
 
@CodyGray OK, It's way too complex to describe in detail. Briefly, the EXE will pass a pointer to a CDocument-derived object to the DLL. The DLL can use that pointer to ask the EXE for information in that document (the DLL imports the class from the EXE). The EXE won't load the DLL unless it passes very thorough ABI compatibility tests. It took me quite a while to get everything sorted and safe; but, once I got everything to conform with the MSDB docs, no more problems.
 
Ah, that sounds...sufficiently enterprisey.
 
4:19 AM
Someone upvoted that keysmash...
 
I know there's a lot of crazy upvotes due to the badges earned for voting but that really takes the cake.
 
@RyanM Ack, thanks. I had missed that.
 
4:40 AM
@Nick OP agreed with you...
 
@CodyGray I promise to give OP a bit more of a chance before I post next time...
 
@Nick I'm just mad that someone was finally able to snipe me.
 
user10957435
Lol. I always find it hard to snipe you.
 
"snipe"?
 
Beat to the punch
(Anyone got any other war metaphors?)
 
user10957435
4:49 AM
Snipe--as in definition 3 meaning to do something before someone else has a chance to.
 
#1 and #2 also fit.
Not the bird thing, though.
 
user10957435
How do #1 and #2 apply to this situation?
 
Ah, not familiar with that usage. Obviously I'm not going to enough auctions...
 
@Chipster I don't know about this situation. I was more thinking about me in general.
Meant as a joke.
 
Is it time for a snipe hunt?
 
user10957435
4:54 AM
@CodyGray Oh. That makes more sense now :)
 
user10957435
@Makyen I'm down.
 
user10957435
Yeah, I don't know. I didn't actually realize snipes were actually real until I looked up the definition of "snipe" and found it was a real bird. I always thought they were made up.
 
Poor birds :-(
 
 
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10:26 AM
@Makyen What does roomba fore. say here? can you confirm? stackoverflow.com/questions/62480806/php-mysql-form-to-database
Ahh never mind it is the API cache
It was better when it was scraping
 
Uncanny, I clicked the "show more comments" link and it was all replaced with Cody saying the comments are not for extended discussion :-p
 
@Dharman Yeah, performance was better then. Maybe the changes have stabilized at this point and I can go back to scraping.
 
@RyanM How's that for a spank on the wrist?
"You know you aren't even supposed to be reading these comments!"
 
hahaha
 
Aww, we're not doing bad puns?
 
10:36 AM
I'm usually doing bad puns.
 
 
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11:50 AM
 
@CodyGray I did a bad pun a while ago, but it was UDP and you didn't get it.
 
@E_net4likesfun Ah, yes; I require flow control and proper ordering.
 
12:27 PM
Happy Summer Solstice, folks! (Or Happy Winter Solstice for tink and others from upsy-down lands.)
 
I thought it would be upsy-downsy land..
 
You making funny of me ways to speaks?
 
12:40 PM
 
@Dharman is the 2nd one really no Roomba?
 
@desertnaut Yes, because FFN closed it with canonical to help OP solve the problem, but the question is No MCVE/unclear
 
BTW I just noticed that it is a pure coincidence I accidentally targeted a user with my requests here. It was unintentional and I think it says something about quality of their contributions.
 
Curious concatenations of coincidences?
 
1:02 PM
@desertnaut You mean the one I just commented underneath? ;)
 
@E_net4likesfun oops - comment wasn't there when I posted here, I swear! :)
 
1:17 PM
 
1:52 PM
@Vega kudos for your comment here: stackoverflow.com/questions/62486011/…
 
Thank you. I am glad it's gone :)
 
 
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3:31 PM
@AdrianMole Not 100% convinced, but it looks spammy and it is 1 rep account so it probably is spam
 
The code (now edited into fences) is the same as the +6 voted answer.
 
My assumption is that this answer on ^^ question is spam.
 
It is plagiarised with a link
 
@Vega Which one? Mine (now gone) or David's?
 
3:46 PM
Ah, sorry, David's
 
That one.
 
@AdrianMole Yours is kind of plagia too :)
 
OK! I would actually agree with both. But the 'plagiarism' in David's is self-propagation, is not?
Spam, anyway.
Could somebody with a Gold-Hammer maybe shorten the 'chain of duplicates' that starts here?
 
4:18 PM
Would you know what are the "S"s that appear on hover over some of the timeline rows?
 
@Vega Actions that occurred Simultaneously
 
Super, thank you!
 
5:00 PM
@Vega Nice find. How did you catch that?
 
Oh.. long story ;)
Without saying long, they spammed a lot
 
Grrr! I just failed an audit by trying to close it as a duplicate of this. Do I get sympathy or head-removal?
 
@AdrianMole That depends.. is it a duplicate?
 
That's what I'm asking. The fact that the questioner (in the audit) knows it's undefined behaviour is, IMHO, irrelevant.
 
Just realized they got all their reputation from this one Question :D
 
5:11 PM
@Scratte Hmm. Not sure that makes me feel any better.
 
@AdrianMole It's a sign that we're focusing on the wrong things ;)
 
But the x = ++x + ++x; thing (and similar questions with ++ in) is a really common question in C/C++ and I'm fed up with them ... so I Dupe-Vote.
Maybe I'll go spam-flag all those Smokey reports - might as well add a few declined flags to my failed audit! {sulks}
 
@AdrianMole You shouldn't sulk prematurely.. there's yet a chance a SME will come along and agree with you :)
 
I can even accept that it's not a duplicate - but it's not a good audit.
 
I don't even understand how it can be one. I thought the requirements were votes in only one direction.
 
5:20 PM
@AdrianMole I remember that question. It was discussed here
 
Discussed in what context? Fun with the ++ codez? (I think I even vaguely remember - didn't you ask something like what is i = ++i?)
 
@AdrianMole I wouldn't feel bad. We all fail a review audit every once in a while for overthinking it. Or you just autoskip...
 
@AdrianMole :D
 
@IanCampbell I don't want to skip audits; and I don't mind failing occasionally (good for the soul). But I think that one is a bad choice for an audit. Maybe I'll raise it on Meta.
 
I suspect you think it's the principle of the thing, but in the amount of time it takes to argue about the audit, you could have reviewed 10 more posts and helped those people have actually better questions.
 
5:27 PM
@AdrianMole This seems to be the same question. Thanks to @Vega I had to search.
 
Thank you @Scratte, my search box was broken, still searching ;)
 
I must admit that when you posted int a, b = a = 22, c = - - a -- - - -- -- b; I lost it, and changed the tab :D
 
I am impressed by the upvotes
 
@Scratte 42
The Review bot must be monitoring this chat and now feels guilty. :-)
 
@Vega I took the id of the Question, and pasted it into the search. It seem to be the most effective way to find messages with links to questions.
 
5:36 PM
Great idea, thank you :)
 
@AdrianMole Hmmm, this meta.se post seems to suggest something you can do about a bad audit.
 
6:02 PM
@AdrianMole At least some of those are not clearly spam, except when looking at the full context, which really means you, or at least someone, should raise a custom mod-flag, on at least the posts that are less obviously spam. The fuller context is that the user has considerable constructive contributions, but since late May has spammed in new answers, edited it into old answers, and posted it in comments. This has mostly been on SO, but is on other SE sites as well.
 
@Makyen The user has posted a dozen posts linked to the same site. Their profile shows that they work for a company which Github account makes reference to the site in the post. Then I realized that that company makes also the tool the user recommends in other posts too. Nowhere there is a disclosure
 
@Vega Have you raised a custom mod-flag with the information you found?
 
Only for the first part. For the second part I found today and posted here only one
 
Has anyone informed the user about self promotion/disclosure?
 
However, I think I wasn't explicit in my message to the mod
 
6:12 PM
@Braiam I've left a comment, but only today.
 
I posted a few here, but although the posts get closed, my chat messages don't get moved to "SOCVR Request Graveyard"...Why is that?
 
@bad_coder it's a user initiated script. The last one was about 6 hours ago.
 
@Vega It helps a lot to be as explicit and comprehensive as possible, within the the limits of a flag. If needed, you can use multiple flags, or even link to a Gist with more information.
 
Some of the posts (5?) have been already deleted as spam before today
 
@Braiam ok. So why do some post go to graveyard and mine are simply deleted?
 
6:16 PM
@bad_coder You talking about this one?
It was after Makyen ran the script
 
@bad_coder I don't see [any chat messages from you] which are requests that have been fulfilled and have not been moved to the Graveyard. I do see this message, which is a cv-pls, but it links to a H&I review task instead of a question.
 
@Makyen Thank you, I wasn't aware about the possibility to make multiple mod flags
 
@Vega However, you can only have one flag active per post, so each flag has to be on a different post. If you are spreading information over multiple flags, please be quite explicit in each flag where you do so, so moderators can find them.
 
@Makyen ok that one was probably my fault (I must have gotten the URL mixed up). Well, I'll keep track of my messages, if it happens again I'll ask with links. Thanks for your attention guys.
 
@Makyen Aah, I see. Thank you for the tip. My mod flag was approved, so I will try next time
 
6:22 PM
@bad_coder Nobody other than a diamond moderator can delete chat messages after more than 2 minutes after the message was posted. The only other person that can delete your messages is you, and that only in the first 2 minutes. ROs can only move the message to another room.
@Vega Sounds good. You might want to double-check to make sure the posts which included issues about which you were not more explicit/clear were appropriately handled (e.g. the undisclosed affiliation indicated by the GitHub account and the company making the tool being recommended; those are things not easy to find/see without knowing to look for them; BTW: good job finding those issues). If the posts have not been appropriately handled, you might want to raise another flag.
 
@Makyen As it happens, all the flags I raised (4) have now been marked as helpful. But I see your point and agree entirely. Normally, I would have put in a comment in one (or two) of the "less clearly spam" answers, mentioning (and linking) the others.
@Makyen PS: Your "Moderator Practice" is coming along very well! Keep this up and you'll have no choice but to stand as a candidate. [ Bugging you: Part 1 (of n). ]
 
@AdrianMole lol :)
 
But there's a serious point buried in that flippant comment: The obvious way you contribute to the moderation of this room is a sure sign that you are "Up for it!" The way I've seen you deal with some potentially 'problematical' visitors (here and in Charcoal), and I cannot help but be impressed by your firm, yet completely inoffensive, manner.
 
Yeap, what A.M. said
 
Thank you both.
 
6:34 PM
Ante-Meridian?
We should all visit The Tavern and collectively 'chant': "Mak for Mod! Mak for Mod!"
 
lol :)
 
You think I'm joking? Hah!
 
6:52 PM
@AdrianMole :) Thank you, truly. Being a moderator is a significant responsibility, and a significant commitment of time. I need to evaluate if those are things I want to take on, and that they will fit with my expectations for real life (at least for the near future :) ).
I believe I would do a good job, at least to the best of my ability. The responsibility isn't something I'm concerned about wrt. my ability to handle it, but it is something which I need to think about wrt. is it something that I want to take on. I'm largely driven by what I perceive as my duty and responsibility to others. If I take on the position, then I will feel a strong need to do a good job at it. I need to carefully consider what the impact is likely to be on other aspects of life.
I'm also still on the fence about associating more closely with Stack Overflow the company. They did things last year which made me feel it was a "hard no". OTOH, their statements and a reasonable amount of their actions this year have made it such that I've been progressively reconsidering my stance on that.
Overall, nominating myself for moderator is something I am considering, but have not yet made a decision.
 
@Makyen The time-commitment issue is something only you can decide. However, consider how much time you already commit to MetaSmoke and SOCVR; some/much of that could be redeployed as SO Moderator time; after all, the end goals are the same: To maintain and improve the quality of the site.
(PS I think the "expected 30 minutes per day" is something of an underestimate.)
 
If you don't want to be a mod then I will. And then I will come to you for advice asking how to solve them flags.
 
hehe
 
:)
afk
 
And consider this: You will never have to submit another or request.
 
user10957435
7:01 PM
@Makyen Well, you still have some time before they officially open up anyway.
 
What's the syntax to report a post to Smokey? Is it just !!/report <link>?
There's a third one from the user for those two just a while ago.
 
yes
 
@AdrianMole Yes, although you can have up to 5 links and a final "reason" argument. The reason, if you have one, must be in double-quotes.
@AdrianMole Personally, I'm usually lazy and let the Request Generator do it, but it only does a single post at a time.
 
user10957435
You can see all Smokey's commands here if you want to brush up. But the quick answer is yes.
 
@Makyen Hmm: Trying cunning stuff like "I'm usually lazy" won't get you off the hook. In fact, it probably strengthens the case!
 
user10957435
7:11 PM
If a user has multiple cases of spam (like almost every post), should I custom flag for a mod, or should I just flag each of the posts as spam? My thinking here is that a mod will be able to take stronger action against the account, but I'm not sure if the mod will appreciate the flag but instead wish I had used the regular spam flag instead.
 
@Dharman One each. Let's wait for the tie-break.
 
@AdrianMole :) Ahh... but I usually feel that to be a good programmer/engineer you should be lazy, but a special type of lazy, where you're willing to spend large amounts of time to fix/create something that solves a problem that you and/or other people are having, thereby (hopefully) saving large amounts of time in the long run .
 
I always say, "What's the point in being smart if you have to work hard?"
 
That a succinct way of putting it. :)
 
@Chipster I can't see that a mod would be upset if you add a custom flag to one of the posts (mentioning the others).
 
7:15 PM
@Chipster If the posts are obviously spam, and there aren't a large number of posts, I'd normally go with all but one as spam flags, with a custom mod-flag on one...ninja'd
 
user10957435
@Makyen Then mention the others in the custom. Got it. Thanks.
 
user10957435
You too, @AdrianMole. Thanks for the advice.
 
@Chipster Yeah, the hope is that the posts get deleted quickly, which if they are obviously spam is usually accomplished fastest with actual spam flags. However, if all the posts are deleted by 6 spam flags, then moderators don't see the posts or the flags at all. The custom mod-flag doesn't go away when the post is deleted, which allows the moderators to see the situation and take any appropriate actions about the user.
 
user10957435
That makes sense. So it's harder to notice repeat behavior if all of them get deleted?
 
@AdrianMole Yeah, how time spent as a result of being a moderator might interact with time both in SOCVR and Charcoal is something I need to look at more carefully. Previously, I'd figured I could ballance all responsibilities. That's probably still the case. Overall, I think it would take away some of the time spent on those responsibilities, but also make me more efficient/effective at dealing with many of the tasks involved.
@Chipster Yes. OTOH, it's easier for SmokeDetector to detect repeated spam from the same account, so there's a reasonable counter-argument to always pushing for the account to be destroyed.
 
user10957435
7:27 PM
Because the spammer could always make a new account. That makes sense, I guess.
 
@Makyen But you can raise a custom mod flag on a deleted (spam) answer. (But you'd need 10K to see it.)
 
@Chipster Yeah, there's really not much difficulty in creating accounts. It just takes a bit of time, but may require the spammer to use a different ID address.
@AdrianMole Yes, you can, but that requires you to monitor the post for being deleted and return to raise the flag. I've done it in some circumstances, but it's definitely more work. Yes, you need 10k to see the post, but, I believe you can raise a custom mod-flag on a deleted post, even when you're < 10k rep, if you use the SE API. [Note: I haven't actually tested raising such a flag, but the SE API has indicated that the flag type is available to me on sites where I have <10k.]
 
Indeed. But the sort of spam that gets community-nuked in a few minutes can be monitored and revisited quite easily from your own profile flags page.
 
user10957435
FWIW: A moderator has already handled my flag and marked it as helpful, so I think it was the right answer.
 
@Makyen Are you're saying that as a moderator you'll be able to be more efficient, so that some of the things you do now, will takes less time, if you were a moderator?
 
7:37 PM
@AdrianMole True. It is, however, more work and something you have to keep as a to-do item. :;
@Scratte Yes. If nothing else, then the time it takes to do research and get the evidence in order/organized to the point of being able to raise custom mod-flags will be significantly reduced. For example, that's a type of task I spent probably a couple hours on yesterday. [Note: not eliminated, because much of the research still has to happen, but getting it to the point of being able to present it to someone else is definitely non-trivial.]
 
Is Undo♦ still active in MetaSmoke/Charcoal activity?
 
@AdrianMole Yes, but at a much reduced level of activity, due to real life becoming busy.
 
So, I'm sure a Group of Galaxies can match a Hairy Dog.
 
@Makyen Then you only have to decide if you want to commit despite of disappointment in last years kerfuffle?
 
@AdrianMole :)
@Scratte That is certainly part of it.
 
7:48 PM
@AdrianMole There's a hairy dog? I thought we had a cute naked one only.
 
linking user profiles is not de rigeur in here, so linking Moderator profiles is probably capital. But I'm sure you can find for yourself.
 
There are three! dogs..
 
That's because SO is a very ruff site. {slinks away}
 
groan ... chuckle
 
There's a cat too.. :)
 
7:53 PM
Morning all, happy Sunday .... /o
 
@Scratte and a Tree. (Although I strongly suspect that's an Ent in disguise.)
 
@tink o/
 
HI @Makyen
 
dbc
Is there anything I should do if I stumble across a bad edit review, in which an edit was approved when it should not have been? Specifically in stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/26464811 the approved edit "Clearly conflicts with the author's intent" by removing required logic to only append a "d" to words ending in "e". One reviewer correctly rejected the edit, two others approved.
The comment in the edit also says Comment: This is the correct answer. (excuse my dupllicate post, im new to stackoverflow and didn't format my code.) -- and in fact the person editing the answer modified it into a duplicate of their own answer, for some reason.
 
@dbc You could mention it in Sam's Bad Review Room.
Sam's always looking for a good reason to ban folks from review queues.
 
dbc
8:02 PM
I'm definitely not planning to sue anybody over it so mentioning it in a "Bar Review Room" sounds... disproportionate.
OK, "Bad Review Room".
 
hehe
 
@dbc Roll the edit back. Maybe comment to the editor. If there's a pattern of either bad edits, or bad reviews raise a custom mod-flag. Dropping a link to the review in the above mentioned Bad Review Room is also a reasonable thing to do, particularly if there's a pattern of poor reviews by a user.
Annnnd you already did that. :;
 
@AdrianMole lol! I thought that was a really long necked fictional insect with it's head covered in freshly cut grass
 
 
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9:45 PM
@dbc If you're going to mod-flag an edit that was incorrectly approved or rejected, please don't roll it back first. Due to a limitation in the tools, any subsequent edit (including a rollback) prevent us from overriding the approval/rejection of the suggested edit. So, you have to make a judgment call: should a mod look at this and override the rejection, or should you just correct the problem yourself with a rollback? (cc @Makyen)
 
@CodyGray Yep. Sorry, I was insufficiently detailed in what I explained. Thanks for correcting.
 
@CodyGray from a mod point of view, would you prefer we use the 2nd option (rollback)?
 
@Makyen I think perhaps you just need access to those tools ;)
 
dbc
@CodyGray I didn't want to mod-flag the edit. While the edit was incorrect, it didn't seem malicious: the editor was a new user who didn't know the ropes. A rollback and comment should be enough for a first time (which is what I did). My problem was with the edit review which should have rejected the edit - and I wasn't really sure what to do when I encounter a bad edit review (as opposed to a bad edit which I do know how to handle).
 
@Vickel Not as a general rule. I prefer that you make a judgment call about what you think is best in each individual situation. It's like, do you call the janitor to clean up a spill, or do you just wipe it up yourself? Well, it depends on how big the spill is and what got spilled.
 
9:54 PM
ok :)
 
@dbc Ah, yeah, makes sense. Well, as I think was pointed out to you, Sam runs a Bad Stack Overflow Reviews chat room where bad/incorrect edit decisions can be submitted for moderator review.
Another option is to raise a mod flag on the post directly so we can reverse the approval and message the users at that time.
@Makyen It's an annoying limitation of the tools that everyone always forgets. I wish we could just remove the limit, but I see why, from a technical perspective, that might be difficult. So I just have to settle for reminding everyone, out of my own frustration that I cannot reverse the decisions on these edits when I see them.
@Dharman This would be an acceptable compromise to me, too, if Makyen decides not to run. Or even if he does. Do keep us posted.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Originally it was only for Triage, though. Has it been expanded now?
 
@Chipster I've never seen anything limiting it to Triage
@Scratte There are no cat moderators! There is a wombat, though.
 
@CodyGray So, there really is no glass in those glasses, huh? :) I see one, clear as day. It's black and white, taking a nap on a chair or something.
 
@Scratte Huh, so there is. How'd that vermin sneak in there?
 
10:04 PM
lol! I don't know. I wasn't even here in 2015 :D
 
Apparently I've never looked at josliber's profile picture at the larger size. With the thumbnail view, I always thought it was something else.
 
I did think it was a strange ghost at first, so I clicked it for a better look at it.
 
@CodyGray I admit, I know about the limitation. Unfortunately, the need to explain it slipped my mind. :( I do appreciate you correcting what I said. It is a frustrating limitation. Moderators should be able to revert any edit, but, yep, from a technical standpoint, that's significantly more difficult than just reverting the most recent applied suggested edit. I can definitely see how it would be much more frustrating for you than it is for us, who don't routinely experience the effects.
 
@Scratte Plot twist: it's still a strange ghost, just one that has taken cat form.
 
@CodyGray You win the best comment of the day. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/398537/…
 
10:11 PM
@CodyGray Cross-Talk?.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray There's a starred comment from March asking for a focus on Triage.
 
@CodyGray It even has a name :) Neptune :)
 
@Dharman Ah, cool. Now I can turn my attention to slogans for your mod campaign. Here's what I'm thinking right now: "Dharman for moderator! Delete all the old questions!"
 
You have my vote... hold up
 
@CodyGray Hey - less of the "Old!"
 
10:14 PM
Less of php...
 
hmm.. we do need to clean up the sql tag ;)
 
First rule of SQL tag is we don't clean up the SQL tag
 
@Chipster Does anyone really read the starboard, though?
If a star gets raised in a chat room back in March, does it make a sound?
 
There's a starboard? :)
 
@Scratte Are we gonna clean up that whole tag now?
@Makyen Much to my satisfaction, it is indeed on the starboard side :-)
 
10:17 PM
@CodyGray Give this person a medal gold badge!
 
@CodyGray Heh.. no, we're waiting for Dharman to be a moderator. But practice is always good :)
 
@Scratte Jes
Totally gets my vote
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Apparently only me :)
 
Watch out folks, I'm going F U L L M E T A again.
 
I read the starboard. I even scroll the startboard thanks to @Makyen
 
10:19 PM
Anyone else appreciating the irony of the latest blog post talking about "purple" links when Stack Overflow doesn't even use a visibly distinct color for their "visited" links, and certainly not purple?
 
user10957435
No. I didn't read the blog recently.
 
Oh, I know better than to actually read it. But I still see the titles in the Community Bulletin Yellow Ad Banner on the Right Side.
 
user10957435
Yeah I read the Community Bulletin Yellow Ad Banner once in a while too. Just not recently.
 
The [banana] split is more interesting than the net score.
 
10:28 PM
E_net4_has_run_out_of_username_ideas ;)
I'm just starting to appreciate how well a good Shiraz and high-intensity chocolate work together.
 
@AdrianMole Very unlikely.
 
Oops..
 
These are excellent times to express my likeness of downvotes.
No wait
Damn English
I don't look like a downvote. Or a bunch of them.
 
We did have a user one time who looked like a downvote. Maybe it's time to bring sexy that back.
 
@E_net4likesdownvotes I wonder.. if "likes downvotes" gets more upvotes then "likes upvotes"
 
10:32 PM
(What you meant to say is "liking" of downvotes.)
 
@Scratte Experience shows that I am slightly more likely to receive revenge serial downvotes.
@CodyGray Thank you! 👏 🙏
 
Is that... an acorn emoji?
Oh, it must be for my litter of ninja squirrels.
 
Better zoom in on that screen, friend.
 
It's a 3000x2000 resolution. I do my best.
 
I know the feel, my work laptop has a 4k resolution too.
 
10:36 PM
It's the "wash your hands" and "please, let OP accept my answer" emojis.
 
(I actually run it at 2048x1152, with DPI at 100%. Super nice. I can see everything I want to see.)
 
Except cats :D
 
user10957435
I haven't seen the "Thank You" stuff yet. I must be in the B side or something.
 
I zoomed in 300%. I can confirm that they are clearly hands. But they have red, triangular spikes being driven through them (or coming off of them). Not sure what to make of that.
@Chipster The A/B test is which icon you see, not whether or not you see it. It's just very small. And doesn't show up on Meta.
 
@Scratte perfect :)
 
user10957435
10:40 PM
Weird. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough.
 
@Chipster That's OK. No one else has noticed, either. Just keep posting those "thanks!" comments.
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@Chipster If you missed it, there's a post on meta. It only has 80 answers.. so far. Be the 81 :)
 
A mod said it. Spread the word. ;)
 
@CodyGray Thanks.
Oh, sorry, you meant on posts.
 
I feel like I have seen this website today somewhere. Was it reported as spam? stackoverflow.com/a/62489785/1839439
 
10:55 PM
@AdrianMole Anywhere. And everywhere!
 
@CodyGray Thanks.
 
That was an interesting turn of events. I am glad I asked here instead of editing the link out
 
@Dharman Disappeared faster than a cat with a smile.
 
@Dharman MS doesn't have a record of the domain.
 
I have no idea if it was previously reported, but it was just now.
 
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