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@PaulRoub Copy and paste answer pushing their control
01:57
@JohnDvorak Why we have a physics tag again?
more specifically, why's there one for lidar?
> Questions with this tag concern the simulation or implementation of real-world physics concepts in programming.
Again, why a programmer would be interested in that? I mean, I'm interested in physics, but I wouldn't browse SO to look for information about that...
It's like programming tag in SO, just the opposite
Speaking of physics...
 
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11:39
I didn't flag because not 100% sure, waiting for your advice.
Zoe
Zoe
wrong room xd
@Adriaan needs @tripleee I think ...
Zoe
Zoe
@EricAya the website lists an employee with the same pic as the answerer's profile pic. Definitely spam
@Adriaan oh absolutely concur -- it's watched already but I'll add a watch for the IP address to
one more and they are going in the blacklist
@Machavity you have FP feedback on metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/237053, want to retract?
Hey guys, I want to change the direction of the duplicate on this question stackoverflow.com/q/15788709/792066
This question alone, has more views than the target.
@Zoe Ok, thank you.
@Braiam Meh, I don't see any reason to, plus you have bias on wanting to do it
@Nick "Yeah, this was the best of the available questions for the canonical duplicate" according to Bergi.
@Braiam it is open now
Zoe
Zoe
11:48
Both appear to be a dupe of stackoverflow.com/q/3082475/6296561
"but I found the answer by Oriol superior to the others." - You missed a rather relevant part of the quote there...
@Nick If it is merged one get the best of both worlds ;)
But for the merge to happen, we need the duplicate to be in the right direction.
Zoe
Zoe
There's still one predating yours xd
also, migration can happen in either direction. The one you want just happens to give you rep.
"Yeah, this was the best of the available questions for the canonical duplicate"
I'm sure Bergi saw that one.
@Braiam My message was more on the you bringing in your own post to the room wanting to make it a duplicate target
11:51
yeah, I noticed too late the post was yours @Braiam. you can't bring posts here that you have a stake in.
See the FAQ for what stake means
@rene I'm looking for a merge.
I can't do that, without the relationship correctly set.
I'm not faulty that I'm able to make a better scoped question.
Zoe
Zoe
you mean correctly set relative to what gives you the credit and rep. Yes, I'm being cynical here, but someone has to be
@Bergi that question wouldn't be easily found with that title. If anything, this one is better scoped and has better title. — Braiam Nov 30 '16 at 13:12
I feel like you are being cynical without needing to.
Zoe
Zoe
Great, so edit the original. That alone doesn't make yours the best one that should be the dupe target for all the others
@Zoe I can't
You cannot have two questions with the same title
Come on guys, you know exactly the limitations of the site.
@Zoe That question presumes that Chrome is at fault, it's not at fault.
Zoe
Zoe
11:57
@Braiam So?
@Zoe I'm not having a discussion with you if you are going to be uncooperative
Edited
sorted
Zoe
Zoe
@Braiam okay. you know where the door is
RO's can tell me if there's a problem with this given the discussion, but.... I see no reason to change that duplicate target around
@tripleee Updated. In that same vein, you might want to update this
12:05
Also review the edit there please ^
edit? What edit? ;)
I was about to link you to the rejected edit @John ... ¬_¬
You still may
Nah, something tells me that you already saw it
12:09
thanks
@Machavity oh wow, how did I miss that? thanks
12:31
@yivi That guy has a handleSuccess problem.
13:28
... Didn't we just close a question like this today?
Hmm, we did. By the same spammer.
@E_net4theclosevoter metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/242526 looks like it
@E_net4theclosevoter that's an answer
@Adriaan fixed?
But it's closed now anyways.
There, now the answer is waffles.
13:53
ugh
one user has an issue where they lack permissions. My teammate "I'll just change the permissions for all users to fix it"
*facedesk&
(that ampersand was an asterisk before my face smushed it)
@TylerH The sad part is that I imagine so many people being able to share a similar story.
@Braiam now that's impressive
@TylerH That's the extreme one, the ultimate... oh boy
If an answerer admits that their answer doesn't pass all of the mandatory test cases, is it NAA?
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica It's the question itself asking for that kind of answers?
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I tend to not flag as NAA unless they are not possibly an answer to any question due to how many mods use that criterion for approval or not
15:19
@zero298 no attempt is only a down vote reason, not a close vote one. Besides, asking for up/down votes is prohibited in this room.
16:00
@karel Why? It seems to be well-answered and is not about programming but rather about math
It's also arguable 'too broad'. OP has not bothered in the last ten years to describe what they consider "easy" to be, in objective terms
@PaulRoub Smokey is having issues
@Machavity Quarantine is tough on everyone
16:28
@RiggsFolly spam should be flagged, not closevoted
Zoe
Zoe
!!/watch sattaking\.care
> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.
16:45
@JohnDvorak Belt and Braces: I did both :)
don't
a), it wastes your votes and b), it instructs others to closevote and not flag
17:47
weird, does anyone else see elements disappear on click on this page? support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4511036/…
18:26
@TylerH not in firefox, logged in
weird
It's uBlock Origin it seems. When I turn it off and reload, the delete-on-click stuff doesn't happen
Seems dangerous that uBlock is doing it without any instructions to do so, though
Maybe one of your lists is doing that, I also use uBlock Origin
That wouldn't make sense; uBlock should either block elements on load due to matching a list, or it should block elements when I somehow select "choose elements to block"
it shouldn't block/delete elements on left click
and when I hit the delete key, it unhides everything, but I can keep doing the process over and over it seems
Start by disabling the lists. uBlock uses the list as a cookbook to know what to do.
@Braiam it shouldn't matter what is on the list, the issue is with the addon zapping clicked elements when zap mode is not on
user10957435
18:40
What is the activity requirement on questions again? I've reviewed the FAQ and can't find a specific time given.
@TylerH I'm not sure what do you mean with zap mode. I don't have that.
@Chipster it's a bit of a sliding scale but typically if it is active within the last week you should be fine, no questions asked. If it's older then it may depend.
@Braiam If you click the uBO shield icon, the modal that pops up has several options
i.sstatic.net/MRXwM.png this one is the element zapper
You can click it and then when you click on elements on the page it deletes them
so you can see what the page looks like w/o them, or temporarily hide an annoying add or something
user10957435
@TylerH Okay. Thanks. Then I guess I should bring up that this request, while otherwise probably valid, was last active 12 months ago and doesn't fit the requirements.
it's different from the element picker icon to the right (the eye dropper icon) that lets you select elements to permanently block by adding them to a filter list
@TylerH Yeah, never used that. I use ublock origin I can't reproduce that.
18:49
@Braiam uBlock Origin is...what I use
user10957435
I personally think that it might lean itself to being closed. It isn't a great question for SO. But it is probably on edge for the activity requirement.
@TylerH In firefox?
@Braiam yes
v1.27.0
1.26.2 here
you may also be using a different browser chrome layout
@Chipster You're right; at 2 years old and last activity 1 year ago it's not within the range we typically expect even on a sliding scale.
@TylerH binned for rule 12 - no recent activity. If there's mitigating circumstances (e.g. being used to justify other bad content, etc.) please feel free to mention that additional context
19:15
@TylerH do we still need that rule, now that closing only takes three votes?
Questioning rules is up to the rulers, not the ruled! ;-)
@JohnDvorak currently we still have and use it, but if you think it's not needed, do feel free to suggest it as a topic for our next room meeting here github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/room-meeting-topics/issues
Seems I was overruled.
it was never in a meeting
We might schedule one if we have enough topics
19:26
Is my opinion, that that topic alone can span multiple topics :)
@Braiam Thanks, looks like a topic is already set -- we'll definitely discuss it at the next room meeting then.
I glanced through the existing topics but missed that that one was about the 3CV change, it seems and about 'recent activity', specifically
user10957435
I think the last room meeting was about the possible strike so other topics were postponed.
19:42
Correct. Last meeting was more of an emergency meeting because of the timing and issue involved.
It would be nice to have a real meeting once again. Not rushed, ideally, but I do realize it's not going to happen.
Sorry, we use a Vogon style of bureaucracy so things take a while to get done, if ever.
Can't tell you how many room topic we've lost after we buried them in the peat bog.
@NathanOliver But Vogon are supposedly so good at bureaucracy. that they are able to run the universe.
You forgot the "i" in "ruin"
19:57
@JohnDvorak We still need limits. This room can't handle the volume involved in just letting people dump whatever questions they want in here with a cv-pls. We just don't have the capacity of available close-votes from people who cast CVs on cv-pls requests which aren't their own.
The question is what those limits should be, in order to match request volume to our capacity to handle requests.
@Makyen are we going to have the meeting now?
Unfortunately I can't answer that question without data.
@Braiam Right now? No, that's not how we schedule room meetings.
Well, then lets reserve our arguments until the meeting :)
@Braiam Better, would be to begin discussion on the GitHub Issue, so that things that people want to bring up don't have to be looked into in just the 10 minutes available in the room meeting.
20:04
I expect if the room meetings were to be longer, there would have to first be a room meeting for that.
20:18
bureaucrats won't believe there's a worldwide shortage of paper until they get it printed out, copied thrice and stamped by four different people.
@Scratte correct. And if that doesn't work I still have my veto ...
I think the poster took the hint from the downvotes.
@JohnDvorak I didn't see your message about paper wastage until I'd done my hourly printout of chatroom activity.
21:31
@halfer I still need 2 more weeks for a complete wallpaper coverage of the second room in my flat.
user10957435
@halfer That sounds like a recipe for disaster...
@Scratte I'll print in a larger font and then start shipping boxes of it to you.
I need to get some of that continuous feed paper they used to use in the 1980s.
@halfer for matrix printers? :)
22:10
May I ask what the value of this question-only page being "merged" with an earlier page populated with answers? stackoverflow.com/q/11674312/2943403 I mean, it's not even a flagpost because with 1000 views -- no one is viewing it. I don't understand the relevance. I can't close it and can't delete it. It's just some weird dangling page.
@Scratte Yup!
@mickmackusa It was done by a mod. You could always flag it and see if it could be deleted by a mod.
I've not seen merged pages before, to be fair
@halfer We're in luck. They still sell it :) And for orders over $99, shipping is free :D
@mickmackusa When it's merged, all of the answers which it used to have are moved to the question into which it was merged. So, any merged question should have no answers.
22:38
There are some issues with chat sockets affecting Smoke Detector. If you have any issues using SD please discuss in Charcoal
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M--
Is this a valid answer stackoverflow.com/a/61820831/6461462 ? My flag for NAA got rejected.
@M-- Yes, it looks like the question was asking for a Jenkins endpoint. The answer provided one. If you think it's the wrong one or won't work for the OP's use case then you can downvote it.
@M-- That answer was rehashing poorly other answer.
That's why it should be deleted.
M--
M--
Thank you, both.
@Machavity So you know, it's the main SE WebSocket that was having problems, at least from what we were seeing. In my most recent testing a couple hours ago, it appeared that the problem was resolved (i.e. it went through 150+ tests without a failure, but I stopped it there).
Other WebSockets might also be having the problem, but I've assumed chat is on separate servers.
22:55
@Makyen We had some failures in here earlier today. Just wanted people to know there was an actual issue
@Machavity OK. Thanks. I haven't gotten through the entire transcript, yet, due to other activities needing to take precedence.
Well, it's not like MS went down or anything
@Machavity A minor detail :)
@Makyen Okay, but even if it is a well-intended concept, it seems like a poorly executed one. I mean the answer-less page is far less likely to be upvoted for its helpful-ness. Most researchers would be on that page for less than 5 seconds before jumping to the linked page. Poor Mr. Conde's page is doomed to be under-appreciated. If this is what becomes of Merged pages, I don't think I like it.
Frankly, I don't think Conde's page is adding any value to SO.
23:10
@mickmackusa Yeah, I'm not sure I'm happy with it either. I'd note that you get automatically forwarded to the dup-target if you're not a logged in user.

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